The Immortality Project

Guest Post by Hardscrabble Farmer

“Fear does not prevent death, it prevents life.” Naguib Mahfouz

Ernest Becker’s Pulitzer prize winning philosophical masterpiece The Denial of Death published in 1973 is an attempt to make sense of Mankind’s irrepressible need to create what he dubbed Immortality Projects; a means to deal with our knowledge of the ultimate end to life. The central theme is that our duality of being, as a physical being in the natural world and as a symbolic creature that inhabits a world of his own creation, where reality is what can be conceived. In times past structure rose to explain this conflicted sense of being.

Churches and Divine leaders that could explain why there should be no fear of oblivion. The stories they constructed served to maintain stability in interpersonal relations of larger groups, to focus energies and direct efforts to goals in the future. Our entire civilization, he said, was built to serve as a bulwark against death, or more to the point, our awareness of it, to protect the fragile psyche of our species with an emotional and reasoned armor in the same way we clothe our soft and vulnerable bodies against the elements.

In the past year I have watched with a barely contained horror the lengths the establishment has gone to impose their current immortality project on the masses below them, but worse than that, the way the vast majority have submitted to it.

Becker observed that the natural world is both dangerous and terrifying and that our knowledge of this reality causes enormous levels of anxiety which must be allayed for us to function on a daily basis. We create belief systems that suppress this fear in order to convince ourselves that we are part of something transcendent that guarantees our immortality, and finally, perhaps more importantly, that these systems almost always pose a greater threat to us than the natural world. It summarizes the obvious reality of our constant need to escape the fear of death.

Two years ago I fell from a tree while removing limbs with a chainsaw. The injury was severe enough to confine me to my bed for the next three months. As a family farmer whose entire life revolved around my ability to be mobile, it was the loss of my efforts that caused the greatest pain and suffering rather than the trauma itself. In the moment when I lay on the ground aware of what had happened and the damage I had suffered, it became apparent that I was- for the foreseeable future- completely dependent upon others in order for our family to survive.

My eldest son who had only recently returned from out west where he had been working with a family of Mennonite butchers immediately stepped up to the task and took on the full weight of my daily duties as his own. My wife took work cleaning houses to insure we had some cash income to cover the things we could not produce ourselves and the two younger children became the homemakers and caretakers looking out for all of the mundane tasks required to care for an injured parent and a house filled with chores.

It would be difficult to fully express how deeply moving it was to see everyone I loved take on the additional burdens that I had carried on my adult male shoulders as if they were their own and I will never be able to explain the guilt I felt seeing them pick them up and carry them without me. And yet they gave me the confidence needed to mend my broken body and the assurance that no burden is too heavy when it is held up by love.

When my children were young, they loved to hear the stories of my own childhood, especially the ones about my broken bones and the stitches I’d received. Looking back it was probably some kind of proxy experience that they were after, the same way we enjoy a horror movie for the scares without the risk. I can’t imagine what it must have been like for my parents to attend to all of those sessions where I arrived home covered in blood or they received a phone call from the hospital to come on down and sign some papers before the surgeons went to work, not only because they had to foot the bill, but because I was their flesh and blood.

Yet somehow they managed to get through it without ever making a scene or going after me for my reckless behavior in a world filled with risk. It was simply the way that we were raised back then. We rode our bikes across the Delaware without helmets, floated through the huge waves of the Lambertville wing dam barefooted without a life preserver, shot .22’s after school, wrecked our bikes intentionally on the long sweeping lawns that edged Carnegie Lake on the Princeton campus, jumped out of second story windows into piles of dirt at construction sites on the weekends.

Everyone I knew nursed some giant bruise, wore a well scribbled cast on a broken limb, proudly showed off scars or stitches at recess to the small knots of grubby boys. We took risks and suffered consequences, or not, came to understand our limitations or pushed the boundaries well beyond the prudent until we ran up against the immutable laws of the physical world. And in this way, we came to understand our vulnerabilities and the mortality that we all shared that hovered on the edge of our lives. Looking back over that time there was another equally present reality that shaped us as we grew and that was the infinitely beautiful and sublimely intoxicating feeling of freedom.

We made our choices and suffered the consequences, but we also experienced the exhilaration and the triumph that came with trying something and succeeding. It gave me the kind of confidence that led me to a life filled with adventure and I was better for it. Had I spent my childhood planted in front of a television in complete safety nothing would have turned out as it did and I would have been the poorer for it. While my parents would by modern standards appear as uninvolved or negligent when they were in fact helping to build up in me the ability to survive in the world as it was; dangerous, unpredictable, sublime.

“I have now made a habit of being prepared in all affairs of life for the worst. As death, when we come to consider it closely, is the true goal of our existence, I have formed during the last few years such close relationships with this best and truest friend of mankind that his image is not only no longer terrifying to me but is indeed very soothing and consoling, and I thank my God for graciously granting me the opportunity of learning that death is the key which unlocks the door to our true happiness.” Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

Human societies have frightened themselves into fits of hysteria before; witches, devils, monsters and hobgoblins. They hung, pressed, and burned alive their own neighbors for offenses such as consorting with cats or spoiling the milk. They have accused old women of being sorcerers, and young men of being vampires. There have been eras when people avoided one another like the plague, hunted down random strangers and murdered them without remorse for the unforgivable sin of being from a cursed village or for wearing an improper garment.

Entire cultures have crafted elaborate fictions to help them cope with the calamitous afflictions of Nature herself; the Icelandic belief in fairies, capable of spreading disease or causing afflictions were as firmly believed in their time as the spreading of a virus through a soup made of bats is today. In Bedburg, Germany during the 16th century the slaughter of first livestock and eventually children and women was attributed to werewolves and even in their descriptions of the apprehension of the true culprit, an early serial murderer named Peter Stumpp, they claimed that he had most assuredly been a wolf who turned back into a man after his capture before his gruesome execution put to rest his insatiable thirst for human prey.

Most of us are aware of the violent upheaval that swept away the French aristocracy during the Reign of Terror, but are unaware of the multitude of fantastic myths and byzantine conspiracies that presaged the event. The people believed that their crops had been cursed, and a widespread paranoia driven in part by a fungus that grew on rye which led to ‘The Great Fear’ drove the lower classes into a frenzy which only abated with the slaughter that followed on the heels of the revolution itself.

“Wretched indeed is the man who in the course of a long life has not learned that death is nothing to be feared. For death either completely destroys the human soul, in which case it is negligible, or takes the soul to a place where it can live forever, which makes it desirable. There is no third possibility.” Cicero

We live in precedented times contrary to prevailing public opinion. Humanity has a narrow range of observable behaviors over the long run and one of these is a collective descent into irrational madness. There is no cure for this malady other than the passage of time and the eventual dissolution of this toxic atmosphere that is almost always accompanied by a massive bloodletting. ‘Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.’ wrote Charles MacKay, author of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.

The evidence of this condition is ubiquitous and needs no examples for clarification. If you do not see it, then you are in its thrall and even if presented with the evidence would deny its existence. That’s how powerful popular delusions are, and as they absorb more adherents they increase in intensity until the most irrational and absurd beliefs become gospel. Remember that in towns and villages not many miles from where I write this morning mobs of old friends and neighbors murdered their old acquaintances for witchcraft only a short while ago in historical terms. The cult of the masks is but an indication of just how quickly entire swaths of the population can succumb to the pervasive fear of death, its ever-present knowledge percolating just beneath our consciousness, kept in check by whatever immortality project holds sway at any given time.

With the fading influence of God in American life, the collapse of organized religion and the waning conviction in the existence of a heavenly future, America has embraced a new faith rooted in the sterile soil of Science! Experts are the new clergy handing out advice in the same way priests once sold dispensations, vacillating wildly from month to month as the devout don the garments of their faith. The new promise of immortality is rooted in the fiction of The Singularity, a concept where our technological advance will one day eliminate death by turning us into technological hybrids capable of living forever in ease. The pronouncements of the Cathedral, slogans created by groups like the World Economic Forum like “In the future you will own nothing and be happy” do not sound at all different from the teachings of Christ- “Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth” and appeal to the same anxieties and fear present in all of us.

Last week I slaughtered a sow in the snow. She was a big one, well over 500 pounds and before I did what I had come to do I felt the same old sense of dread that accompanies me every time I carry the rifle out back to the hog shed. My heart rate increased and with it the elevated senses; the sound of my footsteps on the frozen rime, an awareness of the ice crystals floating in the frozen air. I always talk myself through what I am about to do one step at a time because for all the experience and history behind me there is something much larger that looms when death is imminent.

On that morning I took a page from the Bosnians who come up to slaughter their steers each fall and recited a silent prayer. I asked for steadiness, to make the shot a good one, to remember to clear the rifle and step in surely and to cut accurately allowing her a quick end. And almost instantly I could feel my breathing slow, and my heartbeat drop back to a normal range and afterward I finished what I had come out to do without a hitch. I stood by her and watched the bright red blood spread out across the pure white snow as she left this earth leaving only her body behind her for the nourishment of my family in the dark months to come.

Later when I shared this experience with my son, he told me that maybe what was causing me anxiety was that it made me think about my own death. I was grateful for his insight because while I do not fear death consciously, perhaps that is only because of the power of my own Immortality Project, my faith in God and the belief that energy cannot simply disappear but must go somewhere. Perhaps I am wrong on both counts, but they are as deeply ingrained in me as the sound of my own voice when it tells me what is right and what is wrong and so I hold fast to it throughout the trials and tribulations of life.

“Let us prepare our minds as if we’d come to the very end of life. Let us postpone nothing. Let us balance life’s books each day. The one who puts the finishing touches on their life each day is never short of time.”Seneca

And so I am drawn to the stoics yet again for their counsel, not because I know that they are right, but because their reflections calm my spirit while I make my way through this life. And just as the throngs wear their masks to forestall the inevitable end that we must all face, it provides me with not only some comfort, but it reinforces the Immortality Project that I have made to clothe my naked psyche from the ever-present reality of a certain demise. And as we move into precedented times once again we should remind ourselves that what we are observing isn’t political conflict or an ideological difference, but an existential threat to competing projects. To be wrong is to die forever, to overcome the is to live in eternity.

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flash
flash
January 13, 2021 6:28 pm

Speaking of unshakeable faith… The Q believers have it. Admirable really.

https://gab.com/JuliansRum/posts/105549446918067788

flash
flash
  flash
January 13, 2021 6:39 pm

Unshakeable

https://gab.com/Qstradamus/posts/105550334923741304\

@Qstradamus

3h
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There is no amount of blackpilling in the world that can change my faith in God’s plan. I don’t care what sheep say. Trump will STAY president. Arrests will happen. Q and the plan were given by the Lord to a select group of people. Everything is happening exactly the way it was meant to for Maximum exposure of the enemy. It’s your loss at this point if you’ve abandoned ship, you won’t be able to say you stood your ground with God. God’s changing America and the world for the better and everyone will see his hand on our nation. Yes this is harsh but too many good people have bent their knees to the power of darkness. You have to walk through the darkness to see the light. Stand your ground and watch what the God of creation does next. If you don’t agree keep your negativity to yourself.
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Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  flash
January 13, 2021 6:51 pm

Sheesh, Flash,

The stupid it burns

does not even apply here.
It’s more like

The psyop worked better than anyone ever thought it would

People who claim to be Christian but put their hopes in a severely flawed man need to be deprogrammed. It’s worse than Mormonism or Jehovah’s Witnesses.

flash
flash
  Mary Christine
January 13, 2021 6:56 pm

I just hope Trump doesn’t totally betray the Q faithful. I doubt many would recover.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  flash
January 13, 2021 7:11 pm

I think he already has betrayed them. They just don’t see it yet.

Uncola
Uncola
  flash
January 13, 2021 8:16 pm

I wrote about my friend on my “Fair is Foul” thread as well as on Maggie’s Trump/ Alamo post. This is the guy who is now absolutely convinced Trump is about to clean house via the military and that Flynn will be VP, that Pence will soon be behind bars, and Epstein will eventually be revealed as alive by Trump.

I told him that, indeed, a trap has been set over a period of decades and it’s about to spring shut and we will soon find out on whom, “finger’s crossed”, etc.

He sends me these cryptic screenshots of internet posters believing the same – with monikers like “The Storm is Here!”, “Patriots United!”, etc. Today, he sent me a video explaining away the Joint Chiefs Letter yesterday as Trump still playing 4 D chess with the guard in D.C. – the video had like 1,5oo views.

MAGA dreams do persist and wouldn’t it be something if Trump was, indeed, a super-patriot saving the nation at the last minute and with the secret backing of the military? In fact, the video even said we should not despair… even if Biden is sworn-in on January 20th. Because, even then, it won’t be too late.

I suppose anything is possible, right?

Right?

Right.

Or maybe the persistent huddled hope is a defense mechanism against loss, endings, and/or (as Hardscrabble eloquently alludes above)… the fear of death.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Uncola
January 13, 2021 10:27 pm

That kind of thinking is everywhere. It’s a spell, I tell ya.

DS
DS
  Uncola
January 13, 2021 10:42 pm

Good people have a deep desire for true justice to prevail, and hold out hope that traitors and other deep state criminals will face judgement. Also many of them just cannot admit how truly corrupt the gubmint has become, and therefore can’t see that the America they once new is now a dark Amerika.

You mentioned many times that Trump was one of 3 possibilities; and I concluded around 2017 or 18 something similar — that there was a good possibility he was a sleeper in a grand Uniparty psyop (perhaps specifically directed on conservatives/patriots), or maybe he really did believe in America First and was what I was voting for in 2016. I allowed myself to think, after not much kept happening, that it was thus because — if he were the real deal — he had to wait until he “saw the whites of their eyes” before dropping the hammer on the bad guys, because in order to do it right he had to take down a lot of entities — even some that would have to be betrayed if you know what I mean.

As such, it was always a long shot (even assuming the scale an breadth was “managable” to begin with). To string together a couple of cliches (or truisms?): hope is not a good strategy, but it dies hard…

flash
flash
  DS
January 13, 2021 10:48 pm

Check the spam for my reply.

Uncola
Uncola
  DS
January 13, 2021 11:15 pm

DS,

As you know, the three possibilities were

1.) Real swamp fighter

2.) Unwitting dupe who vastly underestimated the swamp

3.) Judas Goat

And I believe what is now becoming clear is this: Trump was #3 all along, who first pretended to be a #1 and is now pretending to be a #2.

Of course that is my assessment at this time and barring any last minute hail-mary maneuvers. Like I said above, and before, respectively: anything is possible and it ain’t over until it’s over.

Uniparty
Uniparty
  Uncola
January 14, 2021 7:20 am
Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Uncola
January 14, 2021 10:01 am

anything is possible and it ain’t over until it’s over.

That’s where I’m perched. If he is #2, then he’s ruined. His family is ruined and his business brand is ruined. I think the show that is going on right now, which seems like a scorched earth policy, is going to backfire and somehow Trump will end up back in office. But, then, maybe not. Who knows? Each day is a new drama.

Long Time Lurker
Long Time Lurker
  Uncola
January 14, 2021 3:19 pm

“In stockyards, a Judas goat will lead sheep to slaughter, while its own life is spared.” Ow.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  Uncola
January 15, 2021 12:01 am

It is pretty obvious it had to be this way.
Without this jarring thud, as HSF so eloquently just schooled us on, we would be devoid of the experience.
All of this damaging momentum, bruising us, scraping us is actually the point, necessary.
Trump and team, brought us to the swamp, I am sure you noticed the odor.
Was your #1 a belief Trump was going in alone and gonna just clean it up and you might catch a news clipping of it?
Would that be great?

August
August
  Uncola
January 13, 2021 11:16 pm

The death of the Republic is real. As all here know, the coming years will be difficult, and perhaps fatal for many. Still, it will be a clarifying experience, with many actors at last laying their cards on the table.

IMHO the Old Republic had to die, since it had become nothing but decade after decade of professional liars telling their professional lies. If it weren’t for the real pain to be experienced by large numbers of people, I’d even be tempted to call these days exilharating.

Try to be of good cheer – we all die… and God does know His own.

Ghost
Ghost
  Uncola
January 14, 2021 8:07 am

I got one last night worth showing.

Ghost
Ghost
  Ghost
January 14, 2021 9:37 am

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RiNS
RiNS
  Ghost
January 14, 2021 9:43 am

grasping at straws, they are…

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Uncola
January 14, 2021 9:49 am

Unc, great post! Your last sentence is the key to it all, and HSF picked up on it as well. I just can’t wrap my mind around why people are so afraid of death. Sheet mon, I WANT to be with the Lord, but at His hour.

And perhaps that gets into what I’ve been discussing all along: Western Christianity is milquetoast. They go along with the traditions because they get presents, pretty trees, spring lilies, and good FEELZ.

We need Charles Martel. Better yet, a million of him. I’m ashamed to even look at these Faux Christians and call them “American”.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Articles of Confederation
January 14, 2021 10:43 am

Should I follow the Jesus that died on the cross or the one that expelled the money changers? It is tough to conjure zeal when you are confused.

Stucky
Stucky
  Anonymous
January 14, 2021 11:20 am

Follow both. Would it kill you to try that?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
January 14, 2021 11:36 am

They are logically inconsistent, are they not?

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Anonymous
January 14, 2021 11:49 am

Nope.

Stucky
Stucky
  Anonymous
January 14, 2021 11:55 am

Nope.

Jesus’ death was a sacrifice.

The temple was a place to offer sacrifice. The money-changers turned a place of worship into a Big Business Enterprise. So, Jesus chased them out … in order that folks could make sacrifice as God intended in HIS house.

Where is the”logical inconsistency”? If the money-changers would have just set up shop down the street — and not in the temple — I’m guessing Jesus wouldn’t have laid a hand on them.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
January 14, 2021 1:43 pm

So Jesus submitted to his accusers — not for ethical reasons (i.e. because it was the right thing to do), but rather because of utility (i.e. he had a job to do —redeem man?

What about the rest of his ministry? Other than the temple incident, he is exclusively nonviolent in his approaches to conflict isn’t he?

Stucky
Stucky
  Anonymous
January 14, 2021 2:20 pm

What? You think I have time to be your personal theology teacher?

I think you’re a Snake … all sly and full of deceit. You PRETEND to be looking for answers. While all along you have a hidden agenda … some deep point you want to make … but, too cowardly to spill the beans.

I’m done with you. Have a good day.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
January 14, 2021 3:11 pm

I was actually fishing for your take specifically because I respect all the research you have done on religion. It is truly a topic that haunts me. I do not have any special point I want to make other than it seems contradictory to me and I don’t want it to be. I want it to make sense. My apologies if I came off as a passive aggressive snake.

Stucky
Stucky
  Anonymous
January 14, 2021 4:20 pm

Sometimes I look in the mirror and I see an asshole staring at me. I owe YOU an apology. I misread your intentions by a country mile.

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I can’t think of any other examples where Jesus committed physical violence.

— But, I wonder why Peter was “armed with a sword, cut off the servant’s ear”. Was he just a hothead, or did he glean such behavior from Jesus’ teachings, actions, etc.

— I wonder why Jesus said his followers can’t come to him unless they, “hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also”. That’s a LOT of hate there. And hate leads to violence.

— When a Samaritan village did not welcome Jesus, I wonder why James (Jesus’ own brother) first inclination was violence; — Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them?”

— The Jews wanted Jesus crucified because they accused him of blasphemy. The Romans could care less about this. The Romans executed Jesus because he was an enemy of the state. He was accused of treason to the State. Treason and violence go hand-in-hand.

—— Jesus was an enemy of the State when he was just an infant … when Herod allegedly killed many infants in hopes that one of them was Jesus

—— Jesus’ cousin, John, was himself executed by the State for lack of respect for the office of the king.

—— Jesus loved to mock Authority … and the State hates to be mocked, and will kill those who are good at it

— One of Jesus’ apostles was a Zealot. Zealots were Jewish Nationalists committed to violent political uprisings against the Roman occupation. The sign the Romans put on the cross “King of the Jews” is a possible indication that Jesus directly or indirectly supported such sedition.

— What about this?? Jesus is quoted in the Gospels as predicting eternal fiery punishment in an afterlife for the wicked. Is that not violence??

— Last, but not least, is …. The Other Jesus. The Jesus in the book of Revelation, who has a sword in his mouth, who rides on a white
horse, and comes to smite the nations. Sounds a bit violent to me.
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The overwhelming image of Jesus is him being “meek and mild”. It is a hard perception to overcome. Few to none dare to imagine Jesus as really pissed off and angry. But, that aspect is there, sometimes hidden in plain sight. Jesus may not have preached violence out-rightly, but it sure seems violence followed him around.

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Again, sorry for jumping all over you. I hope this somewhat detailed answer makes up for it … and gives you something to think about.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Stucky
January 14, 2021 4:45 pm

It sure does, Stucky. This is really good stuff; going to print it off for further study and consideration. My perspectives do have a tendency to jump to black or white, so this nuanced approach is very helpful. Thank you.

Stucky
Stucky
  Anonymous
January 14, 2021 6:51 pm

You’re welcome …. and thank you, kindly.

One thing I have learned about the Bible — and I started reading/studying decades ago in my 20s (with some rather long breaks in between) — is that there isn’t much that is truly black & white.

But, that’s just ME. Others see very much in black & white terms; e.g., “This means THAT and ONLY that!!” I prefer to question everything. For me (again) accepting things as only black or white means there’s really no reason to question anything, … and that’s just not my cup of tea.

Ghost
Ghost
  Stucky
January 14, 2021 4:54 pm

You are a real man, capable of admitting mistakes… you are really a good man, in spite of what some people say about you. (Joking.)

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Articles of Confederation
January 14, 2021 11:33 am

I am only guessing when I submit that those who are divorced from the Natural world, i.e. lives connected to the outdoors, providing one’s own sustenance, the seasonal turnings, growth and decay, life and death on a daily basis simply have no experience from which to formulate a cogent understanding of purpose or destiny. Plato’s cave analogy always escaped me as an apt metaphor for those who live in ignorance, but now I understand it much better than I once did. Shadows approximate what causes them but are insubstantial in reality. This is the world that the majority inhabit and their numbers pose a substantial impediment to those who view the world through the lens of what is.

Ben Lurken
Ben Lurken
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 14, 2021 12:40 pm

This article along with an academic article I read a couple of weeks ago inspired me to revisit the pronouncements of the Oracle of Delphi. What a trip!
That academic author, it seemed to me, was trying to assert that since the Pythia spoke in unintelligible language her words were interpreted by priests who were in fact agents of whatever faction was in power at the time. Invade Persia? Oracle said so. So now we can have consent of the governed and can easily raise an army of Hoplites.
I’m embarrassed to admit I did want it to be true that the forerunner to the CIA was this psyop back in 1500BC. The Oracle is said to have claimed that no one is wiser than Socrates, who said, “what I do not know, I do not think I know”. So I suppose that is evidence against conspiracy theories, in which, I wanted to believe this one.
Anyway, since we know HSF is currently pondering the Stoics, perhaps part of the inspiration for this gem comes from
Diogenes Laërtius recorded that when Zeno of Citium “consulted the oracle, as to what he ought to do to live in the most excellent manner, the God answered him that he ought to become of the same complexion as the dead, on which he inferred that he ought to apply himself to the reading of the books of the ancients. Accordingly, he attached himself to Crates of Thebes….”

The Crates dude is weird. He supposedly lived as a homeless person on the streets of Athens. Are we supposed to become homeless in order to live our best life?

DS
DS
  Ben Lurken
January 14, 2021 1:18 pm

“Are we supposed to become homeless in order to live our best life?”

Yes — you will own nothing, and be happy. That’s the Schwab retirement plan

Ghost
Ghost
  DS
January 14, 2021 4:59 pm

or Mother Theresa…

Jaz
Jaz
  Ben Lurken
January 14, 2021 3:42 pm

Ben Lurken, being a debt-slave “keeping up with the Jones’s” is truly what keeps people down and blind.

Ben Lurken
Ben Lurken
  Jaz
January 14, 2021 5:35 pm

Jaz, that’s pretty good, I get it.
And funny thing is I just came back from a market with a sit down eatery inside.
I walked by a guy I’ve seen many times either sitting on a bench somewhere or riding his bike.
Maybe he’s homeless, I don’t know. But he had some papers he was writing in. For a moment I was thinking of engaging to see if he’s a philosopher.

Craven Warrior
Craven Warrior
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 14, 2021 12:43 pm

In a perfect world you would be a part time professor of philosophy at a school that loved truth.

Unreconstructed
Unreconstructed
  Articles of Confederation
January 14, 2021 11:36 am

“…because they get presents, pretty trees, spring lilies, and good FEELZ.”
They also getz 501c3 tax status as long as they don’t SAY anything political. So much for Free Speech!! We won’t say nothing as long as we can keep the money.

Baba Looey
Baba Looey
  Uncola
January 14, 2021 11:45 am

Echoing HS’s comments about living through precedented times, there really is not much new under the sun. “Trust the Plan” was very successful in the Soviet Union. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trust
That should give everyone significant pause. The enemy has been inside the gates for some time it seems.

ottomatik
ottomatik
  Uncola
January 14, 2021 11:41 pm

I have prepared my death song, and balanced the books near daily, I am not huddled up hoping for some miracle. Trite dismissal is a dangerous business, as you well know, for you have done a remarkable job of skating the fine line of the middle in all of your elocution, without succumbing to its embrace.

m
m
  Mary Christine
January 14, 2021 11:29 am

A Christian should never put their hopes in a severely flawed man?

Someone I understood their message a little differently.

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
  flash
January 13, 2021 7:16 pm

While I would love for this to be the case, it seems who ever wrote this forgets that God’s plan includes a lot of bad things with a strong delusion of almost all that would fool even the elect and end all life on Earth if Jesus/Yeshua did not return. So while I will “hope” for the best, I try to prepare mentally, physically and spirtually for the other.

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
  Didius Julianus
January 13, 2021 7:25 pm

I’ll just add that the time is not set, God has used evil and selfish people for good so there is very slight chance this is the case with “the plan” and it is a temporary forestalling of the final resolution in this age. If that happens, consider it some of God’s grace to give more people time to realize the truth and prepare spiritually, physically and mentally.

suzanna
suzanna
  Didius Julianus
January 15, 2021 12:32 pm

@DJ,

One must be prepared mentally, physically and spiritually.
You are so right on that.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  flash
January 13, 2021 7:46 pm

Who told you its God’s plan for Trump to stay in office?
Maybe it’s God’s plan for Trump to be removed and let the end times and great judgement begin.
Trump can’t save us from eternal condemnation only faith in Jesus can.

flash
flash
  Eyes Wide Shut
January 13, 2021 10:14 pm

Who told you it wasn’t ?

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  flash
January 13, 2021 10:31 pm

I said maybe. We’ll know soon enough.

Saxons Wrath
Saxons Wrath
  flash
January 14, 2021 12:42 am

Cowards die a thousand deaths…
A brave man dies but once…
And once is enough.

very old white guy
very old white guy
  flash
January 14, 2021 8:16 am

My concern is that God is about to punish America.

Dirtperson Steve
Dirtperson Steve
  very old white guy
January 14, 2021 11:24 am

I have been rereading I Kings over the past few days. Again and again God withholds the full measure of his wrath because of his promises to David, a king who loved God. For many generations after when his people turned away they would be given a small measure compared to what they deserved.

Even the wise Solomon allowed altars to other gods.

From the opening “prayer” of the 117th congress.

“We ask it in the name of the monotheistic God, Brahma, and God known by many names by many different faiths,”

We were warned…

3 “Worship no god but me.
4 “Do not make for yourselves images of anything in heaven or on earth or in the water under the earth. 5 Do not bow down to any idol or worship it, because I am the Lord your God and I tolerate no rivals. I bring punishment
on those who hate me and on their descendants down to the third and fourth generation.

6 But I show my love to thousands of generations of those who love me and obey my laws.” Exodus 20:3-6

Our punishment will be well deserved.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Dirtperson Steve
January 14, 2021 11:55 am

Yes indeed, Steve. Indeed it will. Was that really the opening prayer, BTW? Seriously? I really do hope a sweet meteor of doom hits DC.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  very old white guy
January 15, 2021 9:07 am

Guy, if you remember the old testament punishments, the kings and the entire royal courts were punished. Our rulers are currently getting away with murder. If you see the rulers suffering, you will know we are truly under judgement. Right now we are suffering the consequences for never holding our elected representatives feet to the fire.

Montefrío
Montefrío
  flash
January 14, 2021 1:17 pm

No, I don’t think I will. Hope in a possible but improbable God seems to me counter-productive. Make of that what you will.

Texas Bill
Texas Bill
  flash
January 14, 2021 1:53 pm

“Q” is a NSA project initiated by the CIA. Their goal is to foment civil war and eventual military rule over the USA on their path to the New World Order.

“Q” is using us and Trump to start a civil war with the left so the military can eventually purge all of us and create a military dictatorship. The pandemic is part of the their plan to make it easier for them to overthrow our current system.

I believe in God with all my heart and mind….so…what will be will be.

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Texas Bill
January 14, 2021 5:44 pm

The NSA and CIA do not play nicely in the same sandbox. Think of Two-Face’s coin.

I know which side of that coin I support.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  flash
January 14, 2021 9:19 pm

Hmmm, very interesting….

But given the recent revelations by British investigator David J. Blake – who for the first time was able to conclusively show, at the technical level, that the “Russian hacking” operation was a cyber psyop run by the FBI and FBI cyber security contractor CrowdStrike – the Reuters report may in fact indicate that “Q Anon” was neither a hoax nor “Russian”, but another FBI psychological cyber operation.

Ya don’t say…

https://swprs.org/q-anon-may-have-been-an-fbi-psyop/

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Mary Christine
January 15, 2021 7:10 am

Impossible. There hasn’t been anything even approximating that level of sophistication or success in the FBI since the 1950’s. They are to intelligence what NASA is to Moon exploration.

Naval Intelligence, perhaps a private tech company AI, but definitely not Comey or Wray’s FBI. And the final proof is that if it were, they would have leaked it to the press long ago.

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Mary Christine
January 15, 2021 9:12 am

I just threw that out there. You notice the report is from Reuters. I didn’t say it was true. It’s just more mis-information to throw people off of who was really behind it. I agree with your conclusion, Phoenix. They probably had a lot of fun with it. Treated it like a game.

Charlotte Corday
Charlotte Corday
January 13, 2021 6:37 pm

Hardscrabble, this is finest article I have ever seen on this site. I feel that same way
even even with my chickens; never yet a hog. It reminds me of the scene in the Virgin Spring, when he purifies himself for the duty he must perform. I loved the Mozart quote, of which I was not aware.
Thank you.

subwo
subwo
  Charlotte Corday
January 13, 2021 8:17 pm

CC, go to his website and catch up on his essays.

Norham Foul
Norham Foul
  Charlotte Corday
January 14, 2021 5:27 am

I have to agree with Charlotte, or at least say (because there is so much good writing on this site) this piece is a cream-of-crop essay reflecting on contemporary life and times contrasted against the infinite past, present, and future. Thank you for the perspective it is enriching and important and provides me a meaningful way to begin my day.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
January 13, 2021 6:38 pm

In my lifetime I have literally killed hundreds upon hundreds of God’s living creatures and not one ever joyfully.
Whatever the reason or the need each life taken has brought great sadness to my soul.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Eyes Wide Shut
January 13, 2021 6:46 pm

In death either oblivion or eternity.
If eternity either in glory or condemnation.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Eyes Wide Shut
January 13, 2021 8:10 pm

QOTD HSF

Do you think the Bible in it’s entirety is a man made immortality project or true?

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Eyes Wide Shut
January 13, 2021 10:38 pm

If this is the end of Trump politically then my theory of him as possibly coinciding with the biblical last trump and trump of God that initiates the rapture may be soon put to the test.
We may soon see.

messianicdruid
messianicdruid
  Eyes Wide Shut
January 13, 2021 7:43 pm

I killed a raccoon one morning after he killed 8 of my 5 week old chicks, and he only ate half of one of them. Unfortunately for him I set the door with a weight which trapped him .

Stucky
Stucky
January 13, 2021 6:54 pm

I’ve been living in some stage of fear nearly every day of my life for the past three years.

OK, now, I’ll read the article.

Maybe it will help me. My soul needs help.

flash
flash
  Stucky
January 13, 2021 7:07 pm

All you need to know.
John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Jaz
Jaz
  flash
January 14, 2021 3:49 pm

Flash, we all have divinity in us.
John 14:12: “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.”

Auntie Kriest
Auntie Kriest
  Stucky
January 13, 2021 9:41 pm

Fear not!

Read very slowly the 91st Psalm.

Tim
Tim
January 13, 2021 7:05 pm

I’m sorry to be the grammar douchebag, but this one caught my eye at the end:

:to overcome the is to live in eternity.” emphasis added.

I really did enjoy the piece! Lovely.

Montefrío
Montefrío
  Tim
January 14, 2021 2:20 pm

ISis beyond space and time. IS is the Tao. Once this knowledge/experience is internalized, true transcendece becomes possible.,

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
January 13, 2021 7:13 pm

Thank you.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 13, 2021 7:15 pm

The best literature I have read. Very eloquent and meets the soul of every American head on.

Uncola
Uncola
January 13, 2021 7:26 pm

Someone, I think it was an author (possibly Cormac McCarthy?), who said all timeless literature reflects, in some way, on the subject of death. Perhaps this is because dying is what we all have in common. Therefore, it could be our blackest of fears have to do with the unknown and how it relates to the end of things; or, rather, the end of us. The end of life.

If death is contrary to life, can people truly appreciate their lives, in gratitude, if there were no death? Imagine understanding heat without cold or light without shadow. It’s possible we will never feel more alive than when we are just about to die – and that might even be the reason it’s said our lives “flash before our eyes”.

In my experience, people who love life don’t’ seem to fear death as much as others with regrets, resentments, anger, hate, envy, or the overall lack of acceptance that stems from insecurity and pride. In that regard, fear is contrary to life too. Admittedly, I am not a theologian; but I have speculated if life is love and that’s, seriously, all there is… and this why the New Testament writer wrote: “He that fears is not made perfect in love.” (1 John 4:18).

I have a relative who has cancer from smoking their entire life. They have cancerous nodules on their lungs and they still smoke, if you can believe it. They tested positive for Covid and had a mild cough for two weeks. That was it.

Then there’s a guy who I’ve known for 30 years. We used to work together at the same time our wives worked with each other at another employer. We all enjoyed each other’s company, even off work, so we often got together on weekends and such. We sort of lost touch through the years but I heard he had Covid. He used to smoke years ago but he stopped. He had no other underlying health issues. They put him on a ventilator last week and he died. He was 60 years old.

Obviously, there are no guarantees in life.

Last night, I was in a meeting with 30 people. I was the only one without a mask. People looked at me with disbelief and I could see them wondering…. “why?”. Some of them, I believe, were angry because they may have thought I was putting lives at risk. But others, I think, were mad because I wasn’t playing the “game”.

I know what I know and I was ready to explain. I had my answers ready, but no one said anything. For me, it was a good meeting. I didn’t mind that they were wearing the masks. I didn’t judge them or even condemn them in my mind. Not at all. I was at peace.

Craven Moorehead
Craven Moorehead
  Uncola
January 13, 2021 7:32 pm

In “Doctor Sleep” (the sequel to “The Shining”) Stephen King calls death “every bit as much a miracle as birth.”

Jordan Peterson has called death a “friend of Being.”

I had never heard the Seneca quote before this essay, but I will remember it. It is brilliant.

Our culture has so demonized the very concept of death in service of the ludicrous dialectic of Life=Good, therefore Death=Bad. Its not only complete nonsense, but we may never know just how damaging to our lives and possibly our souls.

DRUD
DRUD
  Craven Moorehead
January 13, 2021 10:08 pm

Oops.. used that name for a joke.

August
August
  Craven Moorehead
January 13, 2021 11:24 pm

In Tolkien’s world, death is “the boon of Man”.

I agree.

RiNS
RiNS
  Uncola
January 13, 2021 9:12 pm

In 1999 I was involved in an accident where the truck I was driving t-boned a small car.

There had been an ongoing search that day in question for missing person. Reports were that an elderly man had gone into the bush suffering from dementia. The driver in front of me was part of that search. With his focus on the forest he pulled that u-turn. Neither of us had time to react. I wasn’t at fault but none of that made what happened any better.

After I got stopped I ran over to car…I saw him alone in the car when he turned. He looked at me and said nothing. He then looked away and slumped over into passenger seat..

There are no guarantees in life.

I would call police every couple of days for about six weeks to find out how the man was doing. I hadn’t heard anything and started to move on. Then it was the Police who called me. They let me know that man had passed away. The Officer told me he never came out of his coma.

I never knew him and he never knew me.

Reading this article made me think about it.
And remembering it now is a good thing.

flash
flash
  RiNS
January 13, 2021 10:40 pm

Life throws bricks. Some do little damage, but leave lifelong cuts that might take a lifetime to heal. It’s all part of the test. We either survive the pain of the knowledge of our fragile existence or we crack. Cracking is the quiet desperation we seek to silence with food drink, sex, drama or appealing to God the ugliness of that invades our peace. Prayer works for me. I’m not good at it, but it works just the same.

Ghost
Ghost
  RiNS
January 14, 2021 8:02 am

Poignant.

RiNS
RiNS
  Ghost
January 14, 2021 1:39 pm

I’m glad you think so ghost. I worry that I sound callous when I write about it.

Flash is right!

The Lord does throw bricks. Some years ago I went to talk to someone about this and a few other things that have transpired in my life. We worked on it for while, trying to square the cuts and make things right. It all ended with no conclusive answers, which is as far as I’m concerned, as it should be.

I do walk through that day once in awhile still and probably always will. It is not a paralyzing force some might think, although I do have some restless sleep. The thing that really gets me is that Man was searching for someone who was already lost.

There are days when I wonder if he was looking for two.

Ghost
Ghost
  RiNS
January 14, 2021 5:04 pm
Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  RiNS
January 14, 2021 5:46 pm

RiNS, real men admit when they need to reach out for someone’s counsel. I give you mad props for that, and BTW you aren’t alone in having to walk that rocky road. I pity those who walk that road barefoot in the blazing summer sun.

Frank
Frank
January 13, 2021 7:31 pm

Interesting how you must die (to self) in order to achieve immortality.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut
  Frank
January 13, 2021 7:52 pm

That’s because self can never save us only God’s grace by faith in Jesus can.
Self generally just gets in our way.

Ichabod
Ichabod
  Frank
January 14, 2021 2:42 am

If you pick up a handful of ordinary sand and set about the task of placing each grain of sand with tweezers and a magnifying glass on each intersecting line of an ordinary piece of grid paper, along the way self impotency dissolves as we remember each grain was our tombstone in succession of transmigration.

Some of us would like to spray some lacquer on each of the eternal sheets of way up high, without drugs, simplified meditation, strung out on feral honeybees I been saving, training to speak in complete sentences, not frazzled nor disarrayed.

No where to hide when the lights come on, and thats just the lifetimes as a “male with a mole on the right butt cheek. Comprende? I could go back pre “big bang”? the moment “it stepped through already carrying totality, though only until the apex dilated similar as when the chip card reader bequeaths us to remove our card.

“Advice on dying and Living a better Life” by his Holiness The Dalai Llama is worth every single word read, with bonus passages, sure to fill your eyes with light.
Peace

Ghost
Ghost
  Ichabod
January 14, 2021 7:57 am

You received my colorful language thumbsup.

Captain_Obviuos
Captain_Obviuos
January 13, 2021 7:34 pm

HSF,

Your soul amazes me. Whenever I lose faith in mankind, someone like you helps restore it. Thank you for this.

By the way, that’s not a lie up there, HSF makes the best damn maple syrup I’ve ever tasted. Anyone who needs a voucher, here’s one right here. I can’t wait to get some more!

Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation
  Captain_Obviuos
January 14, 2021 12:06 pm

My son agrees and so do I!

RiNS
RiNS
January 13, 2021 7:40 pm

There is a rhyme is in what is written here…
Maybe it’s the rhyme that is the key to immortality…

Ghost
Ghost
  RiNS
January 14, 2021 7:55 am

It ain’t rhymin’ time…it is quiet time.

Shhhhhhhh…

Undiapered in VA ILuvCO2
Undiapered in VA ILuvCO2
  Ghost
January 14, 2021 8:38 pm

Quiet time, I like that Ghost. Be still. Glad to have you back.

bryanjb
bryanjb
January 13, 2021 7:44 pm

HF, we are having the same mortal coil gyrations as we think thru increasing our flock to include meat birds, and down the road a bit, pigs too. Life is like breakfast – either committed like the pig, or involved like the chicken.

Your voice is present in your writing, and to our ears, like a warm fire on a cold night. The energy of that fire will endure – of that I have the certainty of a moment of grace in my younger days. Thanks to you and M for being there.

Chipon1
Chipon1
January 13, 2021 7:47 pm

Nice work, as you nicely detailed death, while a concern especially as you age is reduced as a foe if you are properly prepared. The Doors were correct “ the future is uncertain but the end is always near”.
See you in July

Two if by sea. Three if from within thee.
Two if by sea. Three if from within thee.
January 13, 2021 8:28 pm

Thank you for the nuanced outlook, HSF.

OHMama
OHMama
January 13, 2021 8:29 pm

An excellent and introspective piece, thank you for the thoughts it provoked. It is good to see the hysteria we are living through in historical context, knowing that it has passed before and will pass again once everyone works it out of their system.

One of my husband’s relatives was hung as a witch at Salem. I’m hoping we don’t get to relive that one in a personal sense. Apparently his family couldn’t help being oddballs/outsiders then and can’t help it now either.

I feel similar emotions to those you describe about pig slaughter when we slaughter chickens. It is a very surreal feeling checking on them that last night, knowing it is their last on earth and that it is at my will and my hand they will die. The morning of slaughter is strange too, knowing it is the last sunrise they will see, when I have raised them from adorable little chicks to great big white lunkers in the brief 8 weeks they are here on Earth. Sobering. It does put you in touch with your own mortality and the fleeting nature of life, however small (or in the case of meat chickens, incredibly dumb) it may be. It also makes you very loathe to waste anything from their bodies, because you know the price paid to give it to you. The mantle of stewardship feels very heavy on slaughter day.

I think humans lost a lot when we moved off the land and stopped being part of the rhythm of seasons. Farming has a harshness to it beneath the bucolic hayfields and sunny summer days. It refuses to let you evade the eternal truth that all of creation is about making and taking life so that others can live, and that we are part of that cycle too.

I’m glad that if we’ve given her nothing else, we’ve been able to raise our daughter on a farm and have her be part of that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  OHMama
January 13, 2021 9:42 pm

Beautifully said..

Unreconstructed
Unreconstructed
  OHMama
January 14, 2021 6:54 am

“It refuses to let you evade the eternal truth that all of creation is about making and taking life so that others can live, …”

In the movie “City Slickers”, the boys have rescued the calf from almost drowning in the river and finally brought in the herd. The rancher informs the clueless slickers that the herd is now going to the slaughter house, including eventually the young calf. The slickers are dumbfounded (clueless) and then the rancher ask the question, ” Where do you think that meat wrapped in cellophane at the grocery store comes from?”
When we don’t have to wield the knife or pull the trigger, we lose the meaning of “sacrifice.”
Most enlightening. The innocent have to die so that we might live. Reminds me of a story in the Bible.

Undiapered in VA ILuvCO2
Undiapered in VA ILuvCO2
  OHMama
January 14, 2021 8:41 pm

Hopefully we can avoid the guillotine and the French revolution here in ‘ merica… God willing.

subwo
subwo
January 13, 2021 8:34 pm

I sent this to my wife and we had a discussion about it which led her to reflect that as a former nurse she disagrees with Catholic doctrine about birth control. She would rather see a young woman take a pill than get an abortion. Her mom was a ward of The Sisters of Mercy and mom always told her to think for herself not what the priests command. Conversely, a good friend of ours will not proscribe birth control pills to his patients as he is a deacon in the church. I just wonder how many of the young women he saw later went on to get an abortion.
The cult of the mask even has the pope saying that it is permitted to take a vaccine that uses stem cells from aborted foetuses. But then I think he is considering the church as a business that has had interests in birth control and armaments in the past. Perhaps they too stand to gain from vaccine distribution to the masses.

OHMama
OHMama
  subwo
January 13, 2021 10:07 pm

Personally, I oppose the Pill and also any of the IUDs/patches because of the harmful side effects they bring. They really wreak havoc on women’s health (hormonal manipulation in a health person is NOT a good idea). Barrier methods, on the other hand, hurt nobody (other than maybe being annoying, a dumb reason to not use them) and are a perfectly reasonable way to avoid unwanted pregnancy, regardless of what any church says, IMHO.

Ghost
Ghost
  OHMama
January 14, 2021 10:08 am

OhMama? You inspired me to wander memory lane.

I went looking for Mary Christine’s “debut” post here at TBP so long ago and far away I’ve lived two lifetimes and recovered from four surgeries. If you don’t know my history don’t ask; if you do know, you will do the same (not ask.)

The Awful Truth: Cognitive Dissonance Will Be Our Destruction

I am going to reread her masterpiece along with some of the fine commentary it invoked here (and abroad!) I will probably end up commenting on that essay and wonder if Mary Christine, having named the Awful Truth two years ago, might like to add a moratorium on her accurate diagnosis: Complete and Total Cognitive Dissonance.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;
because you have rejected knowledge,
I reject you from being a priest to me.
And since you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children. – Hosea 4:6

Mr. Thistle will notice I did not cheat the wordcount by making longagoandfaraway a single word.

TS
TS
  Ghost
January 14, 2021 10:26 am

Good on ya, Sheila.

Ghost
Ghost
  TS
January 14, 2021 10:53 am

Am so glad you caught that. If MC were to offer a revised version, it might be interesting to think about some of the horrors we face ahead.

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https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/22/living/shout-your-abortion-feat/index.html

Mary Christine
Mary Christine
  Ghost
January 14, 2021 10:52 am

That wasn’t my debut post. It was just the one that caused everyone to go crazy, like 500 comments crazy. This was my first post.

What REALLY Made Women Go Nuts?

Ghost
Ghost
  Mary Christine
January 14, 2021 11:58 am

Oh, I’d forgotten… it really has been a lifetime or two ago, hasn’t it?

That was a good one too.

August
August
  subwo
January 13, 2021 11:30 pm

Bergolglio isn’t Pope, so opinion is not relevant to Church teachings.

theOtherDan
theOtherDan
January 13, 2021 8:58 pm
OHMama
OHMama
  theOtherDan
January 13, 2021 11:21 pm

Love this. I grew up in the suburbs and my husband grew up deep in the city. Now we live on a small homestead that we own, and run a farm nearby for someone else. Wouldn’t trade it for any other life, I was born for it, and so was my hubs.
if you want to farm, do it. If we can, you can too.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  theOtherDan
January 14, 2021 7:36 am

That was inspiring.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 13, 2021 9:33 pm

They call me the seeker
Ive been searching low and high
I wont get to get what Im after
Till the day I die

Davido Davido
Davido Davido
January 13, 2021 9:40 pm

Beautiful. Thank you.

Auntie Kriest
Auntie Kriest
January 13, 2021 9:51 pm

And sometimes Auntie, meditating on the project of Life and Death, think it more like mucking the barn.

RiNS
RiNS
January 13, 2021 10:28 pm

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RiNS
RiNS
  RiNS
January 14, 2021 6:28 am

That movie, The Seventh Seal, was and is a Great Movie…

Ghost
Ghost
  RiNS
January 14, 2021 11:56 am

True that.

Norham Foul
Norham Foul
  RiNS
January 14, 2021 1:34 pm

Had to do a double-take…for a minute I registered the dark, dark movie “Se7en.” Pondering. With all, we’ve experienced during this Trump reign up to and including the Great COVID World Shutdown maybe “Uncola,” is right. The script calls for an ending more shocking and unexpected than even the movie Se7en ends with. I was thinking of market crash and/or a manifested Q prophecy?

RevTKS
RevTKS
January 14, 2021 12:52 am

They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie. -2 Thessalonians 2:10

Those who have refused to seek truth are being trapped within delusion. Reason and logic are nowhere to be found in those who have abandoned the truth.

m
m
January 14, 2021 6:40 am

Do I read this wrong?
I know you intend well, Hardscrabble Farmer, but it’s saddening to see you deliver the ‘anxiety of death’ concocted explanation without attempt of refutation – as if you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

Watch this lecture, as it refutes it conclusively -as well as it’s offshoots such as ‘terror management theory’-, and shows you the only way out. And for the atheists, even without invoking religion, but nonetheless true for religious people too:

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  m
January 14, 2021 7:23 am

I presented it as a possible explanation for the Covid death cult and their inexplicable behavior in the face of reality.

I know nothing.

Take it or leave it, it is neither good nor bad.

RiNS
RiNS
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 14, 2021 8:43 am

m

If you think the Peterson lecture refutes the article above conclusively, then you have entirely missed the point of the lecture.

Word up m!

Speaking in absolutes… not a good look!

Don’t get me wrong I think Peterson is one of the great thinkers of this time. Still, he is but one great thinker in a long line of thinkers. Is it not best to take under advisement his conclusion no moar and no less. There are more strings to play and even he would likely attest. Better to take under consideration much of what he says, follow his advice yes, but strum your guitar, in the temple of Sirius, your own way.

m
m
  RiNS
January 14, 2021 11:33 am

Maybe try to read my post with less preconceptions…

>Watch this lecture, as it refutes it [‘anxiety of death’ theory] conclusively

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  m
January 14, 2021 11:56 am

Does his dishonesty about his own life not leave you with a certain sense of caution? I find him to be a very convincing speaker, but a deeply troubled man who doesn’t appear to be on the road to redemption.
Not that he owes it to anyone, only that he realizes how leaving it out there diminishes whatever messages he may be trying to send.

m
m
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 14, 2021 5:30 pm

Seriously, you come at me with a perfectist critique on Peterson?

He’s a flawed person, like we all are.
But Peterson is the person who goes full-bore meticulously rational at things – and then tells (and shows) you the limits of rationality.

With that out of the way, let’s now focus on his arguments.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  m
January 14, 2021 6:13 pm

“…it’s saddening to see you deliver the ‘anxiety of death’ concocted explanation without attempt of refutation – as if you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

Watch this lecture, as it refutes it conclusively -as well as it’s offshoots such as ‘terror management theory’-, and shows you the only way out.”

I presented an idea that seemed to fit an observable phenomenon. I don’t usually present my ideas and then refute what I have written because A) it would double my already excessive word count, and B) I choose to communicate what I sense to be as close to accurate based on my own observations, refuting myself would be…conflicted? I don’t know, but it seems like weird thing to do. Usually people read what I write and either relate to it or correct me where I’ve made some kind of logical faux pas. And when I am mistaken, I usually thank the respondent and correct my notions. That’s kind of the point of posting here, as a means of finding the flaws in my worldview by listening to people better informed and wiser than I am. I care about the truth, not being right.

And I didn’t “come at you”, I merely asked if you weren’t concerned about trusting the word of someone who is- to be kind- overwrought, drug addicted, and prone to exaggeration. In modern parlance he is problematic.

I spent a fair amount of time as well as giving him the benefit of doubt when he first appeared a few years ago but sensed- as it later turned out- that he was not exactly stable.

If you do not believe that people are not afraid of death, how would you explain the mask phenomenon?

And I have no idea what a perfectist critique is. I don’t expect people to be perfect, if that’s what you’re suggesting, no one is, but if you are going to give advice to people about how to make their life better, then you had better have a life that isn’t centered around taking drugs to combat your psychological and emotional struggles. I hope his Russian detox and the ridiculous meat and salt diet fixes what’s wrong with him because for all of his faults he is one of the coolest cats under pressure I have ever seen and quite obviously intelligent.

We good?

m
m
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 15, 2021 5:37 am

Thank you for a reasoned tone.

I didn’t question that people are afraid of death (or very poor health), I instead questioned the explanation attempt why that is.
If you ever closely listen to the linked lecture, Peterson demonstrates that the Existentialists didn’t ask ‘why are people afraid of death’ but went beyond, turned the question on its head and asked ‘how come there are some people that aren’t? [afraid of death]’
JBP: 18:10 “The Existentialists continuously claim -unlike the psychoanalysts- that people are psycho-pathological […] because the conditions of existence are so tragic that it’s inevitable that people become psycho-pathological. OK, so what’s the argument. Well, people are self-conscious, well that’s a big problem, we know we are going to die, we are aware of our temporal limitations, so that’s a real catastrophe […], and everyone knows they’re prone to illness of all sorts, and ageing, and so is everyone else they know […] and you fall short along pretty much any axis of comparison you wish to generate. So the Existential point of view on that is, that all of that’s enough to make the default condition of human beings psycho-pathological.”
23:42 “Maybe if you stop bullying yourself, the tragic conditions of existence would become bearable, because you would be strong enough to tolerate them” […] “that [Jung’s idea of progression towards the self] is the only optimistic hypothesis I’ve ever seen in psychology.”

And these are not Peterson’s discoveries. He only presents in condensed, digestible form the conclusions of previous outstanding thinkers. If you want to argumentatively attack Peterson, start reading Carl Jung and others and then make a fact-based argument where JBP interpreted it wrong.

And more important even, pretty much everything JBP has said or written -especially the things I didn’t know much about at the time, so I would have swallowed anything- turned out to be correct, or even “correct in the face of spoken or unspoken public opinion opposing it.”
Over 3 years listening (and often re-listening) to him, I only two times had my (very finely tuned!) bullshit meter go off, on minor points.

Yes, I trust Jordan Peterson, but still verify every single thing he says, the best I can.

From the way it sounds to me, you have made up your mind negatively on JBP (maybe he rolled over one or more of your pet theories), and then searched for arguments [against him] after the verdict.
“Overwrought”: Yeah, try to find someone who wouldn’t have become in the face of the amount of shit thrown at him. (Reminds me of the moment my preconceptions of Putin faltered, when in 2016 someone at ZH wrote in a comment regarding the over-vilification: “Putin has reacted calm and measured towards all provocations.”)
“Drug addicted”: Yes, that was shocking, but then also in a way confirming “the shoemaker’s son always goes barefoot.” But on second round thinking, it’s more a condemnation of the Western pharmacology and “health care” companies/systems than the person. I have never experienced hard addiction, so I have no clear idea how hard it is to get out of one, but he now seems to have mostly made it.
“Prone to exaggeration”: yes, he’s a speaker [mostly], so he has a point to get across. The amazing thing is his exaggerations are mostly used to torpedo existing ‘wisdom.’ But most important he never serves you a foregone conclusion, you have to look at the pieces yourself – but he gives you more pieces to look at, and viewing angles to consider.

Well to me, Peterson mostly put into words what I had known, or just sensed, to be true. Augusto Del Noce was then the one [by book], who went one or two levels deeper then JBP and single-handedly obliterated 70% of my life-long conceived ‘knowledge’ (“pet theories.”) Did DN obliterate JBP? Not really, because JBP teaches mostly the path, not a location. But without JBP I never would have been able to grasp Del Noce.

‘Perfectism’ is Augusto Del Noce’s (English translated from original Italian) term for “a belief that large-scale perfection is attainable [on earth], or the attempt to implement such” which automatically leads to totalitarianism. He uses the new word to distinguish it from perfectionism which describes the same for small-scale entities, such as a very small group of people or a single individual, where such might be achievable.

Oh I once tried, and ate only beef and drank only water for ten days, back when I had only heard about Mikhaila doing so. I lost 10 lbs in one week without ever feeling hungry, then my weight stabilized. My skin cleaned a bit, it seemed. Perfect stool.
I wouldn’t be able to stay on that food regimen forever, but if your choice seems to be that food regimen, or all kinds of very unpleasant health issues and an assortment of pills to swallow every day that don’t really fix it? I’d reconsider.

RiNS
RiNS
  m
January 14, 2021 12:01 pm

m

Don’t “there, there dear” me…

Maybe you should try and read mine

I read your post.
I listened to the lecture.

That is one moar thing done than you did.

Just sayin’

m
m
  RiNS
January 14, 2021 5:24 pm

Really.

“that [Jung’s idea of progression towards the self] is the only optimistic hypothesis I’ve ever seen in psychology.”
Truly optimistic hypothesis, because there are other such as ‘positive illusion hypothesis’ [basically life is so tragic that you have to tell yourself happy falsehoods, just so you don’t go insane… which I think is an absolute appalling philosophy, it’s the ultimate in cynicism] or ‘terror management hypothesis’ [the purpose of your belief systems is to protect you from the anxiety of death].”

So tell me, what point did I miss?

RiNS
RiNS
  m
January 14, 2021 6:14 pm

Congrats you seem to have it all figured out. Are you selling a book too!

m
m
  RiNS
January 15, 2021 4:11 am

Congrats on not being willing to have a straight argument on verifiable facts; instead side-stepping and because-I-said-so by you.

Do you want to search for and get close as possible to the truth – or just people who agree with you?

RiNS
RiNS
  m
January 15, 2021 7:43 am

Congrats you seem unwilling to see you are an expert at projection.

I’m not interested in listening to lectures from insufferable twats, who probably vote Democrat too!

m
m
  RiNS
January 15, 2021 8:42 am

Look, the tempered ad-hominem,
to try to trigger me to retaliate worse!

Well that didn’t work.

RiNS
RiNS
  m
January 15, 2021 9:35 am

Not tempered at all.

This entire engagement by you towards me was forged so that I would resort to insults. I am not playing your game. You are being a child, insufferable yes, but still a child.

I do love the italics, it suits you.

I find rather amusing that you hurl epithets, put words in Peterson’s mouth, whilst you surveil your conversations from on a Mount. Are you even listening to what Dr. Peterson said.. I would wager that he makes no warranty on you claims. Moar ridiculous yet, even now you have no idea, when it comes to his ideas, what my position is.

Instead you just piss and you moan that you know better. That you have the prescription to what that man said.

I am going to go back to my original advice given.

You said the word conclusively
when there is nothing conclusive in philosophy.

Or did that man finally find the key. If you had bothered to listen to the lecture Peterson makes mention to not be a parrot in form of someone else’s ideas. Best yes to take anything said under advisement but find your own way.

And yet here you are, using multi-syllable words as cover in a vain attempt to impress and doing exactly the opposite of what that man said.

I’ll formulate my own way through my own day, but sadly that way forward doesn’t sell lines in a book.

But do keep Passing off his words as the one’s that you have.

Each of us have been tasked with blazing our own path. Some do better, some do worse but most find their way. The world would not turn if that were not the case.

Try as I might, we can both agree, that I’m am no expert. That is perfectly clear. But in my defence and at this I’ll end.

I have gotten this far in life without the benzos, and the fear.

We Good!

m
m
  RiNS
January 15, 2021 12:22 pm

Yes, you clearly wouldn’t resort to insults.

>”you have no idea, when it comes to his ideas, what my position is.”
I asked you to bring arguments. So far I haven’t seen any.

>”there is nothing conclusive in philosophy”
Well there is a whole tiger’s tail of premises in your statement.
First of all you started in distorting my argument by saying “If you think the Peterson lecture refutes the article above conclusively”, when I wasn’t the refuting the whole article but the point of the ‘anxiety of death’ concocted explanation. Now you switch targets by implying one cannot look at ‘anxiety of death’ explanations without going full-fledge philosophical. I dispute that, see my quotes from JBP. Just because he mentions the Existentialists -arguably a philosophical movement- uttered it, doesn’t mean or imply it cannot be entirely rationality-based (nor that it isn’t.)
A rationality-based argumentation can be conclusive – but that still doesn’t make it immune to review when new, important facts appear.
(Now that I think about it, you read my comments above about perfectism and now tried to twist the words in my mouth by implying I declared perfectism by using the word conclusive. [“So you’re saying that…” for the Peterson history knowers.] Nice try!)

>”Peterson makes mention to not be a parrot in form of someone else’s ideas”
You studiously leave out the part where Peterson states “you may have a right [to use other people’s ideas]”

RiNS
RiNS
  m
January 15, 2021 9:59 pm

your entrance into this conversation was an ad-hominem and a boorish one at that…

m
m
  RiNS
January 16, 2021 4:30 am

You mean telling you that you have preconceptions distorting your view?

That was truly an unforgivable allegation. I mean no normal human has such. And now it’s dripping again off my sentences, so sorry.
(Do we need safe spaces here?)

RiNS
RiNS
  m
January 16, 2021 9:47 am

you were the one who used the word conclusively,
then you write that..

you are the hand puppet good with projection
when it comes the facts…

You wrote above that after following Dr. Peterson for a few years you were only able to find a couples of quibbles with him on your finely tuned bullshit-o-meter… Really.

That guy has/had a clinical practice where he many helped people with mental illness. I wonder if he prescribed those pills, because it appears he not have the vaguest inkling of the dangers of benzodiazepines. He had to go to Russia and Serbia to get clean. And yet still you’d follow him to ends of earth it seems.

If I was a patient of his, and he prescribed these pills, there’d be a lawsuit by now.

Because ignorance is no excuse under the colour of law.

m
m
  RiNS
January 18, 2021 9:34 am

You’re a true bullsitter.

>He had to go to Russia and Serbia to get clean.
OMG, that’s unforgivable! How can one not trust the eternal wisdom of US/Western doctors only!

>If I was a patient of his, and he prescribed these pills, there’d be a lawsuit by now.
You mean there were/are no other doctors doing such [prescribing benzos], so you can pin such a theoretical scenario entirely on him??

very old white guy
very old white guy
January 14, 2021 8:20 am

Cicero’s take on death mirrors mine.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 14, 2021 9:19 am

Thank you for you words and your time. The Lord bless you and keep you and yours.

tabernac
tabernac
  Anonymous
January 14, 2021 9:50 am

Just came out of a 24 hr power failure. I almost missed this article because of the wind.

yahright
yahright
January 14, 2021 9:37 am

Imagine the people and animals that have died in the past over many many years. Why should I be any different? The cycle of life. Personally, I liked much of what Trump did, but he wasn’t perfect. I’m over Trump. Now it’s time to put the Biden regime under a microscope and try to limit the damage it does.
If anything, just say no!

TS
TS
January 14, 2021 10:22 am

Outstanding! As always.
Much clarity and yet depths that take much pondering. You have really sparked something in me, this beautiful morning.
For me, because I was introduced to the business end of dealing death to animals at a young age, I never had a lot of concern over it. The most important part was to get it done quickly and cleanly, with no more suffering than necessary. That is one of the reasons I dislike archery stick throwing; a well-placed bullet turns the light off whereas an arrow means they are in pain as they bleed out. I always strive for a one-shot ‘drop ’em in their tracks’ result.
There were, and are, different levels of emotional connection for whatever specific killing takes place. A rat that is invading the lawn, or a mouse in the house, is about at the level of “adios, you little bastard”, up to a few tears for one of the companion animals such as a dog or horse that finally needs to be put down because the level of suffering requires such.
The harvesting aspect, as you wrote about with the sow, also has different levels of attachment. Wild game is more about the connection with the majestic, the grandeur of creation, all wrapped up with chase excitement and a sense of reverence. There is the satisfaction of filling the larder, along with a sense of the beauty of the animal and setting, mingled with the sadness of ending the life of such wild free creatures. Those we raise, such as a beef steer, also invoke a sadness because we have chosen them as a sort of sacrifice when they were young, and have taken care to nurture and develop them, all the while knowing that one day we would kill them. Emotional attachment at some level is impossible to avoid.
There is, however, never ever joy in the death. It is just something that needs done.
Human death, especially considering my Christian world-view, is a whole ‘nother matter. Because of the belief of the Divine spark in the human existence, death is an extremely serious matter, and has severe eternal ramifications. We are the only creatures that consider death before it is upon us, the rest only realize it at its approach.
I sat and thought for quite awhile about which quote to use, and finally settled on these two –

C. S. Lewis;
Miracles – (Death) is a safety-device because, once Man has fallen, natural immortality would be the one utterly hopeless destiny for him.

Letters to Children – People do find it hard to keep on feeling as if you believed in the next life; but then it is just as hard to keep on feeling as if you believed you were going to be nothing after death. I know this because in the old days before I was a Christian I used to try.

Leonardo da Vinci;
As a well spent day brings happy sleep, so life well used brings happy death.

TS
TS
  TS
January 14, 2021 10:38 am

There seems to be a real problem trying to edit lately. I tried to change two to three, but it will not take after several tries. I noticed that on one of my comments yesterday, also.

Stucky
Stucky
  TS
January 14, 2021 11:35 am

“There seems to be a real problem trying to edit lately.”

Same here. Haven’t been able to edit for the last couple of days.

It SEEMS to work. You click on edit, make changes, save it, and looks like your change was successful. But, then exit that thread, and then click on it again …. NO CHANGE.

OK … time to get Admin’s attention. Let’s see if this works. 🙂

************ ATTENTION ADMIN !! ******

***** THE EDIT BUTTON AIN’T WORKING RIGHT *****

The Man With No Name
The Man With No Name
Admin
  Stucky
January 14, 2021 11:52 am

try again now.

TS
TS
  The Man With No Name
January 14, 2021 12:25 pm

You da man! Literally.

Stucky
Stucky
  The Man With No Name
January 14, 2021 7:02 pm

“try again now.”

OK. I love Joe and the Ho.
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Edited to add: The above comment is a LIE!!

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2nd Edit: EDIT BUTTON WORKS AGAIN! Yup, you ARE Da Man!!

RiNS
RiNS
  Stucky
January 14, 2021 12:06 pm

We should all aspire to get it done right the first time like my buddy m above!
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He’s amazing!

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 14, 2021 10:36 am

Excellent essay and yes I’ll take Pascal’s wager from a logical standpoint. But that is not to say I understand why we are here; you know, the problem of pain and all.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Anonymous
January 14, 2021 11:00 am

“to have faith is precisely to lose one’s mind so as to win God.”

― Søren Kierkegaard

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 14, 2021 11:15 am

no shortage of losing my mind (lol), so perhaps faith is within reach! Cheers

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Anonymous
January 14, 2021 12:03 pm

You’re not alone.

I believe the thrust of his comment was that as desperately as he wanted to convince himself of the existence of God using his powers of reason, he could not, but the cost of not having God in his life was not worth the price of having it confirmed via logic. Thus he took what he called “a leap of faith”.

Smart guy.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 14, 2021 1:46 pm

agree!

theOtherDan
theOtherDan
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 14, 2021 6:31 pm

substance of things -hoped for-

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
January 14, 2021 12:45 pm

When Immortality Projects collide.

Remember this: fellow countrymen, same language, history, culture, faith, and customs. They believed in the same God, in the divinity of Christ, and the Holy Spirit. The only difference was who they saw as their rightful head of state. They were all in their shared capitol celebrating a political event- in this case the marriage of Margot Valois and Henry III- when their competing Projects erupted into mass murder that may have claimed as many as 70,000 lives.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 15, 2021 9:58 am

History repeats . In this country most do not believe in the same God, the divinity of Christ or the Holy spirit.

“I am sure that never was a people, who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs, than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency, which was so often manifested during our Revolution, or that they failed to consider the omnipotence of that God who is alone able to protect them.”

“I earnestly pray that the Omnipotent Being who has not deserted the cause of America in the hour of its extremist hazard, will never yield so fair a heritage of freedom a prey to “Anarchy” or “Despotism”.”

George Washington

I fear a French Revolution coming to America…. but, let us not fear our death. Stand tall TBPers. See you in NH on July 4.
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ILuvCO2

Montefrío
Montefrío
January 14, 2021 1:06 pm

IMOH, your best essay in all the time you’ve been here. Stoicism is Zen without transcendence, sez I, a very long time student of both. “God” (triune or otherwise) is as you know not a feature of the philosophy and Zen is openly atheistic, but not without a faith in transcendence, a faith instilled by experience, repeated experience in deep meditation. I could go on and on, but I won’t. Kudos on a thoughtful and provacative essay.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Montefrío
January 14, 2021 1:19 pm

Thank you, I hold your opinion in very high regard and appreciate the encouragement.

The Socratic paradox has finally begun to make sense to me. I only regret that it took me so long to understand what he meant.

Montefrío
Montefrío
  Hardscrabble Farmer
January 14, 2021 2:00 pm

You’re more than welcome and thank you for the compliment. You and I share great respect for the classics and I admire your efforts at promoting them. For my money, Stoicim is the apex of Western thought and MA’s Meditations has been on my night table for many years, read and reread frequently. To me, MA was not a thiest and I can’t help but reject the belief in an
“anthropomorphic “God” and His alleged appearance on Earth as the “Second Person” of a Divinity.Yes, I may well be wrong, but in all good conscience, I cannot believe otherwise. What’s more, I honestly believe that at this stage of the game for us pale-skinned folk, Christianity is an impediment rather than a positive asset. Hopefully I’m wrong, but for some 60 years now, I’ve not been able to shed this belief.

You’re a bright guy. Please check out Zen if you haven’t already. You live a Zen life: get with the program (Bodhidharma, Huang Po, Han Shan, Hui Neng)! Fear of eternal retribution is absent from this philosophy. In other words, here on the earthly plane, a bit of get ready to rumble ain’t no sin nohow.

Stucky
Stucky
  Montefrío
January 14, 2021 2:14 pm

” … for us pale-skinned folk, Christianity is an impediment rather than a positive asset. “

Niiiice.

I guess we should all just switch to Bodhidharma, Huang Po, Han Shan, and Hui Neng — (which sounds like some Chink law firm).

Montefrío
Montefrío
  Stucky
January 14, 2021 6:09 pm

Try ’em, you’ll like ’em!

Stucky
Stucky
  Montefrío
January 14, 2021 7:14 pm

Hmmmm, I’ll think about it. Really.

Having read some of his books, I do like the Dalai Lama.

subwo
subwo
  Montefrío
January 14, 2021 3:46 pm

After my son’s confirmation (and mine too as a shake and bake Catholic), I asked him if he would continue going to mass. His reply was “No, it is just one way of man controlling man”

Jaz
Jaz
January 14, 2021 3:18 pm

It’s a great topic to be discussing here and now.

What I’m dismayed by is all the people taking a stance against the Q theory. There is just as much evidence that the Q theory is possible and likely as there is of “God” fixing everything. The Bible is so misconstrued, misinterpreted and changed over the years; yet rational people keep on believing what they want to believe.

I don’t know if Q is real or not and if anything will happen. I am willing to wait a week or so to pass judgement.
It is a high probability that Trump has served his ‘purpose’ up to this point. The rest is up to society to awaken and deal with the traitors.
Trump may have more effect as a private citizen or even a martyr at some point.

Too many people won’t think outside of one or two possibilities.
There are 50 shades of gray in every scenario.
Keeping a positive (not naive) outlook is critical
Be a spectator who is not attached to the outcome.
Create the reality you want to see on an individual level and let that grow into the masses.

Undiapered in VA ILuvCO2
Undiapered in VA ILuvCO2
  Jaz
January 14, 2021 9:03 pm

Stop with the Q shit. Just . Stop. It. It is over.

diaperless in va iluvco2
diaperless in va iluvco2
  Undiapered in VA ILuvCO2
January 14, 2021 9:07 pm

And everything is better with bacon and butter!

Pagan Truth Seeker
Pagan Truth Seeker
  diaperless in va iluvco2
January 14, 2021 11:09 pm

…everthing’s better when wet..

Llpoh
Llpoh
January 14, 2021 4:28 pm

HSF – glad to see you write. Very nicely done.

My major takeaway from this fine piece – stay out of trees with chainsaws. Or just stay out of trees.

I am a simple man. Much easier for me to understand that lesson, than get my head around Cicero.

Thanks very much.

Stucky
Stucky
  Llpoh
January 14, 2021 4:31 pm

After reading about the death of his 500 pound sow, well, I felt guilty this morning eating my bacon.

Hardscrabble Farmer
Hardscrabble Farmer
  Stucky
January 14, 2021 5:04 pm

No you didn’t.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Stucky
January 14, 2021 6:29 pm

Had roast pork last night. Yummm.
Pigs are evidence of a divine being. Bacon. Ribs. Pulled. Belly. Jowls. Ham. Hocks and speck. Ears for my dogs. Roast loin. What a perfect creation.

TS
TS
  Llpoh
January 14, 2021 7:32 pm

Smoked pork chops cut off of a whole smoked loin for me tonight. Had absolutely delicious ham this morning. Praise the Lord and pass the jalapeno mint jelly.

Unreconstructed
Unreconstructed
  Llpoh
January 14, 2021 10:55 pm

My grandparents ate everything but the oink.

OHMama
OHMama
  Llpoh
January 15, 2021 7:21 pm

Exactly. The entire Middle East war mess, in my opinion, is because both parties won’t eat pork due to their religious beliefs. Acute bacon deficiency is enough to make anyone ornery and itching for a fight. Sit ’em down at a big table with unlimited bacon, ham, sausage and BBQ and they’d be best buddies at total peace before the meal was over 🙂

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 14, 2021 10:45 pm

What a truly great article.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
January 15, 2021 9:03 am

HSF,

The timeliness of this article for me is so appropriate. As I sit and literally watch my fathers time on this earth slowly dwindle and fade I have contemplated his and my own physical mortality. I have faith in the presence of a life beyond for our spirit as promised by Our Lord in his word and gift to mankind. The best thing one can do is to live life each day as if you are dying because we are all going to die, where and when only God knows. To live this way truly I believe leaves no room for regrets and wishes to have a do over because you did something wrong or wish you had done something differently. Those regrets are what folks truly fear. I’ve posted this before, not very long ago but it again seems very appropriate

“Live Your Life”

So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion;
respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.

Love your life,
perfect your life,
beautify all things in your life.

Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend,
even a stranger, when in a lonely place.

Show respect to all people and grovel to none.

When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living.
If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.
Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.

When it comes your time to die,
be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death,
so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way.

Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.

-Tecumseh, Shawnee Chief

Thanks for a great article!

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  Cow Doctor
January 15, 2021 9:21 am
Ghost
Ghost
  Cow Doctor
January 15, 2021 9:23 am

Since we are all a bunch of loose cows now, do you make house calls?

Stucky
Stucky
  Cow Doctor
January 15, 2021 10:20 am

“The best thing one can do is to live life each day as if you are dying because we are all going to die, where and when only God knows.

Wonderfully stated, doc!!

Ms. Freud had a small plaque next to the outside back door. She would read it every morning before heading out the door. It defined her life … it is how she lived. It was there before I met her. It is now next to my outside back door, in her honor. It’s just a very simple little thing …

“Dance as if no one were watching
Sing as if no one were listening
Live every day as if it were your last.”

I wish I could do that consistently. I fail at it more often then not. But,I ain’t giving up. Ms Freud would be angry with me if I did.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  Stucky
January 15, 2021 12:17 pm

You are a good man Stuck. I am truly blessed with such a wonderful wife as you had, and will try to remember that each day until we part, consistently. God Bless.

OHMama
OHMama
  Cow Doctor
January 15, 2021 7:17 pm

What a beautiful statement by Tecumseh. thank you for sharing it.

Prayers for you and your Dad as you go through this together.

Cow Doctor
Cow Doctor
  OHMama
January 15, 2021 7:59 pm

Thanks!

BrokeHippe
BrokeHippe
January 16, 2021 2:25 pm

Having read this Site for many years I wish to take the time to say Thank You Hardscrabble Framer…your Articulate message couldn’t come at a better time for me…and am sure many others…
Your truth am sure inspires so many and it is why I come back to your site time n time again…From the bottom of my heart Thank You again for your many words of wisdom and to the many Do you other contributors to this website thank you also!!!
I believe I’m a patriot I love America God bless all of you and America….let’s hold the line together and watch the show enjoy some popcorn…it’s is time!!
Amen