From Quarantine To Tyranny To Rebellion: Where Is The Line In The Sand?

Authored by Brandon Smith via Alt-Market.com,

America is in a haze right now. It seems like half the country is in denial of the danger while the other half is awaking from apathy and frantically trying to prepare. This is creating a fog of confusion as one side screams “it’s nothing but the flu, stop buying up the grocery store…!”, and the other side just keeps stocking goods, though in an inexperienced way that prioritizes comfort over practicality.

The other day I went by the grocery store to grab a few peripheral items while they still exist on sale, and this was the first time since the Covid-19 situation began that people in my area actually seemed…different.   The usual carefree obliviousness was gone from their faces and they all had a deer-in-the-headlights look, their eyes wide as saucers as they nervously scrambled around the store.  None of them were absorbed into their cell phones.  All of them were alert as many people huddled over their cart, quickly snatching items from the shelves as if protecting themselves from potential thieves.  It seems that reality is finally hitting the masses square in the face like a sucker punch.

Suddenly, the prepper movement doesn’t look so “crazy” after all, and average people are now turning to prepper forums and websites to ask us for information on how to plan more effectively. Instead of stacking piles of toilet paper for psychological comfort, they are now buying food supplies.  The people who used to accuse us of being “chicken littles” and “doom mongers” are eerily silent. I almost miss them. At the very least, everyone is now concerned about the situation, if not for different reasons.

This is a far cry from the past two months, when governments around the world as well as the UN’s WHO continually downplayed the pandemic threat and offered the public nothing in terms of usable advice. The establishment consistently kept the public in the dark, not just on the virus and its capabilities but also on the vast weaknesses in the global economy. Abruptly in the past week they suggest that a threat is ahead and now millions of people are scrambling to prepare however they can.

As I have noted in previous articles, there is a reason why the establishment refused to inform the citizenry of the instabilities inherent in the pandemic scenario; the more unknowns there are for the public the more panic will set it, chaos ensues, and it is chaos that can be exploited to push forward numerous agendas. These agendas include global centralization as well as the erasure of constitutional liberties.

Now that a national collapse event is slowly being accepted by many as a legitimate possibility, there is a debate rising as to what measures the government should take, or should be allowed to take. Those of us in the prepper and liberty movements always knew this day was coming; a day when the public would start considering trading away an array of freedoms in exchange for promises of security.

Even now, government officials are still trying to tell people that this event will be “short lived”.

“Don’t worry”, they say, “It will only last a couple of weeks.” Oh, and “Don’t concern yourselves with food shortages, that’s not going to happen…” You can look at these lies in two different ways:

1) The government is trying to stave off a “panic” by slowly easing people into the reality that the system is breaking.

2) The government is trying to keep people passive to the danger so that when the system breaks completely they will be unprepared, desperate and easier to manipulate.

I believe the second option is the most likely given the evidence at hand, but in either case the government is crippling the public response time to the disaster. They did this for months and they are still trying to do it now.

So, my argument is, why should we suddenly take their advice or take orders from them when the manure hits the fan? They have FAILED in their responsibilities to inform and protect the citizenry, and they are about to violate their prime mandate, which is to protect the personal liberties that make our society worth living in. Without these freedoms, there is no point to keeping our system intact anyway.

The establishment and its defenders will claim that we all “have to make sacrifices” today in order to have freedoms tomorrow, but that’s not how the constitution was designed to work. Our rights are MORE important during times of distress and crisis, for it is in these times that we need to know what we are fighting for, and what we are struggling for. Survival is meaningless if we have to accept tyranny to achieve it.

Once governments see a chance to usurp freedoms from the people, they DO NOT tend to give those freedoms back later unless the people become a viable opponent that could bring the establishment down.

There are some who will say that a forced quarantine is necessary to protect the “greater good” of the greater number. It is true that the Covid-19 virus is a danger, and I think the people who claim it’s “no worse than the flu” are fighting a losing battle as the death rate is clearly much higher than the average flu virus. They will look extremely foolish a few months from now as the virus continues to cycle through the population and the dead continue to increase. That said, I think I understand why they cling to this crumbling argument.

They think that by arguing that the pandemic is “all hype” they can morally justify resistance to the inevitable totalitarian response from governments. They think it has to be one or the other:  Either the virus is hyped and resistance is acceptable, or the virus is real and resistance is unacceptable. I ask – Why can’t it be both? The virus is dangerous to many, but a totalitarian response is still unacceptable.

The virus is in fact more destructive than any flu in recent memory – It’s not a plague on the level of the Black Death, but if it continues to kill at a rate of 3% to 5% as it has been then this puts a large number of human beings at risk. It is not something to be taken lightly, and those people that are actively trying to discourage others from preparing for it are truly narcissistic in their ideology. If you don’t think it’s a threat, then don’t prepare, but don’t scream at others for taking precautions just because you desperately want to be right, and don’t come around demanding food and supplies from those same people when the ceiling comes crashing down on your head.

Also, understand that Covid-19 is only part of the problem. The bigger crisis is in the economy itself; a collapse has been baked into this cake for years now, and the virus has little to do with it.  Leftist kids are going around calling this pandemic the “boomer remover”, almost cheering the assumption that mostly older and conservative Americans will die from this.  I have to break it to them that during the economic collapse that is inevitably coming they will have to wipe the snot from their noses and put on their big-boy diapers otherwise they aren’t going to survive either; most of them have no discernible skills and no preparations to speak of.  They are essentially useless.

If Covid-19 is a “boomer remover”, then the economic crisis is a “snowflake bake”, and they are about to get roasted.

As I have noted time and time again over the past few years, the Everything Bubble only needed one major trigger event to fully implode, but the international banks and central banks created that precarious bubble in the first place, and they set up all the conditions which made it so dangerous. The virus is not the cause of the crash, it is just very good cover for the banks who are the real perpetrators.

Ignore the virus if you want, but the economic collapse is undeniable. Accept that the national and global emergency is real (even if it has been financially engineered), and let’s move on to a more meaningful debate: Should governments be allowed to implement martial law measures in response?

In my view there is no excuse for tyranny, even during a pandemic event. The majority of the public is more than capable of voluntary quarantine without government enforcement. Add government intervention into the mix and it will only make people want to do the opposite.  And beyond that, Covid-19 has such a long incubation period that ultimately most people will probably contract it anyway. Total containment is not achievable (as we have just seen in South Korea). Quarantines might slow the spread, which is good, but do not expect to avoid this virus indefinitely. Why sacrifice your freedoms for safety that is an illusion?

Then there is the argument of “herd immunity”, which is utter nonsense and always has been. Either a person or group is immune, or they are not, and people who are not immune do not put immune people at risk. Period. The claim that the virus might “mutate” within non-vaccinated or non-immune people and put vaccinated people at risk is a propaganda argument that ignores science. Generally, when a virus does mutate, it mutates into a less deadly or infectious strain, not a more deadly strain. Viruses are programmed to survive, too. If they evolved to kill ALL potential hosts then that would be counter to their survival imperative, which is why they usually evolve in the other direction.

In terms of Covid-19, there is no “herd immunity” by the establishment definition anyway, because it is a brand new virus. There is no vaccine and the vast majority of people have no antibodies. No one can make the argument that people need to be forcefully locked down in order to maintain a herd immunity that doesn’t exist.

Finally, there is a question of agenda and motive behind the rising call for martial law-like measures over the pandemic. For example, Champaign, Illinois mayor Deborah Frank Feinen has given herself executive powers in response to the coronavirus infection that are outright dictatorial and Soviet in their violations. Among other things, she demands the power to enforce curfews, ban public gatherings, ban alcohol, ban or confiscate firearms, as well as confiscate supplies from any citizen if those supplies are “needed for emergency response”.

Is this really about protecting the public? How does it protect the public to confiscate their only means of defense, or confiscate their food and supplies? This type of thing is usually done in communist countries, and it is done to protect government power, not protect the people.

Understand also that the Champaign mayor is not the only official calling for these types of actions. From New York to LA and beyond, those of us who are paying attention have noticed a swift and quiet implementation of orders that are whittling down American freedoms. Do not expect Donald Trump to operate differently, either. Expect him to initiate martial law measures (though he may not call in “martial law”) in the next few months. Expect him to activate Executive Order 13603, which was created by Barack Obama in 2012 and allows the federal government to appropriate everything from land to food to firearms in the event of a national emergency. This is going to happen. Count on it.

The pandemic is not an excuse for tyranny, and I for one will not comply. I and many I know will self quarantine for a time with the expectation that we will eventually contract the virus, and hopefully our immune systems are strong enough to fight it. In the meantime, I will not be allowing any government officials to confiscate my supplies or my firearms “for my own safety” or “for the greater good”.

I will not be cooperating with census takers asking questions about how much supplies I have stocked and whether or not I am ill.  I will not sit idle while checkpoints are set up in my county to enforce travel restrictions or demand people test for symptoms. I will not be signing up for government rations in exchange for my biometric data. I will not be visiting the local FEMA center for government aid. And, I will fight anyone that tries to assert martial law tactics in my area.

A message to the government: I know you won’t, but I suggest you leave people alone and let them self isolate in peace. Your brand of “help” is not the kind of help we need. You and the financial elites that reside over you created this mess, and we do not trust you to clean it up. At bottom, this disaster should result in your removal from power. You should be held accountable and replaced.

The system itself needs to be rebuilt from the ground up and principles of liberty need to return to the forefront of our society. Centralization and globalization have caused untold grief and terror to humanity; this collapse only reinforces the argument that we need to try something different. They will say that the world was “not centralized enough” and that a more global (totalitarian) framework is the solution. But, of course, who really benefits from that in the end? The common man, or the elites?

They can offer any rationalization they want in the name of public safety, but we know what the real play is here. If the line is crossed into martial law, I plan to fight. Not just for me, but for the next generation. Because if I do not, those children may grow up in the world never knowing what freedom truly is. There are fates worse than death, and a life of tyranny and slavery is one of them.

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bubbah
bubbah

They aren’t going to be able to keep this up for long. People just won’t listen, especially if they remain short of alot of food/TP etc. They just need to make massive amounts of PPE’s. It’s not that big a deal to wear masks when in public, lots of asian countries did this already before this crap. Even the surgical masks likely reduce transmission by around 50% or so, plus they help reduce colds, and other flus as well.

I see PPE’s and stopping large social gatherings, distancing, then returning to “normal” as what must happen. If they just return to “normal” a few weeks from now, there just will be resurgences again. Until immunity, antivirals, and PPE’s are used more commonly this thing will go on, they aren’t getting to zero cases. Hell, I would love for the damn hospital staff to wear PPE’s. Before all this shit we were spending lots of times in hospitals. So many damn sick nurses coughing, sneezing and all that shit with no masks on. This was extremely common. Being stuck in hospitals previously felt hideous to me, I was amazed how many hospital staff appeared sick–and they never wore any PPE’s. Fucking stupid. So maybe they can actually get hospital staff to at least wear a damn mask all the time, if not the 95’s at least the surgical masks–just to reduce the normal colds and flus. The last thing you want when you are stuck in hospitals under stress is having to worry about getting sick to boot from the staff.

My experiences in hospitals the past few years made me view hospitals very negatively. Their cleaning protocols were absolutely horrible. They rely on that damn gel stuff for everything, but don’t clean the rooms when you are in them much, the staff is haphazard etc. And we were in a top 10 hospital for 3 weeks the one time. Plus the damn hospital food is unhealthy as hell, it was surprising.

Bottom line, PPE’s for everyone, some social distancing and improved hygeine and get people back to work within a few weeks. IF that doesn’t happen the economic devastation will be unbelievable. They can keep schools closed for the rest of the year, since anyone that has been around schools and little kids can tell you–they won’t practice good hygiene they will get sick and take it home to ma/pa.

Doctor de Vaca

But until there’s enough PPE for everyone we need to lock down.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

Invisible, odorless, tasteless, microscopic, readily transmitted asymptomatically, deadly enough to alarm but harmless enough to readily discount.
The perfect weapon to bring the world to it’s knees.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

And here I was thinking the real WMD was television. That is, “Weapon of Mass Deception.”

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

Remember the good ol’ days when we were scared of terrorists living in elaborate mountaintop cave complexes half way around the world? How many cave complexes did we find? How many chemical weapon labs and warheads did we find? Dirty bombs? Suicide donkeys?

Remember when we went to Afghanistan to find Osama bin Laden and immediately declared war on the Taliban, who had effectively shut off the supply of opium and CIA black ops funding? Will bat soup virus enemy mutate likewise into something similar, like “We have to bomb Iran to fight bat soup virus?” Lot’s of opium now in Afghanistan that could fund all that bombing of Iran.

And, will there be a “Coalition of the Willing” that will simultaneously lock down all civil liberties, shut down access to bank accounts, and eliminate any form of dissent that dares to point out the insanity unleashed to fight this new invisible pseudo-enemy? Those who won’t get with the program get tested and bongo! Positive test and never mind the 40% false positive so mandatory FEMA camp incarceration for you! Was Trump’s wall meant to keep the Mexicans out, or is it meant to keep We The People in?

Question everything, trust no one in authority, learn to despise .gov for the evil it is. The real enemy are The Philosopher Kings who control (((those who control the money))) that got us into this mess in the first place.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

And, the ink hadn’t even dried on the above post when this hits the internet. Q’s moment of truth has arrived.
In Sweeping Power Grab, DOJ Seeks Ability To Detain People Indefinitely Without Trial
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sweeping-power-grab-doj-seeks-ability-detain-people-indefinitely-without-trial

This is probably Trumps solution to the homeless crisis. Or, is the real threat not from without, but from within? Stay tuned – same bat time, same bat channel.

Anonymous
Anonymous

How many virus antibodies do you have?

Does the coronavirus test find all of them?

Could a test be devised that would find all of them?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/06/04/411469959/how-many-viruses-have-infected-you

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/348/6239/aaa0698.abstract

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

And along with that free and convenient drive through bat soup virus test your DNA is also being samples, sequenced, and archived.

mike
mike

Because they didn’t do that already at your annual check-up?

Doctor de Vaca

The current test is a PCR looking for specific RNA from this specific virus. The actual virus, not antibodies to a virus, has to be in your system

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug

Car to elaborate on ‘Q’s moment of truth’? I don’t follow it. I presume a hoax or Christcuck self-delusion.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

Q’s moment of truth – When martial law is imposed so Trump can round up all the Deep State criminals. Yeah right.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug

lol Herd animals need a farmer but call it a savior.

Anonymous
Anonymous

A sheep dog works a whole lot better.

Mygirl...maybe

Hyper: Poitico has not PUBLISHED any of those documents they claim exist….and….the powers for doing all that already exist courtesy of the AUMF, the Patriot Act and Obama’s signing of the NDAA.

“President Obama’s action today is a blight on his legacy because he will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law,” said Anthony D. Romero, ACLU executive director. “The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield. The ACLU will fight worldwide detention authority wherever we can, be it in court, in Congress, or internationally.”
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao

Obama signed the NDAA for 2012 on new years eve 2011……it already allows for indefinite detention of American citizens….

https://www.rt.com/usa/160832-ndaa-gitmo-detention-approved/

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <<——== trust the plan

JR9999
JR9999

At this point I could use some of that opium.

Doctor de Vaca

May I amend lock down to voluntarily self isolate. If you desire to be out and about without PPE that’s your choice. Though then only you will be responsible for any consequences.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

When one peels away all the media induced hysteria, what we have before us is a near complete shut-down of the world’s developed economies to stop a virus that attacks primarily the frail, weak, and sick at a time when they are approaching death anyways. This cull used to be called Mother Nature and was grudgingly accepted – up until last month. What has fundamentally changed in our twisted collective ethic?

In its most raw assessment, the world’s “leaders” have willfully imposed depressions on their subjects so that people in their 80s can, what realistically amounts to, watch another 6 months of television. Most “victims” of bat soup virus weren’t out last week riding bicycles with the grand kids.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven, screams international coordination, and was foisted on the world in an intentional release for some purpose. To me, that purpose is beginning to smell like cover for the implosion of the world’s debt bubble. And, depression is always followed by war – very big wars, that are used to cull the young, fit, fighting age men from the ranks of potential revolutionaries. Such wars also occupy each combatants respective masses with a focused, collective effort on the power elite retaining their control of said respective masses. Like a well scripted play dusted off for another big stage production run.

So, will we be fooled again? Of course we will, because “We The People” includes the tyranny of the 51%. But, it looks like we finally do live in interesting times.

impermanence
impermanence

Perhaps you should put the script away, look out the nearest window and figure out what’s going on for yourself.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

My wife and I lived through the economic collapse in Indonesia back in 1997. We have a good idea what’s coming next from practical experience. This “epidemic” is every day stuff in West Africa, where we have also lived. And, you might be shocked at just how many people in Scotland fall sick to diseases we thought nearly eradicated here in USA (my infant son had terrible case of whooping cough and had to be hospitalized).

Please don’t assume I’ve lived a sheltered life and don’t know what’s going on “outside”.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yes, go outside and look at the bodies piling up in the streets.

This video was Italy 4 days ago, at about 1:25 you can see the carnage:

Then there’s this video of of 4 days from now:

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Another “I saw a video, it must be true”.

mike
mike

Well then just wait til the stack’em on your street.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

Yes, piles of mostly very old dead people. Where exactly was I wrong in my post?

Anonymous
Anonymous

meant to respond to impermanence

sorry

Anonymous
Anonymous

lol.. really?

in this country there are millions of windows.

I live in an upscale area with a county population of 200k.
a shelter in place order was enacted friday.

today? i walked around town and i’d say at least 40% of people don’t watch the news / don’t really care. “social distancing” was a rare sight, not even remotely the norm.

and even though the Costco’s here are experiencing some empty shelves, the many ethnic markets are well stocked and not a scene of panic

Mygirl...maybe

Hyper: you are operating from an old play list. The numbers have changed, there are as many young people as old who are getting it and ending up needing hospitalization along with dying. Pay attention to Italy and Iran, lots of not old people dead and infected there and we still don’t know the truth about China but you can bet your boots they didn’t quarantine 3/4 of a billion people for sport or because they wanted to implement a totalitarian regime….they already ARE a totalitarian regime.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

Up to date numbers. Scroll down to Age of Bat Soup Virus Deaths (aka Coronavirus).
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

Bat Soup Virus, for those under 40, is twice the fatality rate than regular influenza. So instead of 1 in a 1000, we have 1 in 500 death rate. And, that fatality rate ASSUMES every young person that got bat soup virus was tested for bat soup virus and the positive test was included in the statistics. Likely only cases requiring hospitalization or those in contact with infected have been recorded, meaning fatality rate for young is inflated.

When we make important decisions entirely based on empathy, we ultimately make the wrong decisions. MSM will highlite the few young that have fallen sick to whip them into a panic and get them to go along with pending martial law and FEMA mandated incarceration.

Just remember, the most dangerous thing you will do today is drive your car.

Mygirl...maybe

Keep whistling….

Anonymous
Anonymous

Does it cause the deaths?
Or is it merely found in those who die?

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug

My Girl is correct. 100% of those who die ate carrots within the past year. Throw out those carrots! The only reason any stock of supplies is needed is because the government is in charge. We should face this, get it, accept nature’s judgement. But nooooooo!

Mygirl...maybe

Does it cause the deaths?
Or is it merely found in those who die?

Please, get real here.

mike
mike

we have 1 in 500 death rate [with this Coronavirus]

Hyper, you are a complete moron.
Absolute proof for that will be delivered to you in about 8 weeks.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

…for those under 40.

mike
mike

How cute, moving the goalposts already?

There are good arguments why that rate will be higher in the US, even for those under 40. Because of the obesity rate a/k/a pre-existing conditions. But nobody knows for sure.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

FYI – original post you commented on.

Bat Soup Virus, for those under 40, is twice the fatality rate than regular influenza. So instead of 1 in a 1000, we have 1 in 500 death rate.

mike
mike

You completely ignored what I just wrote.

Are you chanting it at home now “1-in-500, 1-in-500, I just know that’s the true ratio”?

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

OK, I will hold your hand through the numbers, unless you want to afterward argue the epistemology of numbers. So here goes – from the latest data…

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

Scroll down to Age of Coronavirus Deaths and you will find a table. From this table you will notice that all age groups under 40 years of age (i.e., < 39 so therefore, under 40, not less than or equal to) have a mortality rate from bat soup virus at 0.2%. Now, 0.2% = 2 deaths / 1000 cases proceeding to outcome (i.e., either recovery or death, no relapse data included). We can now apply the lowest common denominator like we learned in 3rd grade to calculate that 2 / 1000 = 1 / 500, so therefore 0.2% mortality rate for all persons aged under 40 does indeed equal 1 death / 500 outcomes – the 1 in 500 you demanded.

Just don't ask me to calculate any Bessel functions.

mike
mike

Your numbers are based on Chinese people.

There are good arguments why that rate will be higher in the US, even for those under 40. Because of the obesity rate a/k/a pre-existing conditions. But nobody knows for sure.

Check your own link for “COVID-19 Fatality Rate by COMORBIDITY”, specifically Diabetes.

Hyperborean
Hyperborean

Ok – I give up here. Just because I quit doesn’t mean you win.

mike
mike

The truth will win.

splurge
splurge

True that, but I think Hyper is correct here.

Anonymous
Anonymous

.2% X 1000 = 2

Anonymous
Anonymous

Newsflash…I’m not ASIAN. I’m FREE. This fraudulent government and its globalist string-pullers has overstepped its bounds (and yes, I SET ITS BOUNDS)…one of two realities exists. Either my Constitutional government exists and works FOR ME, or, we are AT WAR. Screw their masks. This whole hoax was perpetrated solely because the communo-crat party and its sheeple have FAILED at every other attempt to reverse the election of MY President in 2016. Go ahead…declare “martial law”. Dare you.

Ghost

I’ve been out drawing the lines here for a year and tomorrow morning I’m meeting with the Poplar Bluff Oathkeepers.

But, that’s just me. And a few others here who’ve been telling you.

Now, give me my dose of downvotes.

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SeeBee
SeeBee

Mags, if the media and lemmings keep pissing me off, I may be moving into your treehouse. I’m a lot of fun. So keep up the good fight and keep the treehouse comfy.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer

PLEASE, PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO PHYSIOGNOMY IN YOUR GROUP.

ASSUME THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THEM IS KEEPING SOME OTHER OATH.

Anonymous
Anonymous

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Do you know that kid I talk about named Huck Finnegan? Well, he really was named Huckleberry Finn Brown to honor his grandfather, the original Huck Finn by nature, you might say. That is Tom on the right.

On the left there? An old Arkansas razorback whose people came from West Virginia. The branch of the Adams family that bred with their slaves.

Hmmmm….

Guess what I found out after I left my mother’s house? That little orphan Huck Finn who had to change his name from Brown for his own good (that nasty pedophilia perversion is in all our families ain’t it?)

Well, that man beside my father there is the grandfather of the man who has now adopted him. How’s that for Karma.

Why didn’t you let people here at TBP know I really did have some LDS food available? I was the preparer, not the messenger. Now, I’m both.

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Ginger
Ginger

You got Prince Albert in the can?
Better let him out before he suffocates.

overthecliff
overthecliff

Yeah. Physiognomy. Sorry HF couldn’t resist.

TampaRed

ditto what farmer said about keeping some other oath–
never,never talk about making preps to defend against or commit violence against govt agents–
several years ago some guys who were convinced that the nwo was coming were making Defensive preps in case they were raided by federales–
an informant snitched,they were raided,and the lead guy went to federal prison–
all your defensive preps should be against thieves & zombies,not govt agents–

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Tampa.
Right you are. People love to snitch on others.

Ginger
Ginger

Was a so called klan group here in NC where there were eleven fbi informants and just one real klan guy, who was about eighteen, this was in early 1970 or so.
The dude that drove the klan to the “Death to the Klan” rally in Greensboro turned out to be a fbi/cia informant.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

If not more! Look at some of the recent stand-offs for a possible head count.

overthecliff
overthecliff

Crazy person who frequents TBP. Check
Hangs out with Oath keepers. Check

I will finally get to meet M.G. at the FEMA camp.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

They won’t listen MG. Let them go. Take care of you, yours and the ones that want to take care of themselves but are struggling with it.

Mygirl...maybe

MG: Down votes? Heck, I just upvoted you, I don’t spend too much time concerned with votes, petty people can and should be ignored. I have my own mind, I speak it and if someone don’t care to read what I wrote they can scroll on down….I’ve seen this coming for many years now…it was inevitable that a fake system would have to collapse. I moved to the country because I love the country and sought to avoid humanity at large and also to avoid SHTF splatter.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug

Swear to your God, that donkey has more soul, self-esteem, and sense of humor than most people. That’s a great smile, silly, but great.

SmallerGovNow

“You should be held accountable and replaced.” Replaced with what? Government is TOO damn big. We need less of it… Chip

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug

Smacks of muh “Repeal and Replace”. I’m pretty sure the campaign plank was simply “Repeal”. Lemmings there be, SGN. Replaced with ourselves, a renewed patriarchy.

splurge
splurge

Stacks of their dead bodies?

SeeBee
SeeBee

So in this article the author is all over the place, covering many possible motivations, agendas outcomes, permutations and checking all the boxes. But here’s the solution. Separate the Country. Those who know this event is over hyped and absolutely being used as a tool of control and cover from those who believe all the statistics and this thing is going to get them with a serious illness. Let’s just make sure the over-hypes get the East side of the country. Cause if this virus is bad….wait until the Big One happens out West.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219

CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 38 million flu illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths from flu.

Covid 19 is a distant second with 240 deaths

Something else is going on. They are either lying about the numbers on Covid 19, or destroying the economy on purpose.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219

Maybe the 2 down votes could chime in. The numbers are from the CDC…

Steve
Steve

No down vote from me. The phrase “case, case, cluster, cluster, BOOM” must be foreign to you?

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer

It appears to me to have been purposefully seeded for the purpose of maximum spread, therefore listening to the directives of those responsible for its spread seems counter intuitive.

Mygirl...maybe

Yup. First it was a nothing burger, CDC felt it more important to study ‘gun violence’ and ignore diseases… borders kept wide open, air traffic and commerce continued unabated and then, when it looked like maybe, just maybe, there was something there, CDC said it was no biggie, just wash your hands.

Then some noodge with the CDC said you don’t need face masks, only ‘medical professionals’ need them and quit buying up all that hand sanitizer too.

Then when it looked like there might be more to this than a nothing burger, CDC along with their media mouthpieces said, don’t worry, only old people get it and they were sick before getting it and keep washing your hands and STOP buying up all the toilet paper you farking hoarders.

NOW? Well, now we are suddenly at the door of pestilence and plague and calling out the National Guard, quarantined and everything shut down, everything, people dropping like flies (not yet but soon) and…in essence….bankrupted by a….nothing burger.
Abolish the CDC, they are a joke. Ditto the WHO.

Nobody
Nobody

What if it was a nothing burger that the criminals that be (TCTB) needed a scare tactic that wasn’t working so that had to make it a something burger?

This whole thing has been mighty convenient for all ‘impeach the president so he doesn’t stop our foreign aid money laundering’ crowd. Those people had the heat of the sun in this just before the frenzy.

splurge
splurge

The pestilence and plague is the calling out the national
guard, the everything shut down and quarantined.A nation of bullies in gov and cowards everywhere else deserves death. To be running around terrified of death, a general purpose inevitability, is at best unseemly.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

Whatever it’s origin it’s naturally going to take off first and greater in the high density high population centers and spread from there.

By nature they are also the least self sufficient and most mentally and physically unprepared populations to deal with it and will crack quickly and easily.

The NYC metro area is the east coast ground zero for civil breakdown and martial law.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

The ones that leave prior to lockdown or escape during it will spread it to the outlying rural communities.

Anonymous
Anonymous

it’s Origin… was back in december 2019…
if anyone thinks this virus was not already everywhere by february….

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

Anon,

Bingo!!! +1000?

SeeBee
SeeBee

I’d go back as far as September ’19. Many folks I know first hand…down for the count for at least a couple of weeks with an awful flu/cold. So far, this version Covid-19…I don’t know anyone afflicted.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

HSF et al,

I’m sure this has been discussed on TBP already, but I haven’t been keeping up like I typically have so if it’s old news for many, Carry on, if it’s news to others then sit and ponder HSFs point above .

https://theweek.com/speedreads/901405/seattle-lab-uncovered-washingtons-coronavirus-outbreak-only-after-defying-federal-regulators

Like I’ve told anyone who I come into contact with (of course 6 feet apart) HA!! Most of us on the West coast have already had the virus, back in late January or February many of my family and friends were sick…and of course the news spreads disinformation now to the sheeple telling them the number of NEW cases each new day because the testing kits are just being distributed and used.
Lemmings willing to take others rights away so they can feel more secure and safe with the noose around their necks!

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles

I don’t think so.. it seems to have gotten into Italy and Iran along routes traveled by Chinese people, and spread from there. Also, “maximum spread” just means “maximum crowdedness”, since it’s frequency of contact that is statistically going to spread the disease.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Reportedly 300,000 Han Chinese live and work in Northern Italy. If the Chinese New Year is anything like Christmas along the southern border most of the foreigners go home for the holiday. Hordes of returning Chinese bringing the bug? Just a thought.

overthecliff
overthecliff

Careful, Gatsby. I wouldn’t be to quick to believe CDC.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

So all the number crunchers at the CDC are saints and would not lie to anyone or follow orders??

mike
mike

Only the Chinese lie, has this forum still not convinced you of that?

mike
mike

Covid 19 is a distant second with 240 deaths

And will look the same in 2 weeks from now?

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

It’s ramping like crazy. Italy, with a fraction of our population will hit or exceed 1,000 deaths per day tomorrow. Italy is two weeks ahead of us supposedly. This is going to double every day for the next four weeks here in the US. By this time next week I believe we could reach 1,000 dead per day and there will be seven figures of confirmed cases. I am hopeful they will go full speed ahead with the quinine and Z-pack to treat people and keep us from hitting Italian level numbers.

Anonymous
Anonymous

A week or so ago I threw out 4.9 million will be infected in the U.S.; still standing by that number.

gatsby1219
gatsby1219

If we tested everyone for HIV, TB, Flu, etc., would the numbers go up ?
Why shut down the economy ? To save the old and the medically failed members of world ?

3895
Do Not Fear
Q
!!Hs1Jq13jV6
21 Mar 2020 – 10:32:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MK0j765ko4?
Do not fear.
Q

yahsure
yahsure

I read that its worse than the flu and the flu is bad enough. Self quarantining yourself isn’t much to ask. I come close to doing it all the time. I do think my workplace will be a problem. Co-workers brag about the places they go on the weekends and i can see them bringing back this coronavirus. Maybe some positive changes will come about because of it.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You know, the severely introverted may yet come out as winners.

Goldorak
Goldorak

The answer is both. There’s a reboot of the system, and numbers are a joke.

bunky
bunky

They are destroying the economy to get PDJT.
It’s that simple.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

They will shit all over themselves if that’s the plan.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Have you ever seen a mouse caught in a trap, but not yet dead? It gets pretty gruesome as the rodent gnaws away at its leg trying to get free. Usually the little guy expires first. The lesson: monomaniacs are oblivious to personal harm.

Solutions Are Obvious
Solutions Are Obvious

Read the articles on LewRockwell dot com. They make a whole lot more sense than this one.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

Bwahahaha

Coalclinker
Coalclinker

Whatever is going on, in my opinion it has nothing to do with a virus. I think that we have another week before there is a total shutdown of everything in the country. I have a feeling that a purge will be carried out during that shutdown, and we’ll soon find that the whole banking and financial system died as well.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

Time has a way of proving and disproving things. I can’t say what will or may happen in the future but, this virus thing is not adding up based on the numbers or even common sense. That leaves only, what the hell are they up to????

Coalclinker
Coalclinker

I believe there will be a purge that will be written about a thousand years from now. We will soon see that our elites are indeed far worse than Imperial Rome

Diogenes
Diogenes

You only control how YOU play. If they threaten to knock down my door for a “health” check, I gonna take as many order takers with me to Valhalla as possible.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Coal.
That’s a fact.

Anonymous
Anonymous

It is still in the early innings; too much disjoint data and probably too many variables to see what correlates. But, when the governor of New York (and others) is making nice with Trump then something is up.

BTW, anyone seen Nancy lately?

CCRider
CCRider

Right! Fuck you, politicians. Your time has passed. Only victims are left to kiss your asses and listen to your bullshit dictums. The rest of us are free for the 1st time in our lives. I don’t mind the fact I’m on my own, I love it. I and those I love will be fine. We’ll find our way -happily. No more ‘hope and change-I feel your pain-compassionate conservative-MAGA BULLSHIT. The day of the individual has come.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

If I could give you a dozen up votes CCRider I would. You are spot on. Fuck the ass hole that gave you a down vote.

CCRider
CCRider

So 19 individuals and only 2 sheep. Encouraging.

TheDingus
TheDingus

Don’t forget the efforts to make neighbors into enemies. Big Gov wants to make it out that anyone who dares break their quarantine is doing the equivalent of trying to kill you.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

Let them come. I have had the experience before.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

In my neck of the woods that Nazi like behavior is already well under way! These Nazis have no problem asking the government to take away others rights because they bought into the hysteria.

County Chief Executive Officer Jody Hayes said Friday morning the county had already heard from community members asking for county action against nonessential businesses that remained open. Hayes said he doesn’t expect the county will be interpreting whether a private enterprise is essential or nonessential under Newsom’s order.

https://www.modbee.com/news/coronavirus/article241378061.html?

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

They are definitely failing here. All the neighbors with little kids were across the street. The women were doing woman stuff, the kids were playing and riding bikes all over. The Dads were playing “King of the Hill” standing there literally all afternoon with cans of beer. Then they set up a big table and looked like they decided to have a pot luck. There weren’t many staying six feet apart either. Folks were out running, walking, pushing baby buggies all over the neighborhood. Idyllic as heck. Hope it stays that way.

overthecliff
overthecliff

Don’t ever never ever give up your guns. If they take them , you are going to die or go to the gulag with Maggie and me.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

Great advice. If anyone wants or thinks that their firearms are a burden. Contact admin for my contact information. I take them off you hands for free. Only an idiot would give them up now.

yahsure
yahsure

I have read that gun sales are really high right now.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

Some places I frequent are not out of stock, but have so many orders to pack and ship they may not be taking new orders until the end of next week. Prices are still normal.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Are anymore people dying this year than the previous 4 years above and beyond the average increase. Doesn’t appear to be. The increase so far in 2020 is the same as previous years. 1.2 per 100,000.
So who’s dying from Covid-19 that would have died from something else this year if there has been no real increase in dead people?

TampaRed

question 4 you guys–
i’m not really computer literate but can a website insert computer code so that it can’t be linked on another website–
there is a site that gives an updated tally all thru the day that i have sent to people in emails & the link opens normally in emails–when i put it into comments here the comment never appears–
i just tried to post it in response to fleas’s comment b/c in the last week the #s on the graph are starting to go almost straight up–
my comment has not posted,i know admin would not censor it,and it was a short comment w/nothing but a link so i’m pretty sure the spam filter would not have stopped it–
any ideas ?

Mygirl...maybe

Yup, those folks would have died from whatever, however, they sure as shit wouldn’t have died from the virus. Since we all will die, then it’s best not to take any precautions for anything. Go forth, tickle live rattlesnakes, pet rabid dogs, run across busy freeways, jump off tall buildings because we’re all gonna die so why bother to avoid early death?

Doctor de Vaca

Sounds like an ad to promote Darwin Awards.

Mary Christine

I don’t have time to argue about numbers of sick and dying. We finally got some sun, at least I think it’s sun. I tend to forget what it looks like. Have to work outside today, in the muddy soggy fields.

Here is the latest update from my nurse daughter:

To refresh, on Thursday they lost two contract nurses to FEMA who sent them to NYC yesterday morning. Her colleague texted her that night after her shift to tell her they suddenly had 6 people on ventilators 1 of whom was positive and the others they were waiting for confirmation but they assume they are positive. The ICU was already almost full, it only has 5 beds. The overflow goes in PCU where she works. Now, last Tuesday when my daughter got off work they didn’t have anyone on vents. They won’t call the other 5 positive until it is confirmed positive. So, officially, in that town, only one positive.

Her friend said it had been a day from hell because they weren’t prepared for a sudden influx. She is thinking about quitting. I asked my daughter if they would transfer them to the big “Dirty Hospital” in the city. Dirty Hospital won’t take them yet. The Dirty Hospital is the one that the plan was to transfer the positives to, from the smaller hospitals.

She started a 3 day in a row shift today. This morning she texted me a pic of her “official traveling papers”. She nearly always calls me on her way home. Any new info I get I will update as soon as I can.

I hope that we can keep in touch throughout this mess.

TampaRed

the site i referenced above shows new york as having far more cases than anywhere else in the usa–
as of a few minutes ago we have 19,969 cases & 8532 are in new york–279 deaths,56 in new york–
not alarming except that the cases are increasing so rapidly that we’re on the verge of the graph flat lining straight up —
i believe that this thing is just going to have to run it’s course–

Articles of Confederation

Been saying it since 2008. The wall needs to be built around NYC. If they want their gun-free zones, illegals, crooked Streeters, and ant colonies, they got ’em! Just protect the NYC Utopia from the rest of us uneducated schmucks! 🙂

Anonymous
Anonymous

They started testing/are testing more people (don’t have to prove you came from an area already infected or had contact with someone who did just to get tested)….. of course the number of “cases” are increasing rapidly. Question is who all has already had it (over the last 2+ months) and got over it but never tested or had/has it but with no symptoms thereby never tested either. Good chance it would have been less drastic of a rise if testing had been done on a large scale for months now. Charts like that make for good drama though….

Diogenes
Diogenes

My wife and son had something with the exact same symptoms back in January. Both got over it in 4 to 5 days. Could have been Kung Flu who knows?

Anonymous
Anonymous

The USG is pure evil and enemy of the human race, i’ve prayed daily for years that god wipes it out, maybe he is listening to my prayers finally, praise god… frankly if you have followed the States edicts you deserve what’s coming. Truthfully i can only pull the guns out if someone is shooting my neighbors, then i would be honor bound. That’s the line, killing women,children and the elderly and every man should have that line in the sand.

Montefrio

Brandon Smith’s initials–BS–about sum up his bold declarations that he will fight, he will not comply, etc. One wonders whether he has a wife and/or children. If checkpoints are set up, he claims he “will not sit idle”. What does he propose to do? Here in Argentina, we already have them and province to province travel is enforced by armed leos. Some villages are now closed to non-residents. Police have been granted authority to detain those who attempt to flaut the decree and may seize their vehicles. No one as yet has attempted to resist these measures. So far, temporary tyranny is considered acceptable.

I believe Brandon is a blowhard who when push comes to shove will not be fighting “anyone that tries to assert martial law tactics in my area.” He’s pouring gasoline on the already kindled fires of the temperaments of folks perhaps more inclined to actions not words.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

Mont,

I can’t speak on Brandon’s behalf but when and if that line is crossed, for me, regardless of anything else, Truth will be spoken to tyranny!

Montefrio

Best of luck.

harry p.

great piece Jim.
Many people have been complacent these years. I suspect we will see where many people we normally interact with stand. Or more accurately get down on their knees. I fully expect to be disapointed in people when they not only aren’t skeptical but actually demand the tyranny.
For the vast majority of people the likelihood of dying form this virus is low but the likelihood that our liberty is compromised to a significant degree is very high.
There will be bailouts, all the treason form the past 3 years will be forgotten and unpunished, there will be more tracking and domestic spying and the new stauts quo is businesses can be shut down rather easily.
The mandates are coming, it’s only a matter of time, pieces are moving into place and responsibilities are being expanded for various alphabet agencies. stay safe.

Doctor de Vaca

Watch this and tell me we shouldn’t self isolate. I’m convinced.

Mygirl...maybe

CowDoc: I posted that exact same video and got several downvotes….I do believe you were commenting in that article and up until recently you were right tight with those who said the virus was nothing but bull shit. What changed your mind so suddenly?

Doctor de Vaca

This is the first real IMHO footage out of Italy that shows what is happening. When you have an older anthesiologist (they hold people between life and death on a daily basis), telling you they’re stressed out about this, then I know it’s real. Those MDs have got no reason to lie, if they’re stressed I just got a bad case of the pucker factor.

Mygirl...maybe

Well, at least you’re smart enough to understand the gravity of the situation, unlike a lot of those who STILL believe this is a nothingburger. I am grateful I am where I am and far away from those who can’t or won’t understand what is happening, all they’re accomplishing is spreading misinformation….some people are too stupid to understand consequences and refuse to face facts. They’d rather believe the virus is a hoax while ignoring the reality that is China, Italy, Iran, and now….New York.

Doctor de Vaca

I must have missed this video in your previous post, but when I saw it this morning elsewhere, reality smacked me between the eyes like a 2 x 4.

Mygirl...maybe

Funny how that works, isn’t it? I got real interested when I first heard about China and what was going on there, way back in early January. I made it a point to educate myself and the more I learned the less sanguine I became. I started prepping early on and am glad I did. Those people who still chose to believe this is nothing will not be convinced until they themselves get sick. Trying to convince anyone who refuses to believe the facts is like Heinlein’s quote about teaching a pig to sing and….you can’t fix stupid….

mike
mike

So before you were still thinking the Chinese built those hospitals in 7 days just for fun, or it was all fake from the start?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Cow
How many times are you going to post that thing?

Doctor de Vaca

Once, everyone can take it for what it is. If anyone doesn’t think this shit is real have fun with that. Go out and lick some door knobs. Please just stay the hell away from me after you do.

Mygirl...maybe

Flea
How long can you breathe with your head up your ass?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Girl.
You tell me. You’ve been doing it a long time.

Mygirl...maybe

Nope, I’m not the one pretending the virus is a hoax. Your head has been pushing that bullshit since day one…now the facts are becoming more evident and real and you are STILL acting like this is a hoax and burying your head in the sand regarding the facts and reality of the virus.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Your facts are pure fiction. There is no proof that these aren’t just bad flu cases in people with respiratory issues. The tests were created by governments and their private contractors who both produce gross dishonesty 24/7 and you’re right there peddling it like a good little commie sympathizer.

Mygirl...maybe

You are living proof that you can’t fix stupid.

TampaRed

flea,
you may very well be correct but w/the potential damage this has to devastate the population,wouldn’t it be prudent to over react instead of under react ?
china didn’t quarantine all those people 4 nothing–

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Red.
Potential to damage the population? MGM shame on you for using Reds moniker like this.
This slick move from oligarchy to feudalism is going to make this flu look like the good old days.

ottomatik
ottomatik

Flea- I know we have crossed swords in the past, but I would like you to know I am solidly behind your position on this epic clusterfuck, thanks for posting up with high frequency.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Otto.
Our stuff is trivial. I saw you digging in as well and This is one I just can’t let go of. “When good men do nothing” is not something I want to have to defend in front of God.

TampaRed

it was me–
i don’t doubt that politicians are taking advantage of this but to believe that it was all coordinated is too much–

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Red.
And you would be right if it were just us humanoids trying to pull it off.
“For we battle not against flesh and blood”.

BL
BL

TRed- How do you explain the simulation exercises just weeks before this thing went live? The simulation was for the exact same virus scenario. There have been more than one virus simulations.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

BL
Also the Reckefeller foundation gamed this very scenario in 2010. I was Rocky who gave the world the Pharma Industrial Complex.

TampaRed

i can’t explain it–

SeeBee
SeeBee

I guess these folks have never seen the inside of a NYC hospital on a regular old run of the mill day. Makes that video look like they are slacking off.

Hillaryscrustyminge
Hillaryscrustyminge

Has anyone seen Mike Hunt? I’m looking for Mike Hunt. A little humor for the doom porn gang.

BB

Well everything seems ok out in Nevada where I am today.You would never know anything is wrong.Iguess it depends on where you are.If this keeps going the economy will get worse or maybe collapse. That’s what worrys me.An economic collapse.Things are great in the Trucking business . Plenty of work. Don’t know. This is hard to figure out.Anyway Stay Safe ,Stay alert. God bless.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer

Stay safe on the road BB. Keep firing in reports from on the ground.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

BB,

I find it more than a little disturbing that no one is talking about the financial effects this will have on local municipalities, cities and counties. Think about it. The longer this lockdown, business closure hoodwink continues, the tax coffers that these municipalities rely on to balance budgets will dwindle. THEN, they will go , hands out to the FEDS and lose further autonomy .
MASS CENTRALIZATION!!! TOTAL TAKEOVER.
Go complain to your city council and they will tell you the new laws and curfews implanted will be as a condition stipulated in their bailouts.

Welcome to Nazi Murika 2020

overthecliff
overthecliff

Plato, the virus is real but you are so right. It is an excuse to be uses by PTB. They never let a crisis go to waste.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

Overthecliff,

I have no doubt the virus is genuine. Whether it’s something mother nature concocted to thin the herd or a bioweapon created by man is irrelevant during this time.

Look at my response to HSF above. I’m a firm believer that many of us in California have already had some form of it the past few months.
My son missed a week of school back in February for a week with a high grade fever and a cough. After the 3rd day of a fever I took him to the doctor and they said he had a virus.
My buddies dad was so I’ll for a week or 2 that once he recovered, he stopped drinking his tall cans that he drank from sun up to sun down everyday since I’ve known him.

So a lot of these “protective” orders is to confine people home while the stock market crash continues and to provide a “legitimate” excuse the PUBLIC will back to arrest and detain indefinitely any groups of people who try to gather in protest!

Mygirl...maybe

The issue with this virus is that it causes pneumonia, viral pneumonia and that is no joke. It hits fast, it affects the lungs all over and it destroys lung tissue at an alarming rate. It is NOT the flu or a ‘bug.’

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

Blah blah blah, yes some viruses kill their hosts , doesn’t mean it justifies shutting down every aspect of our livelihoods!!
Unless of course the virus is a smokescreen to put in place the supposed legal requirements to detain people from gathering together in public to air grievances against those in power who with flicks of the pens will give away hundreds of BILLIONS of DOLLARS to corporations who participated in stock buybacks and other shenanigans.

Epidemic = smokescreen for reset button being pushed on global economy and provide legal justification to the Nazi MOB to indefinitely arrest and detain anyone who tries to exercise their natural rights of free movement and association

Mygirl...maybe

Time will tell, let us hope you are immune. Where were you when China was in the news? What do you know about pandemics? Apparently not much.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

mgm
what do you know about pandemics that the government didn’t tell you?

Diogenes
Diogenes

Not everyone who gets the Wuhan Flu gets pneumonia or else it would be the Black Plague. You are big time hyping it now

Comrade BL
Comrade BL

Flea & Dio- The Russians are implying that GB Sarin gas is being used to make sure that selected patients are “retired” properly. That is not cricket , damn Nazis. Do you agree with the Russians?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Bl.
80% lean that way. I posted two lenghty articles on “What can be done” yesterday and the follow up today that I will link here. It’s got the most info on Sarin use full of Documentation regarding our clandistine Bio-Weapons labs overseas and our use of low dose Sarin Gas on Italy and Iran.
http://www.veteranstoday/2020/03/21/russia-us-army-israel-using-low-dose-sarin-gas-to-supplement-cv19-deaths
By Ian Greenblaugh. I posted it to warn our young rebels to fight smarter not harder.

Comrade BL
Comrade BL

Flea- Interesting that the international presstitutes are not reporting any of this and one could say that we are looking at a global culling of unnatural nature to coincide with the global economic collapse. Did Trump make a bet with Malthus for one dollah that he could starve Americans down to 150 MILLION in number while they sat around watching Faux News?

Trump is reported to be planning to completely close drive thru and pick-up access to restaurants leaving only grocery and pharmacies open. Is this mostly a manufactured event to kill half of us off? Is this the dawn of the Commie NWO or was that just a rouse?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Bl.
I know I can get tiresome with my “I told you so’s”. But that is exactly what I said would be done 8 weeks ago. They will allow the somewhat prepared to draw down their supplies first by closing all but the large grocers and drugstores. When you come in for food or drugs for Mom and the Kids you will have to commit to a complete search of your home and property. No searchy, no eaty. Are you going to watch your children go hungry each night.
A brief study of how the Brits defeated the Boers and later the Malaysian Guerillas is instructive. I’ve repeated here often how we refined those tactics in the Mekong delta. I can’t verify that we used sarin there but I watched us use quite a few other methods and participated in my share.
Let me say one last thing here. This take a walk with the kids and enjoy the lockdown is a softening tactic.
“Gee honey, this no work thingy is nice”. This time next year we will have been given our assigned workplace where we will toil 72 hours a week in the weapons factories and plants that produce bare necessities and be living in homeless shelters that were one motels etc. All modeled after the texas prison work program. The laws for forced civilian labor have been in force for a long time. Not that it is needed. Hopefully my straw boss won’t be Mygirl or cowgirl or jdog.

Comrade BL
Comrade BL

Well, I’m working on my Russian language skills just the same. I no longer have a shit to give and if this government sells us out, starves us and jackboots us into slave labor, I hope the Trumpeteers are proud of their selves. Trump the SAVIOR, my ass.

Comrade BL
Comrade BL

ruse, my bad.

Diogenes
Diogenes

Hell I think they might use it to go live marital law and round up those who are awake. They already are gonna use it cover the economic crash

Mygirl...maybe

They called it Wuhan Pneumonia for a reason in the beginning. There was no testing and the death certificates stated death by pneumonia. It results in pneumonia many times more than does the flu and the big danger with this virus is that it so frequently results in pneumonia. Look it up.

Chubby Bubbles
Chubby Bubbles

Our selectboard has waived interest fees on late prop.tax payments, but the town clerk, in a separate message, reminded people that if their taxes go into arrears (I think it is over 60 days) there’s a $30 fee as it moves along into the process of liens and tax sales.. none of which timetables have changed.

SeeBee
SeeBee

“If this keeps going the economy will get worse or maybe collapse. That’s what worrys me.An economic collapse.”
BB….the economy has already collapsed. Phase II THE SOLUTIONS.

Doctor de Vaca

Actually went to high school with a guy named Mike Hunt. He died of alcohol poisoning. Wonder why?

Brian Reilly
Brian Reilly

Money quote:”There are fates worse than death, and a life of tyranny and slavery is one of them”. Sorry to inform you , bro, but most (way past 50%) Americans find the prospect of a life without TP or a good internet signal to be a fate worse than death. The trade of liberty for security was made a long, long time ago. Now we are actually going to close the deal ot, and square up on the balance of trade. Most people will be fine with it. It might get a little sporty in a few places, but not many, and not anywhere that can’t be ignored.

TampaRed

especially the internet signal,a handful of leaves just don’t get a clear signal–

TampaRed

here’s how to make toilet paper so all you need now is a good internet signal & you’ll be free to be a revolutionary–
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-20-how-to-make-diy-toilet-paper.html

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

In the desert SW you can just use Cholla cactus.

TampaRed

armstrong economics,”is the arrogance over quarantine leading to social unrest”
he says that some of his contacts are telling him that we’re having riots that aren’t being reported–have any of you guys in the bigger cities heard about this in your city?

Is the Arrogance Over Quarantine Leading to Social Unrest?

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

How do we determine whether a chimp out where a store is looted by a flash mob has anything to do with Wuhan or just another day in the big city?

Unonymous
Unonymous

I just posted this on the “What can we do now” thread and will leave it here as well…

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I had a Zoom teleconference meeting with about a dozen people online recently, including a lead doctor at a flyover country hospital who had just made the decision to shut down elective surgeries there. He said this thing is out of control and coming fast. He is taking it so seriously that he has self-quarantined in his own house, away from his family.

Needless to say, it was very a sobering discussion.

And, these headlines today are very disturbing indeed:

DOJ seeks new emergency powers amid coronavirus pandemic

The Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies

… Documents reviewed by POLITICO detail the department’s requests to lawmakers on a host of topics, including the statute of limitations, asylum and the way court hearings are conducted.

and

Trump eyes two-week quarantine, only drug and grocery stores open

The unprecedented action would require everyone to “stay at home,” according to a source knowledgeable of the evolving plan.

The effort, which is still being mulled and wouldn’t be announced until early next week if needed, would urge that all businesses, except grocery stores and pharmacies, be closed.

It comes on the heels of other insider reports that the president is considering grounding all U.S. passenger flights to force a halt in people interacting and moving around the country.

and

Lakewood Police Arrest Homeowner For Hosting Pop-up Wedding With More Than 50 People

Lakewood police say they have responded to approximately 17 calls for violations of the social distancing restrictions laid out by the state.

On Friday, Murphy said he expects to issue more restrictions on social distancing, probably Saturday, but didn’t indicate what that might be.

As I’ve stated before. This sh*t is real because it’s happening.

(Doug / Uncola) – posting Unonymously to avoid being spammed

Mygirl...maybe

My, my….so now this shit is real? Funny how that happened almost overnight….who could have seen it coming?

Unonymous
Unonymous

@ MGM,

Go back and show me one time where I ever said, unequivocally, it wasn’t real.

Truth is, I don’t know if it’s real and you don’t know either. It really could be the flu and all the videos and interviews we see on YouTube and TV could be staged.

Look what they pulled off already with Kennedy and, as some people believe, the moon.

So we’re all speculating right now, My Girl, including you.

The more I think about it, the more I realize COVID-19 is a perfect means for global reset – and, it had to happen under a Republican president. Why? Because it is the conservatives who own the guns.

If all this was happening under Hillary, Biden, Sanders, et al, there would be politicians hanging from street lights in DC. But Trump is the great anesthetizer.

For the past couple years I’ve been writing article after article on how everything we’ve been watching has seemed like a reality TV show; a movie in our mind’s eye.

So I ask you … What if Hillary, Trump, Russiagate, Mueller, Ukrainegate, impeachment … all of it… was part of the plan; distractions and cover stories for the build-up to what what is happening now?

It’s perfect. Too perfect, if you ask me. And the timing was impeccable.

So is the virus a real threat? Or is it all another hoax in the minds of hypnotized sheep now cowering in their homes, peering out their windows and looking at their neighbors with suspicion and disdain for not wearing masks and standing six feet apart?

Once again: Does it matter?

(Doug / Uncola) – posting Unonymously to avoid being spammed

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug

There you go, reasoning with a woman. You have the patience of a married man.

Mygirl...maybe

There you go, reasoning with a woman. You have the patience of a married man.

No, he’s intelligent and capable of rational discourse and is willing to engage in such. I may disagree with Uncola, however I respect him and his reasoned arguments. We can engage in reasoned discourse and he’s not threatened by an intelligent woman, unlike some others.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug

He’s useful for your relevance. Threatened? More emotional charge to work with your levered hooks. Now he must prove his bravery, and shouldn’t we all?

https://en.wikimannia.org/Shaming_tactics#Charge_of_Cowardice_.28Code_Yellow.29

Mygirl...maybe

Why yessir, it’s my feminine wiles that have him caught under my thumbs….methinks he’s man enough to avoid my ‘levered hooks’ and not get all caught up in being brave because….then again….
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Unonymous
Unonymous

And you are intelligent MGM. For sure. Smarter than a whip. Even when yer crackin’ it?

Unonymous
Unonymous

30+ years

Mygirl...maybe

Did China escape your notice again? Italy? Iran? Are they ALL hoaxes? Are they all part of the plan to overthrow the country?

I don’t speculate without research, anyone can come up with knee jerk reactions to events and impart sinister motive where none exists, and, conversely, said knee jerk reactions can also ignore or gloss over hidden and truly sinister motives.
I research and I research scientific publications, clinical research studies that are posted online. When I encounter a disease that the doctors don’t know how to treat I research and learn. Does the Lancet lie? Is it part of some CIADUH whatever conspiracy? When the NIH posts studies on the virus are they all part of a psyops?

Here’s an interesting article on the etiology of the disease in China, think it’s a hoax? New England Journal of Medicine.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032

What you overlook is ‘never letting a crisis go to waste.’ Instead of thinking how the virus is engineered to create a crisis and collapse systems, perhaps you should examine how certain entities will use a crisis as a tool for precipitating events towards a specific goal. Political opportunism abounds here, ditto those seeking cover for criminal actions. You think the malefactors don’t pay attention to worldly events with an eye on how to use them for their benefit?

Unlike 9-11, this virus wasn’t created to push for war and the creation of the Patriot Act. If anything it is being used to cover for the global financial collapse and all the misery which that will entail.

As to: Does it matter? Have you ever had pneumonia? Have you ever been hospitalized for a serious illness? Of course it matters.

Here, read some articles from the New England Journal of Medicine, they have a well done compilation of research on the ‘fake’ virus. Then again, maybe they’re a front too?

https://www.nejm.org/coronavirus

Unonymous
Unonymous

Does it matter?

Maybe, My Girl. Maybe not.

As I just posted on another thread:

If this was a planned event, which certainly appears it was, then the virus is either a real killer or it’s not. And if it is a real killer, then there’s no way in hell the elite would allow it released if they thought they could potentially be infected. Unless they already have a vaccine. Because, then, they could create the chaos worry-free and perhaps even do a little insider trading on the way.

And regarding Italy and China, the response/crackdown simply does not pair to the numbers of infected and deceased. And if it’s as contagious as they say, then the numbers definitely don’t make sense, even if their response would dovetail to that scenario

I can’t read those links now, but I’ve bookmarked them and will soon.

Stand by

Mygirl...maybe

Stand by

Roger that, over and out…..

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

My girl said,

Instead of thinking how the virus is engineered to create a crisis and collapse systems

The virus isn’t collapsing systems, the response to it is,
The virus is the scapegoat for the inevitable stock market and systemic breakdown that began in earnest in 2008-2009.

Perfect, invisible weapon to scare the herd with enough to set up the lockdown before they realize what is going on.

Mygirl...maybe

“The virus is the scapegoat for the inevitable stock market and systemic breakdown that began in earnest in 2008-2009”.

I’ve been saying that all along. Seems you lack reading comprehension

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

6000 years of sin is simply coming to the Grand Finale.
It’s coming to a wrap and this is just the prelude.
If you think this is bad we ain’t seen nuttin yet.
And then the second coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus the Messiah.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

Uncola,

Great info as always! Much appreciated

TampaRed

a 2 week shutdown,not so bad & somewhat legit–i had actually thought that a 2 week shutdown would allow much of the carriers to be isolated & then be treated so this makes some sense–
also,why not lock down the country region by region 4 a few weeks at a time,identify the carriers & treat them–
eventually though,i suspect that we will have to let it run it’s course at a reduced level so that we don’t completely wreck the country–

more power 4 the justice dept,bs–

ottomatik
ottomatik

Tampa-“why not lock down the country region by region 4 a few weeks at a time”,
“2 week shutdown,not so bad & somewhat legit”.
What? No one is stopping you, or anyone else here from self quarantine. Do I have to hear this every flu season now? Or just the bad flu’s?
The tenor of your post suggests you’re pimpin for tyranny, for the good of us all, of course.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Otto.
I think Mygirl has taken over Reds body. That’s not our Red talking like that.

TampaRed

flea,
she does have a purty mouth–you should be nicer to her & let her use your name 4 awhile–
trust me,she’s worth it–

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Red.
My Oxy only goes up to six, don’t want to go out that way. Asphyxiating afterward is not the same as laying back and smoking a cigarette.

Mygirl...maybe

In your dreams, Round Eyes….

Doctor de Vaca

Yep. Some cretins still think this is a nothing burger or some conspiracy to make us all slaves. This is the real thing. The big bitch slap from Mother Nature that us humans ain’t “all that”. If you conspiracy theorists don’t believe have fun.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug

Right after I die I’ll post that you were right and I was wrong.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Was the marriage consumated?

flash
flash

I think that testing vs actual cases ( 2.7 % critical) has not shown ‘ shit is real ‘ scenario to be fact and FWIW I find MDs to be the least trustworthy people I know , even below car salesman and real estate agents.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

26,380
Currently Infected Patients

25,672 (97%)
in Mild Condition

708 (3%)
Serious or Critical

Italy is a shit show too. To what ends is anyones’ guess.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/
“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three,” he says.

More people died in the heat wave of 2003 during which no one was quarantined.

“During Italy’s heatwave of 2015, so many people died that it lowered the country’s average life expectancy that year. And in 2003, Europe’s worst heatwave in decades killed 18,000 people in Italy alone.”

https://www.thelocal.it/20190626/italy-16-cities-on-red-alert-extreme-heat-heatwave

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

You hysterical ninny’s can piss your panties all you want.
welcome to the New Age Feudalism, you deserve it.

Mygirl...maybe

Yeah, you and your ilk all chose to ignore the facts of the virus, ignore how bad it really is and spent your energy fretting over a possible totalitarian governmental takeover instead.
If you get the virus you gonna fret over the government?
If you get the virus and need a hospital you can go fish because they’ll be full, but hey, you can rest secure in knowing that you told people the virus was a hoax and beware bad government rather than being proactive against the virus.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

Fear the virus! Fear fear fear, shut the fuck up with your fearmongering bullshit…

Like I’ve said, most of us in California have been exposed to it for months already

TampaRed

plato,
you seem to be a good researcher so will you do us a favor?
since you believe that cali has had the virus 4 awhile,how about going back & checking hospitalization records & death records 4 cali 4 the months of nov.,dec.,jan.,feb.,and march 4 the years 2017 thru this month in 2020–
if those records are available it would probably tend to confirm your belief that the state has been exposed 4 longer than it’s believed to have been exposed–
btw,4 those of you who may not be aware of it,trump is deploying navy hospital ships,one to new york & one to seattle–gavin newsome wrote trump saying how badly it will be needed in los angelos vs seattle so apparently he doesn’t believe that it has already had it’s day in cali–

Diogenes
Diogenes

A wife of a manager with a healthcare organization called Scott C one and verified there was a spike in deaths due to pneumonia and organ failure during the months of Jan February due to flu. Of course they were not testing for Kung Flu then

Mygirl...maybe
Anonymous
Anonymous

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Diogenes
Diogenes

Your soul is not your body

Mygirl...maybe

That would explain a lot…you in a heavily Asian area? you in an area that’s been tested alot? You in an area with a sudden spike in pneumonia/ flu related deaths?

Mygirl...maybe

Prove it.

TampaRed

i just checked the usa #s–they are updated at 12am(gmt)–
since midnite there have been 4749 more cases and 32 more deaths–
however,new york(3247) and new jersey(437) comprise over 77% of the new cases–
as to deaths,ny(10) and nj(5) have 46% of the deaths–
is that where our infections are?
are they testing more?
are people traveling thru ny/nj spreading it & continuing on their journeys & it hasn’t hit other areas?
people staying away from each other 4 a couple of weeks would sure help both to tamp down the #s & let us see where the problem areas really are–

Doctor de Vaca

There are so many people crowded together in the NYC metro that it’s an incubatory time bomb that is literally exploding before our eyes.

Nobody
Nobody

The totalitarian takeover is much more dangerous than the virus. The virus is 2-3 weeks of illness and maybe you die. Totalitarian takeover will be a decade or more of war in our own regions or multigenerations of slavery. People like you concern me much more than the virus. The virus is what it is, you might have problems you might not but the ninnies will be demanding for authoritarians to ‘do something’ WILL cause and ALREADY IS causing long term problems.

Ninnies are an evil in the trifecta of tyranny because they fear death and don’t want to live within divine issued laws of creation, they demand slavery to human masters for safety and security. Ninnies are total evil equal to the murderers, thieves, baby eaters of this world because perpetuate and demand slavery for all, are accessories to war crimes and to the total dismantling of the equal application of the natural common law.

Mygirl...maybe

,

Doctor de Vaca

God you’re F’ng obtuse.

igor
igor

Lakewood NJ is the next place to explode. Orthodox Jews refusing to comply with bans on large gatherings. They just don’t care. Now there are expanding into to Howell and Jackson Twp. Blockbusting, not by a real estate agent ,but them, going door to door urging people to sell-OR ELSE.

igor
igor

Lakewood NJ is the next place to explode. Thousands of Orthodox Jews not complying with bans on large gatherings. They just don’t care. Howell and Jackson Twp. are next. Blockbusting, not by a realtor, but by the Orthodox going from house to house asking people to sell–OR ELSE.

nkit
nkit

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.” – C.S. Lewis

ottomatik
ottomatik

Bullseye.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Attn: Mygirl and cow girl.

Mygirl...maybe

Flea?
So now he’s a ‘cow girl’ because he quit buying the bull shit you keep trying to sell? Are omnipotent busybodies immune from disease?

Doctor de Vaca

I’m serious as a heart attack, if this is really all BS go to NYC and start licking door knobs. Send us all pics for proof ya did so. The level of ignorance on this site today is mind numbing. Everything is a F’ng conspiracy. Tell me The Black Death and The 1918 influenza were conspiracy as well. F’ng Jabroni.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

cowgirl
I know you’re serious, that’s why you’re so irrational. 3 years ago on Brandon Smiths site I said it would be the Faux-conservatives like you and mgm who will round up the alt-right and other true conservatives when Trump declares martial law and think you’re doing God and country a favor. I’m starting to look pretty smart. Smith agreed and recently used it in an article.
I’m not surprised I’m right about it or this lockdown being a scam. I’m surprised it’s getting so much traction and support on TBP.

Doctor de Vaca

So the video from Italy is faux. The deaths in Italy is faux. I’m actually pretty certain the news coming out of China is definitely faux. Show me where they said that they’re going to take our guns and arrest us if we are on our way to the store or an essential job. The economy is going to get F’d by either asking us to isolate ourselves and flatten the curve or, if we don’t and this thing comes through and spikes and crashes the Medical System like it did in China and it is doing in Italy. You want to really see panic let’s try that. Our economic system was a house of cards started in 1917 at Jekyl Island. It was going to crash, the Corona Virus just happened to be the trigger. Do you have a degree in medicine or epidemiology, let’s see your bona fides. You have the right to believe whatever in the hell you want. To paraphrase T. Jefferson you can do whatever the hell you want as long as you don’t pick my pocket or break my bones. Well no matter what we’re all going to get our pockets picked with this one, but you are potentially breaking bones/ getting people sick with your paranoia. Also, F’k You calling me a faux conservative you Grabastic piece of amphibian shit. You or the F’ng government show up at my house to take my guns, freedom, or life and you best be prepared to F’ng die because I will be. I’ll go standing in a pile of hot brass. I know where I’m going when I leave this world and the streets there are paved in gold.

Doctor de Vaca

You are living proof that people in general are F’ng assholes. Guess that’s why I tend to be a hermit, don’t like being around assholes.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

are you sure it’s not the people don’t want you around them scaring their kids senseless.

Doctor de Vaca

Go back under the bridge and eat a goat you F’ng troll pos

Anonymous
Anonymous

You guys wannt go have a beer out in the garden with Joe Biden?

Mygirl...maybe

Biden? Well, he does have hairy legs that children love to rub.

Doctor de Vaca

Flea,
I’m going to agree with you that the last thing I want to see in this country is the loss of our liberty. It’s what we’re all about. We however will not ever agree on the current reality of how critical this virus is or isn’t and how we should handle it. My hope is that none of us get this Wuhan Flu. I know as a person with medical training that’s not going to happen. Some of us if not all of us will eventually get it and some of us will die, that’s reality. I voluntarily chose to isolate and when I’m at work as a Veterinarian I will wear my PPE and take every precaution to not get nor give this virus. If the government truly attempts to permanently take our life or liberty I’ll stand with those patriots who choose to uphold the liberties our ancestors fought so hard to obtain and keep. I think everyone is more than a little on edge and as Uncola stated take a chill pill and call me in the morning. Arguing with you is like arguing with my family. Sometimes you got just step back and let the other person have their own perspective and call it good at that. I extend an Olive branch if you’re willing to take it.

Jai Seli
Jai Seli

Psst, “citYzens/urbies/coasters/NON-productive, Soros-subsidized chump-change ‘entitleds'” – tick-tock! Welcome to the PTB’s SERF-HERD!
To the inland, rural, REPENTed/REDEEMed, “GATHERed together”, GUNned, GARDENed, provisioned/productive, AND . . . SIMPLIFIED – continue to “THRIVE in place”.
MAGA – Make America GRATEFUL/GRACIOUS ALWAYS.
NO FEAR/HATE – parry past all the gov/corp-owned media bull-schiff.
“JC, always before of me” – Hoo-rah.

Timmy75
Timmy75

DEMOCRACY: The process by which those of whom adore authority and crave the security of servitude can, by their superior number, enslave those of us that wish to be free.

“Democracy is the absurd proposition that when stupid people unite to speak in one voice, that somehow makes them smarter.” –H L MENCKEN

mike
mike

“herd immunity”
WTF is so hard to understand about this concept?
If we have a R0 > 1 (=an infected person on average successfully infects more than 1 other person) the virus will spread exponentially. The ones who get infected -if they survive-, after 2-4 weeks are assumed to be immune to reinfection with the same virus.
When those numbers of immune people get bigger the probability that the virus infects another, but not yet immune, person declines. (While the probability that the virus attempts but fails to infect an immune person increases.)
This is turn lowers the effective R0 in that population.
When effective R0 drops below 1, the new infections quickly peter out. “Quickly”, is like in 4-6 weeks.

Now the question remains: what percentage of the population needs to become immune (by getting sick and surviving), so the spread stops, as R0 dropped < 1 ?
Well for R0=3 it's obviously around 67%.

Mygirl...maybe

mike: go research immunity and relapse from re-infection of this virus. It ain’t natural.

mike
mike

I wrote “assumed to be immune” and “same virus” for a reason.
RNA-based code mutates rather quickly, and then it’s potentially not the same virus anymore, from an immune system point of view.

I am however skeptical about the China/Iran/Italian straight-line purported connections, but that changes nothing about general spread of a single virus variant.

Unonymous
Unonymous

“herd immunity”

One of the most Orwellian terms ever concocted, by the way.

mike
mike

Feel free to suggest a better one.

Because it’s true, for a randomly chosen ~10%: the herd protects you, first by probability, then by immunity stopping the spread.

Jdog
Jdog

I suppose the reaction to this varies depending on where you live. Where I live, people go about their lives pretty much the same, with the exception of better hygiene, and respecting others personal space. If anything, they are actually acting a little more civilized, a little kinder.

Of course where I live, prepping has always been just common sense, and people expected that this debt riddled economy would end badly. But then this is a conservative agricultural area.

I am sure the liberal cities are dealing with this with much more disbelief, and panic. After all they are completely dependent on the system, to see it falter and fail must be very disconcerting.

To see the market shelves bare, and the streets empty must appear to them to be the end of the world. What it is actually is the realty that cities exist only because of outside support. They are an artificial environment completely dependent on the support the rest of the country supplies. The rest of the country the people of the city want to strip of any political say or input by eliminating the electoral college.

Here we are not concerned about martial law, or the implementation of of tyranny. We realize the system we have, while not perfect by any means, does for the most part self correct. Any type of power grab that would give power over our lives to agencies like the DOJ would need to be passed by Congress, and for elected officials to do anything like that against the will of the people would be political suicide.

That being said, I can see the need for a higher degree of law enforcement in the liberal cities. Chaos and crime may begin to threaten the general safety. Liberalism has encouraged the culture of belief in the governments ability to provide for all the needs of the people, and when it is not able to do so, panic may ensue. The entire liberal culture will need to deal with a reality they are not mentally equipped to deal with.

The good news is, what we are going through is part of a cycle. It has happened before, and we know what results from it. The children who will grow up in the new hard times that are coming will be realists. They will see the results of liberal economics, and liberal politics, and they will reject both. When they become adults, they will usher in a new period of conservatism, just as the children of the great depression did.

The bad news is, we have some very difficult times to navigate before those days come…

Mygirl...maybe

jdog: kudoes for a well reasoned and thoughtful post. I daresay I agree heartily with what you just wrote.

Anonymous
Anonymous

My 2 bits: “law enforcement” will be proven archaic.

John Galt
John Galt

The citi boys will see biting the hand that fees them makes them a slave. Funny how the old dirt farmers becomes the soup nazi and says no food for you snowflake, by simply not planting crops or only small enough to be deemed a victory garden. Show them who is in charge. They will eventually see how important these rednecks with skills are to their own survival in the city that relies on everyone outside the city to produce. Their thinking is flawed. They thought they controlled the redneck farmers because they drove BMW’s made lots of money by selling overpriced tulips to the next sucker like stock and real estate. Eventually the tulip is seen for what it is a tulip just like a house (shelter) or a stock (ownership in a productive business) unlike teslas bullshit.

These people will come to understand and value the value of a dollar which represents a stored labor of some sort. When there is no labor associated with a dollar it is meaningless and valueless. You cannot eat money and if nobody wants that paper and prefers a potato you better know a farmer or know how to farm and better have at least one potato to start with.

This will cause a global depression. Unknown the outcome, but in all crashes and crisis there is an opportunity to go completely broke or cash in for generational wealth. You must choose wisely. I have found through historical understanding that if you simply side with the govt thought process and use insight, by understanding that govts always do things to strengthen their power and stronghold upon a people you can make bank. Knowing the govt will protect banks, critical infrastructure, things that keep them in control you at least know the sectors of wealth to be made. Positioning yourself appropriately will be key.

Never underestimate political power and friendships. Being in the know is key when looking at history. The laws will not protect your rights or property rights. Having contacts and relationships will be key as history has shown. History is filled with businesses that were properly positioned only to be taken over by a politicians friend or family member to take advantage for generational wealth. They will use imminent domain as their weapon. Crisis and emergency as their tool.

Prepare accordingly to either go broke or make generational wealth as this comes every fourth turning And you are slap dead in the middle of it. Doing nothing, making no moves will make you and generations nothing more than sheep or peasants because you were to scared or ignorant to cash in. Some time you must make a decision for the next generation. Maybe gold and silver will be made illegal for 50 or 80 years. Maybe you store it for your great grandkids. Many of our decisions are not to benefit ourselves but our offspring. But we must teach them first. History is replete with instances of children of nazi Germany ratting out their parents, or McCarthyism…Claiming their parents were communist.

Having the ability to provide some privacy (land), as well as sustenance like food production (land again) in a not so cherished place where some politician can see themselves getting enriched by stealing your land is key for generational wealth. Politicians are greedy for themselves and not their offspring. They are notorious narcissistic psychopaths unlike us, that look for generational wealth opportunities. Position yourself to do well but allow your offspring to prosper and their offspring to become greatly wealthy. Or sit back do nothing and become cannon fodder or sheeple for generations of your bloodline. Earn it.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Just up on ZH
COVID-19 EVIDENCE OVER HYSTERIA.
http://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-evidence-over-hysteria
Some of you Chumps are being Changed.

mike
mike

A complete moron wrote that article.

After posting this logarithmic chart

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to be writing a chapter title “COVID-19 is spreading, but probably not accelerating
is actually proof of complete idiocy.

Mygirl...maybe

Yeah, I caught that too, also that he bases much of what he wrote on the CDC’s articles, the same CDC that initially said you don’t need face masks and the virus was nothing and wash your hands to now where it says to quarantine under force of law! I also like where he says to send the kiddies back to school now, especially in places like in New York or New Jersey.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

You are constantly quoting establishment figures and info but when he does it it is no good.

Diogenes
Diogenes

Look the figures for infected only contains those who have been tested. They are many more who have been infected but got through it. So the death Rate is way over stated

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Diogenes.
I’m missing your point. He was demonstrating the absurdity of all the info coming in. Mike and mgm are just trying to find fault with something, anything so they can discredit anyone pointing out the absurd hysteria taking over because they are full invested in it.

mike
mike

Bagofrocks
Someone describing an exponential growth (which is a straight increasing line on a logarithmic chart, for the under-equipped)
to be “probably not accelerating”
is just a minor, inconsequential slip?
And can never be grounds for discrediting??

Mygirl...maybe

“…Some of you Chumps are being Changed.”

Uhm , no. This is a quote from the zerohedge article…..seems he takes the virus seriously while also remarking on how more people are scared of government reaction to the virus.
“When 13% of Americans believe they are currently infected with COVID-19 (mathematically impossible), full-on panic is blocking our ability to think clearly and determine how to deploy our resources to stop this virus. Over three-fourths of Americans are scared of what we are doing to our society through law and hysteria, not of infection or spreading COVID-19 to those most vulnerable.”

He’s interjecting some common sense. I never said this virus was going to end-the-world-as-we-know it. What you never seem to understand is that I rail against the attitude that this virus is a hoax, a nothingburger, that it is merely a tool used to destroy America as we know it. It is serious, it is deadly, it is contagious and it can overwhelm and destroy medical systems as is happening in Italy at present and happened in China from the beginning. That is my point!

Known Associate
Known Associate

Until all people, and i mean all, are tested, any claim to a death rate is total fabrication. First, we have to agree on the way we measure it. Is it a percentage of total population, or of total tested population or maybe total tested symptomatic population, or WTF?

The stats are obviously many, and not in agreement, except in their individual adherence to some commercial or political objective.

How many people do you know personally who are sick with anything unusual?

Who do you know who can speak to the validity (never mind the availability) of any testing?

Statistics were invented to obscure common sense for routine observations.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2

If you get sick, what is your incentive to get tested? None. Less than none.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Emerging new message from “the authorities”: no need to get tested, citizen who gets tested is inconsiderate (soon to be “citizen is a murderer”) of those who really deserve to be tested. The rocket ship of insanity is about ready to blast off.

Mygirl...maybe

So everybody must be tested to determine a death rate for the virus. Guess that applies to all diseases then, right?

Llpoh
Llpoh

There are two ways to measure this stuff:

1) deaths per 100,000 of population
2) death percentage of those who catch it.

You cannot at all know the second without testing everyone, especially if there is a great percentage of those with the virus that show few or no symptoms. That number may be as high as 80%.

What we do know is that this shit does kill a high percentage of those over 70, especially those over 80, due to weakened immune systems associated with age and underlying medical issues.m

Anonymous
Anonymous

It doesn’t kill them. For the most part they die as they were going to anyway. They test positive for antibodies to this virus and so the death is attributed to the virus.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Statistics at work: Put the left feet of 100 statisticians in ice water, their right feet in boiling water and each will say things are about average.

Articles of Confederation

I always liked the statistic that the average person has one tit and one testicle.

Anonymous
Anonymous

The virus was here before.

It has just been recently identified. Like finding a new species of insect in the rainforest.

Some percentage of the population already have antibodies for this virus.

The more you test, the more you will find. Forever. Until everyone in the world is tested and the percentage who were exposed … before 2019 … is determined.

The deaths being attributed to Covid are those who die WITH the virus and not because of the virus.

Corona Bologna Italy: The Truth begins to leak out

Any of the 12.5 million people who have died so far this year could be attributed to Covid if they have antibodies to this pre-existing virus.

https://www.medindia.net/patients/calculators/world-death-clock.asp

The older you get, the more likely that you have antibodies to this virus … and many others. So, when you primarily test older people with existing ailments, you will find more positive results.

The number of positive test results can go up almost forever.

Sorry to say, this is all a psyop. The most massive actual conspiracy ever, yet most of those involved in carrying it out have no idea and believe the threat is real.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Coronavirus: Language as a weapon of mass destruction. By Juliana Barembuem.
http://www.sott.net/article/431115-coronavirus-language-as-a-weapon-of-mass-destruction
Short 20 minute educational video.

Llpoh
Llpoh

I have been sitting on the sidelines watching and thinking and preparing best I can. Here is what I think:

1) I think this shit is real. I am not as dooming as MyGirl, but I am closer to her position than those effectively calling hoax. What is happening in Italy is no hoax. This shit is mowing down the sick elderly at a high rate, and that is a certainty. Italy is losing close to 1000 a day, and that is largely concentrated in the north. If it gets into the poor south, holy shit is it going to slaughter the elderly.

2) this is going to be a sine wave process. Quarantines of large sections of the population for a few weeks, followed by several weeks of calm, followed by quarantine again as cases ramp up again. This will continue until either herd immunity happens, a very good treatment occurs, or a good vaccine is developed. So I expect this to take six to eighteen months.

3) I believe that the US will spend $3 to $5 Trillion over the next 12 months or so trying to prop up the economy and the sectors that would otherwise fail. Those sectors include airlines, cruise ships, travel agents, restaurants, hotels, kennels, etc. This is likely going to result in a world-wide depression.

4) I think it is going to carve a wide swathe through Africa and the Middle East and India.

5) I think that it will result in a rethink of globalisation. It may not result in a pullback int the US, but it may result in more into Mexico, and perhaps Canada.

6) I think Warren Buffett will come out of this as the richest man once again. He has stockpiled enormous amounts of cash, and will swoop in as soon as he identifies the industries/businesses that are critically, but not mortally, injured, buying them for cents on the dollar.

I think this is no joke. I think anything that kills 10% of those aged 80+ that get it is not funny, and that if it kills 3% of over 60s I sure as hell do not want to get it.

This shit will sweep through time and again until herd immunity, a cure, or vaccine is developed. If it is herd immunity, then perhaps 5 million older Americans will die. That is unacceptable.

I do not want to see folks like my friend Fleabaggs fall to this thing.

Everyone take care out there.

mike
mike

on 2
a) Sine wave? You are wildly optimistic what a quarantine can achieve, especially “quarantines” where people are still allowed to freely go grocery shopping.
b) On the other hand if this takes longer than 12 months, there will be no economy left which could get restarted.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Mike – quarantine will flatten the curve substantially, likely bringing the doubling rate below 6 days, which will result in a slow burning out of the numbers sick, as that is above the 5.1 average days incubation period, but not an elimination. When the numbers drop, restrictions will be lifted, and the disease, because it is not eradicated, will take off again. This will cycle for a long time, until herd immunity, a vaccine, or a cure is implemented.

A total lockdown of say 4 or 6 weeks will not work, as it can only work if the entire world does it. Otherwise, even if you entirely close borders, it will slip back in, and away you go again.

mike
mike

You basically ignored my points and repeated your argument verbatim.
It is impossible to slow down virus spread to a level where the hospitals are not overwhelmed without my point b) going into full effect.

Try yourself: http://covidsim.eu/

Anonymous
Anonymous

Seven days from now we may well all be whistling a different tune. Personally, and given the recent deer-in-the-headlights reactions of many of our elected overlords, I expect to see lockdowns to be significantly tightened. Stay healthy, stay alert; don’t expect much from government.

Doctor de Vaca

Look at any and all disasters. The Gubmint is not your friend all they’re for is to come pick up the pieces. Best be prepared to take care of yourself.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Expect a lot from government.

House arrest. “Lockdown” as a nice euphemism for martial law. Indefinite detentions sans due process or Habeas for breaking quarantine. As much hype as necessary to keep the psy-op going.

And then, … they disappear.

To undisclosed locations.

C.O.G.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Mike – you are dumber than a sack of hammers. Yes, I restated my points and augmented them as clearly you were too dense to get the drift the first time.

Your first point was that I am optimistic about what a quarantine can achieve. I did not offer an opinion on that other than that it would create a sine wave effect. Which it fucking will, you moron. The system will get overwhelmed, probably, then cases will reduce, then restrictions will be lifted, then cases will increase. Etc. Thus a sine wave effect.

Second, I did not comment on your second point, because stupid does not require a response. But if this lasts 12 months, there will be severe damage done, followed by the greatest opportunity to achieve in the last 100 years. But the idea that the economy cannot be restarted is idiotic. Of course it will be restarted. And it will offer enormous opportunities. It will be different, but it will be restarted.

If this lasts 12 months, the idiotic sheep who thought that their cushy way of life will get slaughtered, figuratively, en masse, but the non-snowflakes will grab this bear by the balls and ride that fucker to glory.

Doctor de Vaca

Llpoh,
I like your mind set. This crisis has already broken the current system. This IMHO is the big reset. Those who make it out of the other end will have the chance of a fresh start and those with the moxie will grab life by the balls. But, you have to make it out the other end first.

mike
mike

You are fucking stupid.
It cannot become [upper half of] a sine wave without lock-down for 18 months plus.

The system will get overwhelmed, probably, then cases will reduce

That’s your “logic”?
Do you have more then two working brain cells to rub together??

Cases will reduce because the [healthcare] system gets overwhelmed
Because the virus strictly limits itself to only infect people inside hospitals???

What a fucking clown you are!!

Doctor de Vaca

Agreed,
Total lock down for extended period will not break this. It will draw things out, take some load off of the medical system but it’s still going to be stretched beyond capacity. When this gets real, when people you know personally start to die. People will then self isolate and if they have it available wear PPE.

John Galt
John Galt

This is a cascading failure as well as a softening to tryanny. They do not want the health system to get overwhelmed because that would cause chaos. Instead its a two pronged strategy slowly lock down, start with big liberal cities show promise, then move it across the countries starting with mayors then governors. Then allow people to get used to it. Then martial law. They Could not do this immed in a highly armed freedom loving country. It must be done in stages to win certain sheeps mind over so there is dissension within your own household. Sheeple women/wives that trust govt vs husbands that smell tyranny afoot.

Anonymous
Anonymous

The number of cases with positive test results will go up for as long as it needs to.

They could start attributing deaths from auto accidents to Covid if the person who dies first tests positive for Covid antibodies.

splurge
splurge

They wouldn’t even test, if they want the numbers they just make them up.

ottomatik
ottomatik

4) Asia and Africa. Have you seen the average age for Africa and India, they’re full of teenagers. Covid is not going to even scratch these populations. Africa is 19.7 years old.
So, no.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Otto – they are a sickly bunch with no healthcare to speak of, and this disease seems to target the generally unwell with poor immune system. I anticipate the starving types to crater if respiratory illness starts floating around. However, you make a good point. Time will tell.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Llpoh.
The lethality is not my real issue. To me the Hoax is in getting the public to demand the government put the country in lockdown and the governament pretending to resist. Pleas don’t throw me in that brier patch. Meanwhile Trump pretends to resist like a highschool girl saying stop as she helps you loosen her bra.
When the Who directer used to work for bill (I loves me some vaccines) Gates and the Banksters couldn’t stretch the Ponzi out even another month it makes me skeptical.

Plato_Plubius
Plato_Plubius

Flea,

Exactamundo!!! Next week, more stock market volatility and lobbying for corporate TOO BIG TO FAIL BAILOUTS , then announcement of domestic travel restrictions a national lockdown and national guard deployed by end of next week, that is if Italy is a model for what’s to come.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Be more than skeptical. There, mostly, is no lethality.

It is a real virus, and it may indeed be spreading; but it only contributes to death as a complication to a pre-existing illness. Some people with severe ailments may actually be being harmed (or killed) by being given anti-viral treatments to stop a virus that would not otherwise kill them.

The entire global economy is going to collapse. COLLAPSE.

It will not happen over night. We will gradually slide into a depression from which there will be no recovery. This is TEOTWAWKI. Those you don’t trust — for good reason — have known for some time that this was coming. It could have happened under Obama, but it happened now instead. I wonder how long Trump has known.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

THIS IS NOT NORMAL!!!
Today’s Corbett report on You Tube.

Mary Christine

It was a very good Corbett and only 4ish minutes.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Most of the WHO’s funding is private, not from governments.

The Gates Foundation makes huge donations to the WHO. The Gates Foundation could be the biggest source of WHO’s money, or not, who (WHO) can say?

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

Berkshire’s hundred or two hundred billion in cash is why they never drop like other stocks in a crisis or bad economy. Buffet will buy entire corporations. He looks to be interested in buying an airline or two to go along with wholly owned BNSF Railroad. I expect to be buying more of it (BRK-B) in short order if I don’t gack from this flu.

Llpoh
Llpoh

Harrington – I am sure Warren and his sidekick stayed alive just so they could have this one moment of opportunity. An opportunity like this has not come around in their lifetimes, and they have the cash to take advantage of it. They will die with a smile on their faces.

Another company I can think of that might be wise to entirely shift gears and become an investment company is Apple. I believe they too are sitting on a ginormous pile of cash.

Apple Air has a certain ring to it, no? Apple Cruises, Apple Travel Corp, Apple Restaurants and Pizza haven.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

Berkshire is also the third largest holder of Apple stock. 5.6% worth $72 BILLION. Vanguard is the largest holder with Blackrock number two.

Anonymous
Anonymous

About 6-8 years ago Apple floated ~$2 billion of long term bonds “for general corporate purposes” with a ridiculously low (at that time) interest rate around 2%. This from the company with a huge cash stash that was larger than the GDP of many countries. Yeah, something funny is going on.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

People have short memories. There have been times you couldn’t give away Apple stock and they have been in desperate financial condition. They got their shit together big time over the past decade.

Articles of Confederation

Much as I hate to admit this, sir, I’ve come around to the same PoV, and only tonight. I have my reasons and they are informed, real, and clear. I also lean toward the middle of the road on it, as you do.

What worries me is not the virus itself (which I firmly believe to be a result of biological warfare), but the reaction of governments to it. It’s a Western target softener.

Things will never be the same in this country again. My $.02. If we get stuck with a mere “depression” and not where I am certain things are headed, I will feel the Lord blessed us.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

AOC.
Yes. A mere depression would be great news for all. Even or especcially for the libtards and Progressives(Libs off Meds.) because they would have to become conservative to survive.

Llpoh
Llpoh

If this goes 12-18 months, the libtards are going to find themselves working for the conservatives and good ol’ boys they so detest.

Doctor de Vaca

I definitely agree with you on this one Flea.

Doctor de Vaca

I’m afraid you’re right.

Doctor de Vaca

Points we’ll made Lloph and I think you’re pretty much Spot on. This is the trigger for a big reset.

Unonymous
Unonymous

4) I think it is going to carve a wide swathe through Africa and the Middle East and India.

You may be right, Llpoh. And it would have to be real to do so. It is sort of strange it hasn’t begun already, tho. We’ll see. Interesting perspectives all around

TampaRed

it’s starting to carve that swath & combined w/their lack of health reporting i bet it’s already carved a bunch–

Nobody
Nobody

Update on my search for confirmed c19 cases within 3 degree of separation:

I have the first reported death of respitory failure at 3rd degree of separation – friend’s> friend’s>father. Over 60. It was not confirmed to be c19 but presumed at this point due to symptoms and circumstances. If I get confirmation of confirmed case I will report.

Again, I have been on the hunt for confirmed cases of c19 through personal networks outside media/gov sourced info in order to seek accurate reliable info.

Doctor de Vaca

That’s excellent idea. Please keep us updated and sorry about your friend, friends father.

Nobody
Nobody

In another thread comment I asked TBP mods to start thread just for comments that people here report only on confirmed cases and report c19 like illnesses from people within 3 degrees of separation and to ask all others to refrain from comments until they have real info through personal contacts. Not sure if mods saw this.

Can I get a second, third, fourth request on this from TBP tribe? I think for this rightly skepitical crew it may be more valuable than msm/gov/institutional reporting.

Unonymous
Unonymous

RE: 1st, 2nd, & 3rd hand reporting by TBP commenters

Not sure how long Jim will leave up my “Chill Pill” piece, but it’s been featured over a week so far. For now, we could post updates on that thread?

Or, I’ll probably write another one at some point and we could do it on that one. I’m thinking my next article may center around the language of the COVID-19 crisis.

In the meantime, it turned out that my Breakfast Club buddy (who travels the country, had symptoms & was tested for COVID-19) tested negative and did not have the virus.

(Doug / Uncola) – posting Unonymously to avoid being spammed

Mary Christine

I’ll contribute to it, Doug. This thread is so long I can get way ahead when I type a comment.

Meanwhile, I keep wondering why no one practices social distancing at the White House briefings. THey stand around the podium all crammed together like sardines. No masks, no gloves, no nothing. They must be invinceable.

Anonymous
Anonymous

“Presumed”
then
Attributed.

Thank you for trying to get confirmation.

piearesquared
piearesquared

The coronavirus “pandemic” is pure bullshit. This article is mostly correct except for the fact that Brandon seems to think the coronavirus is a significant problem, which it is not. The hysteria is simply to deflect the blame for the implosion of the Everything Bubble, as a minimum, as he correctly points out in the article. However they have ratcheted up the hysteria even beyond what is necessary to provide cover for the collapse of the bubble, so they may have even more sinister intentions. This link here provides a pretty good explanation of what is happening.

The Only Pandemic in America Is Unbridled Fear and a Total Lack of Intelligent Thought

Llpoh
Llpoh

Are you a fucking moron? Anything that kills the elderly at such a high rate is a fucking significant problem.

Italy is not making this shit up. It is killing 1000 old people a day there, and growing. Their system is overwhelmed.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer

You must be feeling like a genius right about now.

How’s the crowd behavior down under?

Llpoh
Llpoh

HSF – Oz has more than its fair share of imbeciles. There is a saying here “she will be right, mate”. A high percentage of Ozzies do not worry about any damn thing, and the the young are still piling into clubs, beaches, etc. in high, compacted numbers. I think it will be a pretty bad scene her in 4 weeks. Italy is not out of the question, though I suspect Ozzies are a bit more robust than Eyeties.

As for me, I have several months supplies in a pinch, endless clean water, a veg garden, etc., and will generally make myself scarce. And I am 100 miles from a big shitty, tho only 20 from a regional center of around 70,000.

I am happy with my decision. As are you, no doubt. I just am trying to figure out the best way for me and mine to survive this shit if it is as bad as some suggest.

TampaRed

italy is on track to catch china if you can believe china’s figures & they already have nearly 1200 more deaths than the chicoms have reported–
anyone who doubts the spread of this in the usa needs to go back up to the link that was posted on this thread & click on usa,then scroll down to the graph–we are almost going straight up & isolation is the only cure 4 the spread of the virus–

flash
flash

Is it ? Facts be damned, I suppose it is.

More people have died in Italian heatwaves, but no hysterical ‘ we’re all gonna die’ quarantines were issued for that. MPAI is an absolute.

“But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.
“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three,” he says. ”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

“Many Italians will remember the European heat wave of 2003, which killed 18,000 people in Italy alone, according to The Local.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-tourists-pompeii-during-europe-deadly-heat-wave-2019-6?op=1

Mygirl...maybe

Heat waves are highly infectious too, aren’t they? A person can infect up to ten people when they get heat waves, right?

flash
flash

Apparently more infectious that muh Corana which has killed only 13,000 over the entire globe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave

The heat wave led to health crises in several countries and combined with drought to create a crop shortfall in parts of Southern Europe. Peer-reviewed analysis places the European death toll at more than 70,000.

Mygirl...maybe

Unfortunately it’s not just old people affected, the average age of the infected was 47 in China. Italy is seeing people in their fifties and younger. Those who survive can expect lung damage.
Permanent lung damage What causes death via the virus is complete pulmonary morbidity. The alveoli and bronchi are destroyed, it obliterates the surface of the lungs which, of course, destroys them..Any fool who still claims this is a cold or the flu needs their asses kicked

Journal of Thoracic Oncology

However, fibroblastic plugs have formed albeit focally, even in this early phase of the disease. These findings indicate that there is progressive consolidation of the lung, which is ultimately the cause of respiratory failure and death. Lung consolidation is not caused by the accumulation of granulocytes and fibrin, but rather by intra-alveolar organization and fibrosis. Therefore, since the respiratory surface of the lung is obliterated, these patients can no longer respond to intubation and oxygen therapy: this is why they die. From this important report , we learn that the virus can establish infection in the lungs where it produces tissue injury well before producing symptoms, including dry cough and fever that occur later on.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

MGM
Nearly identical to the results of seeding the area with aerosolized sarin gas in Italy.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/03/21/russia-us-army-israel-using-low-dose-sarin-gas-to-supplement-cv19-deaths

flash
flash

How , pray tell, does one seed Sarin in rural areas where one or two people, who haven’t left the county in months, die from the flu , but their neighbors aren’t affected ?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Flash.
You’re quite the smart ass. Twisting something to ridicule someone so you look good. I already know you don’t read or view other peoples evidence so it goes without saying you didn’t check the link to see what it might be saying.

flash
flash

I didn’t read the link , but the question is valid. How does Sarin gas skip the entire population of a county to strike one old dude that lives alone and hasn’t traveled in months. Please enlighten me .

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Nobody said it did that. So one or two out in the boonies dies of something that may or may not be this virus. Nobody said someone made a special trip out there to kill them with sarin. The article states the covid infected areas were laced with low dose saring by drone or by release in train stations etc. Just like the virus it harms old people more than others and those that succumb to it appear to die from Pneumonia. Given the current conditions there mass autopsies are impractical so it’s left to someone? to declare cause of death. The fact that we are at war and the history of the Israeli and U.S. lack of concern for humans of any flavor when achieving it’s objectives make it perfectly plausible. I’m not pretending the other powers are not equally sadistic, they just don’t appear to have a motive in Italy and Iran.

flash
flash

You miss the maf. Italians are not dying en masse . No more than have died due to past calamities .See 2003 heatwave. There are Italians dying , some from this virus and others from existing chronic conditions. The numbers are fake , with or without the sarin, 13 thousand have died globally . 70 thousand died in the 2003 during the European heat wave. Keeping these figures in mind, we can surmise that if the CIA and Mossad are killing people with sarin gas, they are doing a really poor job of it.

Statistically the flu kills 250,000–500,000 every year, globally . If people are panicking over 13 thousands deaths , WTF will they do if Corona reaches those levels ?

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Flash.
I have been saying that same thing since Jan and taking plenty of flak too. This Italian thing was in response to the seeming disparity in cases compared to other countries when someone asked me the connection between Italy and China. Then linked here several different times the figures for Italian deaths with 3 or more previous illnesses like diabetes, heart disease etc. and they were completely ignored. Nobody wants evidence that it’s not the black death. Next I mentioned the sarin article in reference to those who may be thinking of fantasies of holding off the U.S. Army from their militia compounds. You took it completely out of context and made it into a big joke.

flash
flash

Lighten up Flea . No awards are being given out. Those fool enough to fortify any structure, even in defensiveness opposition to US military might won’t live long enough to be gassed. Bet on it.

TampaRed

flea,
i’m responding to the comment you posted at 6:41 pm where you stated that we are at war–
i did not read the link,i’ve been very busy who are we at war with?italy?
while i don’t believe that we’d be stupid enough to do it,i could see us dosing the chicoms w/sarin but why italy?

flash
flash

Flea, I care nothing about ” looking good .” What would be the point ? It’s an anon comment section. What could I possibly gain?

I took a gander at your link and noticed right off that the dead by kung flu rate in Italy is a whopping 7.94% . The population of Italy is 6.5 million with 5, 476 deaths which make the dead by kung flu virus rate in Italy 0.008% and even less if you factor in hospitals recording everyone person dying in hospitals treating the corona virus as having died from the virus. I just don’t see a sarin connection . Sorry if I come off as flippant . It is not my intention.

flash
flash

ha ha ha… fear has turned you bullshit detector completely off. See about that before you stroke out and get chalked up as another muh kung flu fatality.

The coronavirus pandemic is exacting a heavy toll on Italy, with hospitals overwhelmed and a nationwide lockdown imposed. But experts are also concerned about a seemingly high death rate, with the number of fatalities outstripping the total reported in China.

Of the 47,000 people confirmed coronavirus patients in Italy, 4,032 so far have died – with a record increase of 627 in the last 24 hours.

By contrast China has almost twice as many cases, 81,250, but 3,253 fatalities.

In very crude terms, this means that around eight per cent of confirmed coronavirus patients have died in Italy, compared to four per cent in China. By this measure Germany, which has so far identified 13,000 cases and 42 deaths, has a fatality rate of just 0.3 per cent.

So why the disparity?

According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics – the nation has the second oldest population worldwide – and the manner in which hospitals record deaths.

“The age of our patients in hospitals is substantially older – the median is 67, while in China it was 46,” Prof Ricciardi says. “So essentially the age distribution of our patients is squeezed to an older age and this is substantial in increasing the lethality.”

A study in JAMA this week found that almost 40 per cent of infections and 87 per cent of deaths in the country have been in patients over 70 years old.

And according to modelling the majority of this age group are likely to need critical hospital care – including 80 per cent of 80-somethings – putting immense pressure on the health system.

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.
“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three,” he says.

Other experts have also expressed scepticism about the available data. Martin McKee, professor of European public health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, says that countries do not yet have a good indication of how many mild infections they have.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

ottomatik
ottomatik

Thanks Flash.

piearesquared
piearesquared

I don’t pay much attention to statistics, as they can be easily manipulated. If you have ever read the book “How to Lie with Statistics” you will see what I mean. (Incidentally that book is still in print – I just checked online.) It is much more important to examine who is presenting the statistics, and what their agendas are, than the statistics themselves. The following link is another good (and quite humorous) explanation of what is happening, and it specifically addresses the situation in “muh Italy” that apparently has so many people freaked out.

Covid-19 Global Lockdown

Llpoh
Llpoh

If you want to bring a dog into Australia, you have to put it into quarantine for months because of the fear of rabies.

But they let people come in from plague nations without so much as a how do you do. And it is still fucking happening.

You cannot make this shit up.

Doctor de Vaca

As a veterinarian I know what you’re talking about. It can take over 6 months to get all the testing and proper paperwork in place to get a dog from the US into Australia with a quarantine for a period still upon arrival. It’s a veritable pain in the ass and I hate doing International Health Certificates. Very similar to many different countries with many different animal species from cattle to swine. If TPTB were as truly worried about Corona as they are about African Swine fever or Foot and Mouth disease nobody would be going anywhere and everyone would be getting tested.

Doctor de Vaca

Found this today…presented without comment
https://apnews.com/9a9267e5e23aa5cd66b1d407e13550e1

TampaRed

don’t know if anyone posted this elsewhere but kenny rogers died last night(friday) at age 81–

Llpoh
Llpoh

Guess he knew when to fold ‘em.

Harrington Richardson
Harrington Richardson

We also know what condition his condition was in. I started listing all his stuff from Kenny Rogers and the First Edition this morning and my kids had never heard any of them except “Condition” and that’s because of it being featured in “The Big Lebowski.” They never heard “Ruby” or “Reuben James” or any of that stuff. The wife started playing some of his duets with Dolly and Dottie West and it was a good old time.

TampaRed

obviously under the coming lockdown old men should not be allowed to have enough time on their hands to sit around & make up stupid jokes–

quick trivia question–w/o looking it up,who wrote ruby & what was it about ?

Doctor de Vaca

RIP

Gleimhart Mantooso
Gleimhart Mantooso

Why does this blog have hentai all over it?

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer

Because you forgot to have your grandchildren install and adblocker for you.

Reluctant Warrior
Reluctant Warrior

I have to say that the level of fear mongering that is going on with this so called Coronavirus pandemic has reached a new zenith. It is a zenith of the preposterous. This is so obviously an effort by the corporate/governmental (same thing) powers that be to gain control over us. Fear is the real killer and right now it is not only killing people and causing severe anxiety but it is also killing local economies and once they are gone we are gone. The stories in both the corporate media and some in the alt media like ‘Natural News’ are truly monumentally preposterous. ‘Natural News’ used to be a reliable and honest source of health information though edging on the side of sensational at times. Now they have really gone overboard with the scaremongering of the public. They even carried a story about a ‘black rain’ that was falling on Japan was caused by ash from the cremation of bodies in China. It is now getting much worse. The sad thing is that they refuse to publish the works of responsible health care professionals who have countered the official narrative with real facts. Instead they claim that anyone who doesn’t believe that this is a real pandemic or just another strain of the flu must be a Trump supporter. How logically fallacious is this? The MSM is also clueless and the best thing you can do now for yourself is to understand that you are not in danger. Have no fear for fear does more to suppress the immune system making you vulnerable to all manner of disease. You will be fine. Stay home for now, eat nourishing foods, stay well hydrated, get at least a half hour of direct sunlight everyday you can, take supplements that support the immune function like plenty of vitamin C and you will not get sick. And this too shall pass. The spring is upon us and all flu viruses like COVID-19 will abate. Don’t watch the news they are merely tools of the establishment that want to frighten you to death…literally if possible. BTW this is a strain of the ‘flu’ that Many doctors are familiar with and have been treating successfully for years. It is the very elderly that are most at risk and the testing that shows people all over are getting it are flawed and create many false positives. This is a huge power play by the NWO.

Articles of Confederation

It’s real, and it’s not naturally occurring. Forget the media, turn off your emotions, and ignore the govt. Llpoh is right. A day before yesterday and I would have played the neener neener game saying he was wrong. (And likely getting my ass chewed up, with a smile on my face.)

ottomatik
ottomatik

I agree with your Natural News assessment, shrill.

Doctor de Vaca

I’m going to throw this out there. After the pissin’ contest I had with Flea yesterday will you all please try to be somewhat kind. Saw Michael Savage float an idea that we should only be quarantining the obviously sick and those at the highest risk.
Thoughts?

TampaRed

sounds good but if you w/your heart condition are quarantined & your family is out & about,eventually you’ll be exposed–

Doctor de Vaca

That’s the problem there is no way to completely isolate for an extended period. PPE if you got it folks, I’d rather look like a Kung Fool then be a giver or receiver of the Wuhan.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Cow Doctor.
TBP is like a family reunion picnic. This is normal here. Tomorrow or next week we won’t remember we were fighting. The best way to find out what one believes is to have to defend it.

Doctor de Vaca

Amen!

TampaRed

hey ahole,
i never forget,esp from a flea–

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Red.
Now what?

virushoax2020
virushoax2020

If Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the temple, why can’t worshipers throw out the CDC?
Are they really going to shut down all the churches in the world? “Too many people in one place, no more Sunday services.” I don’t think so. Don’t write me and tell me about the churches that have already shut down. I’m talking about the millions of others that are still open.
What are these churches? They’re places where people can wake up their spirit. And what does that spirit say? Huddle in the dark? Wait for the virus to pass over? Give in?
That’s not what I hear. I hear that in some countries, they’re places where the State does not tread. Where the worshipers can even speak their minds. I’ve never been shown Scripture where God says churches have to protect their government granted 501C3 non-profit status and therefore have to cower in fear.
CHURCH is where people can mount a PUSHBACK against the lockdowns and economic destruction. Against the attack.
CHURCH is where people can stand up and say they’re OK and healthy and they’re not falling for the illusion. This is where people can tear away the false curtain.
http://archive.is/fPmj9

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Today’s Corbett Report on You-Tube
THIS IS NOT NORMAL!!

Mr Cabbage
Mr Cabbage

Okay, you don’t understand the concept of herd immunity and you massively overestimate the danger posed by coronavirus, but your acknowledgement of the fact that tyranny is bad and that a collapsing economy will lead to big trouble and revolution is correct.

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