1775 . . . Again?

Guest Post by Eric Peters

When people desperately trying to avoid a fight are left no choice but to fight, they are often the fiercest fighters imaginable.

The reason being an explosion of righteous anger – of berserker fury – directed at the bullies who will not leave them be.

Governor “Coonman” Northam of Virginia is such a bully.

He intends to rescind the current, ancient and long-acknowledged legal right of Virginians  who aren’t criminals to possess more than single shot rifles and pistols – by criminalizing anyone who does possess them. These newly minted “criminals” will then be required to turn in their formerly legal firearms to the government or be subject to Hut! Hut! Hutting! by armed government workers sent by the Coonman to enforce his criminal acts.

This is a recipe for 1775.

Another bully – Thomas Gage, the British military governor of Massachusetts – attempted a “Coonman” in that year, which lit the fuse of what became the Revolutionary War. He sent armed government workers – Redcoats – to confiscate the weapons of the colonists – who had finally had their fill of being bullied. These long-ago AGWs eventually gunned down several colonists on the village green at Lexington.

Word of the massacre spread and the people rose in response, fighting back with whatever means available, harrying the column of armed government workers as it made its way back toward Boston, some 18 miles away.

The fury incited by that long-ago “Coonman” was subsequently described by himself:

These people show a spirit and conduct against us they never showed against the French . . . They are now spirited up by a rage and enthusiasm as great as ever people were possessed of and you must proceed in earnest or give the business up. A small body acting in one spot will not avail, you must have large armies making diversions on different sides, to divide their force. The loss we have sustained is greater than we can bear. Small armies cannot afford such losses, especially when the advantage gained tends to do little more than the gaining of a post.” 

Eight years later, those furious colonists finally succeeded in getting the bullies off their backs – permanently.

They probably never imagined that homegrown bullies even worse than “Coonman” Gage would eventually arise to torment them.

The current “Coonman” may not realize just how very tired the people are of being bullied – and how willing they are to fight, if a fight is forced upon them.

The “Coonman” feels confident. He has the full weight and force of the government and all its means at his disposal. He has legions of armed government workers available to enforce his writ.

But he hasn’t got the fury – and that is something he ought to reckon with, before it it is too late.

If this thing starts, it will not end until one or the other side is no longer capable of fighting. It will be no-quarter-given. It will be awful.

But it will be righteous.

And it may be necessary.

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Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
December 24, 2019 10:29 am

Well stated.

Frog Doctor
Frog Doctor
  Cow Doctor
December 24, 2019 9:42 pm

Agreed

Steve
Steve
December 24, 2019 10:30 am

“They” will have to back down. If this line is crossed by the proles, all other lines are in jeopardy of being crossed as well and “they” can’t risk that. Not yet at least.
This is just a probing exercise to gauge sentiment and it doesn’t look good for “them”.

DeltaLima
DeltaLima
  Steve
December 24, 2019 10:46 am

I’m not so sure. The arrogance and hubris of the left affords them a surety of the righteousness of their cause. “They” have witnessed the right back down and give ground for decades. They think the right to be weak, and rightly so, at least to an extent. If the right wants freedom it must take it. And I mean take it. Ripping it from those hands that have stolen it then cutting off the hand. The left has been, in one form or another, raping our daughters and women, destroying the spirit of our boys and men, stealing our private property, and crushing our way of life. Even if “they” back down, will you go back to the way things were? “They” will.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  DeltaLima
December 24, 2019 10:54 am

The one thing the left wants to avoid is a non-Fabian, armed scenario. Give them credit where credit is due. They have performed a fantastic job of destroying this country gradually.

Tacitus
Tacitus
  Articles of Confederation
December 25, 2019 8:54 am

Very true, but Lee had Gettysburg, Hitler had Stalingrad, even smart guys fuck up and misread the terrain, so to speak. I think this will be the case here. There will be blood. I am sure.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
  DeltaLima
December 24, 2019 6:01 pm

Stop calling them leftist and call them for what they are…BOLSHEVIKS. There is no compromise with BOLSHEVIKS. One has to stand them down.

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Thunderbird
December 24, 2019 6:26 pm

They are petty dictators and martinets. They are also puppets whose strings are being pulled to create strife and violence in a serious attempt to get martial law going.

This woman says it all beautifully, passionately and most movingly…..I would like to see this video go viral…

mark
mark
  Mygirl...maybe
December 24, 2019 7:07 pm

THAT WAS OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  mark
December 24, 2019 8:47 pm

She nailed it didn’t she….I’m doing my best to get this video out there. Her speech was the most succinct, to-the-point explanation of our Constitutional Republic, what our government should be and was designed to be and her explanation of what the 2nd Amendment is all about and then her ending about how killing Ann Frank was legal and ‘lawful’according to the laws of the Reich. That ending comment alone put the lie to the AG’s bullshit about how the law MUST be obeyed…I hope admin posts this…..

Mygirl...maybe
Mygirl...maybe
  Mygirl...maybe
December 24, 2019 9:11 pm

There’s something else that’s flying under the radar that should be of great concern to thinking people. Congress just now funded a bi-partisan bill to study gun violence with monies going to CDC and NIH to help understand and control gun violence. This is yet another back door gun control scheme that ties in Red flag laws, more background checks and taking of guns on the basis of ‘pre-crime.’ The anti-gunners will never stop, they will go after ammo, parts, manufacturers and anything else that removes access to legal firearms….
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/474740-25m-set-aside-for-gun-violence-research-in-spending-agreement-in-win-for

Avalanche
Avalanche
  Mygirl...maybe
December 25, 2019 7:06 am

Until “we” are WILLING (and able) to DISCUSS the truth and reality of not “what” they call gun violence, but of WHO is causing the gun violence, we cannot ever solve the problem!
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“Gun violence”?
Imagine if, while discussing the Holocaust, we spoke about ‘gas chamber violence,’ or when discussing Islamic mass beheadings, we talked of ‘machete violence.’ Or suppose discussions of lynchings referred to ‘rope violence.’

Such descriptions miss what is fundamental to the actions being described – the perpetrators responsible for these wicked deeds.

Let us speak, then, of “goon violence.” For to grasp the distinction between goons with moral agency on the one hand, and inanimate guns with no such thing on the other, is to come to grips with reality.
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The fake news HIDES from Americans just what is truly going on, done by whom. If we will not discuss RACE and violence, then we will not ever solve the problem! Black males make up 5-6% of this country, and yet they commit more than 59% of the violent crimes. ACTUAL, by-the-numbers, serial killers are more often black — but the news will not tell you the truth! LOOK IT UP! But not using lying Google. If “we” keep trying to solve a problem but will not accurately identify the TRUE problem, we will never succeed.

mark
mark
  Mygirl...maybe
December 24, 2019 10:42 pm

SHE DID!

I will be forwarding it with supporting commentary to my circle. It was riveting.

I’m not on social media but go direct to family and friends with worthy material, and this is defiantly worthy.

Virginia is 25 minutes from my farm (I’m in north central NC) if the Dems pull this bullshit off to any degree we are all screwed.

I love the 2nd Amendment Sanctuary tactic. We should not to wait to just counter punch with it, but go on the offensive with it.

I have one good friend in Virginia, he lives at Lake Gaston. Hopefully if this continues to heat up I will get to go with him to one of his county meetings to add support, if I can get him to go.

If the right people get aggressive on serious public ‘armed’ demonstrations, with County Sheriff support, I will attend…won’t be my first rodeo.

We need to back them down.

500 armed Oath Keepers, with ARs and AKs surrounded a Texas Police Station that was arresting open carry people in town, and that shit stopped cold turkey. I posted a video about it three times while getting into it with .22 about his slandering Oath Keepers.

Keith Smith
Keith Smith
  Mygirl...maybe
December 25, 2019 4:03 pm

I will be posting this to my facebook page and twitter as soon as I get home. I’ll help get this out there. Even though I live in WA state where open carry IS legal, they’re trying this crap here too! Peace to you and yours.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Thunderbird
January 20, 2020 10:48 am

You nailed it my friend !!!

gilberts
gilberts
  Steve
December 24, 2019 11:11 am

I don’t think they thought this would go this far. I think the East Coast liberal retard communist blue blood better-thans, like Coonman and his ilk, really believed people would just back down. I think they still think this is a very vocal, but largely empty, protest and the right will back down if they actually push this forward. And I think desperate voices in the governor’s mansion and state government are trying to convince them to stop this, but I think in their hubris, they’ll ignore them and move forward.

Anyone here ever read John Ross’ Unintended Consequences? He wrote it in the mid-90s and it was an incredible book, both in its scope and its message and its literary qualities. It was an incredible epic story of guns in modern American history and what happens when the govt oversteps its bounds and pushes the population too far. Basically, the fedgov triggers the population to begin a nation-wide assassination campaign against bureaucrats and special agents in all agencies. After a couple weeks, govt employees are resigning left and right and the patriots are racking up kills all over the place. Eventually, the fedgov has to back down amid widespread chaos and massive resignations.
It was one hell of a book.

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Jaz
Jaz
  gilberts
December 24, 2019 11:25 am

I read this great book when I was a teenager. I have been wanting to purchase it but I could not remember the title or the author; seeing the cover, I now know.

gilberts
gilberts
  Jaz
December 24, 2019 12:01 pm

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/unintended-consequences-john-ross/1101716882
I am shocked and pleased to see it on sale for $28.95. The original hard covers from the first 4 printings in the 90s were selling for $100-$250 on ebay and amazon for years. It was ridiculous. I intend to get a new copy, myself.

Jaz
Jaz
  gilberts
December 24, 2019 1:00 pm

Thank you so much for sharing it; I have been wracking my memory for the last 20 years to recall the title. It is so apropos for today’s political climate.
I read the original that my uncle had in 96; I did just download the PDF file. I hope that these later copies are ‘unchanged’ from the original.
https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/129/Media/Unintended_Consequences.pdf

Steve C.
Steve C.
  Jaz
December 24, 2019 1:48 pm

I was concerned that the pdf has about 15% fewer pages, but I checked my fifth printing hardcover copy and each page in the pdf version has about that much more on it so it’s probably OK.

I downloaded it anyway.

Thanks.

Jaz
Jaz
  Steve C.
December 24, 2019 2:21 pm

Steve C , Thank you for confirming that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jaz
December 24, 2019 7:44 pm

Buy a used 1996 printing, then you’ll know.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jaz
December 24, 2019 7:48 pm

Jaz you are awesome. Thanks. I started reading it again. I must realized I have read this many years ago and was the spark for me when i was awakened.

Jaz
Jaz
  Anonymous
December 24, 2019 9:04 pm

Anonymous, you are welcome. I am already 125 pages in reading it again too. It reminds me of Matt Bracken’s writing over at American Partisan; really riveting.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  gilberts
December 24, 2019 5:17 pm

Good luck finding a store with it in stock!

M G
M G
  gilberts
December 25, 2019 4:07 pm

I found a pdf online…mark?

mark
mark
  M G
December 25, 2019 4:31 pm

Maggie,

Oh, I see said the blind TBPer. Your e-mail this morning with the pdf & bunny guts had a typo ‘ick’ insted of ‘click’… I didn’t get it.

I usually only post vids and links, will have to dig around later.

It is a good pdf.

Steve C.
Steve C.
  gilberts
December 24, 2019 12:06 pm

I read it when it came out. 863 pages.

If Coonman and his ilk knew how much people like me enjoyed “Part Four – WAR” (starts on page 623), he’d probably wet his pants.

It’s a good book for preppers too. Lots of good tips.

Jaz
Jaz
  Steve C.
December 24, 2019 1:06 pm

Sad to say, it will probably be banned soon.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Steve C.
December 24, 2019 3:49 pm

I have a 1st print copy complete with dustcover in nearly perfect shape that I bought used on Amazon about 8 or 9 years ago. Can’t remember how much it was but it wasn’t ridiculously expensive.
I never made it through the book because of my overly prudish evangelistic mind was struggling with some of the..ahem..more graphic sex. I understood the libertarian idea behind the need to include it. I may have to try it again.

M G
M G
  Mary Christine
December 24, 2019 4:33 pm

I hear you. I did some research into the Catholic priest scandal. There were some parishes everyone knew were run by pedophiles and the boys were considered to be especially special to God for the service they performed for the priests.

Some were told that if the priest(s) were to come in their little mouths they should consider it a special sort of communion from God.

So, why aren’t those sick bastards stuck in the bottom of the sea with millstones around their necks? With Jeffrey Epstein who did not kill himself and who most likely is not even dead.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  M G
December 24, 2019 5:39 pm

I’m sure God has worse than millstones planned for them. Jesus warned them they would be better off with that option. We would like to see justice in our time but most of the time it has to wait for the perfect justice to be applied.

Still struggling with a cold fogged brain. Probably is more than a cold since I have been running a fever off and on for 3 days.

mark
mark
  Mary Christine
December 24, 2019 9:53 pm

Mary,

My wife was similar…but also had a hacking cough, went to urgent care today,

Tested for Strep and the Flu, negative on Strep, positive on the Flu.

About an hour ago she took her second Tami Flu.

Hope you feel better.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  gilberts
December 24, 2019 5:16 pm

This book is so damned expensive!

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  gilberts
December 24, 2019 9:25 pm

I downloaded the pdf link I found on TBP and read it this summer. Outstanding book with a great fictional story weaved around a lot of factual data about gun control and the unintended consequences that have occurred due to these laws and how they have been enforced.
https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/129/Media/Unintended_Consequences.pdf

Modern Throwback, from Virginia
Modern Throwback, from Virginia
  gilberts
December 25, 2019 7:25 am
WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
  gilberts
December 26, 2019 12:03 am

It IS a great book and everyone visiting here should read it if not own it.

DeltaLima
DeltaLima
December 24, 2019 10:38 am

Good men must be ready to do great, bloody violence. The cause must be won and soundly. No quarter. None.

Tacitus
Tacitus
  DeltaLima
December 25, 2019 9:06 am

Absolutely Sir! Let it be known by all who hold a stake in this upcoming fiasco, once the action starts NO QUARTER SHALL BE GIVEN and unnamed parties should understand THEY HAVE HOMES AND FAMILIES just as we mundane Helots, so unless they have gates and deep moats – think twice, or maybe find another line of work.

James
James
December 24, 2019 10:51 am

The man or woman with nothing to lose is indeed a fierce person to deal with,sigh……,plow shares into swords time it seems.

Panzerlied
Panzerlied
December 24, 2019 11:04 am

Perhaps the “coonman” has never read any of Rudyard Kipling’s works: THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON
by Rudyard Kipling

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late,
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxon began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy — willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.

Their voices were even and low.
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show
When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not suddently bred.
It will not swiftly abate.
Through the chilled years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxon began to hate.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL -AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT.

CCRider
CCRider
December 24, 2019 1:10 pm

An idea Jim Rickards had that I loved is to have a couple million of us travel to d.c. and surround the capitol wearing shouldered rifles . That’s all-just a legal and peaceful demonstration but think of the message it would send. Richmond has a capitol and I have a rifle.

mark
mark
  CCRider
December 24, 2019 1:46 pm

I would participate in that type of mass public defiance in a heartbeat.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  mark
December 24, 2019 3:37 pm

Ok. That’s 2.

CCRider

Modern Throwback, from Virginia
Modern Throwback, from Virginia
  Anonymous
December 25, 2019 7:32 am

MILITIA MARCH
Richmond, Virginia
January 20, 2020

Tacitus
Tacitus
  Modern Throwback, from Virginia
December 25, 2019 9:13 am

We are past gestures. I will not be attending due to the no doubt numerous local, state, and federal pigs penetrating the movement and working up dossiers on whomever they view as “primary threats”. The march is just another chance for the government to target you. But please, all of you delusional enough to think a march will sway a guy who kills babies for a living – have at it.

mark
mark
  Tacitus
December 25, 2019 2:29 pm

Tacitus,

Dossiers and lists have long been made and are constantly updated throgh AI, catgorrized key word e-mails & phone calls sorted, signed petitions and memberships in ‘Liberty’ groups filed away etc. etc. etc.

The March is a chance to overwhem them with masses of Americans who won’t hunker down in fear waiting for the smashed in door at 4 AM.

The March is a chance to back the Bolsheviks down.

If this is real and gains support I will be there.

Jaz
Jaz
  mark
December 25, 2019 5:07 pm

By the fact that we visit and post on TBP is enough to place us on a ‘list’ . There is no going back, burn the ships!

mark
mark
  Jaz
December 25, 2019 6:35 pm

Ha! Good one Jaz!

You, me, and Cotez will bring our harquebus muskets to Richmond!

Jaz
Jaz
  mark
December 25, 2019 8:53 pm

Certainly!

mark
mark
  mark
December 25, 2019 10:07 pm

Oops…meant ‘Cortez’

Tacitus
Tacitus
  Jaz
December 26, 2019 2:24 am

No shit. I know. But there’s a difference between posting and parading in the fucking capitol in your “2A” costume so every agency in VA and DC can gather even more shit on you. People must choose their own path. I applaud the marchers but I see it as futile.

Jaz
Jaz
  Tacitus
December 26, 2019 11:26 am

I see and at times have felt that way too. Don’t project failure onto a situation that has reached a new and unknown plateau. The feds know what we all look like, have recorded our voices, know what we buy and just about everything else. I do realize that ideally we choose our battles; sometimes the battle chooses us.

Keith Smith
Keith Smith
  mark
December 25, 2019 6:03 pm

That’s the thing, “Fear” is a powerful motivator. Your fear of losing your rights must outweigh your fear of gov’t retribution. If you fear gov’t retribution, you aren’t really free now are you?

Tacitus
Tacitus
  Keith Smith
December 26, 2019 2:27 am

Anybody (regular guy/normie/helot) who thinks they are “free” today is brain dead. I think it’s less about freedom than how much shit you are willing to eat so the State won’t cage or kill you.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Tacitus
December 26, 2019 7:40 am

You’re only as free as you live. Freedom isn’t a power or a right, it’s a way of life. Liberty has to be fought for every waking moment in the way you behave and think. Dependency is the default state of all mankind.

M G
M G
  Hardscrabble Farmer
December 26, 2019 7:57 am

That almost sounds like liberty requires work.

Most people never try anything except default.

Tacitus
Tacitus
  mark
December 26, 2019 2:20 am

I applaud the marchers but they fail to grasp we are past dialectics and parlor games, THIS IS HAPPENING, these people in Richmond will not be swayed – “PSSST”, they know lots of Virginians are displeased , they don’t care. At some point a rational person stops yelling, “Stop! Or I’ll yell stop again!” It is a noble and pointless effort. Sorry. THEY WANT THIS – the Dems may even be able to false flag it like Charlottesville. This ends one of two ways – the “people” either find their spines and resist effectively or they surrender their rights. It’s that simple. Don’t kill the messenger. I’ve been trying the “legal” socially acceptable route for 28 YEARS – yet look where we stand.

Modern Throwback, from Virginia
Modern Throwback, from Virginia
  Tacitus
December 25, 2019 4:10 pm

Optics.
This will be the first organized tactic for 2020.
This ain’t a meet-and-greet.

Primary threats?
Wake up. We.Are.All.Threats.
Operatives already know you.
Surveillance is everywhere already. Your data has already been collated and transmitted. You are tracked; computer chips in vehicles, all COMMS (cell/IP/ISP), cameras everywhere, consumer activities, income streams, personal worth/indebtedness.

And you think you’re safe behind your bedroom walls typing on a little keyboard……roflmao

mark
mark
  Modern Throwback, from Virginia
December 25, 2019 7:02 pm

YEP.

I’ll be dammed (and maybe I would be) if I will ever cower or shrink or tremble or worry about these Luciferian hell bound pagans or the spawn of their flying monkey fallen angels, currently running Virginia, finding out I’m a GASP…Armed Clinger-Believer.

My self-defense rights come from God.

You have to make a determination where you stand, and what you are willing to do and risk for that stand, because not to stand is to live like a cowed, submissive slave/serf/weenie…and you will end up an unarmed defenseless victim…

BECAUSE ONCE THEY TAKE YOUR GUNS…EVENTUALLY THEY WILL KILL YOU AND PROBABLY ALL OF YOUR FAMILY!

We need to get in their face ‘in Virginia’…in mass numbers. Otherwise the opposite will continue to happen…they will get in our faces.

Come on…what do you do with Bolshevik bullies…retreat??? How does that work out???

I’m not hiding or slinking away for a few more years of living this life that is just dew on the grass.

They can kiss my ass.

(I like poetic endings)

M G
M G
  mark
December 26, 2019 8:04 am

You tell us how Mark!
But don’t jump the shark.

mark
mark
  M G
December 26, 2019 10:47 am

Maggie,

Let’s see what organizations get behind the Richmond March both pro and con. What type of groundswell builds? Let’s see the Who, What, Where, When, Why, & How of January 20th in Richmond.

What would have happened if everyone decided not to protest in Boston, or not to dress up like Indians and toss the tea into the harbor? After all becoming a Minute Man was dangerous and then they would know who you were! Maybe we should all just stay home and bitch on the internet and wring our hands, and wait for the 4 am door pounding?

Considering what we have already seen in the County meetings there could be a massive turnout, and that could turn the tide if large, overwhelming or maybe….MASSIVE NUMBERS OF PISSED OFF AMERICAS SHOW UP?

Of course the media is ignoring the county protests to date that is expected. What if too many come to Richmond to ignore?

There are risks…a FF set up, Antifa ambushes with cops ignoring them. I think everyone it aware of that bullshit now.

Look what the TEA Party did in the 2010 election…I went to Raleigh five times and DC once with them…that election threw a massive wrench into Obamas ‘Radical Transformation’…what would have happened if the DEMs kept the House? Sure, most of the Republicans are the right wing on the same buzzard, but not 100%. And this is a single issue in a single state.

Virginia is the carney in the gun store.

I stood against organized Antifa/snowflakes in Raleigh with some Oath Keepers, and ended up on the front line with the Proud Boys at 67, and I’ll do it again at 70 in Richmond.

Piss on these spawn of hell flying monkey Bolsheviks!

Tacitus
Tacitus
  Modern Throwback, from Virginia
December 26, 2019 2:31 am

Nobody is safe. I’m well aware. But I’m not pissing my day away to indicate my ire to people who already despise me and don’t GAF what I think. There are better ways to spend ones’ energy, IMO. That said, I applaud the marchers and wish them well.

mark
mark
  Modern Throwback, from Virginia
December 25, 2019 2:20 pm

January 20th Militia March in Richmond
byu/Ifoughtallama inprogun

Modern Throwback, from Virginia
Modern Throwback, from Virginia
  mark
December 25, 2019 7:32 am

MILITIA MARCH
Richmond, Virginia
January 20, 2020

Modern Throwback, from Virginia
Modern Throwback, from Virginia
  CCRider
December 25, 2019 7:31 am

MILITIA MARCH
Richmond, Virginia
January 20, 2020

Anonymous
Anonymous
December 24, 2019 1:31 pm

As has been stated, the left has seen the right back down for a long time. The left has used violence to no consequence; it is always the right that has been arrested and indicted (Anitfa). There is no reason for the left no to be fully confident in their ability to carry out these treasonous violations of the rights of Americans. However, the left doesnt understand the essence of fury of right thinkers.
For the most part, they (right) want to be left alone and the truth is as long as life could continue with minimal hinderance the right would just “grin and bear” the consequences of the left gaining ground. Individual thinkers (as the right tends to be) have to be affected as a whole before they will act… unfortunate but true. The 2nd amendment is that one act that will have an affect on the whole and will have dire consequences down the road. The loss of the 2nd will mean the sacrifice of everything… no security in the fact that the populace can fight back if need be. Any and all securities are erased if the 2nd is lost creating that final choice of the last of any freedoms or absolute servitude. Hong Kong displays, loudly, that those who have experienced freedoms will be willing to die to avoid the chains of servitude.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Anonymous
December 24, 2019 9:28 pm

Without the 2nd Amendment, the Constitution has no meaning.

Diogenes
Diogenes
December 24, 2019 2:32 pm

WHO? is going to go door to door to collect the guns? Any “order taker” who does this, deserves to die. Don’t forget Solzhenitsyn’s quote about not fighting back.

White Fang
White Fang
  Diogenes
December 24, 2019 4:42 pm

My Mom’s cousin found a Revolution era musket hidden in a stone wall in CT. Back when the English thought they could confiscate guns. Nothing new. Keep on keepin’ on.

Tacitus
Tacitus
  Diogenes
December 25, 2019 9:16 am

Well said! “How we burned in the camps…”, they’ll put me in the ground before they put me in a camp.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Diogenes
December 25, 2019 2:29 pm

“WHO? is going to go door to door to collect the guns?”

The ‘order takers’ paid with your tax dollars (State AND Federal — it’s all fungible), who take orders from the order givers in State legislatures and Governor’s Mansions as well as those in federal employ all also paid with your tax dollars, backed by “science” and “studies” funded by your tax dollars. Remembering that many (most, in VA) of those who elected those governors and legislators are subsidized or employed directly or indirectly with your tax dollars.

Do the order takers deserve death? Or deserve to no longer be paid at your expense?
They deserve death for taking orders you keep paying them to take?

Of course, by all means, take lives …

but remember to never take the risk of not paying your taxes.

Always pay your taxes (fund your own destruction). It’s what responsible, upstanding citizens (serfs) do. You can bravely kill police officers (but not property-confiscating sheriffs or government revenuers), but don’t risk losing property and wealth or risk others thinking poorly of you for not meeting your “obligations” under law.

Shooting should be the first option, and taking steps to stop paying taxes should never be considered … ever. It’s your duty. You’d be an irresponsible freeloader if you didn’t, and you don’t want to be thought of that way. So, BLOAT and Molon Labe and kill the order takers (as if they won’t be replaced using your $$ to fund it) and all that; but always, always pay.

Always pay because the government has to live within its means and its budget, and would never spend more than they get in taxes or borrow a full 25% of what they spend. Of course, if they did, the debt wouldn’t ever matter. And NEVER, NEVER EVER think about what it means if the debt doesn’t matter (that they could borrow 100% of what they spend and never need your tax dollars) NOR what it means if the debt does matter (that your taxes fund your own inevitable destitution/destruction).

[[see:
A) debt does NOT matter = there’s no need for your taxes
B) debt DOES matter = your taxes pay people who have been destroying and will destroy you]]

So, always pay; but be ready to shoot anyone who might come for your guns (don’t worry, they won’t come while you’re asleep, or on the toilet, or, God forbid, while you’re at work {to pay those taxes}). And don’t take time off from work {and paying taxes} to go and shoot the bastards, you’ll have to do that on your ‘free-time’ because you can’t not pay your taxes.

Or, vote harder. If you vote harder, you may get a (temporary) reprieve … during which, you should keep paying your taxes.

Remember what Solzhenitsyn (never) said: “Fight back! But always keep funding those you’re fighting back against because you’d be an unethical dirtbag if you didn’t. And besides, where will the funding for the camps that we burn in later come from? No taxes, no camps. No camps, no burning later. So, finance the camps, the guards, and the system that creates them. You don’t want to be considered a ‘shirker’, do you?”

Be a responsible upstanding citizen, and shoot before, during, and after seeing the whites of their eyes, and make sure to tell people you’ll shoot to protect your guns but never shoot to protect the wealth they take in taxes (don’t want folks to think you’re some layabout, ne’er-do-well, but you DO want them to think you’re John Rambo).

Some of this is sarcasm, some isn’t; and not directed solely at Diogenes.

Stop paying taxes if you’re man enough, and until then STFU with molon labe and what you’ll do to the “order takers” because unless they come for you first out of everyone, you’ll be consistently paying for what gets done to others until they get around to you — and by the time they do get around to you (after you’ve funded the murder of, incarceration of, or theft from others) there’ll be no one left to help you (and why the f*** should they) or to notice when you either die with balls (but no sense) or wet your pants and give in.

Tacitus
Tacitus
  Anonymous
December 26, 2019 2:33 am

Amen.

deKuntier
deKuntier
December 24, 2019 2:53 pm

This Fourth Turning’s Crisis is about to enter the regeneracy phase. Which way will we go, if I were to use Aleksandr Solhenitsky’s quote: “And how we burned in the camps later. Thinking: what would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during the periods of mass arrests, as for an example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of a half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…If…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation… We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” – The Gulag Archipelago. Worth the read. Ensure you have guns and ammo off the books, and well hidden. Once you die of lead poisoning, whilst taking some of those bastards with you, your family will need to defend themselves and are better off with those guns, vs the axes, hammers, etc.

Tacitus
Tacitus
  deKuntier
December 25, 2019 9:17 am

Absolutely

Occasional Commenter
Occasional Commenter
December 24, 2019 4:09 pm

Since the RKBA is contained in both the Virginia and US constitutions, the sanctuary counties should turn the tables and declare the state government to be in rebellion. I wonder how Richmond would react to that.

mark
mark
  Occasional Commenter
December 24, 2019 8:12 pm

I have always agreed the best defense is often an offense.

Provocative thought.

ursel doran
ursel doran
December 24, 2019 4:50 pm

Astounding that the folks have not filed a recall petition, perhaps started by the county Sheriff that said he would deputize the whole county.

Just Thinking
Just Thinking
December 24, 2019 5:08 pm

The last count I saw was that 70 of the 90-some county Sheriffs’ have declared that they will not enforce any (unconstitutional) laws further limiting 2A rights.

Rendering mute the legislative intent.

And the National Guard is made up of STATE citizens. How many would literally risk their lives to disarm their neighbor?

We shall see how determined (delusional?) TPTB are.

mark
mark
  Just Thinking
December 24, 2019 8:13 pm

Luciferians are not delusional…just relentless and doomed.

Prof. Mandelbrot
Prof. Mandelbrot
December 24, 2019 5:08 pm

These leftist allow murderers that get 20 to life out of prison after 8 years just to murder again then use those murders for their narrative of gun control. They attack innocent, law abiding citizens rights to self protection, because the bad man used a gun. Their argument is null and void. They are complicit with the criminals and only fear freedom loving, law abiding patriots.

However, they have yet to feel or see just how violent these law abiding patriot citizens can be when bullied to their limit. There has been much tolerance by the law abiding, but their patience has worn thin to the point of them realizing politicians and elected leaders refuse to obey the laws and cherry pick laws they want enforced. Allowing illegals to roam free in sanctuary cities is just but one example.

The citizens will enforce all laws by force and will do so soon when they are pushed beyond their limits. January 20 VA laws will kick off their testing of this patience. Thankfully many sheriffs are on board otherwise this could get nasty quickly. I just hope the sheriffs are not shills planted as a proxy to tame the anger while allowing the left full tyranny. 2020 will be one to remember if the citizenry is truly up for protecting their rights and freedoms. I predict many other patriots from other States show up in defense to make a statement.

There should be a movement of solidarity shown by patriots marching on courthouses in every State, County and town across America to make a point on a specific day. Because marching on Washington is too costly and time consuming. Of course the media wont cover it unless there are rainbow flag narratives.

Modern Throwback, from Virginia
Modern Throwback, from Virginia
  Prof. Mandelbrot
December 25, 2019 7:34 am

MILITIA MARCH
Richmond, Virginia
January 20, 2020

Charley R
Charley R
December 24, 2019 6:25 pm

I read the following recently and, being an old man myself immediately related to it:
“A man reaches a certain age where he doesn’t want any drama. He doesn’t want to fight anyone – but if forced to, he will not fight fair. He will not quit and there is no weapons he will not use. It is best to leave him alone with his coffee, cigars and bourbon. Don’t poke the old men. They will hurt you.”

My father taught me not to fight anyone unless it was worth killing for as fighting only leads to acrimony and you have to look over your shoulder for the rest of your life. Walk away, he advised, whenever possible. But if it is a fight, enter into it with as the devil possessed, with a vengeance, and spare no one. In a fight, everything is “fair”. There are no rules and the fight doesn’t end until none of the enemy are alive. He also taught me to never run from what I thought was right. I have lived my life balancing the two ideas and have successfully managed to live in peace. So far.

There is a fight coming that we all must prepare for. Not just with firearms. We must be ready to take the fight to the enemy, the socialist democrat tyrants (or whatever name you want for them), and make sure none are left standing when we are done. Politicians and bureaucrats first. Cut off the head then tackle the writhing mess that remains. Start from 1785 and make sure that it can’t happen again. The new constitution should include one term limit for all elected offices, no pay for serving in elected government, limit of 5 years for all civil servants.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Charley R
December 24, 2019 6:40 pm

” Civil war might well have made the Guerrilla, but only the excesses of civil war could have made him the untamable and unmerciful creature that history finds him. When he first went into the war he was somehow imbued with the old-fashioned belief that soldiering meant fighting and that fighting meant killing. He had his own ideas of soldiering, however, and desired nothing so much as to remain at home and meet its despoilers upon his own premises. Not naturally cruel, and adverse to invading the territory of any other people, he could not understand the patriotism of those who invaded his own territory. ….But blood is as contagious as air. The fever of civil war has its delirium. When the Guerrilla awoke he was a giant! He took in, as it were, and at a single glance, all the immensity of the struggle. He saw that he was hunted and proscribed; that he had neither a flag nor a government; that the rights and the amenities of civilized warfare where not to be his; that a dog’s death was certain if he surrendered even in the extremist agony of battle; that the house which sheltered him had to be burnt; the father who succored him had to be butchered; the mother who prayed for him had to be insulted; the sister who carried food to him had to be imprisoned; the neighborhood which witnessed his combats had to be laid waste; the comrade shot down by his side had to be put to death as a wild beast – and he lifted up the black flag in self defense and fought as became a free man and a hero.”

http://www.rulen.com/partisan/jne1.htm

Avalanche
Avalanche
  Mary Christine
December 25, 2019 7:22 am

“desired nothing so much as to remain at home and meet its despoilers upon his own premises. Not naturally cruel, and adverse to invading the territory of any other people, he could not understand the patriotism of those who invaded his own territory. ”

And THAT is why the South lost! They just wanted to be left along; and you cannot DO that with our enemies! The LEFT — the commie/lib/Dems/paperwork Americans ARE OUR ENEMIES! Why ELSE do they want to disarm and destroy us, through immvasion both legal and illegal’ through replacement and the destruction of the living wage. “Jobs Americans won’t do”?! So, for some 200+ YEARS no one ever did construction or hotel/house cleaning or agriculture or truck driving or any of a host of things that BUILT the U.S.?! Or do they lie to you and make you think Americans won’t do those jobs FOR AMERICAN WAGES?!

Arm up, ammo, and prepare!

Gary Mathis
Gary Mathis
December 24, 2019 6:45 pm

Yes, we will fight.

mark
mark
  Gary Mathis
December 24, 2019 8:31 pm

Only some of us will Gary…but I am with you.

But those that fight…actually decide their own fate…so there is that my brother.

Tacitu
Tacitu
  mark
December 25, 2019 9:23 am

So true! Like the saying goes, you must decide to either LIVE ON YOUR KNEES OR DIE ON YOUR FEET! My brothers, I beseech you, do not turn your cheek this time! GET OFF YOUR KNEES!

Tacitus
Tacitus
  Gary Mathis
December 25, 2019 9:20 am

We goddamn sure will! Death to tyrants! Resist! Resist! Kill every Redcoat you get in your sights!

Nobody
Nobody
December 25, 2019 2:18 am

Gun owners in Va are only now talking about standing up to tyranny while Virginia has had a tyrannical communist government for decades. Only now that it affects your rights do they wish to make a stand. Some of the tyrannical acts of the communist gov I have witnessed in Virginia over decades:

Levying war on sick people – the gov denies people their god given right to grow, process, possess and trade natural plant medicines, flying helicopters over properties to unlawfully search without warrants, seizing land, vehicles, cash, guns and other property and even killing people for having natural plant medicines.

Using courts and public schools as a weapon of war – local law enforcement, prosecutors, judges teachers and school administrators conspire to target individual children for lifetime entry into the criminal ‘justice’ system – putting popular kids into the system to remove them as future political opponents, forcing kids into probation systems where they are required to get drug tested multi-times per week, have bureacrats come to their homes and tell them how to live, forcing children whoms parents have health insurance for them, into private drug rehab centers whom is partly owned by the judge whom is issuing court orders for them to attend the judge’s rehab center charging $15k per month per person paid by insurance for being forced into the drug rehab center.

Taking driver’s license of people whom have never been accused of a criminal act causing those people lose their jobs and totally financially destroying them forever -there is something like 600,000 people in Virginia whom have had their license suspended.

Law enforcement covering up crimes of football players, while charging others of the same act to protect significant revenue from football games and prestige of their sports institution.

Law enforcement targeting people whom they pull over and unlawfully search 2 or 3 times per day, every day until they drove the people nuts.

Lawyers whom work with judges and prosecutors to get a cut of drug trade in their local town.

Checkpoints with tyrants doing unlawful searches, having no warrants and no probable cause.

I would have to write a whole book to detail the communist criminal ‘justice’ system in Virginia that drains people of all their financial resources via state programs -classes, probation, drug tests, counseling etc. that literally drains people of tens of thousands of dollars over years of programs many times that will be caused by the state suspending a license without cause and without notification that then puts the person’s tag in the license plate scanner database which causes a cop to pull them over and then BOOM their whole life is turned upside down for the next ten years.

Where have all these tough guys been who claim they are protecting liberty? Now the communist Virginia gov is going to make you their next target and so you are pissed. You guys haven’t done shit for decades while your communities laws and liberties have been systematically dismantled. It seems you may fight for your own interests but what about fighting to stop the entire communist gov in Va? Are you ready to dismantle the entire communist system that has plagued primarily the poor and lower middle class people of Va? Do you even know that this is going on? Do you care? If you care and you know why haven’t you done anything about it? If they back down on the gun issue are you going to let the entire criminal ‘justice’ communist system continue as it has been for 30+ years?

You guys have been silent all this time. It really makes me wonder if you care just about your guns or if you actually care about liberty. I don’t think most have any idea how communist Virginia is. If you want to see it you need to learn about all the state probation system, it is literally total communism WAY WORSE THAN EVEN CALIFORNIA -NOT EVEN A CLOSE COMPARISON, CALIFORNIA IS A BASTION OF FREEDOM COMPARED TO VIRGINIA. THIS IS WHAT IS SO SHOCKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING. IT FEELS LIKE THE TWILIGHT ZONE. How could Virginia be so intent on liberty and have such a thriving communist criminal system in place?

It is so bad that if I were a juror the ONLY appropriate justice would be to give every commonwealrh attorney, judge, bailiff, dmv worker, and especially every person involved in all those state probation system and associated reform programs the death penalty. It is absolute tyranny and those people involved are so sick that they literally LOVE hurting and domineering over the people in those programs. It is totally insane to the core.

Is it just about your guns or is it about liberty and justice for all?

Tacitus
Tacitus
  Nobody
December 26, 2019 2:42 am

I couldn’t agree more. VA is a steaming shitpot, honestly. To me, it’s less about my guns than it is the endless assault on my rights and the final act they are about to commit thus backing me into a corner. The “just-us” system here is stunningly corrupt. Have I been a moral and physical coward in tolerating it? I would say “YES”, I have. But we all have a limit. I’m not proud of my past passivity in the face of this evil. Perhaps my sacrifice in the future will redeem me, I don’t know. Due to my doubtless demise, I doubt I’ll care much.

Tacitus
Tacitus
December 25, 2019 8:51 am

It is both righteous and necessary. Coonman better dust off his Latin skills (he’s an abortionist by trade) and start reading what’s on the fucking state flag. Fucking idiot. VA is lost but she will go down hard, maybe it will be the beginning of something bigger. Watch out July 2020 for the Battle of Virginia, it is coming! Resist Brothers! Resist!

Mark VII Ltd
Mark VII Ltd
December 25, 2019 12:49 pm

Odds are no one will “come and take them”. Much to confrontational.

More likely they’ll send you a letter, telling you that you have X time to turn in your guns to Y location. If you don’t then $$ amount of fines and penalties will be applied, along with say 24% interest compounded weekly.

If you have property, a lien will be placed on it until the guns are turned in and the fines and penalties paid.

After some period of time a felony warrant will be issued, along with by now fines that total in the hundreds of thousands. Your property will be seized. Your bank account also will be seized and you won’t be able to open a new one or cash a check. Credit card? Forgeddaboudit.

All of this has been done without a single face to face meeting. No confrontation, not even a real address on the letters…just a PO box probably in another state. And, you’ve lost all your property, your money, your retirement, and your ability function outside of barter or cash.

This is how they enforce unpopular laws in California today.

Another thing…since this has been all ‘under the radar’, how many people will even be aware that it’s happening? Where is the existential threat to fight back against? It’s easy enough to get people to rally when doors are being kicked in by the gestapo, but a mealy mouthed letter?

My take is that a the first receipt of letter(s) that starts the war – a shooting war. Not against the cops because they haven’t done anything yet…unless they’re guarding the political idiots that started this. Much like the book discussed previously, ANY ACTION REGARDING 2A provokes the revolution.

The sleeping bear is awake now and looking for food.

Shark
Shark
  Mark VII Ltd
December 27, 2019 11:55 am

They still have to prove that you own it and keep it in the state. Gee, since I gave mine to my brother, who lives out of state, it’s no longer in the jurisdiction.