Over the past few days, the mainstream press has vigorously pushed back against a theory about the origins of the coronavirus that has now infected as many as 70,000+ people in Wuhan alone (depending on whom you believe). The theory is that China obtained the coronavirus via a Canadian research program, and started molding it into a bioweapon at the Institute of Virology in Wuhan. Politifact pointed the finger at Zero Hedge, in particular, though the story was widely shared across independent-leaning media.
The theory is that the virus, which was developed by infectious disease experts may have originated in the Wuhan-based lab of Dr. Peng Zhou, China’s preeminent researcher of bat immune systems, specifically in how their immune systems adapt to the presence of viruses like coronavirus and other destructive viruses. Somehow, the virus escaped from the lab, and the Hunan fish market where the virus supposedly originated is merely a ruse.
Now, a respected epidemiologist who recently caught flack for claiming in a twitter threat that the virus appeared to be much more contagious than initially believed is pointing out irregularities in the virus’s genome that suggests it might have been genetically engineered for the purposes of a weapon, and not just any weapon but the deadliest one of all.
In “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag“, Indian researchers are baffled by segments of the virus’s RNA that have no relation to other coronaviruses like SARS, and instead appear to be closer to HIV. The virus even responds to treatment by HIV medications.
For those pressed for time, here are the key findings from the paper, which first focuses on the unique nature of 2019-nCoV, and then observe four amino acid sequences in the Wuhan Coronavirus which are homologous to amino acid sequences in HIV1:
Our phylogentic tree of full-length coronaviruses suggests that 2019-nCoV is closely related to SARS CoV [Fig1].
In addition, other recent studies have linked the 2019-nCoV to SARS CoV. We therefore compared the spike glycoprotein sequences of the 2019-nCoV to that of the SARS CoV (NCBI Accession number: AY390556.1). On careful examination of the sequence alignment we found that the 2019- nCoV spike glycoprotein contains 4 insertions [Fig.2]. To further investigate if these inserts are present in any other corona virus, we performed a multiple sequence alignment of the spike glycoprotein amino acid sequences of all available coronaviruses (n=55) [refer Table S.File1] in NCBI refseq (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) this includes one sequence of 2019-nCoV[Fig.S1]. We found that these 4 insertions [inserts 1, 2, 3 and 4] are unique to 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses analyzed. Another group from China had documented three insertions comparing fewer spike glycoprotein sequences of coronaviruses . Another group from China had documented three insertions comparing fewer spike glycoprotein sequences of coronaviruses (Zhou et al., 2020).
We then translated the aligned genome and found that these inserts are present in all Wuhan 2019-nCoV viruses except the 2019-nCoV virus of Bat as a host [Fig.S4]. Intrigued by the 4 highly conserved inserts unique to 2019-nCoV we wanted to understand their origin. For this purpose, we used the 2019-nCoV local alignment with each insert as query against all virus genomes and considered hits with 100% sequence coverage. Surprisingly, each of the four inserts aligned with short segments of the Human immunodeficiency Virus-1 (HIV-1) proteins. The amino acid positions of the inserts in 2019-nCoV and the corresponding residues in HIV-1 gp120 and HIV-1 Gag are shown in Table 1.
The first 3 inserts (insert 1,2 and 3) aligned to short segments of amino acid residues in HIV-1 gp120. The insert 4 aligned to HIV-1 Gag. The insert 1 (6 amino acid residues) and insert 2 (6 amino acid residues) in the spike glycoprotein of 2019-nCoV are 100% identical to the residues mapped to HIV-1 gp120. The insert 3 (12 amino acid residues) in 2019- nCoV maps to HIV-1 gp120 with gaps [see Table 1]. The insert 4 (8 amino acid residues) maps to HIV-1 Gag with gaps.
Why do the authors think the virus may be man-made? Because when looking at the above insertions which are not present in any of the closest coronavirus families, “it is quite unlikely for a virus to have acquired such unique insertions naturally in a short duration of time.” Instead, they can be found in cell identification and membrane binding proteins located in the HIV genome.
Since the S protein of 2019-nCoV shares closest ancestry with SARS GZ02, the sequence coding for spike proteins of these two viruses were compared using MultiAlin software. We found four new insertions in the protein of 2019-nCoV- “GTNGTKR” (IS1), “HKNNKS” (IS2), “GDSSSG” (IS3) and “QTNSPRRA” (IS4) (Figure 2). To our surprise, these sequence insertions were not only absent in S protein of SARS but were also not observed in any other member of the Coronaviridae family (Supplementary figure). This is startling as it is quite unlikely for a virus to have acquired such unique insertions naturally in a short duration of time.
The insertions were observed to be present in all the genomic sequences of 2019-nCoV virus available from the recent clinical isolates. To know the source of these insertions in 2019-nCoV a local alignment was done with BLASTp using these insertions as query with all virus genome. Unexpectedly, all the insertions got aligned with Human immunodeficiency Virus-1 (HIV-1). Further analysis revealed that aligned sequences of HIV-1 with 2019-nCoV were derived from surface glycoprotein gp120 (amino acid sequence positions: 404-409, 462-467, 136-150) and from Gag protein (366-384 amino acid) (Table 1). Gag protein of HIV is involved in host membrane binding, packaging of the virus and for the formation of virus-like particles. Gp120 plays crucial role in recognizing the host cell by binding to the primary receptor CD4.This binding induces structural rearrangements in GP120, creating a high affinity binding site for a chemokine co-receptor like CXCR4 and/or CCR5.
And some visuals, which lead the paper authors to conclude that “this structural change might have also increased the range of host cells that 2019-nCoV can infect”:
3D modelling of the protein structure displayed that these insertions are present at the binding site of 2019-nCoV. Due to the presence of gp120 motifs in 2019-nCoV spike glycoprotein at its binding domain, we propose that these motif insertions could have provided an enhanced affinity towards host cell receptors. Further, this structural change might have also increased the range of host cells that 2019-nCoV can infect. To the best of our knowledge, the function of these motifs is still not clear in HIV and need to be explored. The exchange of genetic material among the viruses is well known and such critical exchange highlights the risk and the need to investigate the relations between seemingly unrelated virus families.
A good recap of the findings was provided by Dr. Feigl-Ding, who started his explanatory thread by pointing out that the transmission rate outside China has surpassed the rate inside China.
A graph is worth a thousand letters. #coronavirus. Source: NYTimes https://t.co/M1K9e6Kgz6 pic.twitter.com/evgM2UHf3U
— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 31, 2020
2) Whoa- the rate of increase ***outside of China*** is steeper than inside of China or Wuhan! Figure 1A. From: @TheLancet “Nowcasting and forecasting the potential domestic and international spread of 2019-nCoV https://t.co/SwhxWGeoTj”) pic.twitter.com/u1s4SLEzMv
— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 31, 2020
3) “An estimated 75815 individuals have been infected in Wuhan” —> this is substantially higher than current reports or ~10k reports by China ?? media. (75k estimate from above Lancet article)
— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 31, 2020
4) …”On the present trajectory, 2019-nCoV could be about to become a global epidemic in the absence of mitigation…substantial, even draconian measures that limit population mobility should be seriously and immediately considered in affected areas…” ?
— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 31, 2020
But the ‘smoking gun’ in this case are pieces of the virus’s genetic code that Indian researchers, led by Prashant Pradhan at the Indian Institute of Technology, found may have been ’embedded’ from HIV, which belongs to an entirely different family of viruses.
9. BOTTOMLINE: 1) Seafood market not the source. 2) This RNA #coronavirus mutates really fast. 3) ? has unusual middle segment never seen before in any coronavirus. 4) Not from recent mixing. 5) That mystery middle segment encodes protein responsible for entry into host cells.
— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 28, 2020
To be sure, Dr. Feigl-Ding insists that he’s not trying to promote any ‘conspiracies’ about the virus being a bioweapon developed by the Chinese, although it is difficult to find a proper name for what appears to be an artificial, weaponized virus.
10. TO BE CLEAR: I am absolutely not saying it’s bioengineering, nor am I supporting any conspiracy theories with no evidence. I’m simply saying scientists need to do more research + get more data. And finding the origin of the virus is an important research priority. Goodnight? pic.twitter.com/N4Yp2H8Tst
— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) January 28, 2020
Another doctor chimed in with what he thought was a solid explanation for the virus’s irregularities…
Dr. @ARanganathan72 might explain. https://t.co/zfOynizRJ6
— Shankara (@fondoflinux) January 31, 2020
Sure. 2019-nCoV is a +ve strand RNA virus that enters human cell and first encodes its RNA-replicase to make -ve stranded RNA that serves a template to make +ve strand RNA that is then translated for daughter nCoV. Drugs Lopinavir and Remdesivir target its protease and replicase.
— Anand Ranganathan (@ARanganathan72) January 31, 2020
…Until he realized something disturbing.
Oh my god. Indian scientists have just found HIV (AIDS) virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov virus that are not found in any other coronavirus. They hint at the possibility that this Chinese virus was designed [“not fortuitous’]. Scary if true. https://t.co/h6xPX1gYvj pic.twitter.com/kCpd1I00uE
— Anand Ranganathan (@ARanganathan72) January 31, 2020
“Scary”… but relax, it’s just another ridiculous “conspiracy.”
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They are forcing us to all become gay and lesbian…..once you have HIV, like everyone else, why not try it, is their thoughts…..
Sounds like a typical Chinese fuck up. If you saw how they manage their oil field operations you’d understand how something like this isn’t just probable, but inevitable.
The issue with these guys and their management structure regarding anything serious is that they are so incredibly discretized. Those on the ground responsible for doing things only know their tiny piece in the giant puzzle and rarely know not only what the other pieces do or how different pieces fit and work together, but don’t know that these other pieces even exist.
Those responsible for ensuring all the pieces work together are often many levels above the people on the ground, and in some far away city, and are always “busy”. Executives are highly removed from the action on the ground and the Chinese cultural impetus is to push only positive information up the chain of command, with many opportunities to edit said information along the way. So, it is no wonder the chinks don’t move into action until events are well into FUBAR level.
And yeah, I read the Steve Jobs story about how the plastic iSpy touchscreen got easily scratched and the chinks figured out that it should be replaced with something that didn’t scratch so easily (duh). But, what I couldn’t believe is that it took 3,000 engineers two weeks to figure that out (42,000 man-hours). This is the scale that it takes to get even simple things done with the Chinese, and now they have a situation where collective efforts can easily prove fatal, so these guys are fucked big time.
We have our problems here, but the chink model of inflexibility, absolute command control, and zero improvisation on the ground is NOT the solution unless one is truly bent on enslaving humanity and completely denuding the planet within the next 30 years.
One sign that things are truly out of control will be when convoys of dump trucks begin entering Wuhan. That will mean the casualty rate is much higher than the rate at which the crematoriums can operate and the Chinese will resort to dumping and burning bodies in landfills like the Angolan authorities did just after the Jan 1993 4 day Civil War in Luanda. Satellite imaging can pick that up.
Biological weapons are not necessarily designed to kill, they are more often designed to incapacitate an enemy. The more living cases there are, the more potential vectors there are, and thus the more living cases there are on and on. Plus, the more sick enemy there are the more resources get used up caring for the sick rather than fighting. Like in old days when the victor would cut off a prisoner’s right thumb and let him go, or a modern day biological toe-tapper.
Huutsi vs tutsi or whateverthefuck in africa. Cut off the enemys hands. Cant take ca re of yourself with no hands
Caesar did the same thing, cut off their hands and let them go, as a warning to other resisters.
Is it mostly true, what they say about this virus, or mostly false? No way for the average mutt to rate reporting on DNA sequencing, or on what is happening in far-removed places. Lots and lots of evidence that information and propaganda are carefully used by governments all over the globe to induce us mutts to do things we would not otherwise do. Lots and lots of evidence that a great many people would not be sad to see a lot of people (especially old people) die quickly and no longer require maintenance or upkeep.
The powers-that-be will do anything to keep what they have, and get what they want. Never forget that fact. They would prefer your cooperation. They would also prefer that you keep working, to keep the global machine working. So this virus is probably more propagandistic scam than anything, but it might be a little bit bad, just enough to make us mutts do what they want.
Propaganda scam ? If this spreads at even half the rate Chris Martenson ( RO 4.08) is reporting then we all be ******.
Also Chinese cities are easy to lock down due to homogeneity and low to no crime , but wut about muh diversity cities ? Martial law ?
Ordo Ab Chao ?
Why The White House Just Declared A National Health Emergency
why not wait a week and two? It will turn out a non-event. Many doomsters with their subscription services making a killing now with spreading panic.
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it!!
What says you FUCK????
FYI, I’m long past of giving a FUCK!!!!
Sounds like we could be really fucked here , so while congress and senate screw around impeaching Trump to protect Hillary and Biden we as a population could start dropping like flies
Zero Hedge was kicked off Twitter two or three hours after they published the info about the HIV genes in the novel coronavirus (although for a different stated reason).
permanently banned now.
Seriously? I’ve been offline… is this that sensitive an issue?
YES
MG and Niebo- Can’t say some of us haven’t warned for years about the elites thinning the population with all manner of evil shit.
Well, I did just watch a pretty good video about why societies collapse… War, Disease and Famine in varying combinations seems to be a common recipe.
Magoo- When Commodus came to power after his father’s death, a plague killed over 5 MILLION Romans or roughly one third of the population. It can get much worse Mags. The Roman army was decimated also.
Vitriolic angels have been pouring out plagues upon humans for a very long time.
I’ve been studying some history too.
My son is on his way here. I may spray him with Thieves essential oil and rinse his clothes in borax just to make myself feel better.
If he traveled by plane, prolly not a bad idea.
burn them.
wait. did I say that out loud?
The Hedge implied the coronavirus might have been intentionally modified by a Chinese researcher studying sick, asymptomatic bats, then put a face to a name with loads of circumstantial facts.
The Chinese officials have very little mercy for major mistakes like this and, if true, this guy is already in a hole six feet under – after handing over all his research and singing like a bird to Party officials before he met an unfortunate workplace accident.
Also this interview by Del Bigtree (producer of Vaxxed):
This interview beat the ZH article to publication by a few hours but, due to his ongoing study, DOES NOT mention HIV but that the genome has “markers” of an “insert” . . .
interview starts at 23 minutes.
I watched the documentary “One Child Nation” available on Amazon Prime and I have got to tell you I have had to re-evaluate the meaning of the word inscrutable.
I thought it meant “hard to read.”
I think it means “cannot be read.”
Have the Chinese people ever lived under anything other than Monarchy (Empire) or Communism?
No.
Why are Americans begging to join them in their misery? Go Bernie/Commie
Just your moniker is reassuring, Bea.
EC- If this coronavirus should get you too (God forbid), there will be no more BOHICANS……
But there will still be BROHICANS. We aren’t all going to die, it will accelerate the attrition of boomers but a generation that survived marihuana, acid, heroin, coke and disco can’t be eradicated easily, we ain’t soy.
I once went to lunch with some Chinese geophysical researchers from our Chinese parent company Sinopec and the conversation turned to our kids. Our Chinese guests each proudly described their child’s achievements like all parents do. Then I began talking about my younger 3 kids. About two minutes in, one of our guests interrupts me nearly in tears, and in his best English began to describe how incredibly lucky I was that I could have more than one child. The whole rest of the lunch was very sombre, and I hadn’t realized just how crushing this one child policy was on the Chinese until that day.
And these guys started the lunch very excited since we were eating at Yao Ming’s restaurant (remember him?). It was like a rainy day at Disneyland for these guys.
wow
hyper- So explain to me exactly why we Americans sat around in an insouciant state and LET TPTB send them OUR jobs, OUR companies/industries, allow the Chinese to buy up our farmland and food supply, while WE paid for our own demise buying MADE in CHINA goods?
WHO should really be sniveling/crying in their lunch plate? Hhmmmm
I was merely describing an experience I had. If you want to know why TPTB sent so much wealth to east asia, ask them. I don’t know.
But I agree that during my entire life there has been an unrelenting and undeniable effort by TPTB to transfer wealth and influence from the West to the East (Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, China, Philippines, SE Asia, India in that order).
My theory is that China made some sort of deal with the Bank of International Settlements in order to gain entry into the World Trade Organization but they have since reneged on those promises (as all chinks do – they are chronic liars and outright thieves). Trump was conscripted and MAGA constructed to deal with these broken promises, as the MAGA focus is on China and there is nothing mentioned ever about the financial control structure of the BIS / Central Bank nexus. Again, a theory.
Oh please, learn to think like a capitalist. In the US there are regulations out the ass, unions, OSHA and taxes and environmental concerns that cost boat loads of money to comply with. China destroyed it’s environment, used slave labor and was pretty wide open as far as manufacturing was concerned. It was much cheaper to go to China than to manufacture in the US.
So, what should those individual insouciant citizens have done? Ever stood in front of a steam roller?
The big shots of course have two, three, four kids. Some pigs are just more equal.
They publish all kinds of things.
Zactly how did they determine that poast was the one that broak the twatterverse?
If this is truly a weoponized virus then all the folks that are running this show are already vaccinated. The second thing is there will be no way to stop it from burning through the population. Our only defense will be what ever natural resistance we may have to the virus.
Hitler, stalin, mao, and God knows what other psychopaths would be proud to have these folks on his team if this is truly man made from jump street. This thing is beginning to walk like a duck, look like a duck, sound like a duck and fart like a duck. So maybe it is a duck. Who knows and in the end what can you do about it.
Now I am going back to work on something more productive than this because there is nothing I can do about this crap.
here’s my crazy theory. the chinese stole the virus (as reported) and re-engineered it for contagion and severity effects. virulence, asymptomatic infectiousness are the trail to follow for proof, as well as these insertions of HIV dna. next they devoloped a vaccine and stockpiled HIV retrovirus drugs for their own population. they have already announced a vaccine to “test” and about a week ago i read that they were treating patients wirh AIDs meds. they then released onto their own people, one month before the heavy travel season, infecting their targets abroad. they contaminated their own people first first to avoid motive blame for bioweapon warfare. their consciensceless leadership would also have no problem sacrificing some of their own to obliterate their enemy. Sun-Tzuish.
I think this was the plot in the original PC game Deus Ex
This was my comment on the Brandon Smith article of a few days ago:
“Global pandemic, whether a natural event or deliberately engineered, actually serves the purposes of the globalist establishment in a number of ways. First and foremost, it is a superb distraction.”
So, admittedly something like what we’re experiencing with the coronavirus “serves the purposes of the globalist establishment” –let’s dig into the particulars of which arm of said globalists and for what greater purpose:
The real reason for the coronavirus
“The Chinese Communist Party has no solution for HK protestors that have occurred daily for the past eight months. The usual Marxist means of dealing with dissidents – squashing them with tanks, wasn’t an option with the eyes of the world on HK and China with a newfound reputation to maintain to the naive West.
Hence, this… virus psy op is being used as a pretense to build “quarantine” centers in HK, manned by the PLA, to deal with this “virus” (aka dissent, which is spreading to the mainland as well).
This is why:
The planes into our countries from China never stopped (they know it’s bullshit but are too scared to call the Communist bullshit artists out on it because that would be bad for business and their “Bankster” overlords have warned them not to).
The Chinese are “confident” that the virus will peak ten days from now (just enough time to establish their detention centres in HK and force the slaves back to work.)”
So this coronavirus will off the HK protests which have spilled into mainland China
Missed your comment at the Smith article, but am amazed how “on the same page” some of us are: this virus is a “solution” a lot of problems, in China and the world.
That’s the ticket, destroy the economy to punish Hong Kong protesters.
The Chinese are now complaining about the suspension of air travel and border closures. Another city has been quarantined and the Chinese have said they will suspend taxation of face masks, ford and chevy ambulances and disinfectants which come from the USA. The Chinese cannot afford to have this virus outbreak last too long. No mention of how or where the quarantined millions are getting food.
If one would ask who benefits via the virus in China? Try Washington.
“China’s anger towards the world for closing borders, trade, and flights as a “devil virus” persists, is likely driven by the fact that its economy could implode if the shutdown is prolonged.”
I wondered if they would resort to supply drops like the Berlin airlift. In any case, it isn’t something that can be done for too long and certainly not for several cities at once. They will be fighting a war on such a grand scale that we can not expect the world to remain the same much longer.
Those who think this is a Chinese problem are kidding themselves. We have lost the slave labor that lets us enjoy cheap goods. China is the reason we have cell phones and mid level brand shoes, clothing, tools and hardware. Cheap good let us pretend we are middle class. In fact, the rich are so far ahead that I can say the middle class is a block or two ahead of the poor while the rich are 50 miles ahead of us.
We are going to hear the inflated clowns on tv explaining how the USA cannot sink .
Xactly. But who benefits from a worldwide contagion?
Try NWO
Credit,
Now THAT would be so.e crazy shit right there. If true, this event would rank right up there with dinosaurs extinction.
Also addresses the food issue in China, that, due to swine flu and solar minimum weather chaos, THEY cannot feed their own people.
China has a rather new population issue, I’m betting.
Since the “one child” was preferred to be male and many female babies were aborted or abandoned so that sterilization would not be forced, China now has a population skewed 70% male with a shortage of women.
Now, China has a Two Child Policy.
With this catastrophic contagion, they may need to get rid of the Family Planning Council altogether.
This MAY be some deep “woo-woo”, but . . . you have heard that men tend to be more susceptible to this, right?
“We observed a greater number of men than women in the 99 cases of 2019-nCoV infection. MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV have also been found to infect more males than females.”
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30211-7/fulltext
The subjects’ average age was 55, BUT if the trend continues throughout the population(s) . . . how might that benefit a “skewed male” society?
Too many numbers and too much biology for the average person. Is it or is not a biologically engineered weapon?
it is quacking like a duck…
Amen, We may never know!
Oldie, the numbers and biology are offered so that you may draw your own conclusion. The rapidly mutating virus appears to have elements found in the aids virus. Big Red exposed this story last week – days before we heard anything similar in the media. She said the virus had been bio engineered to carry an aids payload. I joked that it would require a multiple reentry penile vehicle but apparently that is not the case. Today, the aids virus does not need sexual contact, it can be transmitted just like the common cold.
Love ya little brother but….AIDs is spread via body fluids and not aerosolized (air) transmission. The novel corona virus seems to be man-made rather than naturally occurring in nature.
HOW HIV SPREADS
HIV is found in blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum), vaginal fluid, rectal fluid, and breast milk. HIV spreads when one of these fluids from a person who has HIV enters the body of a person who does not. Some of the ways this can happen are through:
Anal, oral, or vaginal sex
Needles, syringes, or other injection equipment
Pregnancy, childbirth, or breastfeeding
Small amounts of blood spread during
deep kissing or oral sex—extremely rare
Let me say this real slow – the novel corona virus, as you noted, is an aids carrier. It does not require all those vehicles you listed.
wtf is deep kissing, uvula tickling?
No, the virus doesn’t carry AIDs and transmit AIDs, the HIV virus was possibly used to splice with the other viral components. Now there’s a question as to the validity of the HIV findings but from the original article:
“Now, a respected epidemiologist who recently caught flack for claiming in a twitter threat that the virus appeared to be much more contagious than initially believed is pointing out irregularities in the virus’s genome that suggests it might have been genetically engineered for the purposes of a weapon, and not just any weapon but the deadliest one of all.
In “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag”, Indian researchers are baffled by segments of the virus’s RNA that have no relation to other coronaviruses like SARS, and instead appear to be closer to HIV. The virus even responds to treatment by HIV medications.”
However, If the novel cornona virus does indeed spread AIDS then anyone who gets it is FUBAR!
As to deep kissing, well, shoving one’s tongue down another’s throat would be a possibility and if said kissing and oral sex leads to bleeding, whooo, you be with the WRONG person.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon
Slow but this doctor explains the HIV splice in the corona virus….the HIV helps with making infection easier and messes up white blood cells, makes the virus more latent thus remaining in the body longer and compromising the immune system. The HIV would also down-regulate the t-cells so, the immune system is being seriously compromised.
body fluids become aerosolized transmissions sometimes. diahrrea is common in coronaviruses and 2020 nCoV has now been detected in patient feces. a SARS patient in 2003 was believed to have infected up to 200 people from his aerosolized plume of diahrrea vapors.
aerosolized plume of diahrrea vapors
Silent but deadly
Talk about a stink bomb!
Fascinating top shelf science but the question I have is does Lysol (TM) work against it or will there be no visits to Walmart plus zero Chinese take out for the foreseeable future?
they’ve probably rigged the virus to resist disinfection. don’t forget Lysol only kills 99% of germs.
(sarc if it’s not obvious}
Here is a pdf for how to disinfect for corona virus…
Informations essentiel ici / most useful info. Merci beaucoup / thank you.
Soap, water, bleach, chlorhexidine, hydrogen peroxide (7%) and any other anti-viral disinfectants. You must wash hard surfaces and then disinfect, dirt will inhibit disinfection. Use disposable rags or paper towels or the disinfecting wipes.
A little lengthy but since it’s from AC who is a biologist it’s worth noting:
Corona virus has multiple HIV gene segments inserted in it, in a way that seems unlikely to have happened by chance. From the study:
There is an alternate theory linked below which argues this could be natural.
What this is saying is that on the surface of the virus is a protein, like a little boulder. That boulder will grab and hold onto another boulder on the surface of a human cell, because of positive and negative charges on its surface that grab perfectly positioned opposite charges on the other, as well as oil-oil (hydrophobic-hydrophobic) and water-water (hydrophillic-hydrophillic) interactions at other sites, all of which will pull those two boulders together when they get close. If those positive and negative charges and oil and water-liking areas are not in the right place in 3D space, the boulders will not “fit” right and not grab each other. The boulder is produced from a gene by machinery that goes down the gene, reading it. As it reads each segment of the gene, it grabs a corresponding specific amino acid building block (like a link on a chain), with a specific charge and oil/water property to it, and it attaches it to a long chain of these building blocks being produced by the gene. When the machinery is finished producing the entire chain, the chain will spontaneously fold up into a knot, which is the boulder. The shape of the folded up knot of the chain is produced by the specific charges and oil/water interactions unique to each link. Oil like and water-like links will pull together like a drop of oil pulling together in water, as positive and negative charges on other links pull them together, and like charges repel each other, producing the exact same folding pattern and shape each time. Once the knot is folded, the shape is standardized, as is the place in 3D space of each charge and oil/water interacting segment on the outside. What this is saying is, if this just picked up 4 random HIV gene-parts corresponding to the HIV-binding structure somehow, they might have ended up randomly placed inside the knot, and not helping the virus to grab onto a human cell. They might have ended up on the part of the knot on the inside of the virus shell, and unable to grab onto anything outside the virus. Or they could have all been on the outside, but in the wrong positions in 3D space to form the exact “key,” the binding motif, that would exactly fit the human protein “lock” that is the boulder on the outside of the human cell. But none of that happened. Somehow, in that long chain of amino acid building blocks, 4 sequences coding for specific building blocks from an HIV virus, that worked together, were all placed in exactly the right places in the chain, so when that chain folded up, they all were exposed in the exact right place in 3D space, on the outside of the viral shell, to grab the human cell.
If altered artificially, it is more difficult than it sounds, because in a virus, each of those boulders has that outside part, which they altered, but it is also very important that when you alter that part of the knot on the outside, how it folds the structure does not affect the rest of the knot, because the “sides” of the knot have very specific charge and oil/water structures that are designed to attract each other, which cause the “shell” of the virus to spontaneously self-assemble, with shell “boulders” binding around the virus’ DNA, and linking side to side with other such boulders into a shell. There is no factory in the cell that assembles the virus from its genome and all the shell protein segments that form the “capsid” shell. Each part of the virus is burned off by the DNA machinery, and each part needs to fold up into exactly the right knot conformation (both the genome and the capsid shell proteins), each capsid shell knot needs to grab a specific charge/oil on the outside of the genome, and then each shell knot needs to pull the other specific parts of specific knots around it based on each having the right arrangement of charges and oil/water motifs in 3D space. If you take a very precisely engineered knot, like the one they are saying is changed, and you insert 4 segments of chain into its chain, they can easily grab in the wrong place and alter how everything else folds, and throw off the spontaneously folding aspect of the knot, which will then produce a boulder which doesn’t bind to all the things it needs to bind to.
What this study alleges would require a very sophisticated lab which was able to feed potential genetic sequences into a computer, and virtually model the “chain” produced, factor in the oil/charge aspects of each link in 3D space, model exactly how it would fold up, examine how the outside binding site was structured when folded, examine how the boulder would fit against the genome and other boulders, and then alter the sequences to alter various links, look at the changes, and repeat until you found a boulder structure which bound to everything exactly right. Then you’d have to synthesize the DNA sequences nucleotide by nucleotide, put it inside a cultured living cell so it could hijack the cell machinery and begin producing more genomes and shell proteins, and self-assembling full viruses, which you would then use to try and infect a living cell, and then you would probably run it for a few generations in living cells, harvesting viruses and re-infecting cells, hopefully just in culture. But if this was done in China, you could assume they grabbed prisoners from the jails, probably Falun Gong or political enemies, and they infected them, quarantined them, and harvested viruses from the ones who were most aggressively ravaged after they died. That it is perfectly designed to infect a cell that more prevalent in Asians would make me think that could be what happened. It would also make me think they would learn from this, and in the future either kidnap Caucasians, or find Caucasians to imprison for crimes, so they can use them instead of the local population. They may start soon, because they may have a whole library of pathogens they have been engineering and culturing this way, with everything from engineered Ebola to engineered Smallpox, and everything in between, which they are now thinking may only serve to depopulate their own country, while leaving the West entirely unscathed in any war scenario. If I was whatever small part of Western Intelligence is still opposed to Cabal and feels protective of the West in any way, or Russian Intelligence, I would look very closely for any Caucasians, probably from smaller countries with less political pull, maybe former Eastern Bloc, but any really, who disappear in Asia, or get imprisoned for crimes in China and die while in prison. I’d bet we also see Africans disappear from places where PRC is operative, like Sudan, but they may not be trackable. About the only thing you could do is try to uncover and publicize any case to shame the PRC and make them hesitant about grabbing up Caucasians to use as guinea pigs in their biowarfare programs, or maybe detect and interdict any operations to grab up westerners visiting that region and publicly expose them. If you could penetrate the Cabal surveillance networks which seem to permeate every country over there, it would be a good start.
If this was engineered and cultured in China’s prison populace, it was a huge own-goal by China, but it may be as much a bonus for them as a loss, as they now know their entire bioweapons program may have been producing Asian specific pathogens that would do more damage to them than their enemies. Now they know to take measures to perform this task more effectively in the future by using Caucasians and Caucasian cell cultures to culture their viruses. It is a shame. It would have been amazing to see them try to unleash something like this in a World War III, only to depopulate their entire continent.
On the downside for China, we now do have a Chinese-specific bioweapon we could develop and unleash, if we chose, as well as an incredible insight into a biological vulnerability of Asians which will allow us to specifically target our own bioweapons so they could depopulate China, while leaving our own populations entirely unscathed. That is a huge, huge loss for China, who may have just lost the bioweapon war entirely in one stupid accidental release.
Another article makes the case that the correlations could be natural. The case is these are small, short sequences which could just have evolved naturally, and they are not targeting the exact same protein as in humans. There are a lot of variable which are unknown, and which could explain away how this happened naturally. We do not even know what it evolved to infect in the wild, or how it went about doing it, if it was a wild virus. But if you have a weapons lab there, this thing was already suspected of being a possible leak, and the computer kicks out multiple commonalities with a single known, highly effective human pathogen, rather than some other animal pathogen, I tend to think it is not unreasonable go with the first study’s conclusion as more likely, while filing away that the second interpretation is not impossible. I still think, if I was making a virus, and needed a positively charged motif to insert somewhere to bind something I would use a human virus sequence for the template, and if I needed four such templates, I would not take one from each of four different viruses I picked on the fly. I would take them from the same virus I was familiar with working with from previous work. Additionally, these segments were not random matches with random parts of the virus genome. It was four matches, to one virus, and all were from the very small segment of important functional parts of the virus that relate to receptor targeting, ie the small parts at the tip of the protein spike outside the virus, which you would change if you were trying to optimize it. Notice also, you probably cannot make a good argument for coevolution, given he says these sequences are not even conserved among HIV sequences. As for there being slight differences in one sequence, this would have been run against real cells for a few generations, so expecting it to tweak itself is not unreasonable. You can’t rule out option random chance, as there are too many unknowns in the exact path this took, starting with the reservoir species. It would be interesting to see if anybody at the Chinese Umbrella Corporation had worked with HIV or studied something similar and would have read the paper, and known the ins and outs of that virus’ docking proteins, and the specific motifs in them. Who there, when they think to themselves, “If only I had a positively charged alpha helix to stick here,” might be familiar with the alpha helix on that HIV binding site?
Yikes. Again from AC:
Ron is 8kun Board Admin. Half Asian.
Stephen king novel come to life
Channeling my inner Farmer, I doubt this may be a Chinese-specific pathogen. That’s a stretch. Sure, there are viruses that only infect animals or only birds but going on to say that the Chinese are a different species from the human race is crazy.
What starts out as a scientific explanation about virus-building goes on to develop a theory about kidnapping and mad scientists performing experiments on living victims. Not that we haven’t done so in the past with syphilis and possibly aids research.
Shit, I do not need some biologist fucker to invent crackpot theories, I can come up with my own and they don’t need a deus ex machina like bats or wombats to infect only Chinese people. It could be they released the virus accidentally with bats from the lab sold in the street. It could be they infected several test subjects to conduct an experiment on the spread of the disease, doing it during the Chinese New Year celebrations was just a stroke of genius. Since the population is monitored by the state, this could be the world’s first large scale controlled experiment.
Extrapolating from this, we could imagine a time when the USA, under state control via electronic devices, could deploy bio-weapons to eliminate anti-government factions inside the country.
Right before news of the virus broke out I had a very strange and disturbing dream. I was in a courtyard and looking up in the sky I saw a circle of crows, they flew in the circle and their wings formed strange symbols. The flock then flew to the ground and one large crow flew very close to me, his back was speckled with white feces and I could see his eye staring at me as he flew by. I reached out to catch him but couldn’t.
So, I had a vague sense of dis-ease when I awoke but time passed and I thought no more of the dream until news of the novel corona virus started leaking out. There were eight crows in the circle, I looked up the dream symbol…grief and sorrow…
Nothing that hydrogen peroxide or bleach cant fix.
Or Colloidal Silver, or massive amounts of garlic.
Shit…this is how I’m starting to feel! (That’s me with the glue).
Impossible for us non-experts to understand how serious this is. Ron Paul (a doctor), Gerald Celente, and others claim it’s all blown out of proportion. “A 2% death rate, mostly seniors. Not much worse than the common flu. So what?” But Martenson, a pathologist, and other experts in the field seem to be almost in a panic. “Extremely high Ro implies hundreds of millions of infections. Imagine if it mutates to get more deadly. We’re in deep trouble.” Then there’s the possibility this was engineered, which may imply it’s designed to get a lot worse. And the Chinese are likely hiding its true extent; why panic and shut off all travel and build huge new hospitals, if there’s nothing to worry about? Very frustrating to have no idea how seriously to take this.
“Impossible for us non-experts to understand how serious this is.”
It’s serious, asshole. People are dying. No need for your cavalier attitude.
EC – But Herbie said…
Old Pangloss-Herbie’s dead.
Your attempts to piss people off are pathetic.
Yes, you did quite well on FF. My hat’s off to you, sir.
Bob, mind if I call you Bob?, I owe you an apology but I won’t apologize since that is not the TBP way. Instead, I will share a bit of advice – you can be a hero one day and the very next day you can become a zero. Don’t sweat it. People who downvote you are probably hitting you with low voltage. If they seriously did not like your comment, they would hit you with something vicious and call you and asshole and stuff. But they would never call you late for dinner or refuse to cross the street to piss on you if you were on fire. Capisce?
My issue about this virus is how quiet the MSM has actually been – remember Zika? How many people actually caught it BUT how much did you hear about it? Bird Flu before that? “Deadly” measles?
But two thins the MSM has been relatively quiet about: the awful harvest(s) of 2019, of corn, potatoes, and beans in the US (and corn elsewhere, including China, thanks to the army worm) and this virus.
When there are no n-95 masks within a hundred miles of NYC, we got a problem. But the widespread, er, spread of this virus is not a problem . . . IF it is actually a solution.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7944533/Student-trapped-Wuhan-doesnt-know-shell-starve-death-die-virus-first.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490
New video showing bodies in ambulance and now statements about how bodies were carried directly to the crematorium from the hospital which means that the death toll could be very understated….
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/corpses-taken-directly-crematorium-new-accounts-wuhans-fifth-hospital-detail
While worry is not a plan, I am finding it hard to carry on with normal life. This is terrifying.
“Scary”… but relax, it’s just another ridiculous “conspiracy.”
In addition to your excellent sense of humor, you are also a very caring person and one of my favorite people here. I agree with you Iska, I have communicated to my kids – what would you do if you had one month to live? Do that.
I’m torn between telling them the most horrifying possibility and not telling them anything yet. They’re not totally unaware, but my initially bringing it up was causing panic, so I’ve decided to dial it back for now. I’m also making arrangements to hunker down, and also to be able to bug out to a remote area. For the next couple of days I’m trying to limit my worrying and doom prep to 10% of my time and use the rest for a combination of prayer and continuing on as though nothing were any different. I can’t do anything helpful if I go insane.
Speculating this is a race-specific virus is like imagining back then that aids was a gay-specific virus. One positive action Trumpy took was to deny entry to people who have been in infected areas and quarantining citizens coming from those areas. This might help in managing the spread of the virus.
Good word. We may control how we react, but over certain “acts” we have no control whatsoever.
Worry is counterproductive. Create a plan, gather supplies and prepare rather than worry. It may never happen, or the disease won’t be as virulent with time….The Chinese are waaay over populated, Wuhan has the population density of London. Educate yourself and then you don’t have to worry so much….
The key is self-isolation if necessary, being able to live without needing supplies or water for one to two months. Can you do that? You need three gallons of water a day per person. Pets? Factor in for them too. Masks are for being around in public.
This is a good site with excellent prepping for pandemic information.
recent study shows worriers live longer…
No, it only seems like they live longer….
Start prepping for an extended period of one or two months, now’s that time while most people aren’t even thinking about it. I’ve been topping off the preps after work this past week. Make a small list and knock it out each day. You’ll start to feel a little better each day.
A friend of mine manages an auto parts store in a strip mall also containing an all u can eat Chinese place. He says its been dead for 2 weeks, usually packed every lunch and dinner. This is a good thing as you really shouldn’t eat that crap delivered in trucks from the Elizabeth NJ docks. I wonder how all the nail salons are coping?
The fear alone seems to be working to hurt the local economy somewhat in these parts. I wonder how they are doing in Ft Lee and Palisades Park? Massive Asian populations there.
Chinese restaurants have been closing faster than other categories for some time now. Most are filthy shit holes where no one should go. A group of second and third generation Chinese-Americans released a statement in the past year saying there is no such thing as a clean Chinese restaurant. Our local place got in trouble after the HVAC guys went up on the roof and discovered meat up on the roof which they could not readily identify being “cured” with birds and bugs having free access to it.
China was using HIV drugs on this early in the outbreak based on reports i’ve read. So they knew early on, which makes it pretty aparent someones bioweapon is loose.
Captain trips like a motherfucker.
Now you can worry.
Any cases in the philly area yet?
I have craptacular 8 filmfest there next weekend. People flying in from cali and michigan. Not sure how i feel about that.
We’re not infected, numbnuts. They took the evacuees to a base near here. The beer bitch asked why they didn’t take them to Nebraska. I said, they don’t have medical universities in Nebraska. She insisted that they do. I guess they wanted to spare Nebraskans being ostracized.
I get you.
Unless you meant this…
Nebraska is too white. The Newsies condemned Trump’s Corona Virus study group because there were too many white people on it. Minorities should refuse to take any cure they come up with. Absolutely. Creighton University out in Nebraska is Catholic besides. Definitely refuse the cure. Tell ALL your compadres.
How convenient.
Worldwide economic collapse with no one to blame except some hapless Chinese civil servant. Worldwide Martial Law under the guise of medical lockdown with no one to blame except some hapless Chinese civil servant.
Two billion useless idiots and useless eaters die in the ensuing chaos with no one to blame except some hapless Chinese civil servant.
What could go wrong? More deaths? No problem.
Why would the Chinese need to steal a virus from Canada if they have a gene splicing/virus creating lab in Wuhan?
they just put their lab up a coupla years ago, and stealing’s cheaper. these chinese nationals are instilled in corporations all over the world stealing shit for the motherland.
Doom Porn. At its best. It is pure speculation by ZH as to whether the Chinese researcher had a role in the current Coronovirus epidemy. To publish his email address and ask the ZH followers to harass him is beyond disgusting. When I read it on ZH I was without words. Twitter had a valid reason to suspend their acccount. For once.
(And no: Other than may assholes who complain about Twitter I have no account with these bastards)
Ummm… the simplest explanation of why the rate outside of China exceeds that inside China is because Chinese authorities are under-reporting. Which is a pretty common practice for authoritarian governments dealing with situations that could make them look bad.