HOW TO LEGALLY DECLINE A VACCINE

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Glock-N-Load

I’ve been reading what others have been saying about forced vaccination. They don’t have to force you do take the vaccine. Everything can be enforced through the private sector via business licensure. Just pull any business’s license if they do not follow the health department rules.

We are increasingly being ruled by the unelected.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Techno-totalitarianism.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

This is how the communist state of michigan is enforcing the rules. The small business owner is bullied into compliance. Not only that but, if he goes to court he is being bullied via his own tax dollars. Talk about a catch 22.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Glock, this is just part and parcel of “convincing” others to toe the line, whether it be mask wearing, BLM, Antifa, “systemic racism”, transgenderism, doesn’t matter.
If you legally can refuse the vaccine yet cannot board a plane, train, have a job, have a bank account, go to the grocery store, etc etc etc than the “legal” refusal of said vaccine has no impact whatsoever as you will be personal non grata. Imagine if the vaccine refusal results in your kids being taken away, denial of marriage license, denial of housing. All of these things could happen under the color of “law”.
This will most likely be the impetus for civil war and the break up of the US.

Llpoh
Llpoh

What bullshit. Dancing around an issue is not my style. I am fucking belligerent and make no apologies for it. How about this instead:

“What say I jam that syringe up your ass?”

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

As far as I can determine there is not reaction by the name of, latrogenic. There is a Lactrogenic reaction. There is a cell structure MRC-5 that is a derived from aborted fetal lung tissue. I also found a warning that this advice is misinformation.

Would someone with greater knowledge of this issue shed some light on this.

Other than that just say, NO! Women have already run point on this issue about what does or doesn’t happen to their bodies. What is good for goose is good for the gander.

Jerry
Jerry

I believe Iatrogenic reaction is correct…….I think MRC-5 relates to the first use of aborted fetal cells in vaccines many years ago…..I think the question “Does it contain aborted fetal cells?” should suffice………..

TS

Fuck legal. I say no and that’s the end of it. THAT is a hill to die on. And woe to anyone trying to force it on me. I’m one of those quiet mind-my-own-business dangerous types; I already figure I’m going out bloody, all things considered. Just depends on how willing anyone else is to get bloody to try and make me comply. If ‘whomever’ refuses me service – whether private or Gov., whether it be medical, grocery stores or whatever… well, this is the very reason we prep. It was coming one of these days. Sucks, but reality gives zero shits about whether we like it or not.

youknowwhoiam
youknowwhoiam

Certainly, folks out there must be aware that if businesses can be pressured to not engage in commerce with un-vaccinated individuals, that they can also be pressured to engage in commerce with un-vaccinated individuals.

theOtherDan
theOtherDan

by whom?

Ken31
Ken31

Check out what just happened in Denmark.

TS

Sounds good on paper, but won’t happen and we all know it.

youknowwhoiam
youknowwhoiam
Craven Warrior
Craven Warrior

And anyone with two brain cells should know this vaccine is an experiment. There hasn’t been enough time for trials to insure efficacy or safety. Only an idiot would volunteer to be a guinea pig for big pharma.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Most of Merica does not have 2 brain cells.

SeeBee
SeeBee
SeeBee
SeeBee

Sir John Bell, who leads the development of Oxford’s health research strategies and chairs the Gates Foundation’s scientific advisory committee…….

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

And what is your answer when TSA asks for your vaccine card when you try to board an airplane, bus or train? What about when Uber wants you to log your vaccine ID #, Kroger wants proof of your vaccination before letting you in the store or Chili’s demands to see it before you can order food?

The government will find ways to get the big corporations to enforce their edicts on you and there will be few, if any, small businesses left.

Auntie Kriest
Auntie Kriest

Auntie can foresee a lot of “local area code” calls being made.

theOtherDan
theOtherDan

even those will have to be black market exchanges.

oldtimer505
oldtimer505

Find a useful idiot with a # if you are buying groceries. With all the sheep out there wearing a diaper, one such individual should be easy to find. I don’t fly and I walk or drive myself.

TS

Oldie;
Yep, I’ve got a few friends who are willing, if it comes to that. They understand my position and are embarrassed that they have chosen to didy up, but they’ve got good reasons. Ain’t the hill to die on, that’s coming later. It’s a personal choice and who am I to rag on them for making a difficult decision? Easy for me, not so easy for many out there.

Check Six
Check Six

Guido, Jose, or Kim Ding-Dong, depending upon your location, will provide a vaccination card, and if necessary, a vaccination number for cash. Do not underestimate the entrepreneurial spirit.

NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR

That was one of the things I learned living in California with so many undocumented aliens – all kinds of government documents can be acquired if you know where to look and have some cash.

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable

This Covid thing is a hoax. It’s the flu, get over it! Thanks Jim for the important info. Here’s the proof on the bogus positive tests.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/first-time-us-state-will-require-disclosure-pcr-test-cycle-data

KaD
KaD

I doubt this little ditty is going to deter the corrupt.
FWIW, forced vaccination is also a violation of the Nuremberg treaty.

Wombatatron
Wombatatron

On the topic of vaccines:

http://theawarenessrevolution.com/polio-vaccine-myth/

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Depressed Aussie
Depressed Aussie

Well they can try and force me but I will stick the damn needle in the doctors neck and walk out. To hell with the consequences we have to fight this. Not because we believe the vaccine is a risk but because our bodies belong to us not the faceless bureaucratic scum that make these stupid unjust laws

Dan
Dan

This is bullshit. ALL patients have the right to decline ANY therapy for ANY or NO REASON. They simply must tell the doctor they DO NOT WANT IT. The doctor may try to talk you into it or explain why it’s best to take it but you ALWAYS have the legal right to decline ANY medication or intervention. IF….and that is the 64 million dollar if…
the criminals in office make it LEGALLY REQUIRED for you to be vaccinated then all that bull shit about a vaccine containing fetal cells or the risks of a reaction are IRRELEVANT. The law says you MUST be vaccinated then that is EXACTLY what will happen. You will either be vaccinated OR you become an outlaw. THAT is the ugly reality. Don’t like that reality? Then start exterminating the people in power who will mandate this vaccine be mandatory.

JLW
JLW

This whole ‘private company’ stuff is crap. A ‘private company’ is forced to hire ‘minorities” , forced to bake cakes for queers, and an endless list of other government edicts. But all of a sudden they have the ‘right’ to decide who they serve (if its about COVID). Of course, they don’t have to ‘serve’ white conservatives. They can refuse them and that’s ok.

Bottom line: unless we separate politically from all this, we (the kind of people that come here and read) will be total slaves or dead.

RiNS

When they roll this out, here at least, the vast majority of the jabbers will not Docs.. question to the RNs, Techs and Pharmacists out there…

Does Hippa apply to all health care providers?

Allfather

It seems like someone trained in the law ought to have jumped in on this debate already. So I will take a stab at it. Llpoh is mostly right. This is also not a one size fits all approach in the US as workers’ compensation laws vary in all 50 states, but they do share common attributes.

The first is that worker’s compensation is “no fault” which means that all a worker must generally do is prove they were injured at work. This would actually be a toss up on how hard it would be to prove, with an airborne illness that is present whether the employee is at work or at home. The evidence required would not be the same standard as a negligence claim, which would require the employee to prove the workplace was the “proximate cause” (direct cause) of the infection, but rather that it is more likely than not the employee contracted the infection at work.

This would lead to presenting evidence such as the business’ failure to implement COVID-19 precautions, the employee’s possibly much greater contact with the general public while at work, rather than at home, etc. Even if this were a 50/50 toss-up on workers’ compensation claims, losing half the cases would be catastrophic on the employer’s workers’ compensation insurance premiums.

This is where the coercion by the worker’s compensation insurance companies comes in to play. Failure to carry worker’s compensation insurance subjects an employer to “strict liability” for any employee injured on the job generally. This means no defense, just get out your checkbook. Thus, most responsible employers carry workers’ compensation insurance, because it is basically mandated by the State as a cost of doing business.

What will happen, is the employer’s workers’ compensation carrier will demand employers take COVID-19 precautions, such as requiring customers to wear masks, at the threat of the employer having its workers’ compensation policy cancelled. All insurers will do the same so there really is no choice of changing carriers. The other alternative is to not carry workers’ compensation insurance, which is unlawful, and also subjects the employer to strict liability for any injuries by employees.

These laws have absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution and are statutory in nature on a State by State basis. They have been challenged and upheld by Courts of Appeals and are just settled law at this point in time.

So yes, Llpoh is mostly right that the business owners would make an economic decision to enforce the mask mandate, while simultaneously being horse whipped by their workers’ compensation insurance carrier to implement the measures or risk cancellation of the policy. It should also be noted that all worker’s compensation insurance carriers would demand the COVID-19 precautions as it is not a free market in insurance; the only thing that varies is the premium, not the insurance contract or the actions of the insurance underwriters.

It’s a tangled mess of 50 years of stupid laws that keep getting reinforced in the insurance companies’ favor as they are the only litigants that ever appeal rulings, for the most part, as they have the deep pockets to do so. They cherry pick their cases and this has resulted in the case law being very insurance company friendly.

Once again the little guy loses, but you already knew that.

Allfather

Pogo
Pogo

It’s “Iatrogenic” not “Latrogenic”.

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