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Can anyone recommend a free VPN that requires minimal registration information?

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Stucky
Stucky
January 29, 2021 1:31 pm
falconflight
falconflight
  Stucky
January 29, 2021 7:29 pm

Maybe so, but make em work for it. Eat up resources. VPNs with an Onion (TOR) overlay will attract ‘their’ attention and lead them to nada. Eff the Stasi-State is my motto. Just like my big bold lettered bumperstickers proclaim: Police State USA! USA! USA! Thinking about purchasing one w/: ThoughtCriminal and Arrest Me.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
January 29, 2021 1:46 pm

This is above my knowledge, but I know Denninger has written extensively about some vulnerabilities. Problem is I don’t understand what he’s talking about https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=233545 I get the feeling that it’s a lot more complicated than just using a VPN and using proton mail – although maybe some protection is better than none.

jj432
jj432
  Iska Waran
January 29, 2021 5:53 pm

The way to look at it is like locking your car or luggage. You are not going to stop the determined adversary with unlimited budget, infrastructure, and expertise. But what you *can* do is make yourself a little less visible and make it enough of a hassle to exploit you that you start peeling off the less-determined adversaries.

So, why do you lock your car or your front door? In order to make it impossible to break in? Of course not. You do it to stop the guy who just wanders through the parking lot or neighborhood casually jiggling door handles looking for low hanging fruit. If you lock your door, and the car next to you doesn’t, he’ll steal from that car and move on — leaving you alone. The next guy up the chain, with the hammer, won’t be stopped. So you add an alarm and maybe one of those bar things you put on the steering wheel. That won’t stop some folk, but it will stop a few more. And then you get a car with one of those fancy electronic keys, which will stop even more.

The same thing is true here. You can do trivial things that will stop script kiddies. You can do a little more to stop people who pick up exploits from hacker sites. You can do a little more to stop folk who can do more directed attacks. You can do a little more to stop people who do social engineering attacks.

None of this will stop some sooper tech group with a zero day exploit. But it *will* make you safer in the general sense.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
January 30, 2021 7:04 pm

Last Wednesday some weird crap was going on with microsoft. Got a feeling I needed to switch to a encrypted email. So I did . Been running all my internet through a VPN for a month now and although it is a little slower. It does work for me. Almost Daily now I see missing bloggers and sites crushed and disappear. Not good. Take care guys, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
January 29, 2021 1:50 pm

If they come for me, I’m just going to go Gene Hackman on the fuckers.

Tony
Tony
  Iska Waran
January 30, 2021 9:57 am

Nasty Pelousy did say we were “Enemies of the State” after all.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 29, 2021 1:57 pm

I’ve heard that surfshark is pretty good, although I’m not a customer. I am looking into it however.

bill
bill
January 29, 2021 2:01 pm

Opera browser

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  bill
January 29, 2021 3:41 pm

Second that, at least for consumer grade.
Free Opera browser has built-in VPN functionality (and servers to use for that.)

Cannot say how safe it is.
But I used it once to test if my internet provider was shadow-throttling a website I tried to download from – and it proved yes they were!

anthony aaron
anthony aaron
  bill
January 29, 2021 7:10 pm

AFAIK, opera is based upon google’s browser … wouldn’t trust anything with google DNA for love or money …

Just my 2¢ 

falconflight
falconflight
  bill
January 29, 2021 7:32 pm

No Brave browser. BTW Opera’s VPN, a free service atomizes your data…but still sells it. A Chinese connection.

falconflight
falconflight
  falconflight
January 29, 2021 8:16 pm

Brave Browser is considered the most security oriented.

Hans
Hans
  falconflight
January 30, 2021 7:25 am

You get what you pay for. If you think you’re going to get anything worthwhile for “free”, I’d be leery. I’ve been using Cyberghost for years. It’s relatively inexpensive and they do not log any type users’ activity. They are always rated at the very top for online anonymity.

Be Prepared
Be Prepared
January 29, 2021 2:03 pm

The issue of getting a VPN gets a little more complicated than just whether it’s free, but you also need to consider the following factors:

(1) Where are the VPN servers located (which country) and what laws govern what information may be seized or requested by local or international authorities.
(2) Does the VPN keep logs? Depending on the type of server and software, a VPN may keep log files of the originating IP and the destination addresses. The log file retention can vary from 24 hours, X Days or forever.
(3) Are there data caps? Some VPNs will switch off if you reach your data cap… exposing your IP without you really knowing it.
(4) What type of encryption are they using? PPTP, OpenVPN, etc. Different protocols may leak your data.
(5) Stability of Connection Handshake or Tunnel. If your connection is lost every five minutes and/or defaults to exposing your IP, then value equals zero.

If you think you need a VPN, then you shouldn’t mess with a free one because they have to make money somehow and it’s most likely not to your advantage. If you need to periodically mask your searches, then use a proxy and dns encryption. But if you want security, real security, then you most likely will need to pay for it, unfortunately. IMO YMMV.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Be Prepared
January 29, 2021 3:26 pm

I would add 6. How many servers do they have (along with the above mention of country’s they are in), 7. Have a “kill switch” built in (that eliminates the issues of #5 above), and 8. Do they have a “warrant canary” setup.

Machinist
Machinist
January 29, 2021 2:47 pm

‘Virtual’ being the key word, so virtually there are none.

Doc
Doc
  Machinist
January 30, 2021 12:38 am

“Virtual’ in this case refers to the fact that there is no ‘actual’ direct wire connection to the closed network. Tunneling refers to the encryption of the data at one end and decryption takes place at the other. What makes a VPN ‘secure’ is the encryption algorithm being used. My cryptography professor in grad school (who used to work for the NSA as a PhD mathematician) said not to trust AES which is the US Government approved algorithm used essentially by everyone in the US.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
January 29, 2021 3:32 pm

If it is free, you are getting what you pay for. You and your data are the product that will be marketed.

MistaShapeShifta
MistaShapeShifta
January 29, 2021 3:34 pm

OK, I came here for Friday Fail but ended up here some how. Since I just switched VPN and I researched this, I can tell you a few things. The VPN provider I ended up with was ProtonVPN. It is a Swiss email company that recently got into the VPN business. I already had email from them, and it has excellent security features. They have a package deal. They don’t keep logs. Apparently they have no ‘Back doors’ because if you store stuff on their servers and you lose your password it is gone forever. They comply with German privacy laws, which as far as I know is the gold standard.

They have lots of servers in lots of countries. Throughput has been fine for YouTube videos, but I have not tried any full length movies and probably won’t. Movies mostly suck now anyway.

ProtonVPN has a free version!!! with limitations on the servers you can use. The paid version was something close to a hundred bucks a year for the level I got with the email. I thought the setup was easy, way better than some services I have used. They also allow you to chain servers, and have a direct link to TOR. You can use TOR without a VPN but the performance isn’t so great in my experience.

BTW, having a a VPN is only part of the solution. Other tracking methods involve cookies, and nowdays browser identification. Your browser typically sends so much crap to every web page that your setup is as good as a finger print. The big trackers are Google, FaceBook, Twitter and Amazon. They use AI to link your browser to you and your political beliefs. A good approach is to have a browser set up for those services only, and load lots of liberal crap from there. This will confuse the AI. To get at the real content you like, on a different machine use privacy mode, a different browser, fingerprint blocking, VPN, and kill your cookies a lot. On that machine do not go to those services if you can help it. Best may be to get off those evil services.

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  MistaShapeShifta
January 29, 2021 3:48 pm

I cannot refute or disprove anything you wrote, but keep in mind:

“Crypto AG” domiciled in Switzerland sold crypto devices with backdoors to banks and others for decades, and turned out to be a front of the CIA or NSA. While the Swiss government (at least officially) didn’t support those shenanigans, you should also look at it from the viewpoint of ‘if it falls into that government’s hand, will they sell it to the NSA, or not?’

I cannot offer a solution though.
So… does anybody know a good Russian VPN provider, which can be subscribed and paid from a Western country?

Edit:
Generally I would consider it foolish, to go through a VPN provider into TOR.
That defeats the whole TOR concept, on your end.

MistaShapeShifta
MistaShapeShifta
  m
January 29, 2021 4:09 pm

Well, nothing is absolutely safe in the digital world. I sometimes think about how easy it would be for an alphabet agency to take over an open source project, then distribute tainted software. Its true that source can be inspected, but usually executables are downloaded and installed. They could have all sorts of evil in them.

TOR itself was a US Navy intelligence project, so that is suspicious.

I think the safest OS I ever saw was Cubes OS. Highly compartmentalized with temporary virtual machines. But a pain in the ass to use.

For me it is a matter of picking the appropriate level of security (and inconvenience) for what ever you are trying to protect yourself from. If you are a presidents son, apparently low levels are required. Staying out of the sights of the FaceBook brigade of the secret police takes a higher level. Criminal activity higher still.

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  MistaShapeShifta
January 29, 2021 4:22 pm

No question one can never completely trust TOR, or any software.

But for TOR one needs to say that no case has come to light were a criminal using TOR was uncovered without him doing stupid things outside of TOR.
Which is no proof in itself, but together with the fact that poisoning/destroying TOR by using a [possible] backdoor just to uncover some small fry would be also stupid, it tells me if you don’t make yourself too big of a juicy target you’re probably safe in TOR.
Local opsec on your computer and in your home is probably a much bigger concern.

falconflight
falconflight
  m
January 29, 2021 9:59 pm

Russian VPN? Well if you want to draw a distinct interest from our stasi-state apparatus.

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  falconflight
January 30, 2021 5:06 am

But using any VPN provider doesn’t do so?

falconflight
falconflight
  MistaShapeShifta
January 29, 2021 7:46 pm

Brave browser actually claims to add randomized fingerprinting attributes throwing off tracking. I’ve checked it against the CoverYourTracks.com test and seems to help.

falconflight
falconflight
  MistaShapeShifta
January 29, 2021 7:47 pm

Don’t forget to try out PrivacyBadger (EFF tool) or some other cookie/tracker blocker. “HTTPS always” and Do Not Track browser settings also assist.

falconflight
falconflight
  MistaShapeShifta
January 29, 2021 8:18 pm

Proton VPN $48 for a annual subscription…two users. They have a tiered series of subscriptions with a increasing price schedule.

jj432
jj432
January 29, 2021 5:44 pm

I use mullvad. Protonmail VPN also has a decent reputation afaik. As with everything, the fact that i, or any one person, don’t know about some backdoor issue doesn’t ensure that there isn’t one. Mullvad has the advantage that you can buy it anonymously and pay with bitcoin. I *think* you can do the same with protonmail. Finally, there has been some criticism of Tor as not being perfect. It isn’t. But… if you look at what folk have had to do to get people who use the onion network for stuff, *almost* all of the compromises were social engineering failures, not technical ones. If some three letter agency is at the point where they are installing gateway servers on the onion network in order to watch traffic to find you, it’s pretty much over for you anyway. By that time they will have done a zillion other things to you already.

I had a friend whose first job was as a contractor with a big beltway company. He was hired to break into people’s homes at night and secretly install keyloggers on home computers — all with propers subpoenas, etc., and all legal. At that point it doesn’t matter whether you use a vpn or not. He did that for about 18 months before moving up.

Two if by sea. Three if from within thee.
Two if by sea. Three if from within thee.
  jj432
January 29, 2021 7:02 pm

Get that man’s story!!!

Rev6
Rev6
January 29, 2021 5:54 pm

I was recommended to protonmail

Rise Up
Rise Up
January 29, 2021 7:26 pm

“There is no free lunch.”

I’m currently using Brave browser…yeah, yeah, it uses the Chrome v88 engine, but there is a TOR option built in that will random your IP address like a VPN does. Another good thing about Brave is that it’s faster than Chrome and Firefox, plus it has ad blocking included. I used to use an ad blocker extension on Firefox for YouTube but the one with Brave is even better.

I also have Express VPN who claim to not save logs. You are allowed to put it on several devices with a single subscription, so I have it on my Android phone, even though I’ve shut off location services and all other Google apps and don’t use the browser either. So I really don’t even need it there.

But nothing is totally secure on the interwebs.

falconflight
falconflight
January 29, 2021 7:27 pm

Proton.com
Swiss company, not a part of the 14 Eyes/confederates.

I’ve used PrivateInternetAccess.com and although it is based in the USsA, their no logs claim is bore out by gov’t demands/subpoenas for access. Nord is another one, based in Panama. I recently attempted to purchase Proton’s VPN, but blocked by my Visa company since the purchase was outside the US. Had to request ‘permission’ for the purchase, but it still never completed the transaction. Need to purchase an Int’l visa debit card, or learn the BitCoin thingy, or mail a check.

falconflight
falconflight
January 29, 2021 7:34 pm

Go to: https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/

A Project of the Electronic Frontier Foundation

See how ‘safe’ you are for starters.

falconflight
falconflight
January 29, 2021 7:38 pm

Brave browser, Proton mail, and a true no logging VPN. Here is a very detailed listing of VPNs:

https://www.safetydetectives.com/best-vpns/

falconflight
falconflight
January 29, 2021 7:41 pm

Four comments booted on this thread. Is it my free Proton VPN connection. I was using a US server. Come on…

falconflight
falconflight
  falconflight
January 29, 2021 7:42 pm

Now they’ve reappeared. Crazy

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  falconflight
January 30, 2021 5:15 am

Well how do you think exactly the spam protection, or disallowing you to re-upvote the same comment 100 times, work on this site?

falconflight
falconflight
January 29, 2021 7:50 pm

92% of Murikans still use Gaggle as a search engine. Pathetic to put it mildly. An easy resistance action. Do No Evil, and stop using it. Use Duck Duck Go.

noooooname
noooooname
January 29, 2021 11:20 pm

1. Free Protonvpn + TOR
2. Free Whonix
3. Free Qubes