As the mainstream media and politicians begin to raise/admit the possibilities that the source of COVID-19 was likely a lab in Wuhan (accidentally leaked or otherwise) – something we first brought to the world’s attention in January before being mocked, censored, and chastised – it appears more actual ‘scientists’ (at least those not paid by or working for a lab in Wuhan) are willing to admit what we noted all along – this virus is man-made.
GilmoreHealth.com’s Robert Miller writes that contrary to the narrative that is being pushed by the mainstream that the COVID 19 virus was the result of a natural mutation and that it was transmitted to humans from bats via pangolins, Dr Luc Montagnier the man who discovered the HIV virus back in 1983 disagrees and is saying that the virus was man made.
Professor Luc Montagnier, 2008 Nobel Prize winner for Medicine, claims that SARS-CoV-2 is a manipulated virus that was accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. Chinese researchers are said to have used coronaviruses in their work to develop an AIDS vaccine. HIV DNA fragments are believed to have been found in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.
We knew that the Chinese version of how the coronavirus emerged was increasingly under attack, but here’s a thesis that tells a completely different story about the Covid-19 pandemic, which is already responsible for more than 110,000 deaths worldwide.
According to Professor Luc Montagnier, winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 2008 for “discovering” HIV as the cause of the AIDS epidemic together with Françoise Barré-Sinoussi, the SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that was manipulated and accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, in the last quarter of 2019.
According to Professor Montagnier, this laboratory, known for its work on coronaviruses, tried to use one of these viruses as a vector for HIV in the search for an AIDS vaccine!
“With my colleague, bio-mathematician Jean-Claude Perez, we carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus,” explains Luc Montagnier, interviewed by Dr Jean-François Lemoine for the daily podcast at Pourquoi Docteur, adding that others have already explored this avenue:
Indian researchers have already tried to publish the results of the analyses that showed that this coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus, … the HIV virus (AIDS virus), but they were forced to withdraw their findings as the pressure from the mainstream was too great.
In a challenging question Dr Jean-François Lemoine inferred that the coronavirus under investigation may have come from a patient who is otherwise infected with HIV.
“No,” says Luc Montagnier, “in order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory.”
According to the 2008 Nobel Prize for Medicine, a plausible explanation would be an accident in the Wuhan laboratory. He also added that the purpose of this work was the search for an AIDS vaccine.
The truth will eventually come out
In any case, this thesis, defended by Professor Luc Montagnier, has a positive turn. According to him, the altered elements of this virus are eliminated as it spreads:
“Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”
Luc Montagnier added that with the help of interfering waves, we could eliminate these sequences and as a result stop the pandemic.
This is enough to feed some heated debates! So much so that Professor Montagnier’s statements could also place him in the category of “conspiracy theorists”:
“Conspirators are the opposite camp, hiding the truth,” he replies, without wanting to accuse anyone, but hoping that the Chinese will admit to what he believes happened in their laboratory.
To entice a confession from the Chinese he used the example of Iran which after taking full responsibility for accidentally hitting a Ukrainian plane was able to earn the respect of the global community. Hopefully the Chinese will do the right thing he adds.
“In any case, the truth always comes out, it is up to the Chinese government to take responsibility.”
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So it’s AIDS without even the common courtesy of a reach-around.
We all pozz’d now.
There is hope, this Frankenvirus will die out, unlike the AIDS virus.
Hilarious!
There is another tell that this is a bio-weapon:
yesterday, Dr. Birx (of the daily Trump/Pence Presser) stated:
“we have our Sentinel information system that indicates high death rates in nursing homes in all 50 states”
If you can find the video, you can hear her say this. It will not be repeated on any MSM, she probably mentioned something she was not supposed to.
1. WTF is Sentinel Information System?, sounds like sky-net. Obviously .gov has had systems in place to detect unusual infections for quite a while.
2. if it is killing off old folks in nursing homes in all 50 states, then it is either airborne (bio weapon released by china) or, some how every nursing home worker all went to the same bar/party/event and were infected.
My gut tells me we are all under quarantine, because this is an airborne virus, released by the enemy.
oh, and the MSM will be telling everyone that it is not an engineer virus, which means it is an engineer virus.
Hangman: It appears that you have a valid question regarding a system called Sentinel Information System. Now, another big question that needs to be answered is, “who is the enemy”. I have done some rudimentary searches and have come up with nothing on such a system. Speak up all you engineers and or individuals that worked on this system if it exists.
OT….
I came up with this:
https://www.fda.gov/safety/fdas-sentinel-initiative
“Monitoring the safety of its regulated products is a major part of the FDA’s mission to protect public health. Sentinel is the FDA’s national electronic system which has transformed the way researchers monitor the safety of FDA-regulated medical products, including drugs, vaccines, biologics, and medical devices. In response to the FDA Amendments Act (FDAAA) of 2007, in May 2008 the FDA launched the Sentinel Initiative.
The first phase of this initiative was the Mini-Sentinel Pilot to inform the development of the Sentinel System. In September 2014, the FDA began transitioning from the Mini-Sentinel phase to the full Sentinel System, which officially launched in February 2016. Over time, Sentinel has developed the largest multisite distributed database in the world dedicated to medical product safety. It is constantly growing and improving to meet FDA’s needs.
In September 2019, FDA announced Sentinel would expand to three distinct coordinating centers: Sentinel Operations Center, Innovation Center, and Community Building and Outreach Center. The Operations Center will continue to leverage organizational partnerships in the areas of epidemiology, clinical medicine, pharmacy, statistics, health informatics, data science (specifically, artificial intelligence (natural language processing, machine learning)), and network operations to support postmarket safety analyses.”
Included in the article is a long list of “Sentinel Collaborators
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <<——==
"who is the enemy?"
Jesus Christ….. the I AM that I AM.
Doesn’t seem overly surprising that they would put something like this in place (not supporting, just saying). Virtually every patient is on Medicare, they are like giant petri dishes waiting to explode with death and disease, and they are nearly all run by publicly-traded corporations that don’t actually give a shit about the residents so long as they stay alive and keep the checks flowing. If there was ANY place for the government to keep tabs on disease outbreaks, negative drug reactions, negative reactions to the annual flu and pneumonia vaccines (even if just to cover them all up), these would be the best places to track. Just saying.
just as i was vilified on this forum for recently suggesting by some idiot called Rins
If you haven’t been vilified, you don’t belong. Besides, the idiot is not called Rins, his name is Rob.
He’s not a good listener.
A very good article, but severely marred by the logical fallacy of appealing to authority (argumentum ad verecundiam), i.e. we’re constantly reminded Dr. Montagnier won the 2008 Nobel prize in medicine.
By that logic, we should believe every word uttered by the winner of the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize.
There’s a world of difference between the Nobel prizes in sciences and the peace and literature prizes. Politics/political correctness/deep state are far less likely to infect the science prizes. If this weren’t the case, white men wouldn’t still be winning practically all the science prizes. Moreover, this particular Nobel Prize winner is an expert on HIV, which is part of the genetic composition of Covid-19. I trust his conclusion, mainly because of his credentials, not some logical fallacy.
I wasn’t arguing with his conclusions, only the tone of the article. Dr. Fauci is also a distinguished scientist, yet people here (rightly, in my opinion) seem to be getting tired of the idea that locking down the country is the right thing to do because “Dr. Fauci sez…”
[edit] Likewise, people that hate Trump are wrong to say he must be wrong about the efficacy of chloroquine and zinc solely because he’s NOT an authority.
Logical fallacies are always logical fallacies, whether or not you agree with the conclusion.
Of course Fauci and Byrx are under the sway of Gates .
you trust his conclusion?
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v2.full.pdf+html
I read the research paper in question when it was released. the “HIV sections” they found were actually incredibly short sections and their makeup is not exclusive to HIV. researchers pointed out the shoddiness of their work.. now the paper in question has been withdrawn by the authors.
so what do you really trust? this Luc Montaigne guy is almost 90 fuckin years old… this article is about nothing more than “an old guy read a single research paper and thinks he’s got a handle on the situation”
I, for one, neither trust nor mistrust his conclusions. I think a lot more research needs to be done before there’s enough evidence to sway me one way or another. For what it’s worth, your criticisms, anecdotal as they are, are much more persuasive than the author repeating “2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine” over and over.
this entire article only contained one bit of actual data.
““With my colleague, bio-mathematician Jean-Claude Perez, we carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus,” explains Luc Montagnier” (my bold)
so, no original research done, no additional papers mentioned attempting to duplicate the research..
just “we read the research paper and then made assumptions”
Yep. Then an article that channels Tenet’s “slam dunk”.
Critical thinking is hard work. Not that I’m good at it, but I’m in my sixties now and there’s a lot of things I used to believe that I now know were BS. The Who claimed “we won’t be fooled again”, but that turned out to be pretty naive. Most of what we think we know probably isn’t true.
Appealing to authority is not a logical fallacy in all cases. While being a authority figure does not insure that what they say is correct, if they are an expert in the field, and they have no ulterior motive, their opinions are considered “expert” even in a court of law. The accuracy of their perspective is usually determined after counter arguments by equally or more qualified people are considered.
In this case, we certainly do have a considerable amount of coincidence with the virus point of origination being only a short distance from the lab which was working with that exact virus.
I totally agree with you, except that I wouldn’t call it “appealing”, more like “citing”. The article, though, is clearly trying to imply that because of this guy’s credentials, what he’s saying must be true. While an expert’s opinion can, and should, carry more weight than a non-expert, it doesn’t necessarily make him right. Again, Fauci and his original “up to 200,000 deaths” best-case prediction.
Note that in courts of law, it’s possible for expert witnesses to contradict expert witnesses from the other side. Barry Scheck vs L.A. Forensics lab (whatever it’s called), for example.
There is no new information in this article.
The HIV slpice was done to increase the ability of the manufactured virus to stick to the lung tissue because it was to smooth to grasp the lung tissue. The Hiv acted like a grappling hook so it could remain in the lung tissue long enough to grow.
Lets flog a dead horse a little longer instead of organizing a resistance or anything else that may hinder the people and their plans being implemented while we debate secondary symptoms.
Your assumption is that it is an engineered virus. Mine as well. Most disbelieve however. Thus the dead horse flogging.
Flea- I left Ordo/you a message in the PA SOH thread. Thoughts?
Of course this greasy apparatchik will say anything he’s told to say. Nobel Putz prizes don’t come cheap.
AIDS was a lab created too.
That’s quite a leap from saying the virus was man made (likely true) to saying it was produced in a lab in Wuhan (where’s the proof of this?) There’s labs all over the planet that could have done this work and planted it there.
Follow the clues….start with Canada, Dr. Plummer, the Chinese scientists expelled from Canada for stealing data and passing it on to China, then go to Wuhan and look up the female scientist studying bat viruses, the missing female researcher from Wuhan lab, then look at yet another bat virus researcher in Wuhan, this one male and then keep going, the dots will lead you there.
You know, the same was true for Oswald. It’s all just too perfect.
Well, we’re reading all across the American Organs of the Presstitutes that The Virus was genetically engineered in China. The same fucking people who can’t even make a good cast iron skillet, and every car that utilizes their steel (MOPAR) has cantelope-sized rust holes within 7 years. Well, here is what that means for the fucking idiots who can’t read between the lines: This means the CIA is the one who let it loose.
Mike Wallace on 60 minutes exposing the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine and scam:
China now says the USA gave it to them!