Concealing That You’re Carrying?

Guest Post by Eric Peters

Today is the day tens of thousands of people will gather in Richmond, the capital of the Commonwealth of Virginia, to register their contempt for the stated intention of the loathsome humperdink governor – the “Coonman” – and his political allies to impose what is styled by them “sensible gun control.”

What is actually meant by this is the criminalization of the possession of almost all firearms by people who have never committed a criminal act – with a firearm or otherwise. Which raises a very timely question about the wisdom of possessing – or applying for – a permit to carry a concealed handgun.

And not just in Virginia.

Today may be the last day I am at liberty to answer this question openly – if things go south here in the Commonwealth.

I got a permit (noxious in itself as the keeping and bearing of arms is a right – and one ought not to have to ask permission to exercise a right) for what were practical reasons. Viz – to avoid being arrested – or worse – for open-carrying.

This is legal in Virginia – for now.

But in practical terms, it can be dangerous – especially in a car. Let’s say you get pulled over by an AGW for a traffic “violation” (i.e., some trumped up excuse to steal your money) and have a pistol with you. If you haven’t got a CHP, the pistol must be openly carried. That is to say, it must be plainly visible – as on your hip or on the seat beside you. But we live in jumpy – and murderous – times. I do not like the idea of having a gun sitting openly on display when an armed government worker waltzes over to my window.  It is very likely the AGW will draw his gun as soon as he sees yours.

And that is a definite threat to my safety.

As a CHP holder, I can conceal the pistol. The AGW will not see it right away – and therefore, the odds of him pulling his gun on me right away are lower. I also tell the AGW – first thing out of my mouth – that I have a CHP and that I am (or am not) armed and how does he wish to proceed?

This – in my experience – reduces tension as the AGWs (at least, those I have dealt with) grok that a CHP holder who has just told them he is a CHP holder is probably not a “threat to his safety.”

In any event, it is less threat to yours – because you’ve clued-in the AGW to the fact of your being armed without him just seeing a loose gun in a car with a person unknown to him, whose intentions are unknown to him.

I also have found that doing it this way can sometimes result in a warning – rather than a mulcting – for whatever you were pulled-over for.

That said, I must also say that it’s troubling – given the times – to know for a fact that the government of the Commonwealth knows I have guns. If the Coonman and his allies do pass laws criminalizing possession of guns (apparently, they intend to criminalize possession of everything except small caliber revolvers and probably those, too) then they will know who to arrest first.

Or at least, search.

Having a current CHP could easily be construed by the Coonman and his courts as probable cause to assume the person has now-illegal guns. And that could provide the legal basis for the door-to-door confiscation scenarios that are no longer easy to dismiss as the paranoid imaginings of the lunatic fringe.

Door-to-door searches (and Hut! Hut! Huttings!) have occurred on similar pretexts – such as the purchase of certain growing supplies, for instance or even the posting of comments deemed “hateful” online.

The Coonman could simply decree that every person in possession in possession of a CHP prove to the satisfaction of the Commonwealth that they no longer possess the now-illegal-to-possess firearms. Receipts/bills of sale or forfeiture to the “appropriate” government agency would have to be provided. Just saying you no longer possess the guns would not be enough.

Or rather, it would be sufficient to send the door-to-door Hut! Hut! Hut! crew to make sure you longer possess the proscribed firearms.

So, it may be wiser to avoid begging for permission to exercise your right which is about to be taken away. In order to be able to exercise your right … when the time comes.

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14 Comments
Thunderbird
Thunderbird
January 20, 2020 8:02 pm

I think the rally today put the Virginia government on notice. The police were outgunned and the national guard did not show up. And no violence occurred.

A very strong message indeed.

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly
  Thunderbird
January 20, 2020 8:19 pm

What message was sent? What was the VA government put on notice about?? This is a real question from a curious person, not a troll.

It seems to me that Gov. Northam is (by direction) testing to see how fr he can push. Like an old time siege operation: Sap your way around the objective, eliminate reinforcement or escape, then pound them into submission or death. He (they) will take their time. In another generation, the grandchildren of the people at this media driven event won’t even want the right to keep and bear arms, and the job will be done.

Is that the notice that VA government got today? That they are on the right track, and just need to be patient? I think it is.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
  Brian Reilly
January 21, 2020 6:46 am

When a rattle snake is going to strike you does it raise it’s head and say, “I’m going to strike you.” No it rattles it’s tail. When you step back it lowers it’s head and slithers away.

That is what I make of the rally that happened at the Virginia capital.

Now if one wants to pursue the snake then look to get bit.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  Thunderbird
January 21, 2020 12:24 pm

The Progs will be compelled to pursue that figurative snake into a corner with more taxes, more fees, and more restrictions. It’s what they do.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Thunderbird
January 21, 2020 10:41 am

the message I read goes like this:

If you suck mike bloombergs dick, like the coonman obviously does, then not only will you get some campaign money, but, you will also be compromised, and have to do the bidding of the gay billionaire wannabe politician.

anyone who conflates semi-auto with “assault weapon” is compromised.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
January 20, 2020 10:02 pm

My wife has been talking about us finally getting carry permits, but the documentation and government disclosure has always bothered me…and continues to. There is a certain disconnect that a state that can elect an ass clown like Bernie allows carry without a permit. Indeed, always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, but being overly visible to the government goon squad doesn’t seem that smart either.

e.d. ott
e.d. ott
  MrLiberty
January 21, 2020 12:37 pm

I understand your dilemma.
This is a question on whether you, or the State, has the ultimate authority of use and ownership of your legally acquired property. In my opinion, the State has no authority to nullify constitutional rights in order to claim eminent domain over personal assets. EVER.
This is how the Leftists justify stealing – they will create stumbling block laws in order to increase their power. Deep down, I think you know what you should do (wink wink).
We do what The Founder compelled us to do and trust in God.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
  e.d. ott
January 21, 2020 10:11 pm

The stumbling blocks you are talking about is administrative law. It has nothing to do about constitutional law or the bill of rights. It was a form of law created in the 20th century by the lawyers. The BAR. The US Congress. It was created for the coming corporations but since all the courts became administrative courts across the land and there was no more courts to serve the people the administrative court took on the duty of administering the criminal justice system. That is why there is little due process and the bill of rights is so wantonly abused.

Treefarmer
Treefarmer
January 20, 2020 10:18 pm

I already have mine and it expires soon. I’ll be upgrading to enhanced concealed carry in Idaho this year. I figure after all these years the government already knows who I am and where I live anyway.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Treefarmer
January 21, 2020 11:14 am

What is “enhanced concealed carry?” Sawed off bazooka’s?

Gilberts
Gilberts
January 20, 2020 10:27 pm

I had a VA CC permit when I was there. I didn’t want to get busted, either. I was always ready to announce I was carrying. I don’t know if this is a fact, or not, but I always assumed if they ran my plate, my CC permit was going to pop up on their computer, anyway, so I was prepared to have window down and hands either on the wheel or on the window ledge, lights on, etc. I always kept my papers in the sun visor so I would not have to make any big movements for documents.
Now, I live in a place where you can pretty much carry anything, anywhere, concealed if you want, and it’s OK. Folks here only get a permit for specific purposes, like out-of-state travel to reciprocity states. I carry openly when I’m going out to hike and camp, but I rarely feel the need to carry concealed.

Miles Long
Miles Long
January 20, 2020 11:32 pm

At a traffic (DUI checkpoint?) stop in Franklin Co. VA about a decade ago I asked the deputy what was the preferred way to proceed of I was packin’. He advised it was up to me but that it was NOT a state requirement to advise an officer of either a permit or concealed weapon in the vehicle. I’ve been stopped a few times since & have never been asked if I was armed even though I’ve had a CC permit for many years. Te permit never got me out of a speeding ticket either. They need the revenue.

Any questions you have in any state should be covered here…

https://www.usacarry.com/

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 21, 2020 6:34 am

In what is now the socialist people’s republic of MARYLAND the last time I purchased a hand gun the background check and permit to own comes back stamped “NOT DISAPPROVED”
That’s very nice that the MD legislator and State Police do not disapprove of me exercising a constitutional right . However they did pass a red flag law allowing them (Nazi leftist control freaks) to confiscate all firearms at the drop of a hat by unsubstantiated info anynoounmosly reported about you claiming you are a threat to SAFETY ! Should you defend yourself verbally taking an argumentative stand that alone is proof of guilt and even deadly force is now authorized !
Tell me why I should trust any law enforcement minion just doing their job ? Violating citizens rights for profit !

old white guy
old white guy
January 21, 2020 7:16 am

Giving a potentially tyrannical government any information can be dangerous. Of course if you are hunter and have had a hunting licence then you have informed the government that you have a gun or two.