Two Nasty Traits Of This Coronavirus, Typically Not Seen Together

Authored by Mike Shedlock via MishTalk,

Dr. Dena Grayson, who has years of training developing Ebola treatments, shares her concerns about this coronavirus.

I compiled what follows from a Series of Thirteen Tweets by physician (MD) and scientist (PhD) Dr. Dena Grayson. Emphasis is mine.

  1. Dr. Dena Grayson: Having YEARS of experience developing an Ebola treatment, I was concerned about this Coronavirus Outbreak from the outset, because this coronavirus strain is very contagious, causes severe illness, and NO treatments or vaccines are available.
  2. Dr. Dena Grayson: Unlike H5N1 “bird flu” (which does not spread easily between people) or SARS (which was spread by only a handful of “super spreaders”), this coronavirus DOES appear to spread easily between people, even after making the jump from an animal (this is not common).
  3. Dr. Dena Grayson: In addition to being highly contagious, this novel coronavirus can cause a SEVERE infection that can kill even healthy people. It’s rare to see BOTH of these (bad) attributes in the same novel virus. Usually, it’s one or the other.
  4. Dr. Dena Grayson: One way experts judge how deadly a pathogen (virus, bacteria, etc) is by the “case-fatality rate,” which is the # of deaths / # infected people. It’s WAY too early to know what this is, because it takes time for patients to succumb to the infection.
  5. Dr. Dena Grayson: Thus far, the case-fatality rate appears to be ~4%…but its’ WAY too early to know what it really is, due to spotty reporting (both of deaths and cases), and because patients are still sick and could die tomorrow, next week, etc., even if no new infections occur.
  6. Dr. Dena Grayson: Per @CDCgov, “Early on, many of the patients in the outbreak in Wuhan, China reportedly had some link to a large seafood/animal market, suggesting animal-to-person spread.” Now, many newly diagnosed patients have NO connection to the market, supporting human-human spread = BAD
  7. Dr. Dena Grayson: @CDCgov I get asked: “How will I know if I have the coronavirus?” Answer: it’s very hard to tell, because the symptoms are similar to having influenza — anywhere on the spectrum from a very bad cold to severe pneumonia with respiratory compromise.
  8. Dr. Dena Grayson: @CDCgov Although there are no specific treatments (medicines to combat the coronavirus) or vaccines, excellent supportive care, such as IV fluids, intubation (on a “breathing machine”), can help support patients while their immune system battles (and hopefully, defeats) the infection.
  9. Dr. Dena Grayson: @CDCgov In an “outbreak,” local hospitals can get overwhelmed, and there aren’t enough hospital beds, staff, ventilators (breathing machines). This appears to be the case in Wuhan, where authorities are working to build a 1000-bed (mobile) hospital in JUST 10 DAYS. This is ALARMING.
  10. Dr. Dena Grayson: @CDCgov China has a history of not accurately reporting outbreaks, so it’s hard to know exactly what is happening, especially with no free press, internet, etc. China’s massive response is VERY telling and strongly suggests that the Coronavirus Outbreak is VERY bad, especially in Wuhan
  11. Dr. Dena Grayson: @CDCgov How can you protect yourself and others? 1: Avoid contact with people who are visibly ill (even loved ones) 2: Stay home if YOU are sick 3: Cover your nose/mouth with a tissue (not hand) when coughing/sneezing 4: Don’t touch your face (difficult) 5: Wash your hands frequently
  12. Dr. Dena Grayson: @CDCgov Right now, the risk appears low in the US, with only a few isolated cases. Unfortunately, I expect that this will change, as more cases arise here, especially with global travel and how readily this coronavirus appears to spread (via droplets in the air).
  13. Dr. Dena Grayson: @CDCgov I will continue to provide commentary about the emerging Coronavirus as news emerges over time. In this Tweet link , you will find links to excellent @who and @CDCgov websites that track the Coronavirus Outbreak.

Outright Lies by China Over Virus Death Total

In regards to point number 10, please note Relatives Wonder Why Pneumonia Deaths Not in Coronavirus Tally.

A 53-year-old fitness trainer died on Wednesday after checking into a hospital in Wuhan a little more than a week earlier, said his niece. His family had expected the death certificate to reflect the deadly coronavirus, because as his condition deteriorated, his doctors told his family he was suffering from an untreatable virus in his lungs.

Instead, it recorded “severe pneumonia” as the cause of death, she said. The relatives of two other people who died in separate hospitals in Wuhan this week also described similar situations, saying the causes of death had been given as “viral pneumonia.”

The relatives of all three said the deceased hadn’t been included in China’s official count of 41 deaths attributed to coronavirus.

The Beijing News, a newspaper, reported this week that many patients weren’t officially labeled as carrying the new virus, even though their doctors and nurses said they were.

ZeroHedge has more sweep it under the rug cases in his report This is How China is Hiding the True Number of Coronavirus Deaths.

Beijing Lockdown

Ominous signs. Forbidden City (major tourist attraction) is now closed, and tours in Beijing are now cancelled. I fear that Beijing soon may be locked down, joining at least 11 of cities in China with a collective 50+ million people.

Blocking the Roads

Dr Dena Again

Sick – even potentially critically ill – patients line the hallway. Such scenes only happen when a hospital is overwhelmed.

Message From Wuhan Nurse

“The front line is much scarier than reported on TV. Much worse. Doctors estimate 1000, are infected. The government told us to cure these people but we have no supplies. There is nothing we can do. We just watch people die. I cannot take this anymoreDo not trust the governmentYou are on your own.”

Wow!

I cannot confirm the accuracy of that video. The stress does sound real. If the video is real, that nurse is going to be in serious trouble for the last statement even if her 100,000 count is fictional.

Chris Martenson’s Must See Video

Also, please check out Chris Martenson’s Must See Video on the Coronavirus

We now have two PhDs, Chris Martenson whom I know personally as a straight shooter, and Dena Grayson whom I strongly believe is a straight shooter, now sharing similar concerns.

Economic Impact

A friend asked how this might play out economically speaking.

How it will and how it might and will are very different questions.

  1. If the China videos I recently added to this post are accurate, this could be like the Spanish flu.
  2. Alternatively it could die out.
  3. It could also be “contained” to China or Asia.

Those are vastly different scenarios.

Here is one setup on the Economic Impact of the 2003 SARS Outbreak.

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), a total of 8,098 people worldwide became sick with SARS during the 2003 outbreak. Of these, 774 died.

I cannot begin to calculate the Spanish Flu scenario.

“The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans.”

That is extremely unlikely for many reasons including more knowledge of how viruses spread, better health care procedures, etc, but it is in the realm of possibilities.

Five Point Addendum

  1. Don’t confuse highly unlikely with impossible
  2. Don’t confuse possible with likely
  3. The odds of a fast mutating virus are not zero
  4. The odds of a mutation that results in very long incubation period are not zero
  5. Those who claim “impossible” understand neither viruses or math.

Expect a lot of “I told you so” comments from those in group 5.

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gman
gman

low level doom porn.

remember real diseases, like smallpox and polio and plague? ah the good old days ….

Lebowski
Lebowski

Mish is reporting what Chris Martenson has been saying And CM has a PHD in viral ology from Duke I think we need to listen to him

Anonymous
Anonymous

MARTENSON contradicts what his own post says and the other one works for the CDC. I smell 2 rats.

gman
gman

“rats”

nah, no rats, just doom porn to generate government funding and web browser hit revenues, that’s all.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

It’s only doom porn until it’s not.
As stated in another article comment section regardless of how many false alarms the wolf does eventually come.

gman
gman

“the wolf does eventually come”

yeah and eventually we’re all gonna die of something. geez, in the 60’s it was duck and cover, in the 70’s it was a new ice age, in the 80’s it was nuclear winter, in the 90’s it was economic collapse, in the 00’s it was global warming, in the ’10’s it was economic collapse again, now it’s the flu – the flu! – geez, get a grip.

Mygirl....Maybe

Well, you can deny this disease to your heart’s content, you can pretend it isn’t serious as hell, you can bury your head in the sand and say this is a psyop because you don’t want believe but this is real, it is happening, it is deadly and you had better pray that what’s happening in China doesn’t make it over here.

If you have a working brain then you will prep. If you don’t have a working brain then you will pretend this is all a fraud and not real.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer

If it is what you seem to think it is than you are quite aware that it has made it over here.

Now, we wait…

Smaller govt now!
Smaller govt now!

Starting in 2024 it will be death due to democrat taxation…..

The wonder of it all
The wonder of it all

This disease – can – really be as bad as described. Just as other diseases in history have killed unwittingly. I guess it will only matter if it happens to you.

gman
gman

“I guess it will only matter if it happens to you.”

and tomorrow I might get hit by a truck. doesn’t mean it’s an epidemic. look, the existing numbers are normal. meaning typical. hyping these numbers is doom porn, plain and simple.

The wonder of it all
The wonder of it all

The correct word is pandemic. Reports gets worse all the time Mongolia reports closing its border with China. No worries. Just sit next to them on a bus like Obingo would do

gman
gman

“Reports gets worse all the time”

they always do. until the new doom porn star shows up and it’s “we’re all gonna die!” all over again. remember ebola last year? remember sars? remember how aids was gonna kill us all? betcha don’t.

“in the future everyone will die for every 15 minutes.”

The wonder of it all
The wonder of it all

I guess the reporting is just made up to scare people. Works for me.

gman
gman

more specifically the reporting is calibrated to generate eyes-on in order to generate revenue.

bookmark this page and come back in a few months when a new doom porn quean has taken the stage.

niebo
niebo

Methinks you miss the point – the reporting is only happening worldwide and in the alternative media – the corporate media here in the US is quite dismissive. WHEN have they EVER NOT HYPED a flu, a measle, an ebola, a bare breast at the “big game” halftime show?

The wonder of it all
The wonder of it all

U.S. government urges Americans to reconsider travel to China because of coronavirus
by Reuters
Monday, 27 January 2020 23:35 GMT

The wonder of it all
The wonder of it all

China Virus Cases Almost Double Overnight, Deaths Top 100 As North Korea Closes Border

Profile picture for user Tyler Durden
by Tyler Durden
Mon, 01/27/2020 – 20:22
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Summary
4295 Cases confirmed worldwide

106 Dead worldwide

2714 Cases in Hubei (up 1291 overnight – a stunning 91% surge)

100 Dead in Hubei (up 24 overnight – a 24% surge)

North Korea closes Chinese border.

German reports first case

US raises travel alert for China to Level 3 (2nd highest).

Worldwide Cases:

The wonder of it all
The wonder of it all

San Francisco Activates Emergency Operations Center To Prepare For Coronavirus

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by Tyler Durden
Mon, 01/27/2020 – 18:45
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Increasing fears of coronavirus spreading across the U.S. have resulted in San Francisco Mayor London Breed to activate the city’s emergency operations center, reported the San Francisco Chronicle.

“It’s, so we have a centralized location and process to prepare for what we need to do, to share public information, and to take any action if necessary,” said Jeff Cretan, a spokesman for Breed.

So far, there have been no confirmed cases in the Bay Area, but there are new reports that at least ten people have been tested for the deadly virus in Alameda County.

On Monday, the CDC said 110 people are under observation and being tested for the virus across the U.S. While 5 cases have already been confirmed, another 32 have tested negative.

The emergency center is also coming online one day before a Boeing 767, filled with 230 Americans, is expected to depart from Wuhan Tianhe International Airport on Tuesday for California.

There are more than 1,000 Americans trapped in the epidemic-stricken Chinese city of Wuhan, in which the U.S. State Department launched an emergency evacuation operation over the weekend.

The plane is expected to land in Ontario, California, which is about 400-miles south of the Bay Area.

The CDC has stepped up screening for air travelers for the deadly virus arriving from Asia at West Coast airports.

San Francisco activating its emergency center comes at a time when the University of Hong Kong’s med school revealed during a Monday presser that the deadly virus has likely infected more than 44,000 people in China. Meanwhile, Professor Neil Ferguson, at least the second UK academic to publicly share his projections, said over the weekend that 100,000 people could already be infected with the virus around the world, according to the Guardian.

If the coronavirus continues to spread across the world at its current rate, then it could become a global epidemic in the weeks or months ahead. It seems Bay Area officials are taking no chances with immediate preparations for the worst possible

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer

So then there are no quarantines in China?

John Galt
John Galt

Again gman i like the way you think sometimes. And i would normally agree about revenue but when you look at the official reporting vs the alt media and twitter from real people there seems to be a massive difference. One seen in movies where govt says not to be worried we gots this and real people tweeting and you-tubing reality of chaos. The fear mongering seems to be real people with no “channel” or website to monetize. That is why i am on high alert. As you should be.

Mygirl....Maybe

There are now 106 dead and 4,295 infected according to official Chinese records….live stream….

Mygirl....Maybe

Well, let’s see here…the Chinese didn’t quarantine 60 plus MILLION people for SARS, Ebola or Aids. The Chinese didn’t risk economic collapse over any of those diseases and yet that’s what they’re doing now. Wonder why?

Smaller govt now!
Smaller govt now!

Because this was a militarized bio weapon that got out….its about time this happened. Too many movies and none in reality. It was bound to happen sometime.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer

Apparently there isn’t a quarantine for everybody, thus negating the whole quarantine thing, so there’s that…

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/04/us/us-wuhan-evacuation-flight-coronavirus/index.html

John Galt
John Galt

Gman now you show your ignorance like a democrat discussions of “assault rifles” that can shoot 6,000 “shells” per second.

Ebola is body fuid only spread. Sars was not airborne and very hard to contract. Same with bird flu. Need to sneeze or again body fluid. None of the recent big scares were airborne viral. Anthrax was nothing. Airborne viral, let me say it again. And explain it to you. Airborne means you just need to breath it also means bodily fluid from a sneeze on an elevator button. Viral means there is no antibiotic and the only cure is your own body defenses. The only option is a vaccine. Most vaccines would act like a flu shot just lessening your chance of dying but still have the infection. Some vaccines will allow for immunity. Most will not for a virus. Go do some reading and fact checking then re comment.

gman
gman

in a few months during the next doom porn panic I’ll remind everyone of this discussion.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Officially it is 41,000 infected and 910 dead, but no body believes those numbers for too many reasons to comment here. Probably an order of magnitude higher, maybe 2 orders? Can’t by disposable masks n95 anymore. Maybe it’s time to worry a little. Maybe talk to your local authorities, because a central government is not going to be able to help on a scale as seems to be coming here, wherever you are. Wouldn’t hurt to have a couple weeks of food handy.

J Jones
J Jones

Exactly. This is a global psyop. Using this disease to herd the cattle.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer

She works for the CDC?

Then she’s promoting The Narrative.

Read the article again. It’s so serious that the Chinese are literally building huge dirt mound road blocks to prevent the spread throughout China, but according to Dr. Dena even though it is in the USA, the proper protocol isn’t to prohibit airliners from disgorging a never ending stream of Chinese into our country, but make sure you use a tissue when you sneeze.

You couldn’t make this up if you tried.

Keep importing Chinese vectors, but if your loved ones here get it, stay away from them.

gman
gman

“You couldn’t make this up if you tried.”

sure you could. it’s just that an honest man wouldn’t expect to be believed notice how they expect to be believed.

Mygirl....Maybe

Here’s a tracking map of the infections……

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/01/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Anonymous
Anonymous

get’s better, last week it was 1 case in the US, today heard 5, what do you think by the weekend ? my money is on 25 they will admit to.

ILuvCo2
ILuvCo2

Ever think they want it to happen?

Mygirl....Maybe

Wait, so this is real but it isn’t real because they haven’t stopped air travel? The authorities don’t want panic and will delay stopping air traffic until it is way too late. The disease has a Ro of 3 to 4%.
The math here:
R0=3

0 1
1 3
2 9
3 27
4 81
5 243
6 729
7 2187
8 6561
9 19683
10 59049
11 177147
12 531441
13 1594323
14 4782969
15 14348907
16 43046721
17 129140163
18 387420489
19 1162261467
20 3486784401
21 10460353203
22 31381059609
23 94143178827
24 282429536481
25 847288609443
26 2541865828329
27 7625597484987
28 22876792454961
29 68630377364883
30 205891132094649

The wonder of it all
The wonder of it all

U.S. government urges Americans to reconsider travel to China because of coronavirus
by Reuters
Monday, 27 January 2020 23:35 GMT
(Updates with State Department advisory)

Jan 27 (Reuters) – The U.S. State Department urged Americans on Monday to reconsider going to China because of the coronavirus, after warning against travel to the Hubei province of China, where the respiratory illness is believed to have originated, .

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said on Monday it had not recorded any new confirmed cases of the illness overnight since its last update of five, but that as many as 110 potential cases were under investigation.

The State Department said Americans should reconsider any plans to travel to China during the outbreak.

In an advisory posted on Friday, the State Department said: “Do not travel to Hubei province, China due to novel coronavirus first identified in Wuhan, China.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Commas please. Then it’s clear the reproductive ratio for line 21. surpasses world population…

…oops, I forgot to include new Space Force recruits from Alpha Centauri.

StackingStock
StackingStock

Despite Soaring Mask Demand, 3M Slashes 1,500 Jobs In Global Restructuring

Sum Ting Wong

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/3m-cut-1500-jobs-revamp-amid-auto-electronics-woes

M G
M G

I visited with my doctor yesterday. He looks haggard, as if dealing with the hillbilly aches, pains and sniffles in the county seat is taking its toll after a career treating relatively healthy sailors in the US Navy.

He’s been my doctor since I moved here, though I’ve had others due to other conditions. He’s the go-to guy if I need to see a specialist or need a script for something I can’t make.

One of his sons is a pilot in the Navy, I think, but it might be Marines. It’s in D.C. area, so he’s all in the know about SNAFU world of bureaucratic oversight and immovable objects.

He told me a friend of his planned to retired to New Zealand, but the entrance fee for someone of his age (over 70), even with a physician’s license and a lifetime of experience? Ten Million Dollars. No one wants the elderly.

He thinks it could kill millions, if not a billion. And he said it with that stern “don’t call me Popeye Doyle” look he gives only me.

Mygirl....Maybe

Well golly, you need to contact the Chinese, let them know that they are making a real big fuss over nothing….

M G
M G

They are taking their temperatures at the departure gate to make sure they aren’t feverish. But, guess what? They just flew in a tube with a several dozen of their closest air breathing neighbors.

Just one of those incidentals… China’s ‘one child policy’ ended in 2015. They realized there would not be enough children to care for the current population, thus they changed what was considered “good” as a family.

Still, there are an awful lot of elderly in China who might get ill and die with a virus like this, which would be a better solution to the population control specialists.

China had “population control specialists” when they instituted the population war when China’s population topped one billion (1982), by 1985 it had grown to a war on the population. Population Control nurses visited homes to force abortions when second pregnancies were reported (70% of the time) or sometimes after the birth, when they would dispose of the unwanted “fetus.” In one infamous case, a woman hid her identical twins for almost 18 months and then was made to choose between them.

If you have not seen One Child Nation on Amazon Prime, it has some fascinating information on abortion statistics I’m only beginning to fathom. If no interest at all, I’ll simply summarize how successfully the campaign to make the “population war” a justification for the mass slaughter of infants as well as unborn children is put very well from the 28 minute point and if it doesn’t grab your attention, stop trying at 30 minutes.

As far as the stream of flights and people from China? With an incubation period of perhaps 2 weeks? How to stop it?

Da Perfessor
Da Perfessor

gman –

You are confusing “virulence” with “pathogenicity”.

Yeah, the old-timey “real diseases” had R0’s of north of 5 maybe as high as 9 in a few outbreaks. That is a rough measure of “pathogenicity”, ie. the ability to infect and cause disease. Yeah…that’s bad. What’s worse is the associated mortality which was (IIRC) north of 60%….a general relation to “virulence”.

Again, IIRC, those diseases don’t have “quiet carrier” states like this bug…one had to be symptomatic to be shedding infectious particles. Much easier to quarantine the “old-timers”

Also, those diseases had shorter incubation periods so an effective quarantine could be mounted sooner.

Finally, it is scary to have a highly infectious and highly virulent epidemic. The flip side is that they can burn themselves out quick if reasonable counter-measures have been taken. More comforting for the larger pool of survivors, sucks to be you if you caught it.

I would not be too worried about dying from this bug…yet. The far bigger concern is the capacity it has to totally stop medical care in the country. Less than a million hospital beds in a population of 320+ MM.

Just 0.3% of the population requiring conventional care takes every bed. And, unless somebody spent the money after the Ebola scare, there’s still less than a dozen and a half of biocontainment level 4 beds.

Should you be worried about dying from this? Probably not but that is not nor ever has been my point with the event.

Somebody other than you has control over most water and most food that you consume.

How does it hurt to address that concern? It matters little whether this was a plan or a screw-up or Ma Nature being a bitch. Minimize your vulnerabilities, it is a smart thing to do.

Da P

gman
gman

“How does it hurt to address that concern?”

it usually doesn’t. look, I was expecting nuclear war any second with the soviets since I was a kid, I know all about “the end of the world!” and preps, and lately I’ve been starting to consider what is realistic and what isn’t and to recognize doom porn for what it is.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

Send me a postcard of the Antichrist when you see how the doom porn trumpet and bowl judgements are working out for you after you miss the fairy tail Rapture in the next five years or so gman

gman
gman

“after you miss the fairy tail Rapture in the next five years or so”

(snort) in the 70’s they were all confidently dancing and saying, “the rapture’ll happen by 1988!” (1948 + “this generation”/40 years = 1988). yeah, sure.

heh. remember when the european common market was the beast?

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

The 1918 pandemic happened, WWI and II happened, 1929 happened, the Holocaust happened.
God judgements will happen.
Timing is everything.

gman
gman

“God judgements will happen.”

oh so now it’s the judgement of god. yeah, sure. maybe. bookmark this page and revisit it in a few months.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

Within the next 6 years the Rapture will happen and those left behind or over 90% of the world population will enter the 7 year NWO reign of the Antichrist.
By the end of the decade the Great tribulation or judgements of God will begin and approximately 2/3 to 3/4 of the Earth’s population will be destroyed.
By approximately 2033 Jesus’ second coming will occur.
For it is written.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Where do I get posters advertising His 2nd tour? I’m thinking I’ll get promoted to Devil’s Deputy burning them on the Antichrist’s porch.

And does scripture say if there will be any new banjo hosannas, or will we be listening to the same ole Jew’s harp hits?

mark
mark

Anonymous,

O unknown one…me thinks you will find your answer and picture here.

Proverbs 19:29

mark
mark

Eyes Wide Shut,

Hey my brother, you know we disagree on the timing not the doctrine (I am not dogmatic on the timing).

I believe you are right in the general ballpark on His return.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

We have to work backwards from a 2000 year or 2 day church age and Jewish separation from God beginning at the crucifixion of Jesus.
Approximately 2032 minus 7 year 70th week of Daniel or tribulation period. Regardless of your position on the pretribulation Rapture the Ezekiel 38, 39 war and NWO reign of the Antichrist must begin by approximately 2025.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I saw an advertisement in a religious ragazine for a service that would come feed your pets if the rapture occurred and you got swept away.

I love my dog, but should I trust a company run by people who KNOW they aren’t going?

gman
gman

“a service that would come feed your pets if the rapture occurred”

dude, that’s awesome. let me guess, they also sell n95 masks ….

AC
AC

So, 5 confirmed US cases as of yesterday, 110 ‘possible’ US cases today.
A Hong Kong doctor is saying 44,000 cases just in Wuhan alone. Remember that about 5 million Chinese left Wuhan before the quarantine was imposed. I’d like to know how many of those are students in US universities, who went back (to the US) for the next term,

I think it’s fair to say that containment has failed, and it’s going to get worse.

gman
gman

I predict several hundred to several thousand people die of the flu this year.

just like every year.

AC
AC

If the mortality rate for this coronavirus is 5%, with the estimated 85% incidence rate, we stand to suffer 14 million fatalities this year in the US alone.

If it’s 15%, as in the initial group of patients, we may lose 42 million this year, just in the US.

We don’t have a good idea what the mortality rate is, except for that initial group of patients, because the Chinese are lying about both the number of cases and the number of deaths.

My presumption is that they are lying to avoid a massive public panic.

gman
gman

“15%, as in the initial group of patients”

if they’re sick enough to present themselves to a hospital, of course they’re going to be quite sick. the rest stayed home and blew snot everywhere and got over it, like always.

“My presumption is that they are lying to avoid a massive public panic.”

an entirely reasonable, in fact recommend, approach to anything the chinese communist party ruling class families say. in fact at this point that’s a highly positive indicator of how bad this season’s flu effects will be. it’s also the ONLY one. bookmark my prediction.

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve

If it is worse for the elderly like usual they just found a way to make Social Security solvent again.

“Never Waste a Crisis”

Mushroom Cloud
Mushroom Cloud

You mean die of “flu like symptons” right? Big pharma still needs to doctor the numbers in order to fill their coffers with their snake oil sales to captive and indoctrinated markets. I’m surprised I have seen any ” protect yourself and loved ones from coronavirus by getting your flu shot today” bulletins yet…

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

I’m just starting to feel a little headachey. I need to get my affairs in order.

ILuvCo2
ILuvCo2

Iska, breathe in breathe out, slowly, if you still can.

Anonymous
Anonymous

If you can’t breath, self-intubate with your mamma’s silver coke straw

Uninfected
Uninfected

But even the New York Times says “Coronavirus Deaths Are So Far Mostly Older Men, Many With Previous Health Issues”

Many had underlying conditions like cirrhosis of the liver, hypertension, diabetes and Parkinson’s disease. Most spent more than a week in hospitals, with some undergoing treatment for a month or longer. But two died just four days after they were admitted.

Wait. The NYT? Maybe it is real then

But seriously, its real although Aids and Ebola are the real depopulators. Coronavirus is about establishing control.

And the nice thing about America is that we still get to choose our own conspiracy theories.

gman
gman

“(fill in the blank) Deaths Are So Far Mostly Older Men, Many With Previous Health Issues”

just like every year before. nuthin’ new.

overthecliff
overthecliff

Oh shit! I’m old and have previous health issues.

Anonymous
Anonymous

For everybody’s sake, end your suffering. Jump over the cliff.

yahsure
yahsure

The Rodents in northern AZ carry the Plague. I admit the talk about carriers appearing ok and spreading this Coronavirus, this is really special. Modern Typhoid Marys.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

So I was up at Walgreens 1/2 hour ago. Turns out they’re totally out of those paper face masks.

Mygirl....Maybe

No paper face masks? Amazon is also out, ditto Walmart and a few other retailers…what’s available has gone up in price. The Chinese are buying large lots of face masks and shipping them to relatives in China but hey, don’t worry, this is nuthin’ new….

Somebody you know but change me name
Somebody you know but change me name

I have 2,000 in my preps along with a dozen full quarantine gear as well as a dozen full face new gas masks with 100 filters……

Mary Christine

They are still available at amazon but not 20 for 20 bucks like I got them yesterday. If I don’t need them for this they are still useful for soapmaking, dust storms, sanding whatever, etc.

I don’t know if this is a nothing burger or a something burger. I’m intuitive. My intuition told me both swine flu scares, ebola, zika were all nothing burgers. This one feels different and I’m not going to take any chances.

I guess we will know more in the next 10-21 days.

Mygirl....Maybe

Masks are for if you have to go out….otherwise plan to isolate for a time. The ‘official’ numbers have already gone up 60% in one day, think about that. Also, Wuhan and Hubei province are quarantined but many other provinces are wide open and they are showing many cases of infection.

There is no airfare restriction for much of China and most countries are allowing planes in. Duerte in the Phillipines turned 500 tourists away and several countries are closing their borders to Chinese. Probably too late because the infectious phase of the disease can go from one to 14 days before symptoms and no symptoms can still spread disease. China has no clue as to the real numbers and….5 million left Wuhan before the quarantine.

Contrary to some who believe this is like a flu, it is not. Some are calling this Wuhan pneumonia because the disease almost always causes pneumonia and the flu does not….

Mary Christine

I’m not going to lose sleep over this because sleep is important to the immune system. I’m just going to watch this closely to see what happens. My husband flies back and forth from Dallas. I told him if this ramps up by the end of the week he was going to have to get through me to leave again. Use your imagination.

ILuvCo2
ILuvCo2

Same here MC, this one feels different. Got silver.

Articles of Confederation

H1N1 put my family on its ass several years ago. I remember my wife was sick as a dog on Christmas Day, and watching row after row of our office disappear.

N99 masks are great for working with a lot of mulch that’s still composting. It gets old inhaling mold and coughing it up the next day.

Mygirl....Maybe

In addition to the physical toll on persons and medical staffs and supplies, a disease outbreak puts a massive toll on the economy. I have a friend who works for a major grocery store and this flu season has been especially virulent so the store has been way understaffed. She’s worked ten days without a break….lots of overtime though.

The wonder of it all
The wonder of it all

Everyone believes what they want to believe.

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable

We have a chartered jet loaded with Coronavirus refugees from Wuhan scheduled to land at our nearest airport (ONT) here in SoCal. Word is they may be quarantined for 2 weeks before they’re let loose to do whatever. I wouldn’t doubt if we don’t see more Chinese trying to escape this scourge. Watch that kid’s video with the subtitles, it’s pretty grim.

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve

I had to fly Saturday and was concerned about the pending ice storms enough to write good bye letters to family and seal them in a just in case envelope along with account information.

Now I’m concerned about being able to get home Wednesday and what I may bring with me. I’m not in China but airlines are giant incubators even on a good day.

Copperhead
Copperhead

SARS is Captain Tripps, oh wait Bird flu is Captain Tripps, oh no maybe Ebola is Captain Tripps, nah I’m sure Coronavirvs is Captain Tripps I’d better move to Colorado.

Mygirl....Maybe

You could just jump off a cliff…

John Galt
John Galt

Over the last 5 years, during my work, I have personally met with active and retired (7 full colonels), 2 (2 star) generals, a full rear admiral, 3 majors, 2 sergeants and numerous enlisted, active, or retired military. In every case i asked each during a personal conversation what was their biggest Armageddon or shtf main concern.

Every. Single. One. Of. Them. Said “BIO”. Whether it be bio-terroirsm, bio false flag, bio capitalism (this one i asked for a definition he said a corp has the only known vaccine and manically, this bio hazard envelopes millions and their stock triples).

When i asked why bio not emp etc. The common theme was it was a common enemy, unseen enemy, and the citizens will all comply for the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Imagine martial law, dystopian govt. Surely you think patriots would fight this. But imagine a highly contagious virus that if you even venture outdoors it could infect you then you bring it home and it kills everyone. You are home bound. Locked in. And an easy target for confiscation of weapons and food stored. This would be the easiest martial law false flag to quickly secure and deter patriots putting up any form of resistance.

However, every single one of them said the problem cannot and will not be contained that is guaranteed. My conclusion was 2 reasons, first, a virus means you are contagious most of the time before symptoms show and lastly, people travel extensively today and border guards can be bribed especially in third world countries.

And runner up was the impact of the economy. Govts would not want to effect the economy by shutting down or locking down large cities. To compound this imagine an election year screwing up the economy or doing something to look like a hero or a temp hero but causes Armageddon because the politician is selfish in the short term only in hopes of getting re elected.

Anyone else notice Trumpy has been mute on this coronavirus? Election year……

H Munster
H Munster

Dr. Dena Grayson is an alarmist, she is also spreading lies that bodies are “piling up” on the streets of ecuador. Simply not true. Bodies were being placed on street for disposal. I am in Ecuador, is Dr. Grayson?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/08/congressional-spouse-and-candidate-owns-stock-in-firm-researching-zika-drug-104492

Ran for Congress as a democrat, check.

Is a lobbyist for a pharmaceutical company, check.

Was a major promoter of the Zika hoax, check.

Owns a shit ton of stock in the company she lobbies for, check.
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Pan Am smile and sanpaku eyes, check.

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