The Tractor Backlash

Guest Post by Eric Peters

John Deere, like Ford and GM and all the rest, is forced by the government to build tractors as complicated as new cars – and just as impossible for the average owner to service.

But people still have the choice not to buy them.

Many are beginning to exercise this choice.

The Minnesota Star Tribune reports that a growing number of farmers have had it with government-mandated tractors that get uppity when their owner try to fix them rather than pay a Deere dealer to fix them. Or they just brick themselves.

Yes, really.

John Deere made the astounding claim about two years ago that the people who buy its new tractors are really just licensees. You possess the tractor and are allowed to use it, but Deere owns the software that runs the tractor  . . . without which it doesn’t run.

Deere controls and can “update” the software at its whim, if you abide by its rules – which include you not attempting to service the thing in other than Deere-approved ways  . . . the only Deere-approved way being via an “authorized” Deere dealer.

Yes, really.

If you try to fix it yourself, the tractor knows – and soon (via Internet connectedness) so does Deere. Which sends the “update” to brick the tractor.

The StarTribune article reports that farmers are giving up on these new, non-serviceable (by them) tractors in favor of the old – which can be serviced by them – almost indefinitely.

Much less expensively – far more easily. Without any “connectedness.”

They are buying vintage tractors – some made more than 40 years ago – which can be fixed in the field with crescent wrenches, sockets and ball peen hammers rather than scan tools and WiFi.

And which only “brick” if you run out of diesel.

That’s the beauty of the pre-computer stuff. It never needs an “update” and you “diagnose” it by checking for spark, ignition and fuel. There are no codes to read. Just the occasional leak to fix or worn component to replace. Which doesn’t require a trip to the dealer because the manufacturer doesn’t claim it owns the codes and hasn’t got a proprietary lock on the tools – and won’t allow you to service the thing yourself, even if you had them.

You own the thing. Or at least, you have full control over the thing (no one really owns anything these days as we’re all forced to pay rent-in-perpetuity – property taxes – on just about everything).

The Tribune article notes that while a new Deere tractor – the big ones used on large farms – sells for $100,000 and more, a functionally similar, functionally superior older model can be picked up for half that or less. These haven’t got plastic on the seats, of course – and don’t come with a warranty. But it’s what happens when the warranty runs out that is steering farmers away from new Deere tractors.

“These things, they’e basically bulletproof,” Greg Peterson of the farm equipment data company Machinery told the StarTribune – referring to the pre-computer models that ran like a Deere . . . without running back to the Deere dealer.

Or tattling on you to the dealer.

“You can put 15,000 hours on it and if something breaks you can just replace it.”

Yourself.

I myself have an ancient Mitsubishi tractor. It was made in 1979 and so was made without anything electronic except for the sealed beam headlights and the 12V starter battery that rotates its mechanically injected diesel engine. A nuclear air burst – and electromagnetic pulse – will not stop this tractor.

And neither can Mitsubishi.

The dealer doesn’t have any idea where my tractor is, much less what I’m up to under its hood – and couldn’t do anything about it anyhow, the tractor not being connected to the Hive Mind.

Anything that breaks can be easily fixed – often with whatever’s handy. You can make it work – with a welder, some scrap metal and a little know-how.

Nothing is software dependent. Which is why it’s independent.

This tractor – like the older models ones being snatched up by frustrated farmers – is still running more than 40 years after it was built.

It will probably still be running 40 years hence. 100 years  hence isn’t inconceivable. If you know farm equipment, you know it’s common to find tractors from the ’40s and ’50s still in use out in the fields, today.

How long will a new Deere sail fawn – er, tractor – run? Odds are not nearly as long. Not because of its mechanicals but because of its electronics. Because of critical electronic components that can’t be fabricated at home or swapped from a parts pile at the junkyard.

And because junkyard parts sometimes no longer just bolt in place – even if they physically fit.

In many modern computer-controlled vehicles – tractors as well as cars – key components are specific to that particular vehicle and must be “coded” to work with it by the dealer. Believe it or not, you can’t even replace the battery or a headlight in some new cars (and probably also Deere tractors) without plugging the vehicle into a dealership computer.

Farmers – generally no-nonsense people who need their tractors to work, right now – not next week, whenever the deal can get to it – have had enough of this nonsense and are doing something about it  . . . by not buying into the nonsense.

Their example illuminates the way forward  . . . when it comes to cars.

It is probably impossible to get the government to stop mandating this and requiring that of new cars. And the car companies (like Deere) have cynically decided it’s easier – and more profitable – to go along to get along. Worse than that, actually. They have decided to go farther. The government isn’t mandating sealed hoods, “proprietary” software and diagnostic rigamarole; the corporations are.

Like the farmers, we can say no them much more easily than we can to the government. Just stop buying the new stuff. Buy – and repair – the older stuff. Keep your money in your pockets – and the corporation’s noses out of your business.

It’s high time.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
January 14, 2020 2:50 pm

Good article.
Tractor graveyard / junkyard owners sitting on older stock
might revive market pricing according to supply and demand.
Until the Feds levy fines or extra fees for any and all I.C. engine beasts
manufactured before the modern rules and regs gained prominence.
Stuff like ECMs, cleaner air catalytic converters, and software laden.

A good guide idea, for E.P. to write:
Dates of cutoff, for older vehicles still available,
that skirt the modern ones with IT and on board computers, tracking, and control.

Funny, how older, frugal Boomers prefer older models of contraptions,
instead of the latest, greatest conveniences of the A.I. infested devices.
They tend to be old school.
Well, because Old’s Cool. More reliable. Less intrusive. Simpler to fix,
if it even breaks.
They don’t make stuff like they used to. At a fair price. That lasts.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Anonymous
January 14, 2020 5:22 pm

An older man near me has a treasure trove of old tractors. If you tell him your make and model, he can tell you if he has it, where it is and whether he has already sold the part you need. No computers, just a tremendous memory. He also knows which parts can fit on other tractors.

When he dies, I’ll be his heirs sell all of it as scrap and then sell the highway frontage property.

splurge
splurge
  TN Patriot
January 15, 2020 12:37 pm

Buy that scrap !

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  splurge
January 15, 2020 1:45 pm

In 1971, I worked as general labor for a Ford dealer who opened his business in 1927. One of my first tasks was to clean out all of the old junk he had accumulated over the years. I look back and cry about taking 2 dump truck loads of old manuals, sales brochures, posters and parts to the dump. It was junk to him then, but now would be gold.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 14, 2020 4:10 pm

I love my 1969 open cab Massey diesel, pump engages by pushing in a rod and disengages when you pull the rod toward you. Start easy, works all day long

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
January 14, 2020 4:13 pm

No doubt Sanders, Warren, Biden, or similar, will propose a “cash for clunkers” program to get all these old, polluting tractors off the dirt in the near future. Nothing says “corporate profits” like an activist government that FORCES business your way. Gotta love economic fascism.

the experienced
the experienced
January 14, 2020 4:32 pm

Yep, 7 years of working as a John Deere tech, and I learned to stay away from the electronics.

When I got my electrical engineering degree back in 1990, I thought now we can do anything with modern computers.
But today I am driving a 2006 Ford with an all mechanical diesel engine and a manual transmission. After this one is started, I can pull the key and she stays running.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
January 14, 2020 5:19 pm

When I was operating tractors, we depended on baling wire to fix most of the failures we had in the field. Of course, bales of hay are no longer bound by wire, but with twine.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  TN Patriot
January 14, 2020 6:12 pm

You can fix damn near anything with baling/fence wire, cable ties, and/or duct tape. Toss in a can of WD40, and you are set to go. Of course, a small portable welder comes in real handy in the Oz bush, combined with a Honda gennie.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
January 14, 2020 5:34 pm

Excellent article yet again Eric, thank you. It occurs to me that there might be an opening for an enterprising young blood to set up a manufacturing company to build 1970s type vehicles, tractors etc just like the Indians do with their ex-British ‘Morris Oxford’ taxis from the late 1950s, they call it the Ambassador and it works.

I have always favoured the diesel engine because it is simpler than gasoline, built much stronger, has a much longer active life and repairs are cheap and easy when rarely needed. When Ford brought out the diesel Sierra in early 1980 I bought one straight away and never looked back.

Tony Seba says the day of personalised transport is due to end soon anyway because transport on demand, Uber-style is the way to go. After all, now I’m retired to travel only some 4k miles a year and the car spends 95% of the time parked and depreciating. Then there is insurance and tax plus fuel which costs me £900 pa which is 22 pence a mile general costs alone.

Tony Seba- Clean Disruption

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Austrian Peter
January 14, 2020 6:21 pm

Peter – the costs would be astronomical to set up such a plant. And it seems only tech type biz can get any funding these days. Plus, getting decent engines could be a challenge. Big Diesel engine manufacturers are becoming harder to deal with, to the point that KW now makes its own engines. Cummins and Cat are the players, but each are struggling I believe. To source engines would likely mean getting Chinese or Indian brands.

There are some excellent small tractors being made. The Kubotas/Kyotis are very good. Not American made, of course. I have a Kubota for the last 4 years and it seems bullet proof. The 4 in 1 bucket is a marvel that I would struggle to live without now that I have learned how to use it reasonable well. I think India makes or might make an easy to repair tractor – Tata – but not sure if they are available in the US.

BTW – cannot agree with the diesels are cheap to repair. They can be quite expensive to repair, and are getting more so as old style diesel mechanics are disappearing.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  Llpoh
January 14, 2020 7:54 pm

Good points, Llpoh, thank you and of course you are quite correct. I wasn’t thinking of a large scale operation but more like our Morgan Motor Co. here in UK. It is a one-off, (more a cult) having survived since 1909 but now having recently sold out:
https://www.morgan-motor.com/
I am sure Mr Son at Softbank might be encouraged to invest! :-))))

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Llpoh
January 15, 2020 1:51 pm

OEM captive parts drive up the cost tremendously. I started in the Detroit Diesel business and will fit parts were readily available at a fraction of the cost of our OEM parts. The competition could rebuild a 6-cyl engine for less than we would spend on parts to rebuild the same engine.

I have a 25 y-o Kubota lawn tractor and shudder when I have to buy parts.

John Galt
John Galt
  Llpoh
January 15, 2020 7:33 pm

It is illegal to sell or buy Tata in the USA. Look it up as many things that work in simplistic form have been banned due to saaaaafety laws or regulations….all about protecting their corp fascist overlords. I mean their campaign contributions.

I have destroyed the engine of the world. Remember…..i had my reasons ……

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Austrian Peter
January 14, 2020 11:59 pm

But would “they” even let you? Regulations aren’t about keeping us safe from them, but them safe from you. I would expect that the import regulations would come down hard if a foreigner tried as well.

Dan
Dan
  Austrian Peter
January 15, 2020 7:10 am

This is being done by several folks. The 2 big problems are the engineering and the startup costs (and getting enough sales to drive the initially high price down quickly enough… basic economics stuff).

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Austrian Peter
January 15, 2020 1:47 pm

The environmental rules would mandate that you use electronic controlled engines, so simplicity goes out of the window

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  TN Patriot
January 15, 2020 3:42 pm

Not in UK TNP, in fact all cars over 40 years old are exempt from road tax.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Austrian Peter
January 15, 2020 3:50 pm

I was referring to : “there might be an opening for an enterprising young blood to set up a manufacturing company to build 1970s type vehicles, tractors etc”. Anything that is newly manufactured, even if it is based on an old design, must meet current environmental and safety requirements. This also holds true for machinery imported into the US.

The government will do whatever it takes to keep people from getting new equipment that is functional and meets their needs, unless it meets their very strict requirements.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  TN Patriot
January 15, 2020 4:41 pm

Oh, OK, I see what you mean. Well in UK we do have a thriving ‘reproduction’ type business for cars at least, I don’t think we suffer the same regs as you in USA.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Austrian Peter
January 15, 2020 7:47 pm

About 7 years ago, the company I was working for had to replace a 1995 Cummins engine in one of our machines. Cummins could not sell a 1995 version and we were required to buy one built to ’02 EPA standards. Our engine did not even have a trade-in value as it was “old emissions” technology.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  TN Patriot
January 15, 2020 8:23 pm

Wow, I had no idea that you were so restricted. I know our UK cars for eg have tests each year ( which assesses which tax bracket) but we do have lots of old cars on the road and I don’t think we have restrictions on their sales.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Austrian Peter
January 15, 2020 8:27 pm

Peter – You need to go to the RIP Meghan thread and add some comments regarding the royal family. Lots of discussion on what is going on with the split and you could add a little local flavor.

BTW – I was talking about a piece of industrial equipment, not even an automobile which is much stricter on emissions.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  TN Patriot
January 16, 2020 1:57 am

Thanks for the heads up TNP, I missed the Megan one, lots of Brits don’t ‘do’ the Royals, but I will do so since you ask.

I am amazed that your regs go so far, I always thought that EU was a mad regulator.

John Galt
John Galt
  Austrian Peter
January 15, 2020 7:31 pm

New forced govt mandates and saaaaaafety requirement would not allow anything that resembles an older vehicle of any sort. The govt goons made sure of this.

Austrian Peter
Austrian Peter
  John Galt
January 15, 2020 8:26 pm

There would be a riot over here if they tried this, there are so many clubs etc running vintage and classic cars.

Two if by sea. Three,if from within thee
Two if by sea. Three,if from within thee
January 14, 2020 7:12 pm

The corporate tractor is just another way to get the independent farmer off his land.

tsquared
tsquared
January 14, 2020 7:37 pm

I kept the 1979 Massey Ferguson 2675 back in 94 when I converted the hay farm into pine trees. It was a $30k tractor back when dad bought it and it was worth $3-5K in the mid 90’s. It got about 10 hours a year mowing fence rows and planting deer plots but the maintenance was kept up on it. I sold it in 2016 for $16K to a young farmer who wanted “something he could maintain and work on”.

He had a 3 year old JD tractor that was bricked. He later bought some software from a Russian company that got his JD running again.

Frank
Frank
January 14, 2020 7:48 pm

Read about a guy, around the 1980-1990 time frame, who took a small pickup engine and two manual transmissions hooked together to get a really low gear, and made his own tractor.
Wonder if TPTB will try to outlaw that type of independence.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Frank
January 14, 2020 8:44 pm

They will do it via safety laws if no other way. IE if you kill someone on such a contraption you go to jail forever etc. Some Oz states have put in onerous industrial manslaughter laws that will have horrifying effects on farmers.

John Galt
John Galt
  Llpoh
January 15, 2020 7:36 pm

In every state you can drive without a license on your own property any vehicle that is not registered. You can build your own as well. However, some sneaky new epa regulations may have sneaked in since i last checked….

Crawfisher
Crawfisher
January 14, 2020 8:10 pm

I want to buy an 1976 FJ 40 Toyota Land Cruiser for the same reasons.

gilberts
gilberts
January 14, 2020 10:09 pm

I hope this new business model fails for them.
I hate the idea I live in a world where thousands of years of established property law no longer matters.

Donkey
Donkey
January 14, 2020 10:36 pm

G.R.E.E.D. has nothing to do with it.

Down in the holler
Down in the holler
January 14, 2020 11:00 pm

2 Kubota diesels here (one just for the backhoe) 50 hp tractor around here is considered big. Not much flatland but some people would not believe where we have some of our hay fields. (gets a bit sporty sometimes) Still have a ’53 Ford 8n that gets used for bush hogging. Also have a hybrid 41/52 Ford 9n/8n with a Hupp transmission. Someone years ago took the rear of a 9n and mated it to an 8n front end. The Hupp adds a hi/low gear on the normal 4 speed gearbox so you now have 12 speeds. Picked it up for free. All are easy to fix with a shop manual and a barn full of tools. The fords are older than me and in better shape….

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Down in the holler
January 14, 2020 11:58 pm

Kubotas are terrific in my opinion.

TS
TS
January 15, 2020 9:22 am

I have several tractors; a 1950 Massey Harris 22 rake tractor , a British Leyland 385 Neufield, a John Deere 4060 and a Massey Ferguson 1736. The 1736 is new – 2017 – and it’s for sale. The others are many years old and there are many tractor/equipment ‘graveyards’ within a couple hundred miles, who specialize in used parts. Some have miles of old equipment available in their yards.
Along with that I have lots of older equipment besides tractors. An old side-delivery rake and a newer hydraulic V-rake, an old JD round baler, an old Hesston swather with a second parts swather in my boneyard and many trailers and wagons
Also, my newest vehicle is a 1994 Chevy Silverado. My oldest is a 1958 Yeoman. I have several in between – pickups, small trucks and cars.
I have cut, welded, rebuilt, jury-rigged and manufactured whatever needed in my shops something on every one of those.
I can fix anything on any of them, but the 1736 has lots of electronics that I could fix, but I don’t have the specialized gear anymore. Otherwise, the only thing I would have to invest in is the cradles to split the JD, if needed. Far cheaper than the new stuff. For now, the local tractor guys, in a couple of shops in town, can do it faster and cheaper. But I’ve been watching.
In fact, if it came to that I would go back to horses, like we had when I was young, before I would deal with their bullshit.

Robin Banks
Robin Banks
January 15, 2020 10:33 am

All of my transportation is 2008 or older. My 90 Jeep cherokee has too much computer but I can still fix it. I would have to get a pre 1978 auto to have 0 computers.

John Galt
John Galt
January 15, 2020 7:28 pm

This was the first test case of the new rental economy. Tesla was the second case. After the next recession you will have homes, via the bank, with forced internet compliance by google, nest and amazon Alexa. If you refuse to allow them to video and spy in all of your home you will be bricked. You wont ever own the home because the homes, like cars will cost too damned much therefore after the next great depression and the banks foreclose on all of amerika they will then rent the homes like a john deere tractor contract…..I will bet on this.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 20, 2020 9:10 am

We are small scale farmers/homesteaders in Maine and we have a 1950’s International Harvester. We can fix everything on it and will NEVER trade it in for horseslush like this!