Numbers Still Matter

Guest Post by The Zman

A general assumption, even by the biology deniers, is that China will eventually surpass the West, because China is full of smart people. There’s no questioning the underlying assumption, as China always comes out at or near the top in IQ studies. This replicates in the United States, where East Asians are dominating admissions for elite preparatory schools and colleges. Pretty much everyone agrees this is mostly due to the fact that Asians are smart people, who also work hard and value education.

There’s one problem with the China supremacy claim and that is China has always been smart, but China has always been China. It has never been Renaissance Europe or even Industrial Europe. Occidental people have conquered the world and built global empires, while East Asians have struggled to control their own turf. Even now, China has a per capita GDP one fourth of Mississippi, the poorest state in the union. Those smart Chinese have a long way to go to catch the West.

China’s inability to get over the hump and become something like a Western country is an important thing to consider. To assume, as many IQ absolutists do, that their mental firepower will be enough, is to miss the forest for the trees. Clearly, there is something else to it, as China should have dominated the world a long time ago, if IQ was as determinant as some claim. It should not have taken the Industrial Revolution two centuries to sink roots in China if it was only about IQ.

This is important to consider when thinking about the demographic changes happening in America. Those East Asians pushing out the remaining whites from elite schools will, presumably, begin to take up positions in the ruling class. This was the pattern with Jews who first flooded into colleges, then it was elite colleges and then finally the institutions. When you look at the enrollments of elite schools, whites are the most under-represented group now. That will only get worse.

The question then is what sort of ruling class will we have when Asians take up positions in the American elite. More precisely, what sort of ruling class will we have when it is a Jewish and Asian ruling elite, with a passive white rump and some browns tossed in as decorations. Given the clannishness of Jews and East Asians, that is the most likely result of what we are seeing. The Antwerp diamond market offers some clues as to how this will play out over the coming years.

One thing to consider is that East Asians and Jews may thrive in occidental societies, but only because those societies provide the right framework for them. On their own, in control of their own lands, both groups have punched well below their IQ. Just as China has under-performed based on IQ, Israel is an under-performer. There are other issues for Israel, obviously, but Israel could not survive on its own without support from the West, especially the United States. No one disputes this.

Like China, Israel has had many chances to get her act together and exploit her human capital, but it has always ended in tears. Israel always ends up being a nation of oxpeckers with no big game as a host. Instead they succumb to picking at one another until they exhaust themselves. Eventually they fling open the gates to a conqueror in order to have a natural landing spot. Israel is a land of advisers and critics, perpetually haggling with one another until some outsider ends the bickering.

Of course, China has always been a land with very rigid vertical and horizontal social relationships. The Chinese tendency toward authoritarian bureaucracy was too strong for Marxism and now too strong for neo-liberalism. China today is the same place Marco Polo found seven centuries ago, just decorated with technology appropriated from the West. China is proof of the great chain of causality. Her biology and culture dictate the institutions, politics and economics.

What does this mean for America when the ruling class is dominated by Asians and Jews, with a sprinkling of whites and browns? Given that neither group is equipped to operate a modern occidental society, the choices are collapse or a slow retooling of America to reflect the biology of the new ruling class. How a naturally authoritarian people will work with a naturally subversive people is a mystery. In fact, it seems unlikely that such an arrangement could work at all.

Another possible outcome is that the decline reaches a point at which Jewish and Asian exceptionalism begin to reverse. The circumstances that presently allow for their success disappear and they begin a steep decline in terms of group success. In a world where getting into a good prep school and then an elite college is declining in value, the ability to game those systems quickly loses value. Think of a world in which no one trusts the media. Having control of the media is a liability, not an asset.

This is why fears of a ruling class dominated by people of an Oriental outlook is probably misplaced. The displacement of whites from the ruling class is just another symptom of the decline. It is a phase that will lead to greater social unrest and instability as North America slowly becomes majority-minority. A ruling class distrusted by and alien to the majority of the population is not going to have a long future, no matter how smart and ruthless they are as people. Numbers still matter.

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flash
flash

Americans need to learn the maths so when the jobs come back, we’ll be able to compete with a Chinese for our old jobs which now pay a tenth of what they used too.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

China’s economy is based on, correct me if I am wrong, consumerism. The USA is the largest customer for them if I am not mistaken. We became a consuming nation because we were free to do so. What other nation is going to lift the boot of the neck of the people to allow such consumption? With everything that is going on in Hong Kong, will the Chinese government allow free consumerism? Complicate my world and tell me how and who will take our place.

Seems to me the old fable of the Golden Goose is being tested again.

c1ue
c1ue

Strictly speaking – consumerism is what the US does.
China supplies the consumers – but they’re an export economy which the government is trying to make more of a consumer economy.
It is important to note that the US is an important customer for China, but it isn’t the only one. The US isn’t even the largest – China’s largest customer is the EU.
Total US imports from China is about 20% of China’s exports. A enormous number and important, but hardly full dependence.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer

Speaking of missing the forest for the trees.

IQ is simply a necessary but not sufficient requirement for prosperity.

So what are the additional requirements?

Free markets, property rights, limited government (see the first two items) and a culture that values and celebrates the success of others vs. the “Crabs in a tank” approach.

That is the explanation for why the West succeeded where China and all other parts of the world failed to put a man on the moon, invent AI-powered sex dolls and Labradoodles! Compare the Russian Lada vs. a fine F350….creamery butter!

The challenge is that prosperity breeds contempt in a certain percentage of folks…(the crabs in a tank problem) and you get the identity politics and empty promises of the left.

A republic madame as long as you can keep it…and unfortunately we now live in a post-constitutional republic where IQ and Free markets/Property Rights are now subservient to a government focused on wealth redistribution and whether male trannies can sue Doctors unwilling to discuss their risk of ovarian cancer!

China is a Potemkin village because of these fatal flaws….just as the USSR was always fatally weak (and still is) because while they human capital (high IQ folks) they cannot operationalize and take advantage of that potential in the ways that we used to…..

c1ue
c1ue

Nice rabble rousing, but perhaps you might consider the time gap and wealth gap underlying when each nation industrialized.
Some other important facts:
Major wars in the last 150 years – US:1 (Civil War), China: dozens or 4 depending on definition, including the Opium wars, Wars with French/Vietnamese proxies, Wars with Kashgaria (Xinjiang), Wars in Tibet, Wars with Japan, multiple Civil wars (Qing vs. rebels, Communists vs. Nationalists, etc).
Yes, the US fought in World War I and II – but it was a huge profit as no US civilians or land was ever bombed or fought over, and the US made bank selling weapons and supplies.
Then there’s the Cold war and its related embargoes.
China’s GDP being on par with the US implies a 1/4 income per person, but the reality is that prices in China are far lower for pretty much everything of daily survival value – $1 income in the US is not the same as 7 RMB income in China.

Anonymous
Anonymous

China is a extremely large country, the population is beyond understanding for most. This same statement goes for India. There are tiny pockets of communities where money flows (from western influence) and massive reaches of poverty stricken areas. Chine isnt “smart” and the IQ isnt as high as it is claimed to be through statistical evaluations. If anyone has taken even basic stats, a “random” sampling of 1000 surveyed would be more than enough to “ensure” representative information of a population. But where do you think the stats come from… the folks that are in the cities that are able to participate in the survey. This is a tiny representation of the nation as a whole. Intellect wouldnt need to reverse engineer technology and then screw it up… intellect wouldnt be stuck on the last tech that was reverse engineered and then be unable to build off of it. Being able to memorize formulas and book passages doesnt induce creativity or innovation. It is unfortunate that I sit in a graduate school class in a STEM program and I am surrounded by Asians and Indians and left shaking my head wondering how if these were the “best and brightest” of their countries… how do their countries even function.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

That is a good point. To perhaps expand on that a bit. If they are so advanced, why do they have to pirate technology from other countries including the USA? Intellectual and technical theft is a huge issue these days. If I am understanding you correctly, a person can steal this information but if they don’t have the supporting knowledge or technical know how to advance it they will hit the wall. The question then is do they have the ability to move beyond the initial theft of knowledge? I am assuming they have individuals that can move beyond the data and innovate as you point out. However, are there enough of these individuals to sustain the growth achieved by a free society where this type of thinking has personal benefit or reward?

Articles of Confederation

oldtimer, ever read Ender’s Game? They’re the buggers.

Articles of Confederation

My experiences exactly, in terms of Asian developers. They’re very hive like, even in Daily Stand Up. They sit in the same room and have this sort of caste where they all commiserate on their Story Pointing, and their alpha responds. Very strange existence to me.

I’ve also found them to require very detailed instructions to get from Point A to Point B. I suppose that can be beneficial if you don’t want to deal with arrogant, young engineers, but I’d rather just beat the shit out of the young American engineers until they realize they have much to learn.

c1ue
c1ue

Sorry, but I don’t think you understand what higher education levels mean.
It doesn’t mean every Chinese is smarter or better educated than an American. What it means is that the statistical spread of the super capable is going to be higher, on average, even above what a far larger population puts out.
It is exactly like sports. You can, in theory, have a competitive collegiate team from a 2000 person school. But it is extremely less likely that if you are basing from a 30,000 person school, all things being equal.
So while Hoosiers is an inspiring movie, that’s not how the world generally works.
As for stealing: do you really think Americans and American companies don’t steal IP as well? From each other as well as from everyone else?
That’s incredibly naive.

RogerP
RogerP

One factor of success not mentioned is that the West was, and to an extent still is a high trust society. This enable cooperation in various ventures, which leads to success.

This is a consequence of the Christian morality, which is deteriorating in the west.

Aodh Macraynall
Aodh Macraynall

“Ox-peckers” yah, I love it!

Lars
Lars

“China’s inability to get over the hump and become something like a Western country is an important thing to consider.”

Do Chinese elites even care about becoming like a Western country? Their historic goals seem to be dominance, heirarchy, order, and stasis. Technology, exploration, discovery, and innovation do not hold sway over them to the extent they do over the Aryan soul.

That said, I’ve read evidence that Chinese research into genetic engineering is significantly more advanced than here. It would not surprise me to learn that one of their objectives is to splice selected White European DNA onto their own.

Obviously jewish supremacists don’t care about becoming like a White country. Their Talmudic goal is global hegemony in a NWO in which the goyim work the fields and provide their quotidian services. A corollary goal is to destroy the White race, whether by miscegenation, environmental contamination, wealth extraction, famine, water resource control, corruption of White women and children, engineered diseases, warfare, demographic replacement, or outright violent genocide – whatever works under the circumstances at a given time. .

Sam
Sam

It took a movie for me to finally understand the Chinese. China-One Child Nation showed me the chilling hive mind think they have, no initiative or revolt even when they were being murdered. America has the rugged individualism that might save our ass yet.

Articles of Confederation

IQ merely provides you with a larger gateway through which to walk to prosperity. In no way does it signify that you can’t be prosperous without it, nor does it signify that those with it will be wise in their endeavors. It’s a construct, a metric created by a Deutsche shrink. I thought people hated shrinks on here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

I’d rather judge a person on their actions. Parable of the Talents.

Anonymous

“Occidental people have conquered the world and built global empires…”

Maybe I’m missing something here but isn’t this what we pretty much rail against in every other post at TBP – the idea of the conquering global empire? Do you *want* an “occidental” group of people conquering the world and building global empires? I don’t.

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