Geographic Evidence that Gun Deaths are Cultural

Submitted by Stephen V.

Guest Post by BJ Campbell

I was recently pointed to a pretty amazing Geographic Information Systems (GIS) project hosted by The Oregonian, which uses CDC data and population rate data to determine the gun death rate, gun homicide rate, and gun suicide rate within the country on a county by county basis. They used data from 2004 through 2010 to have enough data to apply meaningfully to counties with sparse populations. Here’s the interactive website, where you can zoom in to any area of the country. You can go to the website itself and zoom in or around any of the screenshots in this article.We should talk about these maps. Deaths are expressed as rates per 100,000 population, and above average rates are red, while below average rates are blue.

The first map shows big swaths of red in the generally “red state” areas of the country, and most of the social media dialog I’ve tracked on these maps boils down to red-state political bashing and gun bashing. But there are very important things to be gleaned from the following two maps, which dis-aggregate the deaths by homicide and suicide.

Gun suicides account for about two thirds of gun deaths, so this map is going to look generally like the first one. No huge surprises here. But there are many regions red in the “deaths” map that flip blue in the “suicide” map, and the reason why is clear when you look at the “homicide” map, here:

Look at the differences in these last two maps.

We hear a lot of banter from the “anti-gun” media that these problems are gun problems, and they’ve concocted this “gun deaths” number in order to lump these into the same problem and gloss over the differences. But if the problem were “guns,” then the hot spots on the suicide map and the hot spots on the homicide map would coincide, and would be related to gun ownership rates. There are only a few places where they overlap. Most of the hot zones for suicide have low homicide rates, and most of the hot zones for homicide have low suicide rates. The difference is stark. Let’s zoom in.

Gun suicide is a California problem north of Sacramento. Gun homicide is a problem south of it. There’s basically a geographic boundary that runs through Reno, Sacramento, and San Francisco where suicides are a problem to the north, and homicides are a problem to the south. I hear it’s nice in San Diego, and these maps confirm it.

Washington State has generally low homicide rates and suicide rates, outside of a stretch along the Pacific coast. But anyone who’s driven through Washington State knows that the character of the land, and the people, shifts around Spokane and starts to align more with the sorts of folks you meet in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. Here gun homicides start to drop and approach zero, while suicides jump into the highest per-capita category. The exact same effects can be seen when you finish your drive eastward and land in Minnesota and the Great Lakes states:

Minneapolis has rates of both that equate to central and western Washington, and also has similar demographics. But once you get off into the rural areas to the north and east such as Michigan the gun suicide rates jump significantly and the gun homicide rates crater to zero. It’s obviously not “the guns” there either. The difference in Michigan is tremendous, look at this:

There is basically a horizontal map line at 44 degrees latitude that bisects the peninsula, north of which we have zero gun homicide and lots of gun suicide, and below which we have.. ..Bay City, Flint, Detroit, etc. It’s not the guns here.

Look at Maine and Vermont:

Gun homicide rates are generally homogeneously low across New England, but gun suicide rates spike in Maine. And gun homicide rates crater in northern Vermont and southeastern Maine, where suicide rates are high.

Check out Pittsburgh:

The counties to the east and north of Pittsburgh fit together like a puzzle piece. There’s a geographic boundary, right down the Allegheny river where the problem flips in Parker PA. Other rivers mark similar boundaries. It’s uncanny. Maryland, DC, and Virginia:

Gun homicides in DC and Baltimore are high, suicides are low. Drive west and it flips. Drive south and it flips too, at least until you get to Richmond, after which time it flips back. The stretch from Richmond to Norfolk and Virginia Beach is high homicide, low suicide.

West Virginia is kind of a mess.

Look at the south overall:

This pattern we see of hot red zones in suicide flipping to blue zones for homicide, and visa versa, happens all across the south. The Mississippi Valley is a great example — very hot on homicide all through the stretch, but only a few hot pockets for suicide. Shreveport sorta sucks because Shreveport, but your major metro areas such as Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta have the now familiar inversion — high homicide low suicide, surrounded by areas with the opposite trend. Central and South Florida is another example of this near puzzle piece behavior in the mapping:

How Do We Explain Homicide?

How on earth is any of this possible? It certainly doesn’t fit the “it’s the guns” narrative. If it were “the guns,” then these hot spots would mostly overlap. There are a few overlaps (sorry Shreveport, sorry Coal Country) but most of the country exhibits the exact opposite behavior than we would expect from the “it’s the guns” hypothesis.

Let’s dig a bit. We pointed out over a year ago in our “solutions” article that the main problem with homicide, demographically speaking, was within the black community, and the rate numbers for this are outrageous:

image taken from the prior article

Rates in the maps above are red/blue, rates in this bar chart are yellow. Black male firearm homicide victimization rates are 35 times that of white women. They’re the ones getting shot. How does that match our maps above? Here’s a rust belt comparison for homicide:

The second image here is from the Racial Dot Map, from the Cooper Center at the University of Virginia. It is also interactive, and allows you to zoom around. Green dots in the second map are black folks. This is relatively self explanatory, and fits with the overall demographic rates expressed in the bar chart above. Gun homicide in the United States is largely a poor black problem. Characterizing it as an urban problem would not be correct, however, and you can see why in Mississippi:

A lot of green east of the Mississippi River, not a lot of big cities. (This is easier to see at the website itself, go try it) This is not an urban black problem, it’s a poor black problem.

At this point, we’re inclined towards a simple explanation. Poor black folks have a gun homicide problem, while poor white folks have a gun suicide problem. And I think that’s generally accurate, but I think we can drill further on that.

How Do We Explain Suicide?

The gun suicide hot zone begins in the west half of Virginia, stretches through Appalachia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and then makes a bit of a downward turn into Texas. Like an arc. There are plenty of poor white folks outside of Savannah GA, Tallahassee FL, much of South Carolina, and in other pockets of the deep south that are poorly populated and have below average suicide rates. But the states of Kentucky and Tennessee are basically a wall of red in the suicide map outside a couple of metro areas. As a southerner myself, I’m reminded that there are really two kinds of “The South,” the Appalachian South, and the Deep South, which have different cultural character because of who settled them.

Now look at Colin Woodard’s work on “The 11 Nations of America” The correlation with his map is uncanny:

The break between systemic firearm suicide and sporadic firearm suicide within the south is almost directly foretold by the boundaries between Greater Appalachia and the Deep South. The line where it begins in Virginia and North Carolina is right at the boundary between Greater Appalachia and the Tidewater. Let’s look bigger picture:

The eastern boundary of firearm suicide down the central spine of the country follows almost directly the boundaries of “The Far West” in Woodward’s map. What was he on about, when he cooked up this map?

We spoke about it once before, in our HWFO plan to divide the country up into Football Conferences and let us resolve our governmental disagreements on the grid iron:

Abolish the Federal Government and Realign the Nation Based on Football
This is compelling, I swear.
medium.com

I might hastily and sloppily summarize his thesis thusly. Different regions of the country abide by vastly different value structures, purely because of who landed where on boats, and from which regions those boats sailed, for whatever reasons. Each landing zone carried with it a specific bundle of genes and indoctrinations that spread westward as those colonies did what colonies do, that being colonizing, carrying those genes and indoctrinations with it. And he thinks you can identify where the regions exist today, by running voting patterns through a Geographic Information System (GIS) software package, which would then spit out the map above.

Put even more hastily and sloppily, gun homicide and gun suicide are behaviors, and behaviors are functions of culture. More recently, Mr. Woodward graced Medium with a look specifically at the DNA components of this map. Literal genetic differences:

From Han, E. et al. Clustering of 770,000 genomes reveals post-colonial population structure of North america. Nature Communications 8 (2017)

He goes into detail here:

And that is an aspect of the firearm deaths debate very few people have touched, or are willing to touch. Are rural whites in Kentucky more genetically predisposed to suicide than rural whites in South Carolina?

Studies in the academic communities do seem to indicate a link between genes and suicide. How explanatory that genetic link is for firearm suicide rates is, as far as I’m aware, totally unstudied. I categorically refuse to speculate, because the implications of that sort of thing would be vast, and could be seriously misused by political actors with questionable intent.

What I can say, from grinding on these maps for several days, is that “gun deaths” as defined are a deeply cultural problem, and only slightly (if at all) related to gun availability. Not just for homicide, but for suicide as well. Further, the cultural and genetic makeup of our country is so different than other countries, that comparisons between them and us are simply not viable.

Most importantly, in a country where firearms are never going to be magically evaporated, with a guns per capita rate far beyond the saturation point of easy availability, we must seek cultural solutions to cultural problems, and medical solutions to genetic ones.

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flash
flash
January 12, 2020 9:09 am

I’ll sum it up in one sentence. Africans cannot be civilized.
Plan accordingly.

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TN Patriot
TN Patriot
January 12, 2020 10:01 am

Let’s see a map of # of people murdered by zip code and compare it with a map of ethnicity by zip code. I believe you will see a very distinct pattern.

flash
flash
  TN Patriot
January 12, 2020 10:03 am

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John Galt
John Galt
January 12, 2020 10:56 am

What if the narrative was suicides were born of politicians lying. Can we ban politicians? Make them register? When they lie do they get a fine and prison sentence. If they use bigger lies do they get more time? Do they have to register before they speak? Do they need a license? If someone hears their words and commits suicide are they held liable?

Seems like they should be held accountable for using words because word suicide is on the rise. Since they blame guns for everything and call it gun death. We can now call it word suicide, politicide.

BB
BB
  John Galt
January 12, 2020 11:47 am

Only problem is if you say ….gun violence is a black urban problem it hate speech.Just like intelligence.Blacks are far behind other groups
On IQ scores . If you say the obvious it’s hate speech. Whites ,hell other blacks can’t tell the truth. All the liberals want is more money.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219
January 12, 2020 12:02 pm

13% of US population commits 51% of homicides. We don’t have a gun problem, we have a Negro problem.

None Ya Biz
None Ya Biz
  gatsby1219
January 12, 2020 2:22 pm

Actually, approximately 6.5% of the negro population commits 49% of the murders in the united States. Having said this, it does not account for the percentage of negro males under 12 years of age. So the actual percentage of negro males committing the 49% of murders is smaller than 6.5%. I’m guessing about 4.5% which should be shocking that this low amount of people perform that many murders. However, 4.5% of 320 million comes up to 14,400,000 negro males. That is one huge army!

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  None Ya Biz
January 12, 2020 4:45 pm

Yes, the females may commit a few homicides, but one might as well just count the males in the stats.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
January 12, 2020 12:06 pm

I’m shocked that the “suicide” numbers are so low for Washington D.C., especially given the continuing presence of the Clinton Crime Family and associates, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, etc.

Suicide is not a problem with an easy to define root cause. It is a very individual choice that comes from many factors that build up over time, with a singular focus – the perceived inability to extract oneself from that situation in any other way than death. One could likely pin down dozens of economic, social, medical, “intoxicating,” and other causes in all of these more rural areas that could likely prompt a sense of hopelessness, but it would all be speculation, because one cannot interview the dead to accurately document the reasons (if these folks even truly could define the issues).

Murder on the other hand simply requires one to give so little of a shit about the life of anyone else, that one is willing to commit the ultimate selfish act against another. That indeed has some real cultural roots.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 12, 2020 1:08 pm

Wow what a non surprise , murder rates are the highest in areas where the majority of the population are black ! Suicide rates are in the area where the majority of the population are white struggling middle class or former middle class who have been economically tossed under the nations economic bus . White males commit suicide at a rate so high that if the percentages were any other group , black , female , Hispanic etc … mainstream media especially CNN & MSNBC would have their panties in a wade nightly ! Hell they may not even lead with Trump farting at a golf outing over all the other demographics !

wdg
wdg
  Anonymous
January 12, 2020 1:47 pm

If the US wages a war of genocide against Whites using the subversive MSM and Hollywood, offshoring of good paying manufacturing jobs, dispossession by minorities and immigrants in communities and schools, targeted discrimination in terms of taxes, jobs, housing and entrance to university programs…then it is no surprise that the suicide rate is highest among poorer Whites. There may be a cultural component but the main factor is the total War on Whites all funded by the wealth created dominantly by Whites. Put another way, we are being forced to fund our demise. The question we need to ask what kind of government would wage a war against the very people that built America and Christian Western Civilization; people who they claim to represent? Is this really representative government or a treasonous Occupation Government? If the latter, who controls this Occupation Government?

TC
TC
January 12, 2020 1:13 pm

I don’t think it’s a *poor* black person problem as the crime rate in the wealthiest black communities are still higher than the crime rate in the poorest white communities.

Frank
Frank
January 12, 2020 1:47 pm

A newspaper article, around the late 80’s – early 90’s, showed some historical data of homicides.
One that stood out was London in the 1290’s, with a homicide rate of 129 per 100,000.
Took the US a while to catch up to that one.

BSHJ
BSHJ
January 12, 2020 1:56 pm

The numbers driving the colors on the maps are BS and/or terribly extrapolated to the point of being nonsensical. Check most any of the rural counties (in any state) and the numbers just do not concur with historical crime statistics for the same or even longer time periods. As a result, there are a huge swathes of red/deep red when in realty, there have been few if any ‘gun deaths’ at all in those areas.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  BSHJ
January 12, 2020 4:54 pm

Not challenging you with data of my own, but the charts do separate homicides from suicides, not just lump all “gun deaths” together (as the liberals love to do). Additionally, when one gets to a rural area, if there are only 10,000 people, 1 suicide will make a greater statistical impact than 1 in an area of 1,000,000. The numbers are not total numbers, but per capita. Also if you notice, the scales on the two charts are NOT the same, so blue and red shift at different numbers per capita, depending on suicide or homicide. I suspect that these numbers/colors are not far off. Additionally, larger rural counties bordering urban counties, may see concentrations of incidents closer to the edge of the urban county, but when the stat is calculated, it is for the entire county and doesn’t make such distinctions.

“There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.” – Benjamin Disraeli (also attributed to others).

BSHJ
BSHJ
  MrLiberty
January 12, 2020 9:03 pm

I’ll just use my county as an example: There was ONE gun death between 2004 and 2010 yet the county is DARK RED on ALL the maps (and there is < 3% non-white in the county population). These calculations show this county having a greater problem with gun-death than any major metro area……thanks to ONE gun death in six years. I still say BS, regardless of the statistical shenanigans (but thanks for the thoughtful reply)

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
January 12, 2020 3:26 pm

Confirms what I’ve always believed. Suicide is suicide if they don’t have guns they’ll find another way. Our Gun Homicide problem is a Dindu problem that started with the Dims and Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society” destroying the Black Family in America.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Cow Doctor
January 12, 2020 3:38 pm

Our Gun Homicide problem is a Dindu problem that started with [Jewish slave traders selling black African slaves in the Americas].

FIFY

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Anonymous
January 12, 2020 4:07 pm

You’re one of the idiots that fuel the Liberal Progressive lie that all conservatives are racist anti-semites.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Cow Doctor
January 12, 2020 4:16 pm

You’re one of the idiots that never lets reality seep into your skull.
https://originalpeople.org/jews-slave-trade/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-culpable-were-dutch-jews-in-the-slave-trade/

Now go scream ‘racist’ and ‘anti-semite’ at the Rabbi. That should be pretty funny, you ignorant, brainless jackass.

Most conservatives appear to be quite content as slaves, btw.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Anonymous
January 12, 2020 4:45 pm

Lighten up Francis…Nurse Ratchet has your meds waiting for you. Hasta, I’m done feeding the Troll, you can go crawl back under your bridge

Rabbi Herschel Liebowitz-Bergblatstein
Rabbi Herschel Liebowitz-Bergblatstein
  Cow Doctor
January 12, 2020 7:42 pm

A shekel for the good goy,

flash
flash
  Cow Doctor
January 12, 2020 3:51 pm

ha ha ha … Lyndon destroyed the black family otherwise black crime stats would be on par with whites , who’ve never had their families destroyed by no fault divorce and incessant male bashing by femtards, academics, media, and the US court system.

Got anymore virtue signal tropes you care to bandy about cucked cow?

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  flash
January 12, 2020 4:09 pm

You’re one of the idiots that fuel the Liberal Progressive lie that all conservatives are racist

flash
flash
  Cow Doctor
January 12, 2020 5:53 pm

ha ha ha conservative aren’t racist …just axe one of the useless idiots… they all have colored friend that they met at a Trump rally that has the hat and MAGAs too.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  flash
January 12, 2020 4:57 pm

Go back just to the 1930s-1950s, and black crime stats are NOTHING like they have been since LBJ.

flash
flash
  MrLiberty
January 12, 2020 5:56 pm

Bullshit. The black crime was there. You just weren’t aware, because you weren’t there and no one local was keeping a record .

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  flash
January 12, 2020 8:48 pm

The implication being that YOU were there? Not saying no crime, just saying things have been far worse since the systematic destruction of the black family through welfare programs, the war on drugs, and other government actions.

flash
flash
January 12, 2020 5:46 pm

ha ha ha …in muh melting pot, all cultures are the same.

“Authorities say 12 people were shot, five of them fatally, in eight separate weekend shootings in Baltimore.”

https://apnews.com/0e30b702f5c7404592cadb00cb78ce9f

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
January 12, 2020 10:10 pm

Mr. BJ Campell is full of shit when he correlates the Southern culture and genes with a high rate of suicides. If one looks at the places that have high rates of suicides, he will observe that these places have been hollowed out by the de-industrialization that has occurred over the last 50 years. When people have few well paying 8 hours a day, 5 days per week jobs, then they’re going to have a low standard of living and a high degree of hopelessness.