By my calculation, if 80 fully vaxxed people died out of 5,166 full vaxxed cases, that’s a death rate of 1.55%. The death rate from Covid since last March has been .3%. I’m not good at maff, but something seems amiss.
BOSTON (WHDH) – Eighty fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents have died from COVID-19 and the number of breakthrough cases reported across the state has surpassed 5,000, new public health data shows.
As of July 17, 716 more fully vaccinated residents had tested positive for COVID-19, bringing the number of breakthrough cases statewide to 5,166, numbers released by the Massachusetts Department of Public Health indicate. There were 4,450 breakthrough cases reported last week.
Fifty-seven fully vaccinated residents were hospitalized and later died from the virus, while 23 others who were vaccinated died without going to the hospital.
A total of 272 fully vaccinated people have been hospitalized after becoming infected.
On Monday, health officials reported 717 new COVID-19 cases. The new positive cases include infections that were reported on Saturday and Sunday. Another 366 cases were reported on Tuesday as the state continues to seen an uptick in its daily case counts.
The seven-day positivity rate has also ticked up to 1.18 percent.
A large chunk of new confirmed cases in recent weeks have been among people between the ages of 20 and 59.
Boston health officials on Tuesday urged recent visitors to Provincetown to self-isolate and get tested for COVID-19 after a cluster of cases was linked to the popular Cape Cod tourist town.
More than 4,300,000 Bay Staters have been fully vaccinated since the shots became available.
People who are unvaccinated are urged to continue to wear masks, especially indoors, and those who are feeling ill should get tested for COVID-19.
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Been reading for months now how da shit-shot takers are gonna drop like flies. Is this the beginning of the end?
The pure number isn’t that important. What is really important is the death rate of 1.5% among the vaxxed cases. That is 5 TIMES the death rate of Covid in general.
I think it’s more like 5 times the rate. Probably ~ 150 mil Americans have had Covid. Supposedly > 600,000 have died from it, but even the CDC has said that 25% of those were probably mis-diagnosed. So 450,000 dead – although with an average of 4 comorbidities and mostly old folks who were close to departing anyway. Still, an infection fatality rate of ~ .3%, not .03%.
Iska – Admin has screwed the pooch. His decimal point is off. And he is comparing infection fatality rate to case fatality rate. Two entirely different things. As you have pointed out.
Maff be hart and it be rayciss.
Admin is good at math, usually, but he has put up a bad decimal point and is confusing case and infection fatality rates. He is also fixated on people who get it without looking at the percent fatality rates between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed.
There are huge numbers of cases in the UK at the moment. Very low percentages are being hospitalised and very low percentages are dying, compared with say 6 months ago. That is the fact of it. Last December there were around 70,000 UK cases a day, and around 1200 deaths a day. Today there are around 50,000 cases a day, and 50 deaths a day. Deaths have dropped from 1.5% to 0.1% of cases reported.
If you can trust the data.
The thing about Covid is that it was supposed to kill off all the fatties, but I still see them walking around. So it’s total false advertising.
They claim there have been 34 million cases, and 609,000 deaths in the US, not that you can believe those numbers. I am great at math, and that is not 0.03%. That case fatality rate is more or less 1.8%. . You are picking and choosing numbers from different sources. You are ignoring the 34 million and the 609 thousand numbers, which are highly suspect, but are accepting the current numbers, also highly suspect, and then compare the current suspect numbers against an unrelated 0.03%. Which you have either made a decimal mistake on, or have pulled entirely out of a dark and stinky place.
In fact, pretty sure no one reliable anywhere makes the claim that the infection fatality rate is 0.03 percent, which is 3/10,000. John Ionnidis, the world’s foremost expert, says the infection fatality it is between 0.15 and 0.3 percent – 1.5 to 3 out of a thousand. You have a decimal point off. No reliable published infection fatality rates anywhere that I know of suggest it is 0.03%.
Further, the 0.15 to 0.3% numbers are INFECTION FATALITY RATES. The numbers you have posted are CASE FATALITY rates, and almost all published CASE FATALITY rates are around 1.5%. Why is that? Because infections only become cases when they are reported, and there are many times more infections than reported cases. Most cases are asymptomatic.
Bad at math indeed.
Here is the Ionnidis study: https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf
It is longish, but he clearly points out the differences between case and infection fatality rates, and the variations in age related risk.
No it’s not. The death rate from COVID in general is over 2%. More important metric: Unvaccinated people
represent 40% of the adult population but account for 99.5% of the recent COVID deaths.
The CDC estimates close to 150 million people were infected. Only 34 million reported. Most don’t know they have it. So, the death rate is.3%.
Bullshit with your 99.5%. Do you know the 7 day average of deaths in the US with covid? It’s 294 out of 330 million people. It’s the fucking flu bro. You low IQ sheep believe anything thrown your way. The stupid it burns.
One can only hope…
Stucky – These are the people who are being impacted within 72 hours of the jab. The long term deaths are yet to start and I suspect is will kick into gear about the time the annual flu season. Of course, it will be the un-vaxxed who cause all of these deaths.
Population of Massachusetts 6.9 million………..
Time to self isolate at Hotel Nairobi on Martha’s Vineyard.
” recent visitors to Provincetown to self-isolate and get tested for COVID-19″……they should also be tested for aids?
Eddie,selling me mums home on the island,do your self a favor and stay off the rock!I have been visiting the rock over 30 years,very zooey this summer and more commies then ever it seems this season,you have been warned!
I’d rather go to the beach near my Grandmother’s house at L Street in Southie; near my Uncle’s house at Revere Beach or the Old reservoir back home in Arlington. Better classes of people.
Did they actually die from blood clots, etc. while testing positive for CV? Do all with injection test positive depending?
See the headlines currently that saying ‘most covid deaths had preexisting conditions’- like an unknown neurological, or heart problem maybe?
I think we should count each person that dies after receiving the injection ‘with CV’ or any so called vAriant part of the death count. I don’t believe covid 19 or any supposed variant is killing anyone now.
For those who don’t know, Provincetown is the center of the gay New England universe. There’s more than just Covid being passed around in them there dunes. If I were a disease germ looking to replicate I would probably go there and hang out.
“Think of the life you have lived until now as over and, as a dead man, see what’s left as a bonus and live it according to Nature. Love the hand that fate deals you and play it as your own, for what could be more fitting?”
Marcus Aurelius
And I am old enough to remember the swine flu vaccine being pulled after 3 deaths.
I’m old enough to remember getting sick from the Swine Flu shot.
https://thelibertyloft.com/cdc-whistleblower-claims-vaccine-death-toll-far-greater-than-vaers-is-reporting-says-attorney-filing-federal-lawsuit/
Just think how high the number of “breakthrough cases”–fuck I hate that euphemism–would be if the CDC didn’t change the rules lowering the PCR threshold for these cases alone and requiring hospitalization before being designated breakthrough.
Almost like it was the plan all along, that’s why we had the insane PR campaign to get 70% vaxxed by July 4th, So when flu season hits people will be dropping like flies and they will strip of what’s left of our freedoms away.
100% effective AND perfectly safe.
Should this type of information, VAERS data, and in general the truth get out among the masses, ‘they’ are going to have to really step up the speed of the reset. Something big must be in the works.
Very astute observation, Mr. Ass. As BS stated, they missed getting the 70% participation rate and now the results of the injection are coming home to roost. Time to go to Plan B. They just had Cyber Polygon, could that be a clue?
If they could mix polygon with a Chinese hacking story I bet they could sell it to enough people.
From same article: “more than 99 percent of those who died from COVID-19 in June were not vaccinated. “
And given that 70% of New Jersey adults are vaccinated, that means that 99% of the deaths are coming from the 30% unvaxxed, and 1% from the vaxxed. That means that an unvaxxed is around 230 times more likely to die from the virus than a vaxxed (70/30 x 99 = 231).
Hey, don’t blame me. This is Admin’s own source, and this is what it says. Seems like Admin is saying the vax works, as he is posting articles clearly making that case!
So did you personally get the shot? You sure are sounding like someone who is promoting the ‘vaccine.’
Not promoting anything. People make their own decisions. But I always object to fake news or data that is presented out of context or that is presented in such a way as to push a narrative. The vax have a great many drawbacks, but based on published data, if it can be trusted in any way, being vaxxed reduces the risk of death by 99%. It can be seen in data everywhere. The UK was having 1200 deaths a day out of 70,000 cases a day, and is now having 50 deaths a day from 50,000 cases a day., and most of the deaths are unvaxxed. Based on reported info, that means unequivocally that the vax reduces deaths. Data cannot be trusted of course.
That does not mean it is a good decision to get it, given some people – the young for instance – have very, very low chances of dying from the virus. There are risks associated with taking the vax. Does the vax risk outweigh the reduction of fatality rate from 0.3% to 0.003%? (Ie from 3/1000 to 3/100,000). That is an individual choice.
As for me, we have very little virus in Oz, and so a decision does not need to be made at this time. Wait and see how things unfold. I am not a staunch antivaxxer, nor do I think it is without risk. I am especially concerned re long term effects of the mRNA vaxes. So, I watch and wait.
Survival rate if infected with Covid has been 99.7%. So reducing the risk of death by 99% increases the survival rate to 99.8%. Wow. Sign me up for an experimental gene therapy where the manufacturer has no liability if it kills or maims me. Fun with numbers.
This from a man who uses the New York Times as a link for reliable information?
Alrighty then.
..or take vit-D, 5000 IUs daily and have some Ivermectin handy just in (the unlikely) case
Bullshit from you, as usual. The death rate has predominantly decreased in the UK because the Delta variant is far less deadly than Alpha, not because of vaccines.
Per the latest UK data the vast majority of new cases in the UK are Delta variant. For Delta variant cases, number of unvaxxed who died is 92, and number vaxxed is 163. The overall case fatality rate for Delta is 0.2% (compared to 1.6% for Alpha), while for people under 50 years old it is 0.02%. The unvaxxed are mostly in that younger age group.
The vax does seem to have reduced the death rate for the elderly, so it has some benefit, but not as much as the difference in variants.
Quoting Fauci as his source for the truth. Now that is really really funny. If you believe Fauci, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you chief. Reading comprehension isn’t your strong point, as Saint Fauci was talking about the country – not NJ.
You sure seem to be a vaxx supporter. Do you own some Pfizer stock?
It’s pretty clear you got the vaxx and are doing some PR to make you feel good about your decision.
You posted the article, not me. You say now that your source is not reliable? How about the 0.03% death rate bullshit you posted earlier? You still stand by that? Because that is total horseshit.
You are pushing a narrative and are manipulating data left, right and center. All data available anywhere in the world is showing that the vax reduces the chance of death by 99% if the person catches the virus. The vax does not eliminate the chance of catching it.
You keep banging on about people being vaccinated catching the virus, which is true. But you are ignoring the fact that virtually all of them survive, and that hospital admissions of those are 90% lower, and deaths are 99+% lower than unvaxxed who catch it.
It is me you are now talking to. Not some math challenged sheep. I am the best analyst of these type numbers you will ever or have ever encountered. And you know that. There are plenty of real reasons that makes the vax undesirable. But the numbers you are pushing are not supported by data.
99.7% survival rate for anyone who got Covid. 99% increase in survival rate gets you to 99.8%. Wow. Sign me up for an experimental gene therapy from manufacturers with no liability for any adverse reactions or deaths from their concoction. This crap was tested for a few months and was only given EUA because they lied that ivermectin and hydroxychloquine didn’t work. Science and studies have proved they do work.
So now you are saying that the 0.03 was wrong. I know it was a typo.
We are in agreement re the damage done to the world being insignificant and the costs too great. And that the vax should not be being required. But the data you have pushed is inaccurate re the effectiveness of the vax. It works re reducing hospitalisation and deaths based on data available from a great many sources. Whether it is a worthwhile reduction is up for debate.
It changes the IFR from 99.7% to 99. 997% more or less. Not 99.8 as you suggest. Is that meaningful? Each individual will need to make that decision. Based on real info.
The world should never have closed. The real info on side effects of the vax should be made clear, to be weighed against the benefits. The real case numbers should be made available, and the real death numbers be made available, not the bullshit 609,000 that is claimed.
I want truth. And it is damn hard to come by.
My original post had the decimal in the wrong place. It should have been .3%.
The cases, hospitalizations and deaths were plunging before the vaccine ever rolled out in large quantities, so there really is no way to know for sure whether covid was going to burn out on its own or not. The “experts” declared it was all due to the vaccine. That is a lie. Now that cases are going back up, they are blaming it on the unvaxxed. That is a lie too.
I don’t believe anything I’m being told by my government, Fauci, the media, or the Pharma companies.
There is NO ONE who knows the long-term effects of the gene therapies. Based on the amount of short-term adverse reactions, I believe there will be worse long-term implications.
I have my supply of ivermectin and hydroxchloroquine. Proven and safe treatments.
I don’t believe much of anything I am told by anybody. I was born grumpy and it went downhill.
I believe the ivermectin is pretty good, based on a lot of data coming in. The hydroxy perhaps less so but nothing to lose.
What would you do without me? I am the only one that can stand toe to toe with you on numbers. And it makes for interesting exchanges. We have always battled the minutiae.
This was a minor skirmish compared to the OWS days.
The IFR of Covid Classic among all age groups of has been .30%, but the IFR for people under age 35 has been .004% (4 dead out of 100,000 infected). For children it’s been even less (no more than half as deadly as the flu). The vaccines may be a good bet for people over 80, but they’re absolutely unnecessary for children. And since some children have had bad vaccine effects – and the vaccines are experimental and new – pushing the vaccines for children is unethical.
The “delta variant” is even less deadly than Covid Classic. You can tell that just by how they’re not talking about IFR or CFR of “New Covid”.
Ivermectin does seem to work pretty well. Hydroxy data is much less clear.
Should ivermectin be the alternative to the vax? Now that is a real possibility, but no money in that.
NAC, Vitamin D and Quercetin also work, Quercetin has an potential capability to interfere with SARS-CoV-2 replication. All are available at the local health food store.
We have been taking large doses of Vitamin D for years. I also take curcumin because I read it helps fight alzheimers, which runs rampant in my family. I read that curcumin has also been found to reduce Covid symptoms.
You are on a train from New York to Chicago with 1,000 passengers. Some are vaccinated and some are not, but 99% of deaths are from the unvaxxed. 30 vaxxed passengers have died before getting halfway to the destination. How many passengers have thus far died on the train?
30?
2,901.
Thanks for posting the Ionnidis paper, ahh the comforting previous world where IFR vs CFR meant something. The CDC and WHO set their own math trap when they made asymptomatic positive tests synonymous with cases, invalidating Koch’s definition, so Admin’s math is indeed apples-apples. You don’t get to bitch-switch back . On top of that, CDC policy is now to administer a lower 28-cycle threshold PCR test to vaccinated subjects only when they show up symptomatic, so fully vaxxed positives tilted much further into apples-oranges territory. It’s early and the sample size is still small but it’s starting to look a lot like effective titer wears off after 4-6 months, with confirmatory results in England and Israel. The vaccine imparts a level of protection, but it does not impart sterilization from infection, transmission, or death and the data is in. We’re staring down the barrel of ADE.
I am not against vaccines, yet. I do have to wonder though. The wife and I were just informed that we might want to go in for another shingles vaccination because the one we received a few years back has proven to be ineffective.
You do know it’s not actually a vaccine? It’s an injected medical device to get your body to produce a toxin (the spike protein).
This moron got Bell’s palsy from the covid shot, so he got another dose and got it again on the other side.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/93643
Well deserved. Karma gonna get me.
I feel so sick to my stomach, I mean fear. Most of my family, including my two (37-39 year old) kids, took the jab.
I hope Ivermectin will help.
The death rate from COVID since last year is over 2%. You’re definitely not good at math.
Dumbass says what?
CDC? I have no idea if it’s higher or lower than they’re saying, but I am sure that the CDC are a bunch of liars.