ASIG was amazed that metal he expected to pay $100 for … now cost $300. Shortages, they told him. Due to what? The Earf suddenly is running out of ore? Nope. Distribution is the culprit. People are just flat out refusing to go back to work. I read somewhere recently where something like 10 million classified ads are waiting for someone to give them a look-see. I wonder what what be the next shortage. Due to the number of faggoty pussies out there, I expect a bloody Tampon Crisis. This story below is just fucken amazing folks.
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#WeAreClosed: Once industrious Americans shunning work as government indulges them with cash
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A curious new labor movement of sorts has arisen in the US in which, far from appreciating the sanctity of hard work and industriousness, it is reveling in the demise of businesses that are unable to find employees.
Karl Marx must be enjoying a hearty belly laugh right now as Uncle Sam, the ultimate poster boy for capitalism gone wild, is having difficulty luring the ‘proletariat’ into his workforce.
A brief stroll down Twitter lane, following the trending topic #WeAreClosed, makes it apparent that some revolutionary ideas are in the air that should give every hardworking American tremendous pause. Social media users are celebrating their newfound liberation from sweat and toil, congratulating themselves by remaining unemployed rather than slaving for the corporate beast, as it were.
“Corporations decided to cut worker hours to less than 40hrs to get out of giving benefits. People had to work two jobs just to get by,” wrote one angry user. “Then, they kicked everyone to the curb at the start of the pandemic. So yeah, tell us how much ‘people don’t want to work anymore.’”
Corporations decided to cut worker hours to less than 40hrs to get out of giving benefits. People had to work two jobs just to get by. Then, they kicked everyone to the curb at the start of the pandemic. So yeah, tell us how much “people don’t want to work anymore”. #weareclosed
— NastyWomanEnemyJo 🇺🇸🌊🇹🇹🌊 (@joannenj) May 13, 2021
Another irate Twitter user, Nate Terani, reminisced: “I’m old enough to remember my friends being furloughed w/o pay from their jobs in Arizona, one w a brand new baby, at the beginning of the pandemic. These businesses took action w/o any regard for its cruelty – Now they’re stunned that no-one is clamoring to return?”
I’m old enough to remember my friends being furloughed w/o pay from their jobs in Arizona, one w a brand new baby, at the beginning of the pandemic. These businesses took action w/o any regard for its cruelty – Now they’re stunned that no-one is clamoring to return? #weareclosed
— Nate Terani (@nateterani) May 13, 2021
Latisha Hordan wrapped it up succinctly by declaring, “We the people have spoken.”
We the people have spoken #weareclosed
— Latisha Hordan (@HordanLatisha) May 13, 2021
Reading these heartfelt declarations from ordinary Americans, it’s hard not to feel some sympathy, especially since many of these people fell on misfortune through no fault of their own. Perhaps these testimonials even pulled at the heartstrings of some CEOs, now that several Fortune 500 members have started to loosen up their purse strings.
“McDonald’s, Sheetz and Chipotle are just some of the latest companies to follow Amazon, Walmart and Costco in boosting wages, in some cases to $15 an hour or higher,” AP reported.
Although the news agency labeled these raises “a boon to employees,” the increases are mere chump’s change compared to the windfall that corporate America received amid the Covid-induced lockdowns.
To put corporate America’s current spate of ‘generosity’ into the right perspective, Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, and the extravagantly wealthy heirs to the Walmart chain “have grown $116 billion richer during the pandemic – 35 times the total hazard pay given to more than 2.5 million Amazon and Walmart workers,” according to a study by the Brookings Institution. In other words, thanks to the Covid lockdowns, the mega corporations control the Monopoly board more than ever before. Thus, this modest pay raise to workers – many of whom were previously and proudly self-employed – could be viewed as nothing more than a humiliating consolation prize, a cheap way for corporations to relieve their guilty consciences, assuming they have one, of course.
“Jeff Bezos and the Walmart heirs have grown $116 billion richer during the pandemic—35 times the total hazard pay given to more than 2.5 million Amazon and Walmart workers.” https://t.co/CxiNGDYmkupic.twitter.com/AAMIRG7dkL
— Brookings Institution (@BrookingsInst) December 26, 2020
Last year, something like a neutron bomb went off along Main Street, USA, sucking the life force from once bustling business districts more effectively than any virus. Countless Americans were forced to close down shops that sometimes took a lifetime or even multiple generations to build. Many of those private enterprises will never come back, while the millions of families silently suffering as a result are stories that will never make it to the front pages of the corporate-owned media. No doubt their faith in capitalism, free markets, and individualism has been greatly shaken, perhaps even shattered. ‘Why start over again when another crisis could sweep it all away,’ they must be wondering. So yes, a certain degree of anger is understandable.
With that said, however, there seems to be another group of Americans, as evident on the Twitter fringes, who are using the pandemic as a means for excusing themselves from any and all personal responsibility. And here the US government must accept a large chunk of the blame. The first mistake, I believe, was taking the unprecedented action of shutting down small businesses in the first place. The second mistake was allowing the US government to, once again, act as private accountant of last resort, writing endless checks for Americans when jobs are clearly available.
“WE ARE CLOSED” trend is filled with entitled crybabies. There is a greater job surplus than at any point in modern American history, a HUGE portion of which pay far more than $15/hr. If you think that plumbing, welding and carpentry is beneath you, you get nothing.
— Steven Crowder (@scrowder) May 13, 2021
It is truly hard to fathom, especially considering the fierce individualism that is said to give the US economy its edge, that 34% of US income now comes from charitable Uncle Sam. According to the latest Personal Income and Outlays data, which provides statistics on government-subsidized income such as stimulus checks, unemployment and welfare benefits, etc., subsidies exploded to a mind boggling annualized $8.1 trillion, double the $4.1 trillion subsidy figure from February.
Already it appears that (some) Americans are getting addicted to the idea of remaining on the government dole, and may not even be opposed to one day receiving a universal income, a proposal that has been kicked around by none other than Klaus Schwab and his Davos talk shop, the same group that sponsors the Great Reset (famously summed up with the Orwellian-sounding rule, “I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better”).
The US government has already mailed out three rounds of stimulus checks – varying in size depending on personal situations – and some people are now anticipating if a fourth freebie will be arriving in the mail. It probably would not surprise anyone that many of those people requesting more cash handouts are Democratic politicians, whose cities and states they represent are floundering the worst under draconian lockdown regimes. What better way to conceal their utter incompetence than through the largesse of big government?
So before anyone jumps to the conclusion that Generation Z(zzz) and the Millennials have been up late at night perusing the Communist Manifesto, laying the groundwork for their own Red October, it’s important to remember that the United States, much like the rest of the world, is passing through a period of unprecedented upheaval. In other words, Generation Z is simply acting lazy because the government has trained them to act that way. While every country has addressed the challenges posed by Covid in their own way, I would argue that the American response has been one of the worst.
While there is nothing wrong with helping people when they are experiencing misfortune, the level of assistance being distributed by the US government – which will eventually have to be paid back since there is no such thing as free money – is conditioning a large segment of the population to a form of learned helplessness and super-dependency.
In a previous column, I argued that during the Great Depression, another crisis of epic proportions, the US government also subsidized the American people through the 1933 New Deal under Franklin D. Roosevelt. However, the main difference was that Americans were put to work on massive infrastructure projects, building dams, hospitals, highways, and bridges. Such work projects, which are certainly in big demand today, gave millions of people a sense of pride and accomplishment as opposed to one of desperate dependency. Sadly, that is not the case today, where millions of Americans have become charges of the state.
Ultimately and tragically, the American peoples’ fierce sense of independence and self-sufficiency will be the price paid for excessive government oversight that they’ve allowed in their lives – for pennies on the dollar.
SOURCE: Robert Bridge on Russia Today
Related Story: “$8 TRILLION A MONTH! Will American work ethic survive this government’s socialist-style generosity shower?”
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Bribery. With counterfeit money. “Crown me,” saith the checkers players. Hannibal Lecter obliges, serves ‘em up.
That’s just creepy.
I am glad I skipped this shitfest.
I’ve been looking for a job since October and unemployed since January and I can’t seem to beg, bribe or blackmail anyone to give me a job. Must be a red state/regional thing. I came in second out of over 165 candidates to answer a damn phone at a law firm. Some places I apply and get an email that it could be WEEKS before I hear from them due to the volume of applications.
Wow, that’s rough! Just keep knockin’ …. what else can one do? Have you tried coding from home? I know somebody who made $93,138 from home just in the last week.
I’ll bet you probably feel like punching those smug Twitterfuks right in the face.
I decided to do rocket surgery from home. It pays almost as good as coding from home. But I can set my own hours and I don’t need a computer.
Yup – I am a coder from home. Moved, and my employer never even knew until a couple months later, didn’t care.
I don’t know where you are from but herein SW Louisiana, post 2020 hurricanes Laura/Delta, it’s hard to find a business that is NOT hiring. Help wanted signs everywhere.
Some businesses have had to cut back production due to lack of employees.
Actual profit margins have long since disappeared from the conversation. Sadly, because it is probably not even relevant anymore. If there is a surviving value in this society it is profit.
Obviously I am not in a position to move for a job or I would.
I feel your pain. In my experience, courting an employer is like courting a woman. If you have to bend over backwards, you don’t want to ‘win’. I was once used to comply with H1-B work visa law (circumstantial evidence). Unavailable jobs can be advertised to comply with law when the person to be hired is known in advance (e.g. a friend of a friend).
What is a reasonably hourly wage these days? I consider $15/hour to be a joke. The risks are very high for the bottom
workersslaves.Lot of billboards around Tallahassee say we are hiring.
Similar problem myself.
Difference being, my F**kwad Governor closed my entire industry by executive order. Thank you covid.
Wanting to work isn’t my problem. There are just no companies ALLOWED to open.
Some skill sets just don’t move laterally.
” Klaus Schwab and his Davos talk shop…”
-Robert Bridge
AKA the demonic front-men/women and tools of the Evil Fuckers. (Hate is not strong enough to express the feeling.)
This dilemma the imbecile government and fukwad titans of industry created reminds Auntie of some way back predictive musical programming:
VERY appropriate musical selection there, i forget.
Apparently, millions of ‘Murikans are now singing this tune …
Timeless classique!
Auntie … I mistakenly gave ‘i forget’ credit for YOUR ‘Bang on the drum’ selection. So solly. OTOH, people know I’m an idiot and figured it out on their own.
updated….. Take this jab and shove it!
Reduce the numbers creating the demand and the supplies will be sufficient.
Are we getting another check? Need to know to help pay my taxes.
Nice thing they have going there.
There’s no incentive to work as long as the government devalues the currency and the SEC doesn’t prosecute these hedge funds undermining our economy. I haven’t worked in nearly 4 years and I’m never going back to working another shit job with no benefits. I’ve been homeless before and there’s no fear mongering left that’d send me back to working one of these service jobs. If nobody goes back to work the corporation collapses. Que sera, sera.
Takes a lot of courage to share your jobless status … and even more to say you won’t take “another shit job”.
You might get some blow-back on that. I also know you don’t give a Rat’s Ass about that either. 🙂
I haven’t worked in over 4 years because I had a nervous breakdown after working these abusive jobs for years. I literally cannot work another day for these abusive people without slitting my own throat.
I’m sorry to hear that, Steph. Really.
Wonder how many have gone Galt? I do the least I can so I don’t pay into a bullshit system that taxes me to support deadbeats and welfare drones and illegals and corrupt government programs, drones and bureaucrats and bombs.
Why work if the needs of life are being met?
Additionally, a person fares better on welfare, especially if they have kids. Free medical, rent, child care, food stamps etc. That adds up and it really adds up if you don’t have to pay for all those goodies out of your paycheck AND pay taxes to boot. There is a huge industry revolving around welfare. Medical expenses are through the roof, insurance is unaffordable and rents are impossibly high.
The rents reflect property taxes and all taxes are the 800 lb gorilla in the room. Note how the government protected tenants from paying rent due to Covid, calling for rent moratoriums and forbidding evictions while still taxing the landlords. No tax forgiveness for them.
Friend of mine who works in a restaurant was complaining about a six hundred dollar medical bill and the illegals working there laughed at her. They don’t pay no medical bills, the hospital emergency room is their doctor and those bills never get paid, the hospital passes the costs to the citizens and writes off the rest.
The system is corrupt, top to bottom, local to federal. Cloward Piven little fellas…it’s whats happening.
“Friend of mine …”
I was floored when I read that line.
I was floored when I read that line.
That doesn’t surprise me. Are you implying I have no friends or shocked at what the folks at her job revealed?
Yes, to the former. Obviously, you are not stupid, yet neither are you enticing as an advocate. You asked, I gave you my honest assessment.
So, you are an opinionated asshole who felt the need to attack me. As to what you seek in an advocate? Who cares what you seek, it is irrelevant, you aren’t intelligent enough to understand the message, you follow the cult of personality and that makes you and what you think irrelevant.
This world can drive anybody crazy. Thanks for being here, Steph, and being candid. We boomers need your perspective, even if we disagree sometimes. Some of us have problems we don’t talk about here, and there are a lot of people barely hanging on – whether financially or mentally.
Thanks. I’m so sick of everybody pretending things are okay. The pandemic was an attack on our country and we’ve been subjected to psychological warfare for the past few years. I’m just calling a spade a spade. I had a breakdown after years of being under extreme pressure and I witnessed people dying non-covid related deaths during the pandemic. I constantly check up on people these days and don’t take other people’s distress lightly.
“I’m so sick of everybody pretending things are okay.”
Stephanie…I hear ya. I often say I will never recover from this past year. Being around teens, the suicides from this past year were unbearable. I had zero control over the situation and that is something I’ll never get over. What’s happened and is currently happening to children has left me in a very bitter state. I’m beyond pissed and at this point will put my life, money, and freedom on the line to fight this BS.
Where you in a prison?
I know that probably sounds flippant, but why not simply change occupations rather than slave to something you hate doing?
Joe…yes a prison, the public school system. I did change. I now work for private families in the homeschool community.
Appreciation (for writing it down, off, & getting right). That’s the way, what it takes.
ever think of self employment ?
May I ask what you do to make ends meet?
A month ago, Amazon opened a new distribution center in Memphrica and said they were going to hire “hundreds” of employees @$15/hr. Today they announced the starting pay will be $17/hr. A $2 increase in 3 weeks
How desperate would a company be to decide to open a site in Memphis? Memphis is 69% black. Drawing decent employees from a population where 69% of them have an average IQ of 85 would seem difficult, no?
I would not even consider opening a business or site in such a place.
Memphrica is the distribution capital of the United States. Airport is open 99%+ of the time, all 5 major railroads serve it, I-40 & I-55 go through Memphis and cross the Mississippi river (I-40 bridge currently closed due to structural cracks; 3rd largest inland port in America. Large tax breaks offered for any company who will locate there.
It is also surrounded by several majority white counties in TN, AR and MS.
There is also another large Amazon distribution center in MS, not far from Memphrica.
Still have to locate the business in Memphis. No thankyew.
Dealing with the city government would not be worth it, regardless of the tax incentives. Go across the state line to MS and you are in a whole different world.
Is Amazon a business?
Yep. And profitable, too.
One “hint”…
…(flashing on Ian Anderson/Jethro Tull: my words but a whisper, your deafness a shout ♪♫♪)…
…not the only “hint,” essential “businesses” & “non-essential” businesses.
It was a reign-y night in Georgia, Jekyll Island Georgia, how & when that decision was made & foisted…& yes, exclamation point yes, swallowed by so many good little germans. Or Italians. Ororororoboros….
If you believe that’s business, & that it’s profitable, then you must also believe that irrefusable offers from the Godfather is business, too.
Do you? Organized criminality is a business? In that case, what isn’t business?
Dig a trench, put the bar in the trench, cover it up. That’s how low that bar is set.
But actually, what’s happening now, that’s really not a deep enough, negative enough, bar setting.
Get a boat, park it over the Marianas Trench, drop the bar in.
Just don’t award gold medals for hurdling, vaulting that bar. Not even the Special Olympics sets such low standards.
Or do. Looking around it’s apparent that the really special Olympics is a thing, too.
I forget – I find it difficult to read your stuff, so generally do not, probably to my detriment.
Amazon is absolutely a business. It buys stuff, sells stuff, or facilitates the selling of stuff. Best I can tell it does so very efficiently. And the marketplace agrees.
It made a first Q profit of $8 billion.
You seem to suggest they are a criminal enterprise. Buying and selling is a time honored legal business. If you are suggesting they are a monopoly – it is really hard for me to understand clearly anything you write, as I have said – that is obviously incorrect. They have lots of competition.
Don’t want to do business with them, or don’t like them? Don’t buy from or through them.
LLPOH…Well…if something doesn’t click at all, it’s detrimental, in terms of wastefulness, to do it. Or in this case, read it. As you say, & I agree, spend your time-is-money correctly.
Yes, A buys/sells/facilitates. But is that all it does?
Did A just happen to fall on the “essential” list? Was the “rolling up” of all the “non-essential” businesses that fueled the “profit” surge just a random fluke that could have happened to any?
Or was it orchestrated, big lie orchestrated, like those bankers on Jekyll Island orchestrated the Federal Reserve – & then used the cudgel of state to make the cudgel of a central bank “legal”?
(Speaking of low bars & lower blows: “legal.”)
States are indeed criminal enterprises. The biggest ones. Recall the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI-wbD9jlzM
You seem to suggest that using the state cudgel to beat competition to death is not criminal. That can’t be so, can it?
There are other offenses against the unknown ideal “market” A is guilty of.
Collusion with others in the cartel club to lock in the censored narrative. I recall your recent stance on the subject of narrative.
Washpo, for the same narrative purposes in another medium.
Servers hosting a big chunk of “the security state.”
(I remember Larry Ellison saying that if he didn’t do it, don the co-conspirator culprit mantle, somebody else would. Not quite correct. If not he, somebody else like he. Some other pragmatic utilitarian sociopath, iow. Recently heard this gov/biz chimera lizard basks on one of the Hawaiian Islands that he apparently, somehow, owns. I didn’t bother to confirm; keeping track of outlandish-but-true is like believing when told that houses will never be built up the flanks of Camelback Mountain as you watch houses march up the flanks of Camelback Mountain.)
A even took down all the “backchannel” (my term for the discussion threads it all along, up until just recently, provided for discussion of products, books) – just more of the same gag ordering.
A’s a wanted posterchild for just about anything that gets dissected on TBP.
I used to buy fair amount from A. That’s done with now. Because it is detrimental to spend time-is-money incorrectly. And not just detrimental to me, personally, either. It’s the guppy way to privatize “profits” whilst dumping the externalities gently down the stream (merrily-merrily-merrily life is but a dream…).
Btw, at the risk of being charged with god-complexity, but actually just a bit of german precision, incorrect isn’t always just a matter of opinion, or perspective. Some things, a lot of things, are incorrect whether recognized as such, or not. Despite the undeniable fact that cartel coils are constricting ever tighter, capitulation to that incorrectness is incorrect. Being a good little german, vichy frenchie, whatever, is incorrect.
Oh, if I had the arbiter’s magic wand…things’d be a lot less messy than the criminals tragic rawanda.
Ok. Now that’s away, the straighter version, back to some more funner stuff:
I think the question is fair.
And if your answer is affirmative, that ‘the mafia’ ~ organized crime ~ is a business, I think the thick brick lyrics is a fair characterization.
Also fair lines of force&fraud drawing would be that another brick in the wall tune…
…& The Cask of Amontillado…immurement’s a fun word…
…another pile of bricks for the antifa/blm squall…
…& that time, age 13, I chased an escaped pig into the ajoining property, which was a brickyard…only to learn you can’t outrun a pig, can’t wear a pig down, not even by beaning it, over & over, with brickbats – pig is perennial…if a pig doesn’t want to go where you want it to go, it won’t be made to go. But when it gets hungry enough, it’ll return to the most likely chowline. Unless it runs into a hungry something, or someone, that smokes & pulls it, first.
Bezos is, & ilk are, like the Orwell pig who believes all animals are equal, etc, etc, etc, & that first & last right of irrefusable offers does & should belong to Carlin’s club that you ain’t in…& that no decent person wants to be in.
Organized crime, gangsterism, is not a business club. It’s a truncheon club.
Ha. Girlymen who truncheon so’s their inner & trophy ladies can luncheon.
What Robert Barnes says about the guy that is the model for the Billions hedgefund character, is way to bet on all these black holes.
Well, at least this is effectively a giant test of universal basic income. And Lo and behold, what do we discover? Amazingly, if you give everyone enough free money to not work, a lot of those people will decide not to work! I am stunned, I tell you, simply stunned.
I’m pretty sure nobody is staying home because the government gave people roughly $3,200 per person over a year. The pandemic followed 20 years of the fed policy of zero interest rates blowing up bubble after bubble after bubble. Eventually people were going to give up when they realized they were being financially sabotaged by their own government.
They aren’t. I don’t know about the current situation. When the unemployment subsidy was hundreds per week, an acquaintance of my sister told her 18 year old son not to bother with a legit job. That stimulus increased their “income” by $2,400 per month.
Welcome to communism. This is being done intentionally to undermine our country.
While not wrong, your purely top-down explanation attempt doesn’t really cut it.
A wise man realized that Marxism, and by extension Communism, are founded on the principle that “true freedom can only be achieved by an entirely self-created man, i.e. dependency on nothing.”
An easily overlooked side effect of such an approach is that then men also need no value(s) higher than themselves anymore, which leads to the fracturing of society into a million pieces (atomization.)
So the undermining came from within (the US), and some people say it started in earnest in the early 1950’s, by accepting well-being (=materialism) as a replacement of ‘higher values’, a/k/a a bribe.
Leah – you are one of my favorite posters. You think clearly.
Steph – you are wildly mistaken.
What were the unemployment benefits hiked up to? A $600 a week increase it was initially, which reduced to $300 a week by memory, which has been extended til September. People were, and are being, paid more to work than they were earning. And many will have decided that that extra money is enough so that they will not work.
You are at times not very astute. Your comment about not working because of abusive employers is sad, and I really wish your life was better. Really.
I know you, and you would find it hard to find and hold a job given your issues and general anger at the world. Your issues and anger, combined with a lack of ethics, which you have laid out here many times, would make you very difficult to employ.
You will only make your life better if you are able to get past the resentment and regret, and take personal responsibility for your situation. I know a thing or two about this stuff, and have seen how it destroys people first hand. You do not want to go down that path forever. Hope you can find some happiness somehow, and leave the rest behind.
Not everybody qualified for those benefits. A lot of people working service jobs ( a la Walmart and restaurants) were deemed “essential” during the pandemic.
So your point seems to be that workers with jobs should get unemployment benefits? Damn. Alrighty then. And pretty sure they would still have jobs, so we are not talking about them, are we?
Labor is a business expense just like the electric bill or paying a vendor. It took a lot of people being given generous unemployment benefits (under the specific direction of Trump) to realize they were being ripped off by their employers. Any business who can’t afford to pay a livable wage doesn’t have a profitable business.
Steph – you really are clueless. Liveable wage my ass. Businesses should only pay what the market dictates. Not a cent more, unless there is a business reason for it – like staff retention, etc.
There should be no minimum wages. It distorts the entire system, and in the end will cause great problems. Along with job losses.
And the idea that when the golden welfare goose shits money on someone, they somehow come to realize that they have been taken advantage of by employers is just insane. No kidding. What has actually happened is that they realize that the golden welfare goose shitting money means they do not have to work.
It is sad to see how far you have spiralled down. I hope you can get some help. I will no longer respond to you.
Stop putting words in my mouth you dishonest asshat.
When was the last time you were an employee? I challenge you to go work any of these minimum wage jobs and see how you like it.
What a self absorbed twat
Llpoh works for himself. That makes him an employee and an employer all at the same time. If he pays himself too much, he’s out of business. If he cannot afford to live on what he makes, then he would have to tighten his belt significantly or move to a different job.
Only “asshats” whine and beg about their jobs.
Small interruption: the labor/capital paradigm(?) is FUBAR and will only lead to worse things imo.
GNL, I hope you expound upon that statement. What, exactly do you mean about a labor/capital paradigm? What would you change, and how?
I believe he is talking about the Marxist framework [of terms], that everybody -even most ‘conservatives’- are completely stuck in using.
I don’t have an answer. I don’t believe it will change until some type of collapse. Capital is running roughshod over labor. There will be more and more voting for free stuff…labor will have to in order to survive.
Capital? Counterfeit money isn’t capital. Do loose lips sink ships or do ships of states loosen lips? Both, of course. Its a board game. Park Place & Baltic Avenue are properties of the game. Not properties. Not capital.
Because markets are not. Vast misallocation machinery is not market. “Except” inside the matrix.
LLPOH, You should really post that you’ve edited your comment. You added a bunch of stuff to your comment AFTER I replied. Not including an edit disclaimer is dishonest.
Who died and left you queen?
You edited your comment to imply a conversation that never happened. You’ve never understood anything I’ve ever said and you’re not interested in understanding my perspective about anything.
Do you for minute understand how terrible these jobs are that I’d rather be homeless or commit suicide than work them? You don’t care how many people are suffering as the “working poor” class.
The Federal Government is the largest employer in the United States. Let that sink in for a minute. Where does the government get its money? Used to be taxes, now its the printing press. What is the median gov. salary?
As of Dec 2, 2020, the average annual pay for a Federal Employee in the United States is $109,992 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $52.88 an hour. This is the equivalent of $2,115/week or $9,166/month.
What is the largest government expenditure?
Government spending for FY 2021 budget is $4.829 trillion.
Despite sequestration to curb government spending, deficit spending has increased with the government’s effort to continually boost economic growth.
Two-thirds of federal expenses must go to mandatory programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
The United States must pay the interest or risk defaulting on its debt and shaking investors’ faith in its capacity to pay. If it does not, there could be domestic and global economic consequences.
All this talk about workers not working is irrelevant in the overall scheme of things. When the Federal Government grows as large as it is, then you have no country, you have a form of parasitism, a bureaucratic system that is doomed to failure because it is a parasite killing off the host it feeds on.
I completely agree with you. There’s no small businesses anymore. This pandemic was a massive power grab against the American people.
I’m just tired of fucktards like llpoh who think people’s suffering is their own fault. The government and corporate institutions have taken over our country and they’re trying to subject us to communism. The corruption is massive and only elitests who are immune from the suffering would defend what’s happening.
Llpoh is an asshole. I have no respect for him.
Steph, I upped and downed you on this. Yes, the parasites are gaining dominion over the 99%. As for LLPOH, he is right because this is the world. This is how it is. What can be done?
In my mind, greed is in full bloom. No care for each other. Too many people. It’ll get worse. I often post a single word…
G.R.E.E.D.
It’s greedy for people to want to earn a wage they can live off that’ll pay their bills and put food on their table? It’s greedy for people to want to work for themselves? It’s greedy people don’t want to go back to work for a corporation that doesn’t respect them as human beings? It’s greedy people want to be left alone?
No, it is not.
However, the main difference between you and Llpoh is that you believe a company OWES a worker whatever you imagine a “living wage” to be …. and Llpoh does not.
FWIW, I side with Llpoh on this. And don’t think it’s because he’s my pal. We have tangled on more than one issue, sometimes with great exuberance, when we disagree.
YOU owe it to yourself to get the skills necessary to find a job that pays a living wage … and they ARE out there.
A company has One Big Responsibility. Make a profit so it can stay in business. If youowned a company … wouldn’t that be your primary goal? It ought to be! Because if your main concern was paying a living wage to everyone, I’m fairly sure your doors wouldn’t stay open very long. Surely you can see that?
I sure as hell wish everybody could make $52 bucks an hour regardless of what they do. But, that just ain’t the way it works … and it never will.
And that trumps ethics/morality every time?
I’m pretty sure that’s not what you meant to say.
You want morality? Go to church. Oh, wait … maybe not.
I’ve worked for a couple big companies; HP and IBM. I can’t really ever remember having meetings or goals about “morality”. Then again, I was a peon … maybe Bill (Hewlett) and Dave (Packard) agonized over morality in their Ivory Towers.
Maybe Google values morals. After all, their motto is “Don’t be evil”, or some such bullshit.
I’ll bet Monsanto has Morals Meetings every day. It’s a big responsibility deciding which people to kill with your next chemical product.
Does Coke worry about their morals considering their product has caused millions to contract diabetes … and who knows how many deaths?
SHOULD morals be taken into account by an enterprise? OK, yes!
WILL it? Nope. At least not if it affects profits. I know it, you know it, we all know it. It makes for good internet discussion, though.
You do realize both Coca-Cola and IBM knowingly worked with the Nazis. IBM provided them with the tabulators to reduce people to the numbers tattooed on their arms at the prison camps.
Yes, the morals of a company fucking matters.
So, 7 paragraphs later, you haven’t answered the question:
Does profit trump ethics/morality every time?
And that’s obviously first of all an “ought” question.
I mean I understand very well both you and Llpoh are just whistling past the graveyard to avoid looking in the mirror and truly asking yourself if you like what you see, ethics wise.
But trying to bullshit me and other commenters here about that fact just makes you look completely foolish.
A rhetorical question is one where the questioner “asks” a question to make a point rather than to get an answer.”
It sure appears to me that’s what you’re attempting …. especially since you KNOW the answer. I don’t answer rhetorical questions.
Your question is actually quite silly because you included “every”, even italicizing it.
Besides, I already did answer it. In today’s world profit usually trumps morality. I gave several examples. You must have missed them. And sometimes it does not.
Hell, maybe MORE than sometimes! How the hell do I know? Have I surveyed the millions of business in America? No. Have you? No. So, you also don’t know the answer to your own question!!
You think you’re so damn smart asking that question … a silly question at that. But, you’re not.
Lastly, if you think that I take great quantities of time just to bullshit you … as if THAT would be of importance to me … or, others then, Mr. Single Letter Name is is you who is a Great Fool.
Blah, blah blah…
So why do you think I have to ask a rhetorical question here?
May it have something to do with the fact that both you and Llpoh are splattering this forum with statements along the lines “who earns the most money is right – even morally!”
That’s not how it works, and I refuse to let pass such if the scale becomes too large.
Just as I pointed out in
that giving advice on how to improve society without even mentioning Christianity is a stupid stance,
so is Llpoh’s pulling the money/income/master-degrees card here repeatedly, while ignoring everything -even outright questions I made to him- about ethics.
m – you are a lying cocksucker. Neither Stuck nor I have said anything approaching “ who earns the most money is right – even morally!”
I have no obligation to answer your asinine questions. Re ethics, I doubt you even understand what they are. That has to do with honesty and integrity. And given you are such a lying cocksucker you clearly have no clue about ethics.
Lying cocksucker? Classic projection…
We all know you lock Stucky in the basement when he uses too much teeth. But that’s okay with Stucky… he loves being a slave and pleasing his massa.
So if that’s the way you want to argue here, I feel free to answer on your level:
You are a lying piece of shit.
You have repeatedly against Steph, and others who sided with her, brought the argument that with hard work and dedication you can get a good and stable job, and make a decent living. Newsflash for you: while that would be beautiful if it were still true like 60 years ago, things have changed to the worse in the last few decades and it is extremely difficult nowadays to go that path [in the US] without selling your soul to the devil.
Your nauseating ‘just play by the rules’ is simply dumbfckery.
I brought up several points around those morality aspects, in our ‘engineers’ exchange below and you just ignored them entirely.
I don’t dispute there are some very bright US fellows in their 20s, but to believe they can easily get into the top entirely by merit, shows large scale delusion by you.
Your glorified 25 old – how many not-so-nice details have you left out, and that’s after he likely already gave you a beautified version of his reality?
I also know some [mechanical] US engineer around age 25 who is “earning” good money at some Boeing military division. I didn’t want to know too many details from him, as I’d soon would have to tell him that he is a sub-sub-sub-parasite within the MIC whose livelihood depends on sucking the US taxpayer dry.
Others say you have been around for long on TBP and indicate you have some pretty good entrepreneurial career, I know nothing about that – but tell us, how would that have gone if you started today, or even 10 years ago, instead of in your time?
So go fuck yourself presenting us airbrushed versions of reality, and at the same time claiming you have the ethics gold medal.
Again you post a stream of lies re what I have written. Sorry you have failed at your chosen field and are so envious of the young who have not. I have airbrushed nothing. Those young kids have to pass an algorithm test to get even an interview. You must not be able to pass such. Sorry for you being a dolt.
What a lying asswipe.
Llpoh
Again, you are riding the “merits” bandwagon with a spoonful envy accusation thrown in, and ignore all else.
(Successfully passing an algorithm test to get even an interview, is in no way a confirmation of correct ethics.)
I repeat, from above:
“I mean I understand very well both you [Stucky] and Llpoh are just whistling past the graveyard to avoid looking in the mirror and truly asking yourself if you like what you see, ethics wise.”
You arrogant asshole.
M – you piece of shit. You said I airbrushed what I said re my family member, and you said that it was not merit based to get those jobs. I say it fucking well is merit based. To get an interview you have to first establish you can handle world class tech issues. Which you clearly cannot, else you would not be crying about how those people did not get their jobs via merit, and that his firm is unethical, which is bullshit. You do not even know which firm it is, but you make outrageous and erroneous claims.
You are a second or third tier techie, at best. Hacks like you is why so many Indians get imported – you would have trouble installing Office much less creating architecture.
World class techies are sought after, highly paid, and are protected. You, not so much, Mr Contractor. Which means in tech land you are not good enough to get a top position, and no where near good enough to build a start up. Keep fixing crashed computers and installing Windows, shitwad, which is what you low talent types do when you are “contractors”.
See you around, you lying piece of shit.
Astounding what you “know” of me from the few pieces I showed!
‘Arrogant asshole’ really describes you perfectly.
And by the way, hard work, education, thrift, character and valuing family still works, and will always work – for anybody. Not everyone, though, as those such as yourself are too lazy and bitter and of such low character that they will never do what is necessary.
But those that are willing, and their number is few, can prepare for the enormous opportunities that extreme hard times will bring. Hard times always bring enormous opportunities for the prepared, and this time will be no exception.
Keep thinking your failures are someone else’s fault. That will work well for you, I am sure.
I will keep teaching my family the core values, and will keep watching them excel. They are following the formula, and they are reaping the benefits.
Amen. Seriously, did you ever think that those Core Values would EVER be cause for debate here on TBP???
This is, truly, hard for me process.
Last week we had a 200+ comment “debate” about Earth being flat. Now we debate Core Values every human being should strive for. And somepeople think America can survive the coming Shitstorm? Seems less and less likely with each passing day.
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So, unhinged Steff called me “gayyyyyyyyyy” in another thread. And, also you. I did not respond. You did not respond. I am really happy about that. At this point she is clearly vying for attention …. from the very people she says she hates! hahaha! Glad we didn’t give it to her.
“m” is a small man in every aspect imaginable … including a small dick. Really. He has Small Dick Syndrome. I hope he buys this book ….
Yes, always works, especially if you live in a society completely ruled by psychopaths!
Preach your sermon for example to the people living in North Korean, fuckwit.
I see no major failures in what I did.
I do see however somewhere between little and zero opportunity to move anything is a positive direction in the US within my [estimated] remaining lifetime, so I recently chose the better option: to emigrate.
I have absolutely no problem with hard times (that’s also a reason why your envy pitches fall on deaf ears, for me) , I just have a massive problem with no positive path forward.
Tell us, ethics guru, what are the things that will get the US out of the hard times again? In what timeframe?
I mean ‘valuing family’ you mentioned is not a bad start, but how will your 25-old prodigy living in London find a wife who truly believes in those things as well? (Within his [female] colleagues maybe?? Suuure!!)
Are they both mentally prepared for entirely homeschooling?
But what about outside the family unit, how you’re gonna find other families running on similar values, and who can still accept that in some details you have differing opinions?
I could write pages… some stuff is just out of your control, no matter how good your own ethics are.
I have no patriotism towards my country, I only have patriotism towards the ideas this country was founded on. But those ideas are now dead and buried. Nobody will resurrect them, even after the hard times have passed.
You need to accept reality, not bloviate about the great results of 50 years ago morality [back then.]
Hiya Stuck!
Some interesting and truly whacko stuff being posted on this thread.
I really am sorry Steph has spiralled down. I hope she gets out of her hole.
Abigail, whoever she is, is bitter, twisted, full of regret, and thus envious of anyone doing well. It is not uncommon. My family is full of such people, so I know the signs well.
Hi back atchya!
You know, I didn’t want to say a damned thing about this — other than my sincere sympathy I briefly stated — but, since Stephanie has gone Full Retard, I will.
I think she is mentally ill. Anybody who prefers SUICIDE to working a supposed “shitty job” has a brain that is in deep doo doo.
I was taught by my parents that ALL work is honorable. That NO worker, no matter what he or she does, is to be looked down upon. The damned Nazi’s appropriated “Arbeit macht frei”, but that is how my parents lived. That is why my mom wasn’t ashamed to clean other people’s shit for more than a decade.
And here we are …. where people (not just Stephanie) spit on work if it’s shitty, or doesn’t make them feel all goooood and fuzzzzzeeee inside. My god!!!
Those two brainless twits want to blame YOU … you commie cunt … for the demise of America?? They should look in a mirror!
Did you just seriously praise the Nazi’s labor camps?
Are you incapable of reading for comprehension?? I think so.
I said —> ” The damned Nazi’s appropriated “Arbeit macht frei”
Does that sound like I’m praising Nazi’s labor camps???
What I AM praising is the German WORK ETHIC … which is legendary … and existed long before the Nazi’s came into power.
You see, Germans weren’t afraid or suicidal concerning shitty jobs. THAT was my point.
LOL, Germans ran head first into Nazism. I wouldn’t use them as an example for good work ethic. Being a slave to the industrialists isn’t noble. Thankfully, my great-grandparents immigrated to the US to get away from the Prussian system.
This is why you are an idiot.
You’re the ignorant one who doesn’t know anything about German history. There’s no such thing as the “German work ethic” as you claim. Prior to the German unification, that didn’t happen until 1871, it was the Holy Roman Empire which comprised of a bunch of duchies. The Holy Roman Empire wasn’t Holy, Roman, or an Empire. It was another deranged “kingdom” of the Habsburg family. Most people were serfs in the Holy Roman Empire AKA slaves. When feudalism was abolished it was replaced with the Prussian system under Fredrick the Great, the same guy Hitler had a hard-on for and modeled the Nazi state after to make people obedient to Nazi ideals disguised as national duty.
I like Germans. I love the fact that they are focused on precision. Want something done accurately, he a German to do it.
“…is bitter, twisted, full of regret, and thus envious of anyone doing well…”
Llpoh…you are correct about the bitterness and regret, but that comes from how I’ve seen people treated this past year. Not from any envy of financial success, which by the way in several comments you like to put me down as not doing well and unsuccessful. While I do work in the teaching field currently and do not make much with that job, I do it because I love it and it’s my way to fight back against the system. Educating youth on the principles of freedom is my way of pushing back.
Not that I really care to mention this, but in this case I will…I am actually very well off. I do very much believe in entrepreneurialism and have had several businesses myself. I do have multiple streams of income and passive income from investments. I also own about 20 rental properties. I don’t really like laying that out because it comes across as bragging and goes against the very grain of who I am. I give much of my money away to those in need.
I just simply don’t care for the elitist air you put off.
Spoken like a textbook narcissist. Many moons have I watched you praise yourself for your financial succes AND denigrate those who haven’t achieved as much. There’s nothing about you to envy.
I take it you are referring to LLPOH?
you believe a company OWES a worker whatever you imagine a “living wage” to be
Yes, a business does OWE a worker a livable wage if they want to stay in business. Labor costs are a business expense. The employee/employer is a business relationship. If they can’t afford their labor costs they’ll either need to downscale or go out of business. Inflation is going to continue to rise (because of the government) and if wages don’t increase people will refuse to work. If people refuse to work long enough and the government prints too much money it’ll cause hyperinflation. What part of this is difficult for you to understand?
#FukMeDed
Trying to educate you is like talking to a Brick Wall,
Vanity, vanity. All is vanity.
This is the USA and we have a right to our own labor. I’m nobody’s slave and neither is anybody else. If a business can’t pay a livable wage to their employees their business isn’t profitable. LABOR IS A BUSINESS EXPENSE.
And that’s why you’re still unemployed …. after four years.
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Like Llpoh, I am no longer going to respond to you. You are a waster of my time. Your woe-is-me attitude is soul crushing.
I also hope that some day you recover from what ails you. Adios!
I plan on being unemployed forever. I’m either going to work for myself or not at all. Jobs are nothing more than modern slavery.
I happen to agree with you in principle, but the reality remains that a vast percentage of those who would qualify as the workforce- those who seek jobs rather than those who run businesses or are self-sufficient- are incapable of rising much further than a slavish existence. They have neither the vision nor the intelligence required to do much more than what is required to earn a minimum wage.
I have stated before that there will come a time in the not too distant future- should we emerge from this current dystopian nightmare- where people will look back on wage jobs in the same way we currently view slavery. In fact there is not a great deal of difference in what is expected in the employer/employee relationship than there was in the slave/owner relationship. In fact where slavery existed there were sunk costs that made the owners far more likely to retain their slaves whereas in the current era workers are disposable.
There is only one way out of the minimum wage ghetto today and that is for the individual to exit that system and employ himself either as a business owner or as a subsistence farmer. While that may seem daunting or unappealing, imagine the alternative.
The new world ahead that they have planned ends at the edge of a ditch.
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The one group in the US that is most likely to NOT have health insurance OR retirement funds is the Self-Employed.
I am certainly not a socialist or communist. I am, in fact self-employed (no health ins., no pension, some savings).
I sympathize with some of Ms. Shephard’s opinions. I think that for the most part, people should be able to find work that allows them to put a roof over their head, feed themselves, enjoy some time for leisure or self-improvement, and have a bit of money left over at the end of the month. I think that that type of work should be available even for those who came from rough backgrounds, had limited educations, or even IQ’s of 85-ish.
I would argue that most instances of large wealth in this country come from a mixture of luck, connections, corruption, fraud, or a rare gifts of talent, genetic athleticism or beauty, or intelligence. None of which are “hard work.” I think that most instances of modest wealth certainly come from hard work, but can also be intermingled with luck, connections, talents, or corruption.
I certainly think that it is neither just nor useful to blame others who have poor luck, no connections, are less talented or intelligent, and who have not sought opportunities for corruption, for their lower economic and social statuses. Not everyone is poor due to personal vice or criminal behavior. Poverty is not something that is necessarily culpable.
I would argue that everyone’s lives are hard. But I have a hard time seeing how Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos have a harder job, let alone life, than a typical lower middle class slob. So what really explains the fact that the slob has nothing to show for it over the last 20 years, while Bezos has accumulated well over 5 billion dollars per year over the same 2 decades.
I also think that Stucky and Llpoh should be ashamed of both their opinions and behavior. Are you both so insecure that you have to shit down hill? Why don’t you stick up for the meek once in a while instead of always stepping on others to lift yourselves up? Or even just shut your pie holes and let us enjoy some quiet?
Bug – you claim not to be a socialist but then spout the most socialist bullshit.
Please feel free to provide all those folks good jobs. You have a business. Go ahead and hire those 85 IQ types. Just do not expect others to do it. No one has a right to a living of any kind – it has to be earned. If people have such a right, it confers on others the obligation to provide such, and no such obligation exists. Maybe you should learn what earned means.
Oh, and you should keep out of shit you know nothing about. And blow me, while you are at it.
This is why your opinions are so objectionable. “No one has a right to a living.” So I guess all the folks who aren’t too intelligent, healthy, or lucky should just up an die.
And you know, because you are a “business owner” who is “smart” and “healthy” who also “works hard (lucky?).”
Llpoh: As long as he’s got his, everyone else can deal with the leftovers.
Hope you get a chance to see it from another perspective, eventually.
HSF – those on minimum wage are not going to do well as business owners. They lack skills, education, motivation, intelligence as a generalisation, or are young with little experience. Running a successful small business requires a lot of skill and talent. They might be able to be one man band types mowing lawns, etc.
That’s true, but it is also the only way short of windfall inheritance that someone can escape the “job” market.
Yep, since they ain’t got all that, they are worms who deserve only what some oligarch deigns to give them. /s
God help us if Llpoh’s attitude is any example of the way TPTB think. But looking around, I’d say that is probably the case.
No, what you said right here isn’t greedy. It’s the G.R.E.E.D. by a small (btw, I don’t consider someone like LLPOH greedy) group of extremely wealthy people who want nothing less than to own the entire world and won’t stop until they do.
Steph…
Not suffering is not an option. Some philosophies, this is core because, well, cores grow apple trees of knowledge (& “knowledge”) around themselves, don’t they?
But crabapples, sour grapes, doesn’t create, or change, reality: whole lotta suffering is the big, fat, wide mean. And it reverts like a blackhole sucks.
So, it may be that believing you, anybody, should not have to suffer that is at fault. It may be believing that there is a scale out there apportioning out justice that is at fault. It may be that believers are at fault.
And by maybe I mean definitely. But…
So a guy asked me if I’d gotten “my” second check, yet? Told him I hadn’t got the first one, because I want nothing to do with it. I won’t add 30 pieces of silver to my portion of suffering. That’s always been my stance on “social security,” too. That guy, who also told me he wears a 3M respirator to the grocer, hasn’t said a word to me since.
Once you go along, your suffering converts from resource to shackle; the Borg has assimilated you; the Stepford wo/man has made you its husband/wife – you’re now “in-law,” you’re now in method (acting) – a stock character. There may be better things to do with suffering. I know I don’t want to squander mine.
Sorta’ like:
Sorta’ like (hyperbolic as the “choices” are):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4BC4JGXwlE
You are closer to it than LLPOH. It’s possible to get closer still.
Maybe a german work ethic contributes to getting closer still, but as everybody knows, not necessarily. Ain’t no shortage of good & banal little germans following Doc Milgram’s orders to the letter, with “precision,” & copy-paste projecting every afforded chance, too. Never has been a shortage, never will be a shortage.
Ain’t no shortage of Maguas, Israelis, etc, either. “What was done to V was monstrous, & it created a monster.”
(Accurized: released the monster that was always already in there. Doc Jekyll & Mr. Hyde is just one guy, not two. Doc Frankenstein’s “creation” was his inner projected. Jekyll Island, scene of a big crime, is mainland, not speck surrounded by mote.)
The mainstream is cargo cult shipping lane, watery roman road, molten then quenched channel iron, grooves in spinning hotwax & room temp forever more vinyl. It’s movement, but maybe it doesn’t really qualify as travel. It’s sound, but frozen, in an obsessive-compulsive wave that goes on for energizer bunny mimeograph ever.
…In the end, & in the beginning, as Darwin, other honest ones said or wrote…”fault”:
Darwin: “Thought, however unintelligible it may be, seems as much a function of organ as bile of liver. This view should teach one profound humility, no one deserves credit for anything. Nor ought one to blame others.”
Easier to see & say than to do, Charlie.
Irony may be the missing piece of the “unified field theory”: comporting As If (Vaihinger & some german precision) blame is worthy is still also as necessary as not letting it be quenched into channel irony.
Fwiw, prolly nuthin, I think Mygirl’s advice is sound, a dock that crosses the bay beneath. And you can sportfish off of it.
Yes, think of Sloth in Zootopia. It slowly processed transactions. Surely not a metaphor.
taxeaters are not workers. but neither are fiat eaters. parasites, players (“house niggers”), cottonpickers. That old book title: freeing slaves, enslaving free men. divvy the conquer. acquire those souls to the company store.
Hi Lloph, I may not be astute either. I do know that the mom of this kid was treating the unemployment “benefit” like a gravy train. I do get that people who started receiving the benefits may have been making more, but there are those who weren’t.
It was a trip going to my tax preparer without the backup for the $1,200 stim. I ignorantly thought it was taxable. He asked me if I was sure that I receive the stim, because he could add it. What?
When the scam started, anyone who was laid off got an additional $600/week ($15/hr) in fed unemployment benefits, in addition to the state unemployment benefits. It was later cut to $300/week, plus state benefits, so much better than minimum wage. Then came the stimulus payments to supplement them sitting on their arse eating bon bons.
Why the downvote? I’m not disagreeing.
Leah – there are assholes aplenty around here who vote down based on who you are, not what is posted. Don’t worry about it.
BUT the billionaires became even more billionary…at the expense of many other people/businesses. Some decks are stacked and will only lead to more bad things. IMO of course.
It’s a big club, but most are not in it.
Free money won’t protect its women from Mandingo inflation.
This not worth it to show up jobs have been building like an economic tsunami for over 40 years . The dismantling of our heavy industry and the union pay rates and benefits flushed down the memory hole for most Americans excluding the 1% on top and those working in government !
If $15 an hour and no benefits for 30 hours a week is such good news offer that to a school teacher or other tax payer funded employment police , fire department , social security workers etc …!
We all know the majority of jobs now are low pay and that’s where you stay .
So work scratching along at the true poverty level and be taxed for some connected clod to retire in their 50’s with life left to live and benefits to live it as you work till you drop .
Wow what a deal . Tell them to kiss your ass !
The median income is around $32k. That means your comment that most jobs are low paid is more or less correct.
The question is, what skills, abilities, experience or talents do these people have that would allow them to earn a high wage? The answer will be overwhelmingly that they do not have such.
People have to produce enough so as to earn high wages. They have to produce enough value to earn such. And in a service economy, most people simply cannot produce enough so as to be able to earn high wages. So the answer is if a person wants high wages, then they must have sought after talents, abilities, skills, education.
Under 1/2 the workers in the US have attained at a minimum and associates degree. That means over half the people have only a high school degree. That level of education generally does not equate to a high salary or income. That may be all the education those folks are capable of attaining. But nonetheless it is not a high value in the workplace.
Highly skilled people, especially in tech, will make very high incomes. Poorly skilled people will not. Work ethic, education, attitude, field, etc. all come into play.
As an example, two members of my family have master degrees. One of them is making several hundred grand a year in tech, at age 28. The other has already achieved partner status in a medical based practice at 26. They are hard working, well educated, driven, and chose their fields wisely. They were naturally talented. They received good advice and support. The combination of these things resulted in good career outcomes. They did not work 40 hour weeks and then think they were entitled and that good things would be thrust upon them. They competed, they prepared, they worked, and the results came quickly.
To lament low salaries for low skilled and modestly educated people in a service economy in a global economy is folly. This day was coming, and I have said many times it was coming. The ability to value add is simply not there.
There are only two avenues for people to prosper individually, as I see it. One is to make sure that the individual has good education, work ethic and character, and then competes hard to be in the top 5% or 10% of their chosen field. The other is to start their own business, which is very difficult given regs, taxes, etc.
Everyone else is going to find the waters quite rough.
The middle class of the past is going to disappear. It was unsustainable – low skilled workers making solid incomes in a global tech economy is simply not going to continue.
Why don’t you just go attend to your kangaroos and shut the fuck up. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re too dense and self-absorbed to understand our government and corporations have literally been infiltrated by communists who are intentionally undermining our economy.
Crazy woman alert!
If you believe I’m crazy than all I can say is have fun being apart of the slave class ruled by the mafia.
Ad hominem.
Too bad those family members will be required to submit to diversity training and the shot in order to keep that income. What will they do?
Well, Ilpoh is a commie sympathizer so I’d assume if his family members are anything like him they’ll submit to their new rulers.
It does appear that way.
It’s really sad that he’s too arrogant to realize he’s defending communism. If our country falls to communism it’ll be self-absorbed people like Llpoh who defended them and turned their backs on anybody sounding the alarm.
Abigail – you do not know me. The idea that I would have any communist leanings is laughable. I owned and ran my own business for a long time, and have run many businesses in my life.
You should learn before you flap your pie hole.
“You do not know me.”
I do know you get extremely pissed when you can’t answer my questions.
Most likely it is you who should learn what communism is really founded on (see my earlier post on that in this thread),
and then contemplate how much that applies to you as well.
As I did not want to waste my parents money on going to college, I entered a trade apprenticeship.
It took hard work, but paid off.
I am doing quite well now.
I don’t understand people who slave away at shit jobs yet never keep eyes open for new opportunities and whine about how life took a big shit on them.
One of my best employees was a guy who hauled bags of salt for a water softener company. He caught my eye because of his cheerful attitude a d obvious work ethic.
He is now a chiller mechanic for a large Houston real estate firm and he too is doing quite well.
Said Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Ellison, Page, Brin, Bloomberg, and a steady stream of communists. You have the mentality of an elitist without having made it to the elite. Just like them only lot less successful at it.
NPD
Anon = Coward
Don’t even have the balls to use a name, do ya, faggot?
Wow!! You started off so well with your comments above. And them WHAMMO!!!! … you sink to the bottom.
How can someone be a “commie” AND a successful capitalist??? Do you even know what a commie is? I don’t think so.
I have talked about that here until I was blue in the face.
A successful capitalist can be a Marxist, in that he values his own well-being above all else -for example by earning as much money as possible no matter what-, so in other words he puts him/herself as his/her highest value.
Some people would interject “but that’s hard-core atheism, not Marxism” – as Marxism is a major branch of the school of ‘making philosophy change things, i.e. make it practical’, so attempt to achieve paradise-on-Earth, instead of realizing that’s not possible and contemplating what the correct morality is in any given messy situation, that’s the same difference.
dude, look at the Forbes list! The technocracy everyone here bitches about is filled top to bottom with individuals who are communist/totalitarian in ideology but who have had great success in capitalism. Success at capitalism doesn’t make one a capitalist (except to theoretical Marxists), support for free market principles does Winning followed by wanting to close doors that had been open to you so that you can permanently rest at the top of the pyramid … forever… is the dream of ardent communists who want to shape the world the way they want from atop a heap of money. It is the essence of elitists and highly successful psychopaths… but I repeat myself.
This could be your most naive statement to date.
Abigail – you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. One is a partner and owns his own business. The other is in no way falling for that crap.
Envy is a terrible thing. My guess is you are not successful, and project this shit onto anyone doing better than you to justify your failures in life.
COMMUNISM IS ALREADY HERE. What part of that don’t you fucking understand?
Oh, wait. I forgot… you already abandoned the USA so you wouldn’t fucking know we’ve already been infiltrated. You’re too busy being in love with yourself and jerking off about your own success that you don’t get it.
Communists have taken over our government and institutions. Fucking asshole.
Whoop! Whoop! Ding. Ding. Ding. Whooop! JEALOUSY ALERT!!! Danger, Will Robinson. Danger!!! Whoop! Whoop! Ding. Ding. JEALOUSY ALERT!!! Whoop! Whoop! Ding. Ding. Ding. Whooop!
Spit my beer out my nose at that, Stuck. Damn that was funny.
“The other is in no way falling for that crap.”
What *will* he do when it’s required? Quit? Is he prepared to work on his own? What’s his plan if it comes down to it?
I can assure you I’m not envious of anyone working for the man. Not my style.
Define success.
Why should he quit? He makes more in a year than you likely do in a decade. Why would he make a decision about something that may not happen? Longer term I believe the plan is to start his own company. He already works remotely. That is the thing about tech, you see – it can be done almost entirely globally if there is decent internet.
I am not one who buys into the belief that everyone who takes the vaccine is going to die and it is an absolute evil camp. People need to make up their own minds. There is plenty of info out there to sift through. It is an individual choice.
I do not know what his position is, and do not really care. If people take it, it is their decision. If they do not, it is their decision. None of my business. Whatever he does, I am sure he will think about it. He is an adult with a history of astonishingly good judgement.
You define success. He has accomplished everything he has set out to do, lives where he wants, has a very successful wife, makes a ton of money, gets unlimited vacation, is healthy, can find a new job at the snap of his fingers, has money saved, and seems happy.
Hyperinflation is great at making everybody a millionaire.
Fucking commie sympathizer…
Llpoh…thanks for the laugh. Just what I suspected, you’re too tied up with the amount of money a person makes to have any real principles. Golden handcuffs are a powerful thing.
“…can find a new job at the snap of his fingers…”
Good luck with that.
Abigail – that was not an exaggeration. He can LITERALLY have a new job making huge amounts of money tomorrow. He gets recruited daily. Every. Single. Day. The only reason he does not consider leaving at the moment is that his stock options are vesting and the share prices are skyrocketing.
You have no understanding about the pointy end of tech. When I said he could have a new job at the snap of his fingers, it is dead true. He could start work at any of the tech companies you would know immediately – Facebook, Google, Uber, Tesla, Microsoft, etc etc etc – as well as at hundreds of start ups. Start ups pay far less, but stock options and possibility of massive wealth exist with those. His pay increase this year alone was over triple the median US wage, so please, do not presume to comment about that which you know zero about.
The high end tech people are living in a different universe than the rest of the working world, and that will not change anytime soon. The top 1% of the software engineers running around can and do command salaries that are unimaginable, as they have unique and virtually irreplaceable skills which are in worldwide demand. There are a great many young engineers – say 25 years old – making as much or more than heart surgeons.
Now you’ve really shown your cluelessness.
There are close to zero “25 years old engineers” [from the US] who truly earned their ‘engineer’ title.
m – you are showing your cluelessness. Software engineering is a recognised engineering degree, and qualifies a person for entry into engineering societies. There are quite a lot of 25 year old engineers.
Engineers by title, or in the real meaning of the term?
I’m not a software engineer by degree, but tell me how many of those software ‘engineers’ have the slightest in-depth knowledge of foundational things, like building your “own” compiler language with Lex and Yacc – or even just explaining in detail the difference between Java and JavaScript?
Instead they marvel in redesigning the wheel for the 47th time, like serialization of JSON messages for their distributed database – but one cannot build a distributed RDBMS, as the CAP theorem already states.
“He could start work at any of the tech companies you would know immediately – Facebook, Google, Uber, Tesla, Microsoft…”
Llpoh…oh, well, ok you got me. Sounds like he’s winning. How I so WISH I could work for these companies. I don’t have that option…you’re right, I’m a total loser.
Llpoh…please refrain from advising your grandchildren (great grandchildren?) on how to get on in this world. You clearly are clueless…or, maybe you really are a communist sympathizer.
People could literally be loaded up to be put into trains to be sent to the Gulag and Llpoh would remark they didn’t work hard enough to avoid being sent to a labor camp.
Abi – your comments are getting crazier. Your wild guesses are missing the mark.
It is clear that you have been a dismal failure. Only people that have failed begrudge people their successes. You being so adamant that money is not important marks you as someone who has not achieved any financial success or security. That is your problem. My family members have chosen fields that will remain in demand, and that provide financial security.
No, money isn’t everything. But I have been poorer than you can imagine, and I have been quite well to do, and I can say with absolute certainty that well to do beats the hell out being poor.
Yes, the world is going to have some very bad things occur, and perhaps soon. It will offer some extreme opportunities for those that are prepared. My family is prepared, and should weather the storm as well as might be expected.
These are the things that have always mattered, and will do so again: family, hard work, thrift, education, character.
You and your friend seem almost entirely bereft of those things. You will find your beds lumpy, but you made them.
Above you state “Envy is a terrible thing”
but now you try to silence people with other opinions by equating any critique with envy?
How moral of you.
M – not any critique. Just theirs, where envy, regret and anger are the core of their being.
You’ve been here how long? A month or so? What do we know about you? Nothing. Not that I would want to at this point.
Llpoh has been here almost as long as me. I know a lot about him.
Here’s one thing I know for a fact. He has employed hundreds of people for decades in the cutthroat manufacturing sector. I am fairly certain he paid most of his workers a living wage that you and your sister-in-misery (Stephanie) so clamor for.
AND YOU CALL THAT BEING A COMMIE???!
You clueless moron. Get the fuck outta here.
“Here’s one thing I know for a fact. He has employed hundreds of people for decades in the cutthroat manufacturing sector.”
Stucky…you proved your point. He sounds like a true American. Oh, wait, he doesn’t even live here, does he?
I know others who have “employed hundreds of people”…Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates, etc, etc, etc.
Krist! That bullshit canard again?
Listen closely …. YOUR ANCESTORS CAME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I was born outside the USA. I guess I’m not a “true” American either.
For fuksakes, are you and Steph sisters?
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Now you add more bullshit … comparing Llpoh to Bezos?
Abigail — creator of enormous Strawmen. You’ve gone Full Retard. Am done responding to you as well. Go to hell. And I mean that LITERALLY.
You just glorified “work will set you free” as moral. Go fuck yourself.
You know a lot of details about concentration camps, but before you claim the moral high ground – do you also know about the Milgram Experiment?
There IS glory in work.
Work gives much meaning to life. I said “much” not total. Work, in great part, defines a person.
The concept of doing work and loving work is deeply Spiritual … rooted in the Bible from beginning to end.
You don’t know these things … indeed, you can not even begin to grasp them … because you are truly a very very stupid person.
You are to be deeply pitied. I’m afraid you will still be unemployed four years from now. Yours is a life wasted in mediocrity. May God have mercy on your soul for the Devil owns your lazy ass.
Shut the fuck up Nazi sympathizer.
Of course there is glory in work. Work has value, in and of itself.
Clam has always been of low character, and borderline insane. She is an admitted tax cheat, has admitted to not paying her debts, and refuses to work. And comes here prancing like she knows the secrets to the universe. I would heed the words of a skid row bum before anything she says.
And I am now quite certain she has a severe mental illness. I really do hope she is under, or gets under, care for that, and somehow gets back to reality.
Here’s comes the Commie Faggot to defend the Nazi faggot. So fucking predictable and boring.
LLPOH made his money off illegal immigration and Chinese slavery (manufacturing). Massa is angry the slaves are rising up.
Well, once upon a time that work paradigm you speak of was valid. Today, when you have the government paying more money for work along with greater benefits than what can be found in the private sector then you have a problem.
When you speak of education and work ethic etc. you forget what is now happening in the ‘woke’ world where skin color is the determining factor, where education is racist if you teach math and science rather than critical race theory and where people are fired for stating that there are only two sexes and where well qualified white men are turned away from jobs in order to fill quotas of female and minority hires, and those hires are often below par and ill-suited for the positions they’re hired to fill.
Llpoh is way too out of it to understand this , Mygirl. I believe he’s LITERALLY living under a rock.
You goddamned ignorant twit. You literally don’t understand what literally means. You even capitalized it … I guess you wanted to emphasize how stupid you are.
If Llpoh “LITERALLY” lived under a rock …. hmmm, that would mean a fully grown man is actually in fact and in reality — not metaphorically — subsisting, eating, drinking, shitting, and such underneath a solid mineral material somewhere in Australia. (Which can’t be possible because they don’t make refrigerators that small.)
DO YOU REALIZE HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE??? Nope.
My man, Stuck.
These womenz are truly mad as hatters.
Stucky…I used exactly the way I meant it. It was more in a humorous way…but when I have to explain it, then yes, it loses its effect. Why do you feel the need to help Llpoh? He can fend for himself, surely?
Llpoh is from a race of Proud Warriors and you are correct … he certainly does not need my help.
However, friends help friends without being asked and, then, there is also the Superman aspect; I am helping defend Truth, Justice, and the American way.
FFS, Stucky stopping sucking LLPOH’s dick you Nazi faggot.
You’re just jealous because you haven’t sucked a dick … or even seen one ….. since the turn of the century.
I’d be nicer to me if I were you. I haven’t gone into graphic detail about how much you love for LLPOH to violently shove his old shriveled cock into the back of your throat just to hearing you gag and beg for him to stop.
Good Lawd!! Defending Truth, Justice, and the American way…YOU ARE HILARIOUS! You are defending someone who promotes doing everything you can to be a part of the system, in 2021 no less, which will make you “successful”…even if that means compromising your principles. THAT’S why I say he’s LITERALLY living under a rock! Looks like you are too. (And, yes, I used it the exact way I’m implying.)
OK. You win.
Hey, Llpoh. You’re a cunt! Let me count the ways;
1) You owned a business. CUNT!
2) You employed people. CUNT!
3) You provided well for your family. CUNT!
4) You were part of “the system”. CUNT!
5) You were a raging success. CUNT!
6) You paid taxes. CUNT!
7) You ran away to Australia. CUNT!
8) You value hard work. CUNT!
9) Apparently, you like sucking my dick. STOP IT!!
10) Lastly, you now have taken residence, no doubt for FREE, under a mineral protuberance in Australia. DOUBLE CUNT!!
I’m sorry, Llpoh. But, I had to succumb to Abigail’s superior Wit & Wisdom.
It’s a new world Stucky. You speak of a world that does not exist anymore. Enjoy reminiscing. I need to go work on lessons for my students so they understand what freedom is truly supposed to look like, how not to sell-out, and how to stay true to themselves in this world.
Make sure you teach your students that hard work is for suckers.
When you teach them to be true to themselves, don’t forget to tell them ethics are irrelevant.
And whatever you do, don’t teach them that character and freedom are even remotely related.
I pity your students. Their parents should ask for a refund.
Reading comprehension, Stucky. Go back and read my comments. You’ve missed the point entirely. Go ask for a refund on YOUR education, it didn’t take…or, on second thought, maybe it did.
If you have a skill, electrician, plumber, mechanic, welder, etc. you will always find work and be compensated nicely, regardless of the color of your skin. An Affirmative Action electrician who does not know what he/she/it is doing and burns down houses will not be working long in the industry.
Not to burst your bubble regarding hard work, ethics and character, etc. but it now appears that the AMA is going to abandon merit and ability and instead embrace critical race theory….
According to its plan, the AMA will be following a host of strategies, including implementing “racial and social justice” throughout the AMA enterprise culture, systems, policies, and practices; expanding medical education to include critical race theory; and pushing toward “racial healing, reconciliation, and transformation” regarding the organization’s own “racially discriminatory” past.
So, now you will get medical ‘professionals’ who may be mediocre if not downright inept but so long as they are of the right skin color, gender and race, they will be given precedence over qualified and talented white men. Mediocrity and political correctness will override proper qualifications. So, who wants a woke PC thoracic surgeon chopping away on them?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/american-medical-association-embraces-critical-race-theory-rejects-meritocracy
“Why would he make a decision about something that may not happen?”
Llpoh…looks like that family member is going have to start making some decisions. But…..the MONEY!!!!
What does the AMA have to do with my family members? You really are clueless, aren’t you.
I am far from clueless, you’re not reading what I wrote….
The point I was making is that you still believe in the quaint concept of hard work, character, education, etc. for getting ahead when those qualities have been tossed out the window in favor of critical race theory and ‘wokeness. ‘ Organizations like the AMA are now full social justice retard, just like Coke and Gillette et al.
Your relatives and their achievements are irrelevant in a world where merit and hard work and talent are being replaced by mediocrity and racism.
Go reread my comments, I’m not getting involved in your spat with others, I know what a communist is and you are a CAPITALIST. You are an endangered breed and most people do not know what a capitalist is. They also don’t understand what socialism is and that is the system that is in operation at present. Socialism lets people own their business on paper, but the government controls all the rest. You pay the taxes but the government tells you who to hire, what to pay, how to run the business, etc.
You honestly believe that hard work, character, education are quaint?? That these things no longer matter?
So, what are you espousing? Laziness, bad character, and ignorance?
The home-owner directly across the street from me is a Mexican. (I’m not sure if he is an American citizen) He owns his own landscaping business. He’s gone by the time I get my paper in the morning and gets back just before dark. He works his fucken ass off. He lives in a $700,000 house.
Don’t you know anyone like that?
I know this, from your writings. YOU aren’t lazy. YOU are of good character. YOU are smart. So, why doesn’t it matter?
Stuck – arguing with these crazies is like entering a dimension where insane is the norm. There is no understanding them. And no teaching them.
It is quite funny.
You and Stucky are not paying attention….you are dinosaurs in the great New World Order. I could attempt to explain myself yet again but why bother?
Here, read this and get back to me….John vs Juan
JOHN vs. JUAN
You have two families: “John Legal” and “Juan Illegal”. Both families have two parents, two children, and live in Arizona ..
John Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted
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Juan Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 in cash “under the table”.
Ready? Now pay attention….
John Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax;
John Legal now has $31,231.00.
Juan Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200 per year.Juan Illegal pays no taxes. Juan Illegal now has $31,200.00.
John Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. John Legal now has $24,031.00.
Juan Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Juan Illegal still has $31,200.00.
John Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. John Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000..00 per year. John Legal now has $18,031.00.
Juan Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Juan Illegal still has $31,200.00.
John Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. John Legal now has 9,631.00.
Juan Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal Rent Subsidy. Juan Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Juan Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.
John Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. John Legal now has $7,231.00.
Juan Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.
John Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc
Juan Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..
John Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Juan Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
John Legal’s and Juan Illegal’s children both attend the same elementary school. John Legal pays for his children’s lunches, while Juan Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Juan Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. John Legal’s children go home.
Now, when they reach college age, John Legal’s kids may not get into a State School and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though John has been paying for state schools through his taxes, while Juan Illegal’s kids “go to the head of the class” because they are a minority.
John Legal and Juan Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but John paid for them and Juan did not pay.
If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens… You are part of the problem!
You don’t grasp what I am saying or else you are being deliberately obtuse. Look carefully at the world today. Is honesty, hard work, and ethics rewarded? Look at what is in power in DC and then go examine BLM in its entirety and get back to me with your hard work, etc.
As to your possibly illegal Mexican neighbor? How much does he get working under the table and…with all the bennies given to illegals, it’s no wonder he’s living large. How many child credits? How much does he pay for health insurance? Oh, wait, he is exempt from that, isn’t he?
You’re wasting your time. Both Llpoh and Stucky are hateful and mean spirited. Nothing you say will matter because they’re both garbage human beings. Anybody who disagrees with their outdated and deranged master-slave worldview is crazy or stupid.
Llpoh and Stucky like to get together and yuck it up, pat each other on the back and reinforce each other’s viewpoint. They do it because they’ve been here for a very long time and figure they’ve earned their status as large canines.
I enjoy them, I also know when they are twisting tails and stirring shit for sport. I’ve been around men like them for most of my adult life, they test, push, threaten and bloviate and…if you hold your own with them they will grudgingly accept you and, since they aren’t idiots, I appreciate their experience and knowledge and willingness to engage in whatever it is we do here on this site.
I will venture to guess that you are very intelligent and, because of bullying, defensive about being given grief which some men are wont to do when they encounter intelligent women.
I don’t like them and I don’t find their antics amusing. I’m not interested in being accepted because I don’t respect either of them. When they can’t hold their own in a debate they both result to gaslighting, name calling, and projection. Their behavior is immature and shameful for grown men. It’s not being given grief, it’s outright disrespect.
You take them too seriously. We are commenting on a website on the internet. What we write will be like dust in the wind once the site rolls the article over for a new article.
I do this site comments for sport and because there are some intelligent people commenting here and also because it is one of the few remaining sites of this nature still existing. I can pick up information that I many not get elsewhere and, when the mood hits me, I, too, can be a tail twisting bitch, also for sport.
I enjoy what you have to say, you are well informed in certain areas and I always value intelligent input.
Don’t take them so seriously, they want to set you off and if you DON’T go off you’ve spoiled their fun.
I fully intend to treat them as they treat me. Going forward I will resort to name calling, twisting their words, and gaslighting. It’s all out war and I can be a just as nasty and hateful as them.
You may not like them, but you have to admit Stuckies antics are fucking hilarious.
Oh, I’m sure it’s hilarious that LLPOH tips Stucky an authentic mercury dime when he’s done with him. Massa pays good wages for Stucky’s dedicated servicing.
At least they’re mercury dimes. Lots of other Rocka fella types only pay a penny per comment.
PS read my comment at the bottom of the page. It may help you in your struggle to be free.
Mygirl – I doubt you know Steph. I, and Stuck at least, believe she is very troubled. And I am sincere in that. And I do hope she gets help.
The only thing sincere about you and Stucky is your faggot love for one another.
It is you who is being obtuse.
Reread my answer. I clearly and unequivocally have nothing to say about “the world”!
My answer to you regarding hard work, character, and education is clearly, plainly, and simply a personal one. It is about YOU. It is about ME. It is about US. And you know exactly that is what I meant.
But, you want to redirect to the whole fucken world? Why? It sure seems like you have taken this stance; hard work in the world doesn’t pay soooo I’m not going to personally value hard work.
If that works for you Missy, good for you. Personally, I think it sucks.
We all know your definition of hard work is being on your knees for LLPOH.
Stucky…Oh please. Quit with the false pathos and quit trying to draw me out. You know what I said, I wasn’t making any personal statements and if you want to make it about us….well, I expect a kiss and a hug if we’re going to get that close. Also a ring in due course….
Nope. I have a trust issues regarding anyone including the medical profession. Issues cemented.
The world today resembles the world that Ayn Rand described over sixty years ago. Atlas Shrugged.
Mediocre people in power, petty bureaucrats and a populace too stupid to think for themselves.
Well now you’re really bullshitting us, Llpoh.
Tell us some left-out details, please:
– how many hours did/do they work to get there and stay there?
– how often do they need to hold their noses because they know there are doing, or at least ignoring colleagues doing, severely immoral facets on their job?
– do they truly believe they earned their positions, i.e. in a fair competition they would have come out at their positions as well, or if done now they would be able to retain them?
By the way I worked in tech, before I left the US recently.
The level of bullshittery is off the charts. In several different companies [as a contractor] over a few years, it each time took me several months to go from believing “it cannot be that bad as my first impression [after a few days], somewhere there must be a few people, maybe more in the background, who really know what they are doing” to finally realizing “yes, it’s really that bad. Everybody is just pursuing the latest bullshit-bingo terms [microservices, distributed databases with ‘eventual consistency’ etc.] with no idea how that all shall work together, and stay manageable.”
Oh and Llpoh, enjoy your middle-class free future society!
1) masters degree from one of the software engineering schools in the world. Very competitive, very hard work.m
2) techies at top firms work long hours. He is on call 24/7 at least one week a month dealing with international crises as they arise, plus whatever hours.
3) never heard mention of any such thing. He works in a commercial enterprise where the focus is making money, and his role is, largely, ensuring the company meets all laws and regs of the myriad countries where they have entities, esp. the UK, and ensuring their systems are kept up to date to reflect the ever changing legal landscape.
4) he says that the talent of the people he works with is off the charts. And that would be expected given the salaries and bennies they pull. These folks make hundreds of grand a year, are in severe demand, and non-performers get shown the door by their teammates, who do the evaluations.
Middle class lifestyle must be earned via output and via competition with what is now a global economy. If people as a whole can become more efficient and productive, they will do well. But by and large that is not happening. Enjoy it has nothing to do with it. It is what it is.
Yeah, I worked in regs also for some time. It has the “benefit” that the bullshit you have to deal with is truly out of your [and your customer’s] control, as the bureaucrats/lobbyists f’ed that up all on their own and take no feedback – so it let’s your (immediate) conscience rest.
“[Company] international crisis” sounds Hollywood’esque, and I don’t put much into such flashy terms anymore. Such large crisis issues are always [at least] two-sided: 1. who built that crap that just blew up, and wasn’t it entirely foreseeable that it would fail some day soon; 2. who designed that complex almost unmanageable overall mess, that now requires top-notch craft to get to the bottom of the issue, or at least duct tape a workaround onto the output of an identified black-box?
So in other words that person you’re talking about is a “cleaner”, to go with hitman terms.
At times nice if you are one of the few people who can dig their way through undocumented mazes in a relatively short time -I count myself also to be one of those-, but in the longer term unsatisfying as you typically have zero say in trying to organize a way to straighten out the underlying structural problems, and one day you realize you are just the guy who keeps the FUBAR’ed systems running a few more days longer.
Would you clarify if those “people with talent off the charts” in your story are (mostly) ~25 year old US folks, so not counting ABC (American born Chinese) or similar into that group?
I doubt that, from my experiences.
Well, your experience is not applicable. Mostly US, but also Australians, Kiwis, and a smattering of Canadians, Indians, and Chinese. The hunt talent worldwide.
You’re awesome LLpos. Tell us more about how awesome you are.
Oh, wait … you will.
How in the fooking hell did Loopy get ANY downvotes for this? It’s raw, basic economics. If your highest skill is keypecking and you wanna get paid app sec engineering $$$, well…find another sucker or go get fucked.
I can’t speak for females but it’s been my experience that a man HAS to work to feel good about himself. I was taught early on that all work is honorable and whatever you do, you pride yourself in doing it well.
Yes
They pretend to pay, and people pretend to work. Late stage capitalism looks exactly like communism, because both are the result of a hostile elite.
I believe there is truth in this ^^^^.
Communism doesn’t HAVE to come from government, does it?
I for one have been calling jobs bullshit for some time now.
Above all, why the hell should I do work, where 70% of the worth goes to other people? The take home pay percent in modern America is worse than the average of historical slavery. They’ve also put imbeciles in charge of everything, which makes everything three times harder than it should be. Doing work myself is something like one tenth the difficulty of doing a job, and then paying someone to do something.
By the way, it’s not really so much about taxes. I mean, taxation is an issue and all, but more importantly, that 15$ per hour wage? Once you look from the employer’s side, they’re paying out 50$ an hour. THE VAST MAJORITY of your wage isn’t going to you. It’s going to the medical system, the legal system, regulatory overhead, etc. This is also why, when you hire two guys to provide any sort of service, no matter how basic, if it takes an hour, you’ll pay 100$ for their time. The company isn’t just scalping you for money, they’re actually just barely making ends meet.
The average American accumulates 4000$ in a year. That is, their net worth increases by 4000$. People who supposedly make 60000$ a year, in reality, have a couple thousand of that left when the year ends.
Stop buying stupid stuff, stop buying stuff for the sake of your job (It’s amazing how easy it is to find yourself working for effective negative wages) and it’s surprisingly easy to get your yearly expenses down close to zero.
If you set your yearly profit target at 10000$, it’s surprisingly easy to reach, you don’t have to pay income tax, and you can accumulate capital faster than the average American. Invest said capital, and if all goes well you can stop doing any work at all and just watch everything stay on autopilot.
If your investments fail, no problem, just start again. I advise men to do rock knapping, and females to lactate. This obviously doesn’t scale, but there’s plenty of demand, and nowhere near enough supply, and seriously anyone can do it.
Rock Knapping?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapping
Making stone age tools. Spears, sword tips, flint knives, arrowheads, etc.
Stone knives and bearskins.
Everyone who has been around awhile should realize you can never win an argument with the Chief, he being the greatest that ever lived of all time. That being said he knows a lot and makes valid points about business and money albeit through the lens of an America that no longer exists.
If you have a problem w labor or feeling exploited the simple answer is work for yourself. Become self employed. I did it as a plumber for 20 years starting around age 25 because all the jobs I had previous made me feel as an exploited worker. You can’t have it both ways. The security of working for someone and the rewards of being the boss. It requires a leap of faith to step out on your own and sometimes it sucks, when you start there are times when you don’t know where or when your next job is coming. If you can overcome your fear then you have a chance (not a guarantee) of success.
This country has become full of whiney assed bitches who want it all without putting in the work. I have a pansy ass nephew who has a degree from a prestigious school in bio medical some such bullshit. Top of his class, hi IQ yet the kid doesn’t have a fucking clue. He is 26 years old graduated almost four years ago and still has no job. He was offered 60 to 70K entry level positions in Texas, North Carolina and Virginia. He turned them all down because ‘muh Kalifornia’ Refused to relocate even for a year or two. He mooched of my mom living rent free in her loft for three years. After trying to help him make the right choices it became clear one day. His problem is he, like many under 40 year olds think they’re special. He can’t understand why the CEO makes so much more than the ‘WORKERS’ There is no hope for him and I spent the last year getting his punk ass kicked to the curb and out into the real world. Now he couch surfs and whines to Mom about ‘economic imbalances.’
I have met other Minis who have an old fashion work ethic and don’t complain about shit they can’t control. They work hard and try to learn. They better themselves whenever the opportunity arises. They are a small minority but they will have an unimpeded field if they survive the coming storm. bottom line if you don’t like being a slave to big biz/.Gov. Then don’t. Make up your own penis showing game.
I’ve been self-employed for most of my adult life. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
“Coups follow economic chaos.” Lenin, paraphrased.
The Federal Reserve is already structured to hand the assets of the nation to Wall Street financiers through a bankruptcy. Ref. https://genzconservative.com/the-federal-reserve-for-dummies/#_ftn3. Federal Reserve for Dummies
No work equals no eat.
“The second mistake was allowing the US government to, once again, act as private accountant of last resort, writing endless checks for Americans when jobs are clearly available.”
Slaves have jobs. Serfs have jobs. Why work when the government can take your ‘job’ or your ‘savings’. If it is not enough to raise a family, it is not dignified. The real culprits are too scary to name or pursue. Damn serfs not working. Don’t they know they should hold up muh system?! The End.
My question, why should people work if the banksters are allowed to print trillions out of thin air? The more you work, the behinder you get due to inflation. If the magic joos can print unlimited Benjamins then why not let the great unwashed sit it out at home and watch Judge Judy on the tv? If the folks want a little extra walking around money in their pockets, then let them choose to work a job but something has to give with this system of criminality.