Fire Cider and the Four Thieves

Guest Post by Hardscrabble Farmer

I recently recommended a recipe to a reader for a tonic we have been making for many years. The original formula given to me included only a rough outline of ingredients, mostly based on what was available locally. I have shared it over the years with anyone interested in homeopathy and homemade cures for common ailments. We’ve modified the recipe to our tastes and you can do so as well, but I thought I’d share the basics with everyone in light of the recent scare around the possible spread of the Corona virus. While researching this piece I discovered that it is commonly referred to as “fire cider” but feel free to call it whatever you want as long as it works.

According to the legend, during the Black Plague a group of thieves in France were able to enter the homes of the sick to rob them without fear of infection. Upon their arrest they brokered a parole by sharing their recipe for a tonic that protected them from the disease that later was to wipe out as much as a third of the population of Europe. That recipe is found below-

“Take three pints of strong white wine vinegar, add a handful of each of wormwood, meadowsweet, wild marjoram and sage, fifty cloves, two ounces of campanula roots, two ounces of angelic, rosemary and horehound and three large measures of champhor. Place the mixture in a container for fifteen days, strain and express then bottle. Use by rubbing it on the hands, ears and temples from time to time when approaching a plague victim.”

This concoction has been altered over time and according to local tastes and available herbs and spices but there appears to be more than tradition behind its efficacy.

My wife had a very serious case of the flu several years back and was able to eliminate all symptoms within 24 hours by trying a broth made from 52 cloves of garlic, and so we now use a great deal more garlic- something we produce in massive quantities compared to some of the other ingredients required and it suits our particular recipe quite well.

The following article gives some details about each ingredient to support the science behind it’s success and a recipe that is relatively close to our own.

https://www.foodiewithfamily.com/fire-cider-health-tonic-and-homeopathic-remedy/

While it can be made from dried ingredients available at most grocery stores, if you can obtain fresh, organic sources it makes for a much better end product. You can choose a variety of peppers based on your tastes- we like ghost peppers, most recipes call for jalapenos- and the addition of citrus is a nice touch we’ve never tried before. The basics are always garlic, horseradish, apple cider vinegar, and garlic with a sweetener like honey added at the end, whereas we use maple syrup. We’ve added fresh herbs to the mix- my favorite is oregano or rosemary- but the final decisions on what you prefer to use is up to you.

I can’t prove that this works at cutting down on the symptoms associated with the cold or a flu virus, but I believe it to be effective for combating some of the more unpleasant side effects, such as respiratory distress, congestion, stuffy nose, myalgia, and headaches. It mellows to a spicy/sour finish that’s almost impossible to describe, but which is unusually piquant and zesty. It can be consumed by the spoonful like an elixir or added to cold drinks or hot tea as an additive.

Enjoy!

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49 Comments
Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
January 28, 2020 7:16 pm

Thanks again for the recipe, Hardscrabble. I always use natural medicine so this fits right in.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious
January 28, 2020 7:22 pm

What, no eye of newt?

Seriously, many of these recipes do have some history backing them up as being effective. Many modern drugs started from primitive peoples divulging their lotions and potions.

When one of my sisters was an infant, she had terrible diaper rash and my mother couldn’t clear it up. My grandmother stormed in one day with a bag of leaves and began brewing up a large pot of water to receive those leaves. It boiled for a time and then she let it cool off.

She poured the brown liquid into a baby’s tub and sat my sister in it and washed her behind with the liquid. When she was done she proclaimed the rash would be gone in the morning. I laughed and told her it was ridiculous. She left.

Next day the rash was gone. I felt the idiot and had to apologize to grandma. I found out it was just seriously strong Chamomile tea that she brewed up.

Mygirl....Maybe
Mygirl....Maybe
  Solutions Are Obvious
January 28, 2020 8:11 pm

HSF: Thank you for this recipe. I told a friend of mine about this today and she and I are going to batch some up. Garlic has long been used not only for cooking but also for it’s medicinal properties. Years ago I stumbled on Jethro Kloss’ Back to Eden book and still use it as a reference today. Honey has it’s own benefits too. When I was down with strep throat my go to was warm water, honey and lemon juice. I also used honey to help quiet down a miserable cough.

Jaz
Jaz
January 28, 2020 7:22 pm

Thank you kindly Hardscrabble.

card802
card802
January 28, 2020 7:33 pm

Thanks HSF!

My grandma was very interested in foraging and natural medicine. She tried and tried to teach us whenever we were in the woods and our yearly two week vacations in Ontario camping and fishing 65 miles from the nearest town, which was nothing more than a bar, a Benjamin Franklin’s, a lot of shacks and dirt roads. The most exciting times with grandma was going over to pick blueberries, and share the hills with black bears.

I wish as a teenager I would have paid more attention way back then, I really miss grandma.

Just Thinking
Just Thinking
January 28, 2020 7:36 pm

No doubt it works but, I had to smile as memories of the old M.A.S.H. episode where the Korean local concocts a cure for a mystery rash came to mind

M G
M G
January 28, 2020 7:39 pm

It sounds wonderful… and the story is very similar to the Thieves story associated with a certain essential oil company!

Nature provides a better way.

Donkey
Donkey
January 28, 2020 8:16 pm

Hardscabble,

How long does it stay edible?

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Donkey
January 28, 2020 8:50 pm

Probably longer than you will be alive!! And you might replace edible with tolerable and efficacious.

Donkey
Donkey
  ILuvCO2
January 29, 2020 9:16 am

Palatable?

M G
M G
  Donkey
January 29, 2020 9:20 am

Listen… some things you just gulp down and don’t even think about it.

Some things you even close your eyes, hold your nose and gulp.

Something wicked this way comes (EC)
Something wicked this way comes (EC)
  M G
January 29, 2020 12:33 pm

Reminds me of my ex-GF.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Donkey
January 29, 2020 10:13 am

I love the flavor of it, it’s bright, spicy, has that nice apple cider tang- once you add some sweetener and dilute with ice water or sparkling water it’s like a cocktail.

M G
M G
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 29, 2020 11:29 am

Granny Fanny said most people really liked her onion poultice, too.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  M G
January 29, 2020 12:23 pm

A new study shows why baking soda is so healthy for you.

Drinking Baking Soda Could Be Cheap, Safe Way to Combat Autoimmune Disease, Says Scientists

Something wicked this way comes (EC)
Something wicked this way comes (EC)
  Vixen Vic
January 29, 2020 12:32 pm

There’s a price to everything, said old Pangloss. Pretty soon, your stomach will be making more acid and then you’ll have an ulcer.

dodowneasthillbilly
dodowneasthillbilly
  Something wicked this way comes (EC)
January 29, 2020 4:26 pm

My doc sez ulcers are bacterial.

mark
mark
  Vixen Vic
January 29, 2020 10:37 pm

Right on VV,

On a minor point it worked almost immediately on a sour stomach I recently had.

Same with my daughter her last visit. She was amazed.

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  mark
January 29, 2020 10:47 pm

Just so all know, some people do better on apple cider vinegar/water and some do better on baking soda/water. This is another guy I follow. He outlines who should take baking soda, who should take Apple cider vinegar. It’s really good information.
Based on this video, I need the vinegar and not the baking soda.
(By the way, baking soda has a lot of sodium so it might not be good for you if you have high blood pressure.)
This is definitely worth watching.

Known Associate
Known Associate
January 28, 2020 8:45 pm

Hey HSF, good stuff and we are blessed to live where a nexus of vectors is unlikely to be encountered. K and I rarely get afflicted unless grand-kids of other peeps wander by. Those little vaccinated virus-shedders!

Peppers, garlic, onions, honey, and all good green things, along with especially zinc and selenium during flu season, not to forget plenty of C, D and sunshine…

Fresh forest air is the best protection.

KA

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Known Associate
January 28, 2020 8:55 pm

Ah zinc and selenium, for sure man. Don’t forget nascent iodine and baking soda….

Treatment Recommendations For New Virus That Is Shutting Down Entire Cities

Vixen Vic
Vixen Vic
  Known Associate
January 29, 2020 11:13 am

You can use blackstrap molasses as well. It’s healthy and safe for those with high blood sugar.
https://www.farmersalmanac.com/12-health-benefits-of-blackstrap-molasses-you-need-to-know-106405

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
January 28, 2020 8:46 pm

I’ve made similar concoctions. Love Mountain Rose Herbs site also. One suggestion, which I have offered before I believe, is after you have crushed the garlic, let it air out for 15 minutes or so. It activates the allicin which is the organic sulfur compound responsible for the anti viral/bacterial/fungal properties. Also, I would use fresh grated ginger and turmeric root instead of dried, both readily available around here at your local Maaaaaket Basket. Can’t find ghost peppers there though, might go to the local asian market for some, wait, nevermind, I’ll stick with the habs and cayennes and poblanos.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
January 28, 2020 9:27 pm

Yesterday I was looking for horseradish root at Sprouts and there was none to be found. I heard there was a horseradish shortage. Would the stuff in a jar work? Sprouts usually has just about any veggie one might need. No one else had any either.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Mary Christine
January 28, 2020 9:41 pm

I can’t stand horseradish, it is so gross to me. It’s not the heat, I love heat. I think the body lets one know what it should not consume.

Donkey
Donkey
  Mary Christine
January 28, 2020 9:46 pm

I had to go to Whole Foods for horseradish. They seran wrap it to keep it fresh.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505
  Donkey
January 28, 2020 10:12 pm

Plant some horse radish and you will have a lifetime supply. Damn stuff will take over if you let it. The only thing worse than horse radish might be sun chokes. That said, both are staples for me and I love them.

That said I am going to whip up a batch. Can’t be any worse than the health care system today.

Thanks for sharing HSF.

Exring
Exring
  oldtimer505
January 29, 2020 8:34 am

Right on, Brother!

Annie
Annie
  oldtimer505
January 29, 2020 9:31 pm

Just make sure that you never, ever, ever, want to grow anything else where you plant horseradish. The roots go down several feet (yes, that is FEET) so it is nearly impossible to get rid of the horseradish once it takes hold. Sun chokes (Jerusalem artichokes) can be gotten rid of with extreme persistence since the roots go down less than a foot. You just have to keep pulling them up by the roots for a couple years or so.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
January 28, 2020 11:27 pm

Natural remedies are potentially effective because they contain actual materials, possible reagents. The author of the linked article makes clear that she uses the word “homeopathy” in a non-standard way. Homeopathy as it is widely promulgated in the US these days is something else. Standard homeopathic “remedies” are designed to ensure that literally none of the original, purportedly beneficial reagent (duck liver or whatever) is contained within the potion being sold because it has been diluted to the point where the odds of even one molecule of the original stuff remaining are infinitesimal. Like, one in a hundred billion infinitesimal. Homeopathic remedies are, in all cases, mere placebos. To call homeopathy “snake oil” would be an insult to snake oil. At least a carnival barker’s “elixir” might have a little alcohol. Again, this is not to denigrate HSF’s recipe, since that’s entirely different than homeopathy as concocted by Samuel Hahnemann and pitched for profit to people without a modicum of math or science knowledge.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
January 29, 2020 6:08 am

I have a friend who works in a local apple vinegar plant and he says the workers there literally never get colds or flu.

Saami Jim
Saami Jim
January 29, 2020 9:14 am

Thanks so much, HSF.
We will make a batch.
We currently make elderberry syrup, also elderberry elixir, and use daily.
Last year was great for foraging elderberries, there appeared to be a bumper crop in our township.

Doug
Doug
January 29, 2020 11:30 am

If you will add sweet wormwood it might work best; The wormwood is a potent anti viral. Look up artemisinin.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505
  Doug
January 29, 2020 11:53 am

Thanks that is good information.

c1ue
c1ue
January 29, 2020 1:32 pm

I’m glad you put in the proviso that it isn’t a cure, but possibly a symptom reliever.
Even disregarding the medieval provenance – as a cure against a bacteria (Black Plague), how this would work against a virus seems extremely unlikely.
However, at least a few of the ingredients used are components in traditional symptom treatments.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  c1ue
January 29, 2020 3:42 pm

I’m a farmer not a researcher. I don’t know how it works I only know that it does work in reducing and in some cases eliminating symptoms of the flu and colds.

There have been all kinds of studies that describe the beneficial antiviral, antifungal, and antibacterial properties of garlic, for example under the heading of phytotherapy.

Last Days of Trumpei (EC)
Last Days of Trumpei (EC)
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 29, 2020 4:09 pm

Iska was talking molecular biology and that’s a fine topic but empirically speaking, alcohol, garlic and hot dogs have the ability to saturate your body so it comes out of your pores and lungs. Viruses might not find your garlic bound hide palatable. If bats can develop an immunity, we can also alter out cellular chemistry to render viruses either unable to penetrate the cell wall or unable to alter the cells’ dna.

I altered my own female attraction quotient with pheromones and cash money. I have the recipe if anybody needs it.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Last Days of Trumpei (EC)
January 29, 2020 8:43 pm

You just gave up the recipe – pheromones and cash money. Not so much saturation with garlic.

TampaRed
TampaRed
  ILuvCO2
January 29, 2020 11:32 pm

it wasn’t the $ or the pheromones,it was the green card–

c1ue
c1ue
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 31, 2020 1:22 pm

Not so much anti-viral, but antifungal and antibacterial, yes.
There are very few things that can even pretend to be able to interfere with a viral infection. Symptom control – to reduce suffering and reduce/eliminate risk of death is actually the primary treatment anyway.

Guest
Guest
January 29, 2020 6:04 pm
Smoke em if you got em
Smoke em if you got em
January 29, 2020 6:15 pm

Colloidal silver in a nebulizer, garlic, at a minimum 10,000 iu of vitamin D for chest colds, flu and other respiratory illnesses. Colloidal silver can be made for pennies yet the mark up is beyond outrageous if you buy it in stores. If they can get away with charging ridiculous amounts it must work. I have had success with colds, cuts, scrapes, bug bites,poison ivy and basal carcinoma.. and most recently on a mole that just showed up about a year ago …. 3 months ago started spraying colloidal silver and it has virtually vanished…… and my skin has not turned blue!

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Smoke em if you got em
January 29, 2020 8:45 pm

Smoke, do you make your own, been doing research on that. Can it be as easy as a few 9V batteries, silver wire, distilled water and a current regulator diode?

mark
mark
  ILuvCO2
January 29, 2020 10:48 pm

ILuvCO2,

All the truly great things are simple.

Can you imagine the countless billions the Medical Industrial Complex (MIC) – kissing double mint cousin to the Military Industrial Complex (they belong to the same evil family) would lose if the masses tried CS and found out how awesome, effective, and safe it really is?

Yea, the mark up is ridicules but I don’t use that much.

How many trolls do you think they employee to keep the uniformed…scared and staying uniformed?

Steve is right about MEOSILVER as far as I can tell as it is the top of the line. But, I had great results with other brands, Sovereign was my go to brand for many years.

I will get off my butt and use the machine and the distilled water I stashed soon.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  mark
January 29, 2020 11:06 pm

Ya Mark, the more they protest and scare, the more I know it is the truth brother (or isn’t).
I’ve used both mesosilver and sovereign and silvercillin in the past and just ordered silverdoc bioactive silver hydrosol (20ppm). But I want to make my own! Did you buy a generator or put together your own system? Anyone else?

James the Deplorable Wanderer
James the Deplorable Wanderer
  ILuvCO2
January 30, 2020 1:06 am

My “system” came from Silver Solutions, but it is dead simple – three 9V batteries in a box. They added a phono jack connector, the phono jack goes to two alligator clips. There’s also a small light bulb so you can see the strength of the batteries when you tap the alligator clips together. All in a black plastic box held together with four corner self-tapping screws.
Use distilled water, chlorine / other additives make contaminants. Use 0.999 or better silver, Sterling silver or plated is a no-go; you can buy silver wire online, or use Silver Eagle coins. Mine looks like this one, but black:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254482396692?ViewItem=&item=254482396692
Here for any questions you may have.

James the Deplorable Wanderer
James the Deplorable Wanderer
  James the Deplorable Wanderer
January 30, 2020 1:17 am

Here is a diagram as well, with a parts list. It is basically what I have, less the light bulb, case, etc.
http://www.endtimesreport.com/Colloidal_Silver_Generator.html

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  James the Deplorable Wanderer
January 30, 2020 8:34 am

Looks pretty simple, thanks James. Think I will try it with a couple of silver eagles. Would be a bit leery that the silver wire came from China, and thus have contaminants.

22winmag - TBP's top-secret Jew
22winmag - TBP's top-secret Jew
January 30, 2020 5:12 am

Drinking that formula will certainly make your body very inhospitable to viruses and microbes.

Something to wash down vitamin D and Optizinc with.