Is War With China Becoming Inevitable?

Guest Post by Pat Buchanan

Is War With China Becoming Inevitable?

Tensions are rising between the U.S. and China, as the list of ideological, political and economic clashes continues to lengthen. And there is a transparent new reality: China seems in no mood to back down.

“The Indians are seeing 60,000 Chinese soldiers on their northern border,” Secretary of State Michael Pompeo ominously warned on Friday.

He spelled out what he meant to commentator Larry O’Connor:

“The Chinese have now begun to amass huge forces against India in the north. … They absolutely need the United States to be their ally and partner in this fight.”

Pompeo had just returned from a Tokyo gathering of foreign ministers from the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, or “Quad,” the group of four democracies — U.S., Japan, Australia, India — whose purpose is to discuss major Indo-Pacific geostrategic issues.

Exactly what kind of “ally and partner” the U.S. is to be “in the fight” between India and China over disputed terrain in the Himalayan Mountains was left unexplained. We have no vital interest in where the Line of Control between the most populous nations on earth should lie that would justify U.S. military involvement with a world power like China.

And the idea that Japan, whose territorial quarrel with China is over the tiny Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea, thousands of miles away, would take sides in a Himalayan India-China conflict also seems ludicrous.

Yet, tensions are rising between the U.S. and China, as the list of ideological, political and economic clashes continues to lengthen.

And there is a transparent new reality: China seems in no mood to back down.

When, after a year of demonstrations for greater democracy, the Hong Kong government failed to quell the uprising, Beijing stepped in and took control. The U.S.-led democracies that had been cheering on the Hong Kong marchers and protesters did nothing, and they have done nothing since to reverse Xi Jinping’s political coup but prattle on about “values.”

Lately, the democracies have been protesting, and rightly so, the inhumane treatment of the Uighur peoples in Xinjiang in China’s west.

Han Chinese have been moved into the region to swamp the local population of Turkic and Muslim Uighurs and Kazakhs and bring about the demographic change Beijing desires. “Reeducation camps” have been established to cleanse Uighurs of their ethnic and religious identities and convert them into loyal and reliable Chinese Communists.

In a speech in late September, Xi declared that Beijing’s policy of eradicating the ethnic and religious identity of the minorities of Xinjiang through state-driven education has proven “totally correct.”

He vowed to imprint a Chinese identity “deep in the soul” of the peoples living there. “Our national minority work has been a success,” said Xi, “It must be held to for the long term.”

Xi makes no apology for — indeed, he is proud of — using state power to impose the state ideology upon the peoples he rules, and he openly repudiates our democratic values as inapplicable in his country.

Our rejection of China’s claims to virtually all of the reefs and atolls in the South China Sea is also being ignored. Beijing’s warnings grow louder and more pointed as the U.S. continues to send warships, the latest being the USS John McCain, close to islets claimed by China.

What is our strategy here? Are we prepared for a naval and air clash in these waters? What would be the U.S. strategic goal?

The Chinese are now responding angrily and defiantly to what they see as the provocations of sending high-level U.S. officials, and selling new weapons, to Taiwan, which China regards as its lost province.

Again, what is our purpose in playing the Taiwan card now?

If it is to provoke a fight, then are we prepared for a war in the Taiwan Strait or South China Sea? Do we think the Chinese will capitulate?

Is this being done to “stand up to China” before Nov. 3?

Which is the party here that is engaged in bluster and bluff and which is the party that seems deadly serious as it views its vital interests and territorial rights as challenged?

There has been talk of the Quad evolving into an Asian NATO that embraces the major democracies in the Indo-Pacific Theater.

But the essence of NATO is Article V, where the U.S. commits itself to treat an attack on any one of some 30 nations as an attack on us.

Is there anything like this in the cards?

Australia, Japan and the U.S. are not going to war with China over its border with India, or its ethnic concentration camps in Xinjiang, or its seizing Hong Kong and atolls in the South China Sea.

When this election is over, this country has to think through what we are and are not willing to fight China for.

Xi Jinping dismisses our concerns over Hong Kong and the Uighurs, and he appears willing to fight for Taiwan and for what Beijing holds in the South China Sea, rather than see it permanently lost.

Are we?

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Saxons Wrath
Saxons Wrath

And this is all China’s fault? How would the US react if we were similarly provoked? A careful foreign policy of “avoid foreign entanglements” as Washington and Jefferson recommended are what we need to enact. We no longer have the resources to burn for other countries national security concerns and other business that the US citizens are not worried about.

Martel's Hammer
Martel's Hammer

OK, you need to get a lot more cynical if you are going to get any upvotes around these parts! Fault? This Game of Thrones….there are no fucking rules, no right or wrong, only the will to power. Now us Christians and normies tend to have a moral compass but make no mistake the folks running China and the US and other world powers DGAF about morality it is all about power…..Now, who indeed is running the US? Certainly not DJT……the Military Brass is telling him to fuck off about ending any wars……epic levels of insubordination and treason. Has a single coup plotter from 2016-2017 been arrested…fuck no they are on CNN making bank and laughing in our faces. DJT is allowed to go to the Oval office and make a few speeches but old Donald ain’t running things. Nope, the shadow figures in banking, (old-line families, many Small hats) and the technocratic new elites are running things…….and China reneged on their deal to be the world’s factory but otherwise obedient.

Our elites love the China model……hardcore communism and social control for the masses, feudalism for the elites.

So sure there will be a war between the Elites and China overruling the dystopian future……..its backs 1100AD if we are stupid enough to play. I say fuck that shit……we don’t need stinking leaders on a national/international level because power always corrupts. So let’s have the fight domestically before things really get out of hand globally and we enter the new dark age.

Try and pull back your perspective and look at the forest a bit.. it is not pretty but it is the world we live in.

niebo
niebo

OT but damn it . . . IF THIS IS TRUE, Obama, Hillary, Biden, Brennan will hang:

Benghazi Bombshell: Documents Dump Point Directly to Clinton, Obama, Biden & Brennan TREASON?

Just a Medic
Just a Medic

Downvoted. There is no textual content at the linked “story,” just a lame video that rambles, apparently trolling for clicks and likes. My time is more valuable. Keep this up, neibo, and we will learn to ignore your “contributions.”

youknowwhoiam
youknowwhoiam

From JS’s site: Here is the basic story in a paragraph: Iran “gave shelter to Osama Bin Laden” who may have been fictional at the time. While Bin Laden was “in Iran”, Obama sent seal team six in to nail him in Afghanistan. Only, he was not there, and to cover it up Obama, Biden, Brennan, Hillary, the entire apparatus approved the murder of every member of seal team six via a missile shoot down of their aircraft to cover it up.

a ninny mouse because fusion centers
a ninny mouse because fusion centers

Medic… apparently you didn’t listen to it. I did, it’s fricken devastating for the whole Oh Bummer, Clinton, deep state crew. Youknowwhoiam, below, left out most of the important facts, it was Pakistan, not Afganistan, and you left out the $152 billion extortion from Iran for not blowing the whistle.

very old white guy
very old white guy

No one is going to hang or go to jail.

22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981

Give the endless question marks a rest Pat.

Your shallow, rhetorical questions are numb numbing and soul crushing.

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Lincoln
Lincoln

yes

Baba Looey
Baba Looey

China tends to think long term. We’ve been in a trade war for some time now and I suppose the desire is to avoid a shooting war, but that hope looks increasingly disparate from reality as the Yuan rises against their desire to stay competitive (i.e. dominate) in exports. Capital has been moving out of China since before the contrived pandemic. If they have some move to make I would think it would be to start rolling in invasion forces to places like Taiwan.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

Baba – I was once told by a Chinese businessman that China operates on 10, 50 & 100 year plans while the US operates on 2 and 4 year elections. It appears their plan is to consolidate power in the S China Sea while building small foreign bases throughout the world with their Belt and Road Initiative, all paid for by the American consumer. Trump is but a little bump in the Belt and Road and at the most, he will be gone in 4 years.

BUCKED/BUY MORE AMMO/BOURBON TOO
BUCKED/BUY MORE AMMO/BOURBON TOO

Belt…hmm…China’s spanking that ass huh ?

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit

According to the US State Department (and the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party) Taiwan IS part of the PRC.

Make no mistake, Xi Jinping will take the country to war to enforce their ownership of Taiwan.
The Kinmen Islands, just over a mile off the Chinese mainland, are part of Taiwan. I would expect hostilities to be preceded by a PLA presence on Kinmen.

The US will be in a difficult position to defend Taiwan while simultaneously recognizing China’s right to Taiwan.

“the United States recognized the Government of the People’s Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China…The United States does not support Taiwan independence.”

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

Any American politician, general or admiral who tries to involve us in an intra-china fight needs to meet an untimely end. Sucks to be Taiwan, but it’s not our problem. The most unethical thing we could do is leave the Taiwanese with the impression that we’ll be coming to their defense. We will not. Plan accordingly.

Just Sayin'
Just Sayin'

I doubt it. World leaders know that a direct clash between the existing Mega-powers in the world would result in catastrophic devastation of all involved. Hence, the proxy wars for the last 30 years.

The U.S would only end up in a direct conflict with China IF and only IF China got the direct support of another major player like Russia. It’s always a possibility but still the cost on all sides would dwarf military and civilian losses of all other conflicts in history…..combined. They are crazy, but I’m not sure they are THAT crazy……..but then again.

Just Sain’

TC
TC

The underlying problem with China is that the “my fellow whites” tricks don’t work on them, so yeah it’s likely American blood and treasure will be spilled to get them aligned with the GloboZioHomo agenda.

Stucky

“The Chinese have now begun to amass huge forces against India in the north. … They absolutely need the United States to be their ally and partner in this fight.”

Oh, really?

We should send young Americans to die for Dotheads??? The same Dotheads who flood this country willing to work for half the wages of an American citizen — especially those Americans in the tech industry? Those same Telemarketer Dotheads who relentlessly call me several times a day trying to sell me what-the-fuck-ever shit??

Eat shit Buchanan — you neocon Swamp Creature — for even asking the question!!!

A nation of 1.3 billion people fighting a nation of 1.1 billion people. Let them supply their own cannon-fodder.

Captain_Obviuos
Captain_Obviuos

Yep, it’s like this, population-wise, as of 2020:

China, 1.439b
India, 1.38b
U.S., 331m

India’s got almost as many people as China on less than a third as much land (9.388m km² compared to 2.973m); wouldn’t that be easy to defend, especially with mountains on one side?

We have no dog in this hunt. And China’s been trying to get to India through Tibet for a lot longer than this little bullshit here. It’s all about the opium.

razzle
razzle

Eat shit Buchanan…

Buchanan was quoting Pompeo… and two paragraphs later Buchanan points out why Pompeo was wrong.

BUCKED/BUY MORE AMMO/BOURBON TOO
BUCKED/BUY MORE AMMO/BOURBON TOO

Hmm….the Dotheads need t surround the Chicom’s and force them to drink water from the Ganges…unfiltered. The Dotheads are used to it….the Chicom’s…probably not…game over .

Hal P
Hal P

Both China and India have over 1 billion people. Let them Fight their own wars and kill their own people.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Poor Pat.
Reduced to a hanger on at the hotel lounge, hoping for a free drink and a chance to be a somebody again.

22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981

Still sharp as a razor in your old age!

Panzerlied

Flea-Pat has always been the tepid bath water of political pundits. Not too hot, not too cold, and don’t write or say anything too controversial. Actually, a free drink doesn’t sound too bad, right now.
I see by the down votes that you must have stepped on the toes of both of his fans.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

I think those are my resident hate mailers.

Two if by sea. Three if from within thee.
Two if by sea. Three if from within thee.

Moar theatre.
Uncle Sam will keep trying to outspend the chinamen with phony money while the chinamen create their own funny money to keep up. Theres years and years of sanctions to bequeath upon the other ad infinitum.
Let’s scare the shit out of everyone, sell arms and call it a day.

22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981

Let’s scare the shit out of everyone, sell arms and call it a day.

Ha! That sounds like commercial, domestic American small arms and ammo sales and marketing 101.

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George
George

No mention of the virus attack from China? Are we all losers here in the West? Wake up people we were attacked. This is not conjecture, but fact. History will judge us harshly if we do not fight back. WTF?

TC
TC

China created a virus that targets Asians and Blacks and unleashed it to ravage its own population knowing that incompetent governments in the West would willingly allow the virus to leak in and eventually mildly infect their own populations. Does that not, at least a little, sound fucking dumb to you? Don’t drink the Kool-Aid, George.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

Targets blacks? The fatality rate in Africa is miniscule. COVID is not very good at killing people, but the most susceptible are old people, fat people and old fat people. American blacks have the highest obesity rate in an obese country.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

TC
You immediately attracted two downers before the ink dried and they aren’t Progladykes. That’s scary.

George
George

Citizen TC: what Kool-Aid do you speak? I drink only the bitter truth. First, if you are correct, why then do the citizens of China not wear face masks? Second, can you point to any objective and reliable source for your allegation the virus attacks Asians and blacks? But I can cite (if you care to know) the source for my assertion that this is a man made virus and used as a bio weapon.

TC
TC

Obviously it was made in a lab. The only question is which lab. It makes no sense that China would unleash such a virus on its own population in order to get the US, when it would be simple to deploy directly in the US.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

George.
What does wearing a mask have to do with it?

George
George

I attach my evidence. It’s rather long. The good part is succinctly stated on page 27 of the report.

https://zenodo.org/record/4073131#.X4X-w6Q8IlQ

BUCKED/BUY MORE AMMO/BOURBON TOO
BUCKED/BUY MORE AMMO/BOURBON TOO

Any truth to the rumor that the USS John McCain fired a missile today and sunk itself ?

I keep hearing that the Chicom’s have a military presence in Canada due to Comrade Trudeau’s shenanigans …but who knows . The Chicom’s aren’t foolish enough to do a land invasion here;they are however smart enough to do an EMP and watch us eat each other ….then invade .

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

Who would want this place?

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

Vast farmland in America. Enough to feed their billions of people.

Fleabaggs
Fleabaggs

Iska.
We have vast resources under ground. The copper lode in Butte Mt. is still one of the richest. Coal out the Wazoo and as Tn said, Farmland. Not to mention what’s in Canada. We and Canada also have uranium out the Wazoo.

22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981

The Monroe Doctrine has been all but canonized.

It is still in effect believe it or not.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

I know. I was kidding. If China needs land, Russia has a lot more of it and less than half of our population.

22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981

And nuclear weapons are fake, so it comes down to air-power and determined boots on the ground.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

Only if they have a LtJG McCain on board.

Ever been to Vancouver, BC? It is full of Chinese and I’m sure they have plenty of special operators among the others. Same thing for every American city with a Chinatown. They know they don’t have to worry about an invasion. All they have to do is wait until the dems take government control again and take care of us as a threat.

22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
22winmag - I was told about 2020 in 1981
Per/Norway
Per/Norway

Formosa is a part of China, no amount of ideological garbage spewed by a pompus lardass and other low iq murcan politican is going to change that reality.
But i guess most murcans and their “world championships” in turkey tossing or other local sports have no clue that us barbarians daring to be born and live outside “the world” laugh at them.
Our eyes are telling us that the biggest sponsor of terror and their turkey tossing “world champions” are dying at last, and freedom from nato and our anglo-zionist occupied governments are nearer then we hoped.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker

If China riles Japan, which they are well in the process of doing, we will see a resurgence of Imperial Japan, and China will have their hands full of a nation they’ve been the true enemies of for nearly a thousand years.

Bad Brad
Bad Brad

Ol’ Pat speaks great truth with the wisdom of an elder statesman. We are going to war with China.
There is no stopping it. The Donald can try to delay it or use just words but the war is coming. The
sides are being selected even as we enjoy our little covid-19 adventure into economic ruin. When
someone tells you they are going to kill you, why do you doubt them? Anyone who wants to look
can easily see what the Chinese Commies think of humans in general. They are pawns, they are
disposable!!!! Their people, our people, any people. NO LIVES MATTER. Just the Party and its
ideals/goals are what is important to these crazies. If they could sacrifice 350 million of their
people to eliminate 350 million of the USA residents, they would consider that a bargain.
We had 2 World Wars in the 1900’s. We are well overdue for another as the struggle for resources
on a small planet comes to a head.

very old white guy
very old white guy

With the constant growth in China’s military, eventually it will be used against someone.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

Many years ago, I became worried when the Chinese people started killing their girl babies and selling the rest of them to the West. All those little boys grew up without the chance of finding wives and having a family and are now in their 20’s & 30’s. There is a lot of stored up testosterone that needs to be released.

Rabby
Rabby

So Pat…….
China doing “terrible things” to Uighers……bad China, BAD CHINA!
But……
Israel doing terrible things to Palestinians……..silence from you sir.
Typical dross from a typical US politician that has his head up squarely up his arse.
China has been around for 4000 years……..when they decide to exterminate what to them is The New Global Pest, they will do it swiftly and in complete surprise to the rest of the world.
Good luck to them.

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