Llpoh’s article on “Narratives reminded me of recently being sent the above meme by a progressive male Caucasian acquaintance.
I believe I’ve seen it before and was thinking Stucky may have posted something similar here on TBP in the past?
Regardless, this meme’s presentation may hold the key to understanding the liberal’s embrace of Marxism, globalism, social justice, and the progressive hatred for all things MAGA. At the same time, it is difficult to refute at face value.
So what would be the most effective, and pithy, way to unwind this theological knot?
Any takers?
Asking for a friend.
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Well, the descriptions under “Colonizer Jesus” are mostly complete constructions. That picture is obviously created to pander to today’s ‘race’ memes of the woke. The mind first sees the unfavorable descriptions under Jesus on the left side and is thus pre-programmed to accept whatever is printed on the right as “true” and “better.” We should seek the real Jesus, not anyone’s construction.
Agreed and, IMHO, any comparisons drawn on Him and an attempt to put Him in a box should not even take place. Why? Because by and large, it would be inaccurate. I guess I’m saying I wouldn’t touch it with a 10′ pole.
Brewer writes:
My progressive acquaintance says he’s Christian but intersperses the JC & GD phrases quite often in his profanity. He says he’ll do one thing but does another. He’s also quite lackadaisical. So,in the course of our telephonic conversation, I asked him how he squared concept of discipline with the Christian’s application of the word “disciple”. Naturally, he took offense. Then I received the meme shown at the top of this thread (because I think he believes I was a Trump supporter).
Anyway, I just told him it was “thought-provoking” and left it at that.
It would have been VERY interesting if this had been a 2-part piece. Shown each Jesus type separately and asked to unpack it them could have led to some veddy intelesting ansas.
Glock,
I believe some of the comparison & contrast has to do with the connotation of the words used.
Also, on both sides, some of the bullet points are each true.
For example, one could find Bible verses showing that Jesus died for your sins and was also killed by the church and state. The Bible would also say that he was both silent in the face of oppression and set free the oppressed – and that he was a king and a homeless refugee simultaneously (because his kingdom was not of this world).
The meme is an interesting puzzle and I almost have it figured out to my satisfaction, but not quite.
The comments on this thread are helping though.
Getting closer…
Remind your acquaintance that there’s no commandment against cursing, but is one about taking the Lord’s name in vain. We were also taught to pray “hallowed be thy name.” He’d be wise to ponder these two points and act accordingly.
There are many Bible verses that reference cussing and cursing. This page has a compilation of them.
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Cursing
Oh? Hurting someone else (this includes saying hurtful things) is acceptable ?
Is it hurtful to tell a fool he’s a fool? Some of the parables contain descriptors that are less than complementary. Also,
Rich man Dives / He lived so well
(stick your finger in the water come and
cool my tongue
cause I’m tormented in the flame)
And when he died he went straight to hell
(stick your finger in the water come and
cool my tongue
cause I’m tormented in the flame)
Faced with THAT, what are hurtful words? If they kept you from eternal torment, could the most malicious, vicious, scurrilous words be considered “hurtful”?
Not really a religious scholar, but a free speech advocate in all areas. If you tell a soothing lie (“it’s just a shower to kill body lice, don’t worry about it”) have you done the recipient any favors?
Where is the cursing that you are trying legitimize?
Whatever Jesus was or wasn’t, and whatever he ACTUALLY said/taught, etc. or didn’t, the gospels were written by many folks who were NOT him. They were written in one language and were translated into many others, with individual interpretations and translations playing a role at every stage (and anyone who has translated one language into another knows how radically meanings can change. Most of the gospels written are NOT a part of what is called the “New Testament,” and political groups from the Roman Empire, the Catholic Church and certainly thousands of others have put their own “spin” on the words. For much of history, absolute control of the text was in the hands of the Catholic Church and their monks/scribes, who painstakingly copied what they were given, and/or as they were told. The Vatican sits on one of the world’s largest collections of ancient texts, some of which may completely dispute everything in the current New Testament or add significantly to the teachings Jesus wished shared. There might even be written teachings of Jesus himself that just don’t play well “politically” and thus have been hidden away. We likely will never know what has been kept hidden, nor know exactly what was said or intended by Jesus truly.
That being said, Jesus is said to have lived in the middle east and was of Jewish heritage. That would certainly make his skin likely darker than the average northern european. If his teachings are an accurate reflection of what he actually said/did, it seems that love, forgiveness, peaceful behavior, submission to the divine (as opposed to government), and other similar behaviors would be far more consistent than concepts like empire-building, vengence, and the like.
But much like every religion has been the tool of the political class as a means of division and obedience, this side-by-side comparison seems to have been created to achieve a similar goal.
See, like this comment here … only point it consciously took home was the skin color. The other points have been unconsciously planted as valid in their head.
There is a lot of truth in your response.
This will sound like a cop out to some on this forum that do not hold to a Christian world view but for me personally, the Lord knew that the bible would be around until His return. IMHO, I don’t believe the God of the universe would allow heresy to be placed in the books of the bible. Written by man and translated, yes, absolutely. Inspired and Holy breathed, yes, this I also believe to be so. The rest I will take on Faith. I try to keep it simple with the “Big Guy” anyway. I’ll leave the bickering and picking apart scripture to those smarter, and not smarter, than I am.
Perhaps when I meet Jesus he can tell me if I got any of this right!
Well Said.
Great comment, Brewer. I, too, believe the Holy Bible was written people who were inspired by the Spirit. Yes, it has been translated from many different languages and much of its contents were “guided” from the Vatican, but the primary message is one of peace and an offer of salvation. The only cost for this salvation is the belief in Jesus as the one true Son of The great I Am.
Faith is the key
B55…
“Inspired and Holy breathed, yes, this I also believe to be so. The rest I will take on Faith.”
Word up!
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All of that crap about the gospels being written centuries later and even the “Johannine Community” theory was promulgated in the 19th century by liberal American Protestants of the type who morphed into the Jesus Seminar types – the Bart Ehrmans and Elaine Pagels. Their scholarship is shit.
You lying sack-o-shit. Neither Ehrmann and nor Pagel claim the Gospels were written centuries later.
My comments do not even mention time between his death and the writing of the gospels. Unless they wrote what they wrote and then Jesus reviewed it for accuracy, there is an interpretation/memory component. No recording equipment at the time other than “pen” and “paper.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_seven_ecumenical_councils
There have been many iterations of established “Christianity”.
Just Sayin’
Not a direct answer, but someone said: “Truth is only visible to those who are able to question everything that they have been taught to believe”.
TheAssegai wrote:
Llpoh’s article addressed how narratives play in the heads of those all across the political spectrum.
And, I believe, the meme at the top of this thread is a fine example of misconceptions within the minds of neocon warmongers and leftist agitators alike.
Now consider how both Trump and Biden agree on the efficacy of Covid vaccines.
So, it seems, tall tales can bind together or break apart.
I could have posted my above inquiry in the commentary of Llpoh’s article but did not want to hijack that thread.
In any event, perhaps the road is, indeed, narrow: between Old Testament wrath and New Testament grace.
Or something like that. And questions are important, indeed, because it’s a fine line and the devil is in the details
What a fancy schmancy load of crock.
You submitted this article just to stir some shit, and you know it. You’re turning into me, and that scares the bejeebus out of you.
Lol. Maybe you’re right, Stuck.
I don’t know.
But I will say there’s something about that meme that bugs me and I can’t quite put my finger on it. Something simple. I think.
Yes, something simple like a lie.
Jesus looks very feminized on the left.
[Now consider how both Trump and Biden agree on the efficacy of Covid vaccines.
So, it seems, tall tales can bind together or break apart.]
OR….ordo ab chao is right –the freemasons have a plan (no offense to Herr Templar)
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <—–=== THE PLAN
"Of circling centuries begins anew: Justice returns, returns old Saturn's reign, With a new breed of men sent down from heaven. Only do thou, at the boy's birth in whom The iron shall cease, the golden race arise, Befriend him, chaste Lucina; 'tis thine own Apollo reigns."
I've got a few questions….
How do you reconcile the Greek archons/kosmokrators?
How do you reconcile the Hebrew term bene ha elohim?
Have you ever looked into the etymological ?
Lastly, how do you reconcile the 'myths' of giants/nephilim?
Have you got an opinion on million pound stones, obelisks, pyramids, or any of the ancient wonders to be found around the world? and who built them?
An opinion on the reason for Noah's flood?
This could be a post all by itself as you placed a lot in your comment to unpack.
I’ll just touch on the nephalim and Noah (the flood).
It is my understanding that the bloodline from Adam to the time of the flood was corrupted with the seed of the fallen angels who mingled with human women whose offspring were the nephalim (giants). Read Genesis 6. To purify the bloodline, God sent the flood to destroy everything outside of Noah and his family. It is believed in some circles that the same type of corruption is happening present day with gene manipulation like CRISPR.
It’s getting late and I’m tired so, I’ll leave it there for now.
Mornin, Brewer55….
“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,…..” Gen. 6:4
” It is believed in some circles that the same type of corruption is happening present day with gene manipulation like CRISPR”
“And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.” Luke 17:26
“And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” Gen. 3:15
‘the seed of Satan’ and ‘the seed of the woman’…. ??
The protoevangelium……a foreshadowing of Jesus Christ.
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <<—-==== they have a plan….God has a better one!
Yep. And good morning to you also.
I have found that Graham Hancock’s books, such as ‘Fingerprints Of The Gods’ and Robert Bauval’s ‘The Orion Mystery’, are fascinating as they challenge the typical civilization time frame and advanced people that lived prior to today.
TheAssegai….
’bout all I can do is to copy paste…comp. is too slow/erratic again this a.m.
“For those who may not know, the US Capitol building in Washington, DC, is historically based on a pagan Masonic temple theme. Thomas Jefferson, who shepherded the anti-Christian “Roman Pantheon” design, wrote to the Capitol’s architect, Benjamin LaTrobe, defining it as “the first temple dedicated to…embellishing with Athenian taste the course of a nation looking far beyond the range of Athenian destinies”[i] (the “Athenian” empire was first known as “Osiria,” the kingdom of Osiris). In 1833, Massachusetts Representative Rufus Choate agreed, writing, “We have built no national temples but the Capitol.”[ii] William Henry and Mark Gray, in their book, Freedom’s Gate: Lost Symbols in the U.S. Capitol, add that, “The U.S. Capitol has numerous architectural and other features that unquestionably identify it with ancient temples.”[iii] After listing various features to make their case that the US Capitol building is a “religious temple”—including housing the image of a deified being, heavenly beings, gods, symbols, inscriptions, sacred geometry, columns, prayers, and orientation to the sun—they conclude:
The designers of the city of Washington DC oriented it to the Sun—especially the rising Sun on June 21 and December 21 [the same day and month as the end of the Mayan calendar in 2012]. The measurements for this orientation were made from the location of the center of the Dome of the U.S. Capitol, rendering it a “solar temple.” Its alignment and encoded numerology point to the Sun as well as the stars. A golden circle on the Rotunda story and a white star in the Crypt marks this spot.… It is clear that the builders viewed the Capitol as America’s sole temple: a solemn…Solar Temple to be exact.[iv]”
https://www.skywatchtv.com/2021/04/20/part31/
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I should say that I haven't followed Hancock much at all. My 'axis mundi' is Jesus Christ. God the Father is the first Person of the Trinity, His Son Jesus Christ is the second Person of the Trinity, and the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity. And, many years ago, through a numerous list of 'coinky dinks', I was led to find this Tom Horn, first at raidersnewsupdate.com, and then have followed nearly all of his work thru his newer website at skywatch….
Thanks ordo. I was not familiar with Horn until reading the linked article and viewing the embeded video, I am going to look into his books. Hancock and Bauval come from a less ‘religious’ perspective than what Horn appears to do. I did learn many things that I did not know. Many things have dual meaning from the occult/free-mason perspective, such as:
E pluribus unum. From their perspective it is out of many gods to one (Osiris / Apollo / Nimrod)
Capitol dome is a stargate portal through with Washington passed and through which all other presidents pass to join Washington. This is why they lay in state in the dome.
Inauguration means gaining approval of jupiter.
Below the capitol rotunda is the US National Crypt. The tomb is empty, Washington’s body is not there, but it is a parallel of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
The eagle is the symbol of jupiter.
There is a testicular part to the Washington obelisk (phallus).
Blue masonry. All mason degrees below 32 have been lied to.
13 colonies and many more 13s relate to the 13 Osiris body parts recovered.
Thanks a lot, very informative.
TheAssegai…..
Close to 20 yrs I’ve followed their work……
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The Road, which is a wide as humanimal’s stint, is a Cormac McCarthy story title, & suitably/typically (punch in the g)utopian in its setting & possibilities.
JC & any other poster children awaiting turns in queue for martyrdom & ritual sacrifice are beside the point… which point being the generalized/wholesale inability to diagnose noses on faces, let alone pin tails on donkeys, & therefore prescribe anything but words that narravigate to hope-against-hoped for fattest possible slices with the least amount of effort necessary & in the least amount of time elapsed.
Shorter: “I don’t care how I get what I want so long as I get it…cuz the how will be word-veneered as I go & maybe even more after the fact, too, anyway.”
Long time preferences have always been in short supply. Always (I give no fooks what the auld lang syne protestant work ethicists claim, for mythographical leverage, what used to be the old normal…).
The “conversation” has been going from the get.
And the programming language has always been coded to program the hardware clerks that keep those shelves stocked with ever cheaper (front end loss leaders) but more & more expensive (on the embezzled back end) programming language.
Recursive & continuously regressive, Valley of the Matryoshka Dolls babies all the way down…
…the reptile that eats itself is also impatient, in a hurry, & so to get on with it, speed it up, death’s wished for apprehension, it adds a twist to its self-cannibalism: ∞ …
…Mr. Magoo’s coke bottle lenses that don’t clarify a thing, silicone-ballooned double d’s pyramids jutting up long past pharaohs & cleopatras have dusted back to dust, demolition derby x marks the treasure…
…cuz the less often the race is to the swift & the battle to the strong the better according to the mass of bettors who couldn’t learn to bet right if Morpheus jacked an Ed Thorpe infusion into the backs of their heads.
“We think in words”
Oft heard, the slapping on of that one.
So accept no substitutes for those substitutions, cuz label indicates they got more seniority than you do – & if it is written rite, it must be true.
I remember what it was like on substitute teacher days: same day, same adhesive-backed plastic wrapped in words, different font.
Label slapping gets so polished sleight of cut/paste scissorhands, & that because practiced so compulsively, that repetitive use injuries – labile inflammations & fractures – just gets worse & worse…& worse.
Choirs, as a defense & a splint…& for more practice, but in a safer space…come together, rite now, over thee cohortery that’s got to be good lookin’ cuz its so hard to see…cuz the hand is indeed quicker than the eye that serves the brain airbrushed screen-realitea.
There’s really no such thing as good advice but if there could be that credo expressed in Heat (451? “narrative,” perhaps chant-meditated upon neath a cold, nervous system jolt-resetting, shower …) – which even the guy professing it did not follow, much to his own in flagrante chagrin – would be good advice:
“A guy told me one time: Don’t let yourself get attached – by your dymo label-maker – to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner.”
And, countering another’s hopium, the same character said: “Wake up! Assume they got our phones, assume they got our houses, assume they got us, right here, right now as we sit, everything.”
Not all assumptions make asses outta u & me. This character’s demographic bell curve assumption might be one of those assless ones.
Isn’t that Colin Kaepernick?
Sure. Read your King James or New King James bible. Often. Most reliable texts as they are based on the Textus Receptus. If you have time watch/listen to ALL the videos you can find by Chuck Smith, Chuck Missler and Walter Martin.
Both sides are narratives. The whole meme is to promote the idea on the right side. Each point is either outright incorrect, a partial truth, or a twisting of truth.
Yes. Narratives. They are just like that aren’t they, anon: incorrect, partly true, or truth stated wrongly.
All conveyed simply, but are complicated to unpack. Takes time, energy, and curiosity all of which are lacking in the minds of today’s harried, lazy, and electronically spoon-fed American citizens.
A whole clip of .44 magnum. Rhetorically of course.
According to Edgar Cayce, Jesus had shoulder length curly/wavy RED hair and BLUE eyes. Does that sound like a camel jockey?
Sounds like a red-headed step child.
Just sayin’
No, it sounds more like a FF post. The Semites did NOT have red hair and blue eyes.
Prove it.
I have never considered Jesus Christ as anything less than the I AM that I AM, the Holy Spirit as Comforter….
The problem arises, imho, when too much emphasis is placed on the ‘fully human’ part of the concept. GCP and I may disagree on a few points, but I am simpatico with him as he explains the way in which God has chosen to deal with mankind-old testament church and new testament church.
As far as your meme? I would take issue with almost every bullet point on both sides.
annuit coeptis novous ordo (or it’s up here) seclorum <—-===
It's up here !
Glitchin dang computer- 3 second delay from deystroke to display…(then I type the wrong key,lol) where's the cursor?? (45 minutes)
Sorry, Uncola………………
Ordo,
You have to close down all of the pop-up ads otherwise commenting is like playing a video game as the cursor stalls and jumps.
You wrote:
Although I believe some may be undeniable, most of the bullet points could be debated – but it would be tough to argue them back in bullet points… and that’s what’s tricky.
Otherwise, See my (4-20-21 @ 6:22 pm) comment above to TheAssegai
For just 8 short minutes consider an old but now racist view.
https://comparet.christogenea.org/audio/who-are-jews-who-are-gentiles-great-masquerade-side-a
https://comparet.christogenea.org/audio/who-are-jews-who-are-gentiles-great-masquerade-side-b
The usual suspects will develope spastic colons over this but the rest of you are far more intelligent and seeking truth at any social cost.
The same groups who lied to us about Covid lied to us about this also.
Sorry, but there is no way to know what Jesus looks like.
You might also heed the second commandment:
“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.”
Sure there is but you haven’t inquired. Any of those 3 inks will get you started. How did you manage to conflate a simple picture with worshiping graven images?
The commandment doesn’t just prohibit worshiping or serving them – it also prohibits creating or possessing them.
Jesus Christ Graciously removed us from under the law!
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Totally irrelevant. No one is advocating the worship of false idols.
What are Graven Images in the Ten Commandments? Dr. Michael Heiser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHUFIR9INEc
I have listened to a LOT of Heiser……
You post some good stuff, Flash.
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As far as the pictures themselves are concerned, give me the manly one on the right. The fair-skinned one looks like a soi boi fag.
In terms of true statements … there are far more of them – pretty much all of them- under dark Skin Jeebus.
One picture has Jesus and the other a threat to my People.
Schwartza’s pictures of Jesus have him full bore Nigerian.
Everyone wants apiece of Jesus to champion their cause, but the mission of Jesus was not to accomplish any Worldly revolution, but to present His Fathers eternal kingdom to a fallen world, desperately in need of a Savior.
His very person did not fit the mold of an Israeli general or leader of an earthly rebellion, but one who was the reflection of God who came to earth to offer salvation to whomever would repent and believe.
To try to box this Jesus into this box or that box is to miss why he came to live, die and be raised from the dead; not that He would join Himself to any movement, but that by believing, man could join himself to Jesus and in so doing, enter into the kingdom God has prepared for those who would renounce the world to gain the Savior.
Obviously, NS, those who would believe that must realize the profound ramifications it holds in our current national circumstances.
WWJD? Purge the money exchangers? Or die for their sins? According to the Bible, it was both.
The mission of Jesus was and is eternal and Transends national circumstances. To try to apply who Jesus was to national circumstances is to open His life to all the confusion you see in all the posts who immediately strive to make Jesus fit into their “box”.
The meme you present lowers the life of Jesus to race baiting and if you uphold to the sacrifice that gave to you the gift of salvation, you should never have considered even posting the meme.
The Bible speaks of Jesus becoming a man to become a propitiation for mans sin, for the salvation of mankind, and should be left at that. Any attempt to define the man Jesus into some racial component and suddenly we begin to argue over what was His skin color? Arguing race is exactly what the Maxine Waters of the world would hope we as Christians would engage in; don’t be that (insert gender preference here).
That is why HE came when HE did.
No image should be made of the I AM. Even the original alters were just stones stacked, not man hewn. Of course that was Old Testament.
And we know from scripture that JESUS could change appearence.
“Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles[a] from Jerusalem.
They were talking with each other about everything that had happened.
As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them;
but they were kept from recognizing him.
Luke 24: 12-16
Several times recorded in the Gospels the jews went to kill JESUS, but HE would just walk away through them.
The fact that when one has the faith (Hebrews 10: 28-39), have been born again (John 3:3), and through death or being caught up (1 Thessalonians 4:17), we shall see HIM as HE is in all HIS glory.
But it’s not just about the skin color. Hence the discussion.
Hi and thanks for getting back to me; I hope you are well!
Thanks for reminding me this is an open discussion; my opinions while most of the time are “Not Sure”, but concerning the faith, I tend to become “Too Sure”.
Now, back to the discussion!
But skin color is the whole point of what you posted. If not for the pictures and use of “Colonizer” and “Historical” each item listed could be shown to be true or not through Scripture.
This is not a game.
And it is sure not hollywood.
BINGO!!
Uncola’s denials are Weak Sauce.
I’ll say it again, he posted this to stir some shit. AND THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT …. just look at all the interesting and varied points of view in this thread.
Well, in the descriptions/things ascribed to Jesus, there are some truths behind both. HOWEVER…Jesus was no more brownskinned than I am.
First, just read your Bible – it becomes plain. Second, look at profane history; Pontius Pilate describes Him in a letter, and the description is a LOT closer to the drawing on the left than the other. The one on the right is laughable propaganda.
Secondly, read the jews own description of Jesus – they say he was tall, thin, somewhat stoop shouldered with White skin, blue eyes and hair ‘the colour of a ripe chestnut’ with a reddish blonde beard.
Third, He could not be dark skinned and any kin to Adam, as Adam was White. Even his name says so…
Please get a Covid shot. dumb motherfucker.
Well, Doug, as with anything historical, human or otherwise, I’d say the best bet is that the truth lies in the middle somewhere.
Just like in our world today, we have a left-wing who has their beliefs and a right-wing with theirs; but the bird in the middle is the one keeping those wings going — like the middle class.
So I always try to weigh both sides with logic and see which one cannot hold. But that’s like eating cotton candy, because a lot of what is told as truth is fluff. So I have to research and arrive at my own conclusions. They obfuscate the truth so much over the years — we’re seeing it happen in real-time — that it’s almost impossible to find the truth. But the truth can’t be denied, once it’s discovered.
Appropriating the name of Jesus for your political agenda may well be what the warning “Do not take the Lord’s name in vain” warns against. I’m not sure I’ve ever come across someone asserting the “Colonizer Jesus” but I’ve seen many of those who advocate for the “Historical Jesus”. The problem with these latter folks who focus on his subversive attributes, they are often the ones who also promote an all powerful socialist state.
Good luck fitting Jesus into any paradigm that entails worship of the state.
To all the ‘indigenous’ folks of the New World and those brought from the Dark Continent…he, Jesus, was a colonizer. Their point of view. Peeps of Colour Liberation Theology.
RE: worship of the state.
I think that’s it. Right there. It distills to man worship and that would be a bullet point any so-called progressive Christian should find hard to reconcile.
Much appreciated, Thersites.
Why do you wish to unwind the knot? It will either fall on deaf ears or you’ll be preaching to the choir. I certainly doubt anyone’s mind will be changed. Or are you, uncharacteristically, just stirring shit?
LHG,
No, I’m actually working something out over here that has applications ranging from my personal circumstances to, perhaps, a future article.
Looking forward your article on how it all “ties” together.
This is what I write about and at bloodandfaith.com
In a nutshell, take the White Jesus — His father was NOT a Jew (even the Jews knew that).
You should know who his Father is — don’t make me tell you.
Biblical genealogy only goes through the male.
Jesus took the vineyard away from the Jews and gave it to another “ethnos.”
Every scripture since the Resurrection was written in a European language (Greek).
Jesus spent as little time in Judea (land of the Jews) as possible, preferring the mountains and waters of Galilee.
The Jews murdered Jesus Christ — they utterly rejected Him.
Paul was directed to preach to the Europeans.
Only Europe was truly changed as a civilization with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Europe was Christendom.
The Faith was Europe and Europe was the faith.
I call all historically Christian peoples (Europeans) to return to their King.
Fritz Berggren, PhD
bloodandfaith.com
gab.com/cybertext
Hey PhD…
“Paul was directed to preach to the Europeans.”
Romans 1:16 KJB… “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
Ooops… The gospel that the risen and glorified Christ gave to Paul was for ALL men everywhere.
https://comparet.christogenea.org/audio/who-are-jews-who-are-gentiles-great-masquerade-side-a
https://comparet.christogenea.org/audio/who-are-jews-who-are-gentiles-great-masquerade-side-b
From Pilate’s Letter to Ceasar…
More important than the pictures, the Holy Spirit kicks ass.
The meme is devised to divide and conquer. Christianity has so many sects and denominations, each with its own interpretations of the scriptures. Christians are supposed to love one another, but those that are opposed to Christianity look to take advantage of the differences of interpretation that have occurred over two thousand years to pit each against the other.
This picture is a rhetorical trick, like so many before it, exploiting faith to promote politics. Jesus is held as an exemplar by many, not to themselves, but to people they wish to control. The cartoon characters in this picture are of no consequence.
“If I had a son, he would look like Jesus.”
-Fmr VP Biden
The same people that created the white Jesus narrative are the same folks that decided what books would be in the Bible and what the translations would be. Wonder what they left out, and why.
I suspect you have never investigated the linguistic criteria used to determine which books/letters to include in the Bible. As for translations you can get copies of the letters in their original language and translate it for yourself.
Some translations are very accurate for example I find Young’s Literal to be very close to the Greek. Whereas something like the international or Living is quite simplified and far less accurate. Then you have ‘translations’ like the Message which is beyond inaccurate.
Did you “find” this via personal knowledge, or something you read?
I mean, are you are fluent in Koine Greek?
Are you also fluent in Aramaic …. since, you know, the NT writers relied, in part, on Aramaic source texts.
I find it thru personal knowledge. You know, from reading the original, comparing it with other scholars, using the Strongs, greek/hebrew interlinear… those study things… Plus my wife has been studying the greek for 30 years now and reads it quite well… A language and history nerd… Me I more am interested in the sciency kinda thing… been reading that for plus thirty years too… Sorry if that disappoints you.
I mean, are you are fluent in Koine Greek?
By this I’m assuming you mean that if a person isn’t ‘fluent’ then they have no basis for commenting. Perhaps you should take a dose of your own medicine.
Nope. Comment away!
Except you came across as some smarty-pants who knows Greek because … you know Greek. But, you don’t.
What I’m saying is that you don’t Jack or Shit how close they are … other than what someone else tells you. You can dance around that all you want, but deep down in your know-it-all heart you know it’s true.
And, yeah, the exact same thing is true for me also. I don’t know Jack Shit about Greek first-hand. At least I admit it.
This is why I value this site, the exchanges are often harsh if not rude yet I don’t see the “offended” card being pulled. That said, you can be a real jack-ass, but an engaging one. Dare I say lovable?
I swear you are a gypsy because you must have crystal balls to be able to tell everyone their motivations and intents.
Never made that assertion at all. Simply gave an opinion. You can read it anyway you like. I laughed out loud of you accusing myself and others of merely parroting what someone else tells you, and you yourself are the chief of parroting others.
Anyrate, I have nothing to admit to or apologies for because I never made any claims.
Lunch is over so now gotta head back to the woodshed. oppsss… I apologies for implying I’m a master craftsman at (fill in the trade)
Stucky and Loopy are cryptohebes who will lie, slander, and obfuscate to protect their clan from the sunlight.
Well, if you want unwind the theological knot I will suggest reading the New Testament portion of the Bible. Anyone who does not understand that Jesus was a Jew will not be capable of understanding the Bible. History is difficult for many people and it seems even more so when it comes to Jesus. I am sure that you, Uncola, do indeed understand what the Bible says.
Jesus is God. He came to save the world from sin via offering up his own blood as a sacrifice to to atone for all the prior blood shed in his name. To use God as a political ( taking his name in vain ) tool is blasphemy and a mortal sin.
“What the Third Commandment means
Years later when I returned from seminary, able to read the Hebrew Bible in Hebrew rather than King James English, we had a fruitful discussion about what the Third Commandment really means.
Spoiler alert: it’s not about cursing.
Of course, the Hebrew people had the utmost respect for God’s name. So much so that they wouldn’t even say it aloud. But the heart of the Third Commandment is about using God and God’s good name for our own purposes. And for one class of Tennesseans, that seems to be the hardest commandment to keep. ”
https://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion/2019/11/17/politicians-take-lords-name-vain-when-they-use-god-personal-benefit/4205700002/
If you think you know scripture and haven’t read Michael Heiser or listened to his Naked Bible podcasts, you probably don’t. I found out , I didn’t.
The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible
Reversing Hermon: Enoch, the Watchers, and the Forgotten Mission of Jesus Christ
Everyone forgets that this is all about the supernatural and that even we humans are supernatural. When you forget that, nothing makes sense.
Bingo MC. We are spirits having a human experience and lest we forget, God is watching to see how we handle this amazing experience he gifted us with.
The problem with the image is that it is bullshit, probably made by assholes to piss other people off. There is no ‘Colonizer Jesus’ and no ‘Historical Jesus’. Any individual will have opinions of Jesus, some from Column A and some from Column B regardless of what religion they are and whether they actually read the bible. Few if any would believe all of one column or the other.
The left column portrays a stereotype, what an atheist or other non-believer thinks a Christian believes. The right column is what the poster maker thinks is opposite based on contemporary history, but not Jesus’ actual history, since there is so little outside of the Bible.
Most of the items are expressed as opposites, but are not really. Jesus may have expressed one thing at one time and something different in another situation. Some opposing views can be held simultaneously. Some pairs are based only on opinion.
All in all, I rate it ‘D’ for dumb.
Can’t it be both?
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There’s a ton wrong with this picture. The Bible gives us a description of the Christ.
Isaiah 53:1-3 KJB… “Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.”
Read out loud on a Jerusalem street corner, see what happens.
I have never been to Israel but have friends and ex inlaws who are jewish. They refer to Christ as ‘that man’. still to this day.
Evenin’ GCP…
Great choice !
annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <—===
Here's a couple of new ones for ya:
I left a note on your site, Uncola…..hope you got it
I wanted to thank all of you who commented on this thread. This week I have witnessed people suffering terrible cognitive dissonance after demonstrating to them why Fauci may not be their lord and savior after all.
Their mental contortions have been painful to see and it and it sort of reminded me of the lyrics from the REM song: “That’s me in the corner…. losing my religion”.
Disillusionment is a real b*tch and it shows both the power and danger of narratives.
It was also interesting to see how this “Colonizer vs Historical Jesus” thread even mildly triggered some of the usually… shall we say… less-than-caustic TBP commenters. Perhaps, therefore, Stucky was correct when he accused me of trying to “stir some shit”.
Because narratives are dangerous.
French Philosopher Voltaire once claimed: “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
Narratives destroy by means of false dialectics and these are, as I stated in an above comment “incorrect, partly true, or truth stated wrongly.” It means both sides of the argument can be simultaneously true and false; or as stated in my above-linked comment (now paraphrased):
Narratives are conveyed simply, but are complicated to unpack because that takes time, energy, and curiosity: all of which are lacking in the minds of today’s harried, lazy, and electronically spoon-fed American citizens.
Llpoh’s “Narrative” article was honest enough to point out that conservatives are, also, subject to the delusion of narratives. Therefore, it may be wise for us to always check our premises because the truth is most often somewhere in-between. And, if we’re not careful, we may end up shouting “Sacrilege!” as our sacred cows are slain.
Free speech and open debate are antidotes to deception. Yet, as they say, the first causality of war is the truth. It may be wise to remember these considerations as things go local.
Read the Bible