The People Are Unaware of the War Being Conducted Against Them

Guest Post by Paul Craig Roberts

As my long-time readers know, I have experienced much in my life at high levels of government, journalism, academia, and business. Yet I am stunned by the depth and breadth of the organized conspiracy working in behalf of the orchestrated “Covid pandemic.” Washington, shielded by a whore media, has long lied to us about everything -— 9/11, weapons of mass destruction, Assad’s use of chemical weapons, Iranian nukes, Russian invasions, Osama bin Laden, Muammar Gaddafi, Russiagate, Trump insurrection. Currently lies are being used to damage Americans with a “vaccine” that is more dangerous than the virus.

The extent of the propaganda in behalf of a “vaccine” that is known not to protect but to cause death and serious health impairments, and against known proven cures increasingly used world wide, is astounding. Even in the red state of Georgia, the Georgia Department of Public Health has pharmacies delivering prescriptions in bags with a smiling young woman saying in 2 inch high letters: COVID VACCINE. I SAID YES! SO I CAN STAY IN MY CLASSROOM.

Before we proceed, think about the message. In order to go to school she had to take the mRNA “vaccine” known to be especially dangerous to young people. In “free democratic America” school children are being coerced into accepting what has in our previous history been unacceptable risks. Never in history has a “vaccine” associated with even a tiny fraction of deaths as the mRNA vaccine been permitted to remain in use. Despite the known and proven danger of the mRNA vaccine to the young, the criminal organization known as Pfizer is putting pressure on its servants at FDA to approve the injection of 5-year olds with the deadly substance. The chances are high that every five-year old injected will be infertile.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/pfizer-formally-asks-drug-regulators-to-let-kids-as-young-as-5-get-its-covid-19-vaccine_4036989.html?utm_source=Morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-10-08&mktids=1a69496352d8ee2e4c76e4ae0487ee3c&est=gpFTDxYhp3%2BC7FGnEG0b5DK14zxk4vTLB8e7T%2F4ToGyYcdv8owjRFA%3D%3D

What is the agenda that can reach down so far as to plant and control the message on prescription bags from pharmacies?

Obviously profit for Big Pharma. Obviously control over people and ability to dictate their decisions by government. Obviously from what we are learning about the impact of the mRNA vaccine on human fertility, population control. To succeed in reducing the population, you have to kill off the young or make them infertile. Thus the drive to vaccinate 5-year old children.

There are no other explanations for the determined censoring of renowned experts and Nobel laureates who keep blowing the whistle and issuing warnings. There are no other explanations for hospitals refusing to report adverse reactions to the vaccine and refusing to save Covid patients lives by treating them with HCQ or Ivermectin. There are no other explanations for the medical establishment to pretend that variants are not the products of the vaccine itself.

Considering the fact that the mRNA “vaccine” was rushed into use without the necessary trials under an “emergency use authorization,” where is the credibility of the medical establishments’ claim that although HCQ and Ivermectin have a perfect safety record after 60 years of human use, no doctor should prescribe them because there are no trials determining their effectiveness on Covid?

In other words the position of the American Medical Establishment is that we can give you a life-threatening injection on an emergency basis without trials, but not a known cure increasingly used world wide safely and effectively to prevent and to cure Covid. https://ippocrateorg.org/en/

Over the course of my lifetime in the United States I have watched all moral values be replaced by the greed for, and pursuit of, money. Nevertheless, it is difficult to believe that Big Pharma, media, Biden, the American Medical Association, hospitals, pharmacists, school boards, governors, private employers would so willingly coerce Americans into accepting dangerous injections in order to keep their jobs, go to school, go out for an evening, and travel only for the purpose of enriching Pfizer, Moderna, and the rest.

There are now tens of thousands of doctors, nurses, medical professionals, and scientists who dissent from the Covid protocol being imposed on Western countries. Their voices are suppressed. Their jobs and medical licenses are threatened. Despite having all the facts on their side, they are denounced for “Covid disinformation.”

On October 8, 2021, I heard on NPR in behalf of vaccination, which the pharmaceutical companies themselves admit does not protect beyond 6 months (the protection declines daily), propaganda so blatant that it would have astonished Stalin, Mao, and Hitler. NPR intentionally withheld from the listening audience the proven established facts that the mRNA “vaccine” (1) is associated with a historic high rate of health injuries and deaths, (2) produces variants immune to the vaccine, thereby requiring endless boosters, and (3) shuts down and destroys your natural immunity leaving you dependent for life on Big Pharma.

Why did National Public radio withhold this known information and engage in purposefully deceiving its gullible audience? Possibly the weak minded NPR crowd are afraid to offend those who control the Covid narrative by being real journalists. NPR is accustomed to being mouthpieces for donors, and I suspect you can safely bet your life that Big Pharma, indirectly if not directly, has bought NPR’s reporting. Unfortunately, America has no investigative media to look into this question.

America is a place where lies are verified as truth by CNN, MSNBC, NPR, New York Times, Washington Post, Associated Press, and multitudes of Internet sites financed by the Establishment that controls our opinions and renders us impotent by programming us with lies.

Many books, articles, and movies over the years predicted the triumph of secret agendas over gullible insouciant peoples to be humanity’s fate.

I watch this happen every day. Are people, especially those in the West, too stupid and trusting to survive?

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185 Comments
Heywood Jablomi
Heywood Jablomi
October 12, 2021 8:54 am

Are people, especially those in the West, too stupid and trusting to survive?

Yes.

Winchester
Winchester
  Heywood Jablomi
October 12, 2021 9:05 am

My biggest fear at this point is the sheer number of low IQ people who lack the ability to critically think. These people are going to be the ones suffering when this all comes to a head. There may be too many to fend off when they come demanding food from those of us who prepared.

m
m
  Winchester
October 12, 2021 9:14 am

I have a much bigger problem with the high IQ people who lack the ability to critically think – or at least use that as grounds for plausible denial.

Steve
Steve
  m
October 12, 2021 10:25 am

Beat me to it! I’m staggered at how many people I once respected for their intelligence, but who have swallowed this hook, line and sinker.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Steve
October 12, 2021 12:01 pm

there is a sucker born every second 🙂 should have sent them the George Karlyn stand up

JoeBob
JoeBob
  m
October 12, 2021 10:26 am

It seems to me that the high IQ people who are unable to think critically have no moral code, no creed, no foundation.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  JoeBob
October 12, 2021 12:02 pm

majority overrules if there’s more stupid people than smart people well guess what your stupid

JoeBob
JoeBob
  Anonymous
October 12, 2021 1:08 pm

LMAO. You are unable to spell very simple words. You’re stupid.

Winchester
Winchester
  m
October 12, 2021 10:50 am

Yes this is true…so lets stick with “people who lack the ability to critically think”.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Winchester
October 12, 2021 12:02 pm

little too late for that buddy, gl have fun out there

Winchester
Winchester
  Anonymous
October 12, 2021 12:23 pm

I will do just fine man

drewtho
drewtho
  Winchester
October 12, 2021 2:48 pm

……cognitive dissonance: Seeing and admitting to themselves what is happening will necessitate moving out of their comfort zones. They will even take the death jab in order to maintain their delusion that everything will be ok if they keep pretending it will.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  m
October 12, 2021 12:00 pm

high iq is no different than low iq you guys sit back and all talk no action xD bunch of dummies you should know majority overrules so you fall under the category of dummy XD

Realismatwork
Realismatwork
  m
October 12, 2021 4:06 pm

I think it may be that the scale of the corruption is beyond most trusting people’s capacity to believe is possible . From all IQ’s ……. but the truth IS getting out slowly

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
  Winchester
October 12, 2021 10:58 am

Its an I Q test. The vax is the pandemic.

ruth
ruth
  Billy Bob
October 12, 2021 3:00 pm

nothing to do with IQ and everything to do with compliance thorough peer pressure. Younger people below 40 have been taught feeling are more important than facts. Schools pushed compliance over critical thought. A news article from 1968 Stated that at the witch’s coven convention in Mexico City had come back with a way to indoctrinate more people into satanism they needed to put witches in all classrooms. I have been watching this happen over the last 50+ years

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
  ruth
October 12, 2021 5:30 pm

I could swear some of my teachers were witches. And a few were bitches.

A Dolphin Haydn
A Dolphin Haydn
  Billy Bob
October 12, 2021 3:39 pm

I have pointed this out before on-line (maybe was TBP, maybe elsewhere), but here I go again…

“Pandemic” quite simply and literally means “all the people” — so it’s as simple as when _they_ say they want to crush the pandemic, they ain’t kidding.

Of course only I Q of a certain level along with literacy in English etymology and a bit of greek and latin would empower a person to perceive that.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Winchester
October 12, 2021 11:59 am

what do you think those jabby doo doo’s are for xD like steve quayle said: the tiniest germ can take out the toughest bad xD he fking nailed it alright

No Thanks
No Thanks
  Winchester
October 12, 2021 11:59 am

They are the ones that will die of lead poisoning because we all know they have 5-7 days worth of supplies/food in their home if that. If these past 2 years wasn’t enough to open their eyes well, nothing will at this point.

Ken31
Ken31
  Winchester
October 12, 2021 12:55 pm

The culture has been highly dysgenic for a long time. The 60s accelerated that. From a breeding standpoint (disregarding human considerations), it is time for some strong selection pressures.

Nolan Parker
Nolan Parker
  Winchester
October 12, 2021 1:27 pm

I’ll join in. Family members one a nurse and her husband A really intelligent guy both having survived covid and both getting The Jab. I’m just a conspiracy theorist who is not to be listened to.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Nolan Parker
October 12, 2021 1:57 pm

There are a lot of us out there.

Yahsure
Yahsure
  Heywood Jablomi
October 12, 2021 10:05 am

Many are choosing their job(money) over their health. But Yeah, many just are not that bright, and way too trusting of the Gov.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
  Yahsure
October 12, 2021 10:59 am

They have chosen to embrace “the great delusion”. I read that somewhere.

Rog
Rog
  Yahsure
October 12, 2021 11:29 am

Just like the time during Great Depression so many Fools sequestered their hard earned Gold back to the g. O. V. Because they unknowingly believed that the U S institution would be there when the people (sea) needed them. So went the food lines. Look familiar? Last year all the food lines. Same thing here with the fake savior jab I want to wrap my head with duct tape because I almost cannot handle the stupidity of the majority of the (sea) people. Why would anyone trust anything proposed by any institution that has and will continue to exploit their own peoples continually?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Rog
October 12, 2021 12:05 pm

its called history repeats itself, too many idiots on the planet anyways they need a good culling of the stupid i don’t blame them

mark
mark
  Rog
October 12, 2021 5:34 pm

Rog,

According to this book only 2/5ths of Americans actually turned their Gold in to FDR (the FED) and the vast majority of them were in the cities.

It was a massive BLUFF!

Just like the mandates.

Some things will never change.
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Anonymous
Anonymous
  Yahsure
October 12, 2021 12:04 pm

some people are afraid of change and they will get the jab just to keep their job or do it for there kids and family thinking their doing the right thing, oh well it is what it is don’t hate the player hate the game

DS
DS
  Yahsure
October 12, 2021 12:49 pm

Normalcy bias

mark
mark
  DS
October 12, 2021 6:32 pm

Add in some…Situational Un-Awareness.

DS
DS
  mark
October 14, 2021 3:41 pm

True enough

A Dolphin Haydn
A Dolphin Haydn
  Yahsure
October 12, 2021 3:41 pm

God or Mammon? … distills down to God or Gov?

Steve
Steve
  Heywood Jablomi
October 12, 2021 10:25 am

Yes and Yes.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
  Heywood Jablomi
October 12, 2021 10:57 am

You beat me to it. It is obvious.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Heywood Jablomi
October 12, 2021 11:57 am

were you just born last night to ask such a stupid question?

No Thanks
No Thanks
  Heywood Jablomi
October 12, 2021 11:57 am

God there are so many things going on. The vast majority are just truly clueless beyond words. Most think this situation will be over down the road a bit and everything will go back to “normal” so to speak. I have been telling people for the past 10 years – these times were coming and to stock up food, water, etc, etc but of course 99.999 laughed, thought I was nuts and so on. I am still trying to tell them now and most do NOTHING. My own family are too thick headed to do as I have been telling them. SO when it all goes to $hit – do NOT come to my house because I have Nothing for ya friends.

drewtho
drewtho
  Heywood Jablomi
October 12, 2021 2:42 pm

…..sadly yes they are gaslighted and too lazy to apply their intellect

Ginger
Ginger
October 12, 2021 8:56 am

The war began at a tree and ended at a tree.
The collateral damage still goes on though, but soon that will end.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Ginger
October 12, 2021 12:06 pm

and if todays war broke out it will be over within 1 hour

Balbinus
Balbinus
  Ginger
October 12, 2021 5:37 pm

Excellent prophetic statment. Few will understand.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Balbinus
October 12, 2021 7:23 pm

Judeo-Christian propaganda. The tree of knowledge and the True Cross and the End Times that are imminent again! Read your NT to see how long the End Times have been imminent.

1 Corinthians 7:29-31 (NASB 1995):

29 But this I say, brethren, the time has been shortened, so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none;

30 and those who weep, as though they did not weep; and those who rejoice, as though they did not rejoice; and those who buy, as though they did not possess;

31 and those who use the world, as though they did not make full use of it; for the form of this world is passing away.

Matthew 24:32-5 (NASB 1995):

32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near;

33 so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.

34 “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

35 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

I wish I could keep up with you Christian sages. You are so wise. It’s any day now.

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Foot in the Forest
Foot in the Forest
October 12, 2021 9:12 am

Sheep need shearing and the Amerikan sheep are long overdue. If your head is still in the sand, good it is easier to lop off your head. Sorry if this sounds mean to you but BAAAAAAAAA

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Foot in the Forest
October 12, 2021 12:07 pm

they cant cull the supid fast enough i dont blame them

ruth
ruth
  Foot in the Forest
October 12, 2021 3:08 pm

the really stupid one are those that belong to one of secret societies and think Satan the great deceiver is their savior

Year negative 0ne
Year negative 0ne
  Foot in the Forest
October 12, 2021 4:28 pm

Consider being the better shepherd than the wolves they follow now.

We need a restoration of societal trust, personal responsibility, and rule-of-law more than we need a NWO manufactured civil war of innocent against innocent that the sociopath class watches and laughs about from their high towers.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  Year negative 0ne
October 12, 2021 5:40 pm

Well said

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Year negative 0ne
October 12, 2021 7:32 pm

Consider being the better shepherd than the wolves they follow now.

Why should I pay the freight for subhuman success. That’s exactly how we got here. Sheeple don’t pay the political bills. If you don’t like that, like this: BAAAHHH.

Year negative 0ne
Year negative 0ne
  'Reality' Doug
October 12, 2021 7:36 pm

Because we need all the help we can get, brother.

Just Thinking
Just Thinking
October 12, 2021 9:59 am

Being a glass-half-full kinda guy, it appears the upside is that everyone who got jabbed will not be with us in 5-10 years. Boost away!!

In the immortal words of Major Frank Burns: “That’ll fix their little red wagon”

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
  Just Thinking
October 12, 2021 11:00 am

Im not a glass half full, glass half empty kinda guy. I see the glass as being 100% contaminated by media.

DS
DS
  Billy Bob
October 12, 2021 12:52 pm

BB — is there juice in the glass?

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  DS
October 12, 2021 2:01 pm

I think it’s piss.

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Balbinus
Balbinus
  DS
October 12, 2021 5:43 pm

A Bowleyism. It matters not whether the glass is half full or empty. Someone is going to have to wash the glass.

mark
mark
  Balbinus
October 12, 2021 6:36 pm

They will tell 50% of the country its Orange Juice…on TV…and they will be believed.

I call it piss un-awareness…

Year negative 0ne
Year negative 0ne
  Just Thinking
October 12, 2021 1:23 pm

God will provide and NWO victims will be your deliverance.

First, stop unfriending, insulting, or shaming your associates who got vaxx-19. Second, when some small percentage of them become vaxx cripples and realize they were suckered and their reproductive options or lifetimes destroyed, remind them of the sociopaths who decietfully did this to them. Next, patriotically teach them how to safely but effectively handle a simple rifle for national and personal self-defense.

Finally, justice will inspire enough 100s of thousands of them to rebalance the tyrant-slave power equation. Their true victim status will guide them to do what we can not. Thus always, to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, good and hard.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  Year negative 0ne
October 12, 2021 7:35 pm

m and mark had a love child, and the delivery of that bundle of joy is the new cult epoch. Yah! Let’s crawl back into the womb!

mark
mark
  'Reality' Doug
October 12, 2021 8:22 pm

Phttttt….

I have no idea what your reference about m is…just popping in and out…on limited threads…but you used my name???

Have you found a woman or at least a gun yet sad Shame? You told us you pine for both?

You of the self-confessed late night mommy and daddy issues…with the rattling of empty vodka bottles in the background talk about crawling back into the womb?

Please Shame…go away…I have to leave to drive a long distance to a funeral in the morning…I have no time for your pseudo-intellectual lurking BS.

Stay away from me…I really don’t like you.
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Ghost
Ghost
  Just Thinking
October 14, 2021 3:56 pm
JoeBob
JoeBob
October 12, 2021 10:21 am

Stupid people lose. It is a law of nature. How many other lives they ruin is unknowable at this time.

It is painfully obvious to me that an overwhelming majority of Americans have turned their back on The Light, and have willfully chosen to wander in The Darkness.

You reap what you sow.

NtroP
NtroP
October 12, 2021 10:32 am

Trying my damndest to not be insouciant!!!

Red River D
Red River D
  NtroP
October 12, 2021 10:48 am

Remember also not to be mendacious, obstreperous or pusillanimous!!!

Ouirphuqd
Ouirphuqd
October 12, 2021 10:59 am

It’s called the law of diminishing returns, more government equals more governance. The vast majority of of the sheeple are clueless, they wish to be ordered around. They don’t realize that the more they want, the less they get, the less they get the more they want. It’s just going to have to play itself out, it’s a damn shame!

RJ
RJ
October 12, 2021 11:28 am

Since 1913, if not earlier.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  RJ
October 12, 2021 2:02 pm

Since Gen 3…

Red River D
Red River D
  grace country pastor
October 12, 2021 2:39 pm

Now the Serpent was MORE crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made…

Actually since Genesis 1:2

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Red River D
October 12, 2021 2:53 pm

Genesis 1:31 KJB… “And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”

Red River D
Red River D
  grace country pastor
October 12, 2021 3:13 pm

Everything He had made was very good.

But in Genesis 1:2, Darkness was hovering over the Abyss just as the Spirit of God was hovering over the Waters. Darkness was already mimicking and counterfeiting God’s work.

The union of the Spirit of God and the Waters brought forth the LIGHT.

And the unholy union of Darkness and the Abyss hadn’t brought its offspring to bear. Yet.

And note: The Serpent was MORE crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had created. The Scripture does not say, the craftiest of all He had made, but the Serpent was MORE crafty than any God had made.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 1:03 pm

I don’t buy the gap.

Revelation 21:1 KJB… “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”

If so, this verse would have to read “the second… were passed away”.

Red River D
Red River D
  grace country pastor
October 13, 2021 3:37 pm

“…I don’t buy the gap…”

Neither do I. Nor am I advocating it. Six Days is six days. The Word is clear.

My suggestion is that LIGHT and DARKNESS are not to be thought of merely as descriptives, but rather as a Person (Christ) and an Entity (the counterfeit of Christ).

The Spirit of God was fruitful immediately:

And God said LET LIGHT BE… and Light was.

But the ‘spirit’ (if you will) of Darkness was not fruitful. Nothing came forth from the Abyss. And nothing does, until Revelation chapter 13.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Red River D
October 14, 2021 2:05 pm

Consider: darkness was not a created thing. God did not “create” darkness. It exists as a result of the lack of light. Darkness in Gen 1:1 exists simply because Gods Spirit had not yet moved through space upon matter over time. To ascribe darkness (at least here, in the beginning) “entity” status is adding something which is not there. As the gap theory also does by adding an entire world between 1:1 and 1:2…

Can we now describe darkness as evil. Most definitely.

Red River D
Red River D
  grace country pastor
October 14, 2021 3:28 pm

The evil and the imperfection had to come from somewhere, since you and I both agree that the Word is true when it says God saw that all He had created was very good.

The evil worked through Eve in the Garden. Paul made the point that the Serpent approached her, rather than Adam, for a reason.

Consider this also before you go: the idea taught in seminaries about ‘creatio ex nihilo’ is not supported biblically. Genesis 1 teaches, and the Apostle Peter confirms, that everything was created out of Water.

Contrast that with the work of Darkness. Everything is un-created through the agency of the Abyss. A course of biblical study on this Abyss (TEHOM in Hebrew and Abyssos in Greek — the Greek word appearing nine times in the NT, nine being the biblical number for birth)…

…is most informative. The Abyss is none other than the womb the children of wrath are so intent on throwing themselves into. By so doing, they despise their birthright. The Red. This is the abysmal inversion of God’s process of creation. Reversal and undoing of God’s created order.

But the twin brother of The Red is still blind, in part.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Red River D
October 15, 2021 1:08 pm

I get most of what you’re saying Red! Evil comes from ego. Lucifer must have found that in himself; as he then transferred it to the weaker Eve and so did Adam have the responsibility to stop it. We can see clearly how that turned out.

I’ve never attended a seminary as what they teach is Bible unbelief. I do see everything material coming from water; but if not ex nihilo, how then did the water begin?

Gen 1:1… “In the beginning (our linear existence begins) God created the heaven (physical space) and the earth (matter, water if you will).” I can get behind that!

Stucky
Stucky
  Red River D
October 12, 2021 3:32 pm

I wonder if you would CONSIDER that the word “serpent” in Genesis is a poor, or even incorrect translation.

IMHO, it is incorrect. The actual word makes much more sense theologically, and fits the entire narrative better. Actually, the real word is fascinating.

You’ll have to do your own research if you’re interested. I no longer work for free.

Red River D
Red River D
  Stucky
October 12, 2021 3:49 pm

I’m a student of the ancient languages, Stucky.

Your claim that ‘serpent’ is an insufficient translation is not without merit.

No one knows what a ‘whispering, shining one’ actually is, unless he’s been at this study for a long time. Longer even than me. I don’t know exactly what the NACHASH is, but I do know what it is not. It is no fallen angel, as traditional Christendom has come to teach.

I know that the NACHASH is an emergent entity; it is the inevitable and the ultimate result of man’s rebellion against God. It is not real in any material sense. But it exists, nonetheless. In it, the BEING of God is darkly reflected in the NON-BEING of the anti-god. It is able to speak. It is able to influence mankind directly and indirectly. And it has come to be able to directly influence material in this world, albeit only recently. It is not conscious. Just as the serpent is not conscious. Cut off a snake’s head, and it will continue its unconscious existence even without its body for an hour or more. The earthly serpent is a creature purely of instinct and appetite.

But there they were, the ultimate consequences of man’s rebellion against God, waiting, lurking in the Garden even before Eve had decided to put forth her hand…

…even though the ultimate expression of that rebellion could never have existed if Eve had denied the impulse to do so or if Adam had refused to heed his wife instead of God.

A more perfect image of predestination can not be found.

Stucky
Stucky
  Red River D
October 12, 2021 4:47 pm

Nachash..Well done, Kimosabee.

A living, cognizant, or self-aware intelligent (albeit, evil) being creating havoc in the Garden makes much more sense, on multiple levels, than a Talking Snake.

Appreciate you not calling me a Dumbfuk. 🤪

Red River D
Red River D
  Stucky
October 12, 2021 5:25 pm

Whatever your shortcomings may or may not be, Mr. Stucky…

…you is no idjit.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Stucky
October 12, 2021 5:25 pm

I guessed that you discounted most of what I post:

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum

‘lizards from space’….sheesh

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Red River D
October 12, 2021 5:42 pm

[I don’t know exactly what the NACHASH is, but I do know what it is not. It is no fallen angel, as traditional Christendom has come to teach.

I know that the NACHASH is an emergent entity; it is the inevitable and the ultimate result of man’s rebellion against God.]

[But there they were, the ultimate consequences of man’s rebellion against God, waiting, lurking in the Garden even before Eve had decided to put forth her hand…]

I’ve followed a fair number of individuals/etymologists as they conducted eschatological exegesis of scriptures/scrolls……..IMHO anything short of the Biblical foundation ‘bumpers’ is heading to a ditch.

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum

Red River D
Red River D
  ordo ab chao
October 12, 2021 7:02 pm

“…anything short of the Biblical foundation ‘bumpers’ is heading to a ditch…”

All of my beliefs on the matter are strictly supported by the Scriptures. If I can’t (legitimately) support a contention with the written Word, then I discard the matter as being unfounded.

The contention that the Serpent is a fallen angel, is falsified by the Scriptures.

The Serpent is unique. The Serpent is anti-light, anti-truth, anti-life and anti-God.

It is not an equal of the Living God, but can only be understood in the way the Darkness is understood by juxtaposition with the Light.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 1:05 pm

Revelation 12:9 KJB… “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

DS
DS
  grace country pastor
October 14, 2021 3:52 pm

Some priest or rabbi just wrote that and inserted it later

Vigilant
Vigilant
  Red River D
October 12, 2021 8:26 pm

Nachash is a seraphim, a fiery serpent, not a snake as we know one. More like Quetzalcoatl. Probably interdimensional. Check out Michael Heiser’s explanation.

Stucky
Stucky
  Vigilant
October 12, 2021 9:42 pm

Heiser is considered a major heretic by most mainstream scholars and the Christian flock.

I recently read his latest book. I liked it, a lot. Naturally.`

Red River D
Red River D
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 1:58 am

Most mainstream Christian scholars would (as indeed many do) think of me as a heretic as well.

Here’s an acceptable definition of the term:

…a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.

I have my own hermeneutic, my own exegesis, and my own eschatology. By ‘my own’ I mean I took these things directly from the Scriptures and not from the teachings of any man or institution of men. This scares the shit out of most mainline evangelicals and sundry holy rollers. They don’t like me because they’ve never heard the things I say, which are often not very comfortable to hear.

However, my Christology tends to align very closely with traditional Christian orthodoxy.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 4:05 am

Good mornin’ Red River…

“I mean I took these things directly from the Scriptures and not from the teachings of any man or institution of men.”

Admittedly, it’s a fascinating subject, albeit your description of the nacash sounds like peyote powered pasture preachin’….lol

But seriously, what does this all have to do with men’s souls? I began with a KJVB, reading it in despair cover to cover for the first two or three years, knowing nothing of Hebrew/Greek, Aramic, dead sea scrolls, etc. etc……but I did know my dad was dead, and suffered !

My own hermeneutics arrived at a conclusion very, very much like GCP’s position-GRACE !

I can’t go into detail hardly on any subject….this comment so far this has taken nearly 45 min. to type…frustrating erratic cursor, delayed display….sorry, would like to continue cause I ain’t skeered….

Red River D
Red River D
  ordo ab chao
October 13, 2021 11:00 am

OAC wrote:

“…But seriously, what does this all have to do with men’s souls?…”

We are not to be ignorant of the Adversary or his ways. To understand what motivates and animates ‘the god of this world’ is to see more clearly what the LORD is protecting us from in His Instructions to us. Moreover, to make sense of what Satan is and what Satan wants, is to make sense of this dying world — why things are the way they are and why people do the (seemingly) inexplicable things they do. Understanding the darkness that is within mankind is a worthy study.

GRACE is a valid conclusion, but it must be understood in light of what the Scriptures teach. The word ‘IF’ is perhaps the most important word in the entire Bible. The LORD our God lays down the conditions for the promises He makes. Note well the idea of ‘unconditional love’ is not a biblically-valid idea. Biblical ‘love’ carries a SWORD and He teaches us a great many things about His will and His WAY.

Grace is contingent upon our belief. Belief must be a biblically-valid belief; not the invalid and unprofitable so-called belief which many men have. We must do the things He has asked us to do. We must put our house in order. And if we truly believe in Him, then we will do as He has commanded. We are either in process of being remade in His image, or we delude ourselves.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 11:10 am

Red River…do you mind sharing your background and studies? Also, what your profession is/was? Just curious.

I appreciate your posts. Good stuff.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 13, 2021 11:28 am

Didn’t you say a couple of days ago that TBP was so populated by idiots that you felt you could no longer spend any of your valuable time here?

Oh, yes, you did.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 11:37 am

I said there were a few who are worthy here. Red River is one of them.

Go away and let the adults talk.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 13, 2021 1:21 pm

LIAR!!! Here are your words, verbatim;

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“I’M DONE WITH TBP. I’ve got way more important shit to do than waste my time here.

I don’t fit in here – never will with the MAJORITY.

While there are some good people here, it’s VERY FEW, and the majority here don’t think much differently than what can be found in the real world.

I got enough of that shit going on in the real world to put up with it here.”

.

The Great Southwest Airlines Rebellion?

==========

Shall we summarize?

You denigrate most of TBP. You said the majority of people here are not good people, posting here is a waste of time, AND THAT YOU WOULD LEAVE.

Keep your promise …. go away, and don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 1:28 pm

You are the biggest MAN BABY I have ever come across. Sad.

Red River…you really got your work cut out for you with this one. He needs a lot of help.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 13, 2021 2:46 pm

Someone on FB wrote that your vagina smells like rotten elderberries. You should get that checked out.

YOU said;

““I’M DONE WITH TBP. I’ve got way more important shit to do than waste my time here.”

Keep your promise. Take your #elderberryginny and take a hike.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 3:00 pm

I’d stop thinking about it, Stucky. Not like you’ll ever get near it anyway.

It’s amazing how upset you get when a female, probably half your age, won’t put up with your BS.

I wasn’t even commenting to you, yet you throw yourself in the middle and belittle me. Red River wrote beautiful words here and you come along with your disgusting filth and mess it up.

Somewhere he asked what is Satan…I believe you are answering his question, loud & clear.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 13, 2021 3:38 pm

You said most TPBers are bad people. You said posting here is a waste of time. You said you would leave.

Keep your promise. Get lost.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 3:46 pm

Here’s the thing, Stucky, you don’t get to tell me what to do. I’ll do whatever I want. You are proving what I said to be true…Stucky = bad person.

If you don’t want me here (which I highly doubt), then stop reading and responding to my comments. It’s that easy.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 13, 2021 4:47 pm

You said MOST people on TBP are
bad persons.

You said posting here is a waste of time.

You said you are done with TBP.

Keep your promise! Take a hike, Skankasaurus.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 5:05 pm

You’re so transparent.

I’ll go easy on you because I know you’re struggling…and, I don’t want to continue being a distraction in this beautiful conversation between RR and ordo that others can benefit from.

Enjoy the rest of your day/evening.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 13, 2021 5:11 pm

Don’t come back. You don’t like the majority of TPBers, nor TBP. You said you would leave. I will remind you of that every day you post.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 5:17 pm

I know this is your playground and I hurt your feelings, but you will be ok, I promise. Again, transparency shining through. Only people you care about can really bother you…you understand that, right?

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 13, 2021 5:22 pm

You are a twice back-stabbing skank. And a lying bitch.

And you think I give a Rat’s Ass about you??

In your dreams, twatwaffle!

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 5:27 pm

Yet, you let me get under your skin. Yes, I do think that. Somehow, I hurt your feelings…again. I’m sorry.

DS
DS
  Stucky
October 14, 2021 4:00 pm

That’s really uncalled for — you owe her an apology

Stucky
Stucky
  DS
October 14, 2021 4:52 pm

Blow me.

TBP Golden Rule #3 — NEVER interject yourself into someone else’s shitfest.

DS
DS
  Stucky
October 14, 2021 5:03 pm

Yet you do that quite often, esp. if MGM is one of the mud wrestlers. And I normally wouldn’t have interjected, but what you said was nasty and really below the belt (pun somewhat intended) — and all in the middle of a conversation that wasn’t a shitfest, but which you managed to partially highjack and turn it into a mini-shitfest.

Ghost
Ghost
  Stucky
October 14, 2021 5:07 pm

However, those of us who need to get your attention know that interjection!! is the best way to get your attention.

I would LOVE to see you post this video cued to the point where the VP assures the kids they will see the craters on the moon with their very own eyes.

Then, you can segue into how there can be nothing stranger than a Vice-President promising thespian children the moon in a world run by solar power only that doesn’t really exist because no one really went to the moon.

That will be a fun one!

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  DS
October 14, 2021 6:01 pm

Thank you for your support, DS. I appreciate it. Stucky has never and probably will never apologize. I’ve accepted it and moved on.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 14, 2021 7:13 pm

You apologized the first time. I accepted. Got stabbed in the back.

You apologized the second time. I accepted. Got stabbed in the back.

You think I’m going to fall for your psycho head games a third time???

Think again you duplicitous psycho bitch.

====

You said the MAJORITY of TPBers were bad people, and posting here was a waste of time. Should I paste your exact quote again?

And my, oh my! What a change of heart you’ve had in the past two days! You’re thanking, complimenting, and gushing at every Tom, Dick, and Harry. Your obvious, feeble, and pathetic attempt to counter my reminder to people is the most insincere thing ever posted here.

Some people can be fooled all the time. You’ve done a good job pulling the wool over some eyes … like, DS, cc, BL, and even Arch P.

Some people can’t be fooled, like me. I see quite clearly the manipulative, disingenuous, deceptive snake that you are.

You also said you are done with TBP. So, why the fuck don’t you keep your promise … and take a hike? Oh yeah, now I remember. You are a liar. A snake … right from the pits of hell.

You would do well to leave me alone at this point. Just fuck the fuck off.

Ghost
Ghost
  Stucky
October 14, 2021 7:40 pm

EC would have revised Lucy in Sky with Diamonda and gIven someone a chance.

He was like that…a true peace keeper.. capital Peace of surpassing nature.

Stucky
Stucky
  Ghost
October 14, 2021 9:00 pm

That’s because EC himself was a True Diamond.

But, not even EC could come to the rescue this time. That psycho bitch is not to be trusted, ever, by anyone.

For only the second time ever I will refuse to make peace with someone. Not kidding … she is beyond redemption, and not worth it.

The other person? SMH. I think those two are sisters.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 14, 2021 8:02 pm

As I read this, all I could think was, “and *I* am the psycho???”

Seriously, Stucky. LMAO

I really have no idea what you mean when you continue to say that I stabbed you in the back? Seriously, I do not know how.

The only thing I can think of is that my smartass, sarcastic personality rubs you the wrong way. It doesn’t really seem to bother others as much as you though. Why is that?

“You’re thanking, complimenting, and gushing at every Tom, Dick, and Harry.”….OK, so why does this bother you so much?

If you’re upset that I don’t ‘thank’ or ‘compliment’ you, it’s because I sense that you don’t like me very much. Can you blame me? No one has treated me worse here than you. Shall *I* post all the things you’ve said about me??

Here are YOUR compliments…I think you’re funny, I think you write well, I think you are clever and witty. How’s that?? Problem is that you’re too big of an asshole to me and it overshadows all of it. Do you remember the very first time you responded to me? Needless to say, it wasn’t very pleasant. Yet, you’ve managed to think I am the problem.

FYI, I have excellent people skills. Not a big fan of people, but I can do really well in social situations when I have to. That skill has served me very well in real life…as well as in defusing some pretty difficult situations.

You say I am insincere. I’m really not. I don’t know why it comes across that way to you on the internet.

About the other traits you so nicely listed…manipulative, disingenuous, deceptive…HOW??? You see my style here. I obviously have no problem disagreeing with people. In my experience, that usually doesn’t make you a ton of friends. But I do it anyway when I feel like another perspective should be heard.

I honestly do not know how to get along with you. I know this place means a lot to you. I don’t want to continue unintentionally pissing you off. If you really want me to stop posting then I will.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 14, 2021 9:21 pm

YES!! I want you to stop posting … TO ME.

Don’t respond to anything I post.
Don’t mention me in other posts. IOW, pretend I don’t exist at all here. Have nothing to do with me. Make me “dead” to you.

I will do likewise. You are dead to me.

Let’s start NOW. Don’t even bother responding to this post. Let’s stop communicating immediately. Thank you.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 14, 2021 9:39 pm

“…pretend I don’t exist at all here.”

Kinda hard to do when you’ve turned this into the Stucky Show.

You are an overly emotional psycho who has a lot of drama going on in your head.

Since you didn’t answer my questions, I’ll answer them for you.

You get too attached to people here and you want all the attention. If anyone gets attention other than ol’ Stucky…then you get jealous, which is weird since this is just the internet. That is why you are behaving like this towards me. Like I said before, you are transparent. I wouldn’t even bother you this much if you didn’t care.

But, unfortunately you’ve made a complete ass of yourself. The ease and comfort level you have in the way you speak to a woman is disgusting…and frightening. I would be terrified to be alone in the same room with you. You come across and sound like a rapist…or someone who degrades and beats women. You need help.

You need to start taking your meds or get on some, quickly. You’ve got some serious problems.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 14, 2021 9:58 pm

“If you really want me to stop posting then I will.”

Psychopath can’t even keep the SIMPLEST of promises, not even a couple hours.

Fuck off, Psycho Cunt.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 14, 2021 10:39 pm

“I would be terrified to be alone in the same room with you.”

WTF?? Not only are you a psycho but you’ve gone Full Retard. Why bring up being alone with you?

I know!! You are secretly longing for some Sweet Stucky Sausage. mm-good

Won’t happen. Your vaginny smells like rotten elderberries and is drier than sandpaper.

But, BL can’t see or smell, and you have him fooled. So, make your offer to him.

I’m guessing your pissant sized brain might respond with some small-dick jokes. You’re always sooo original.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 15, 2021 11:02 am

You’re an absolute disgusting pervert. Get help immediately.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 15, 2021 11:17 am

I’ll seek immediate help if you promise to deodorize your rotten smelling elderberry vaginny with two boxes of Baking Soda.

Deal?

Or, you can just let me fart in your general direction … even that would improve the maladroit oders which spring forth from your nether regions.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 15, 2021 3:09 pm

Yep. Unstable. Rapist. Beats women.

I sure hope MG knows that was you talking filth to her behind your anonymous posts. I hope she is not fooled by who you really are. I also hope she knows better than to ever get anywhere near you. As much as she hates men who disrespect women, she should know that you are not safe to be around.

Stucky
Stucky
  Abigail Adams
October 13, 2021 2:48 pm

REALLY??? You’re trying to drag Red River into this????

You truly are One Nasty Cunt. Get the hell out of here.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 3:14 pm

Seriously, stop thinking about it. I would never feel safe around you.

Red River D
Red River D
  Abigail Adams
October 13, 2021 3:42 pm

This thread certainly took a turn into the gutter!!! YIKES!!!

Let’s get into the background info on some other board less cluttered with spleen spatter.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 3:52 pm

Thank you, Red River. He can’t behave when I’m around for some reason.

DS
DS
  Abigail Adams
October 14, 2021 4:00 pm

I’m glad you didn’t leave, I think your voice is important here

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 12:31 pm

Red River….

That’s a mighty fine answer, one I would contend with if this machine’s response holds up….

Your description of Satan, I suppose, is where I would begin. Can you be more specific as to the scripture that led you to your ‘non seraphim’ conclusion?

[this cursor has jumped and repositioned a dozen times as I tried to type this little short bit, but I’ll try to continue-so much in your comment]

I have made sense of this dying world for many years now, but have viewed Satan as the fallen seraphim..’the masonic light bearer’ that wants to be as the Most High! A created being whose pride of self led him to rebel….[grrr-5 times]

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  ordo ab chao
October 13, 2021 12:45 pm

GRACE…the word ‘if’.

1-simple elegance or refinement of movement.

2-courteous goodwill.

3-(in Christian belief) the free and unmerited favor of God, as manifested in the salvation of sinners and the bestowal of blessings

4-a period officially allowed for payment of a sum due or for compliance with a law or condition, especially an extended period granted as a special favor.

The I AM that I AM chose the Jewish race as His people (Duet.) [GRRRR…I can’t even get started]

Edit [30 min. delay-comment not only posted, but allows me to edit]

Grace is contingent upon our belief. Belief must be a biblically-valid belief; YES

The word ‘IF’ is perhaps the most important word in the entire Bible; I wouldn’t go that far, but ‘if’ they could, then He would…. and they just couldn’t (keep the law).

We must do the things He has asked us to do. We must put our house in order. Back in the Old Testament?

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  ordo ab chao
October 13, 2021 2:43 pm

[I got knocked clear off line on that one….]

And if we truly believe in Him, then we will do as He has commanded.

As far as ‘must’, when we truly believe we will desire to do His Will…..but in thought, word, or deed we will fall short.

No worries tho:

“And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me” 2Cor. 12:9

A quote from Paul always seems to rile ole’ Stucky….?

“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” Gal. 2:21

We are either in process of being remade in His image, or we delude ourselves.

I just disagree with this completely, Red. We were already made in his image, Christ redeemed us. If we think ‘self’ can bring us to be approved of by God , we are indeed deluding ourselves:

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed” 1Co 15:52

[ about 3 hrs total…..grrrrr]

Red River D
Red River D
  ordo ab chao
October 13, 2021 4:00 pm

“…We were already made in his image…”

Mingled seed, friend. The enemy came along while men slept, and sowed tares among the wheat.

Would you see proof that Christ was different from us? What came pouring from His body on the cross once it was pierced by the spear?

WATER and BLOOD.

The two were not mingled within Him. The mixing itself is the work of the enemy. The Water He took from the Spirit of His Father. The Blood He took from the seed of Mankind/Adamkind. Thus was He known BOTH as the Son of God and the Son of Man.

We are made in the image of God, but our veins flow with mingled water and blood. We can’t unmingle the blood from the water just as the tares cannot be ripped from the field without damaging the wheat. The separation (setting apart, i.e., becoming HOLY) will happen at THE HARVEST… exactly as Christ has said.

Adam and Eve became different after their lawless deed was consummated. THEN they knew each other and bore sons and daughters in THEIR image…

…which is now our image.

We are not fully as Christ IS. Even if we are children of God and members of the Household of Faith… members of the Body of Christ…

…we are not yet perfect as He is perfect. The Restoration Of All Things is yet future from today’s point in time.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 4:56 pm

[Mingled seed, friend. The enemy came along while men slept, and sowed tares among the wheat.]

Again, much to contend. You draw an interesting picture, but fail to reference some scripture for me, but I’ll throw back what I believe.

While I’ll agree there was a change that occurred in the garden, the mingled seed doesn’t come into play until later in Gen. 6

” And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”

Then there is Nimrod, who “began to be mighty upon the earth”

Daniel spoke of it in chapter 2 interpreting ole Neb’s dream:

“And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.”

There is Nimrod, who “began to be mighty upon the earth”

Red River D
Red River D
  ordo ab chao
October 13, 2021 5:40 pm

“…You draw an interesting picture, but fail to reference some scripture for me, but I’ll throw back what I believe…”

Fair enough. I’ll start citing verses for you if you like. Surely I don’t have to cite the lesson Christ taught about the enemy who sowed the tares. This he did while men slept. What gives away that condition? How can we tell that a man sleeps, merely to look at him? His eyes are shut. What happened to Adam and Eve after they put their hand to the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? Their eyes were opened. They no longer slept. Hitherto, they had indeed slept. Deep waters, these. Tread slowly and methodically. There are powerful lessons at hand and awesome keys to existence in this world.

The work of the Enemy of God began long before Genesis chapter 6.

Stucky
Stucky
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 5:05 pm

“We can’t unmingle the blood from the water …”

Torture a person enough and it will happen.

Water and blood from a pierced person is actually a medical condition …… “build-up of fluid around the heart (pericardial effusion) and lungs (pleural effusion).”

https://www.apu.edu/articles/the-science-of-the-crucifixion/

Red River D
Red River D
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 5:46 pm

That’s a material solution to a spiritual condition.

Looking outside of the Bible to answer the peculiarities we find within the Bible, almost always yields dead-ends. Always the answers are to be found within the Book.

The Water and the Blood are exceedingly important in the biblical narrative.

1 John 5:6

This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood...

Stucky
Stucky
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 8:56 pm

“That’s a material solution to a spiritual condition.”

Doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Truth is Truth, regardless of the source.

Some, or many, say religion and science ought to remain separate. They don’t mix especially if there are conflicting views. I just don’t buy that.

The Dalai Lama literally said that if science disproves some aspect of Buddhism, that Buddhism will reject that aspect.

If Christians devolped a similar stance, then Copernicus wouldn’t have suffered for telling the truth about the Earth circling the sun!

This will be my final comment. I’ve had enough theology for the day. And most TPBers shout “AMEN TO THAT!!”

BL
BL
  Stucky
October 14, 2021 11:55 pm

AMEN STUCKY! Amen to that!

But ,that is not the truth, Any flat Earther will tell you the sun and moon move over the Earth in exactly the motion of the yin/yang symbol. 🙂 🙂

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 5:08 pm

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

perfect in his generations=unmingled blood

Red River D
Red River D
  ordo ab chao
October 13, 2021 5:51 pm

“…perfect in his generations=unmingled blood…”

There is nothing in Scripture with which to support that contention. Noah perhaps did not have corrupted seed within him due to the events of Genesis 6. That much may be true. But to suggest that Noah’s veins did not conduct mingled blood, mistakes the nature of blood itself. THAT we even have blood within our veins, is proof that the mingling has already occurred. Adam was flesh and bone. Christ risen was flesh and bone. We are flesh and blood.

ALL of Adamkind bears mingled blood within their veins. ONLY the Son of Man did not see mixing within Him. Recall the definition of ‘holy’ — it means “set-apart”. It is exactly opposite the condition of being mingled or amalgamated.

Red River D
Red River D
  ordo ab chao
October 13, 2021 3:49 pm

“…The I AM that I AM chose the Jewish race as His people…”

NO HE DID NOT.

And the importance of this point cannot be overemphasized. Judea is but ONE tribe in TWELVE. The Israelites are God’s chosen people — that is, Jacob — and the Jews are only 1/12th of Israel.

Moreover, Christ makes a distinction, and even repeats Himself, when He tells us there are those who SAY they are Jews but are NOT.

Don’t waste your time with Arthur Koestler’s ideas about Khazaria. The answer to the matter is contained in the Bible — not in the musings of madmen like Koestler, himself a Cabbalist and a high-level occult initiate.

Israel pretended to be someone once. Then he went blind. That someone he pretended to be is now pretending to be him. This world can only be made sense of by understanding this truth and rightly incorporating it into one’s worldview.

DS
DS
  Red River D
October 14, 2021 3:55 pm

This scares the shit out of most mainline evangelicals and sundry holy rollers.

That’s because those fuckers roll w/ scofield to the zionist’s tune — there is no truth in them, they are of their father, a murderer from the beginning

Georges S
Georges S
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 12:55 pm

Are you talking about The Unseen Realm?

Red River D
Red River D
  Georges S
October 13, 2021 5:53 pm

That’s only one of Heiser’s books. He covers considerable ground in his collected published works.

Georges S
Georges S
  Red River D
October 14, 2021 12:09 am

Thanks RRD, the reasons I asked it’s because he wrote3 others that I know of:
Supernatural: What the Bible Teaches about the Unseen World – And Why It Matters
Angels: What the Bible Really Says About God’s Heavenly Host
What does God want.

Red River D
Red River D
  Vigilant
October 13, 2021 1:50 am

Vigilant,

Two points on which I diverge completely from Heiser:

1. His conclusion about the nature of the NACHASH — it is no Seraph. If anything, it is a Cherub. The truth about the Hebrew word KERUB, is that nobody knows what the hell it means. Linguists say it is “probably” an order of angelic being, but they admit they do not know. I maintain the Scriptures say nothing about the Cherubim being angels of any kind. They are something else entirely. If the NACHASH is a Cherub, then the Cherubim are not all living creatures, but at least this one is something else.

2. Heiser maintains that the Flood of Noah was a regional, as opposed to a global, event. This is preposterous and both the Scriptures and the geological record show plainly the Flood was a catastrophic event on a GLOBAL, not a regional, scale. The water prevailed above the tops of the highest mountains by 15 cubits.

Georges S
Georges S
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 1:09 pm

I agree but the timeline in the OT doesn’t align with the geological flood which most likely occurred around 12 000 years ago

Red River D
Red River D
  Georges S
October 13, 2021 4:03 pm

Try having that conversation with geologists who are also young earth creationists.

They will show plainly that the mainline scientific community has been lying to us for far longer than SARS-CoV-2 has been creeping across the land.

Fritz
Fritz
  Red River D
October 13, 2021 7:03 pm

It appears that we have 5 or six alegged bible scholars debating all Jewish approved material and arriving at Jewish approved conclusions while never once stepping off the reservation.
As a longtime onlooker It seems that all the really intelligent challengers of mainstream Pablum have chosen to opt out of dealing with the resident guardians of the gate. AP is the last holdout and he seems to be retiring as well.
Stucky mentioned how much more he likes it when it’s quiet. He seems to have plenty of company.

Stucky
Stucky
  Fritz
October 13, 2021 8:42 pm

Alleged or not, I am NO Bible scholar!

That’s not false humility. I know what I don’t know. … and I can assure you, it’s a LOT. I know what a real scholar looks like. And it ain’t me. I’m a rank amateur. All I have ever claimed to offer is my OPINION. No sweat off my nutsack whether people agree or disagree with me.

Doesn’t mean I back off a good debate or shitfest, however.

=====

You are mostly incorrect about “Jewish approved material and arriving at Jewish approved conclusions”. Of course there is much overlap regarding material. But, conclusions?? A religious Jew would laugh at the idea that Jews and Christians share similar conclusions. We’re oceans apart on the major theological points.

Fritz
Fritz
  Stucky
October 13, 2021 9:25 pm

What I said.
debating all Jewish approved material and arriving at Jewish approved conclusions while never once stepping off the reservation.
You’re correct that International Jewry would laugh at your interpretation of what was said.
I stated arriving at conclusions you are allowed to arrive at by said Jewry, not that they believe them. Try saying something Biblically correct about Jewry being the Spawn of Satan and Eve by way of Cain who is never mentioned as being the son of Adam in scripture and see what happens. Maybe late at night on Wednsday on an old thread but not midday on a new thread. Speaking of late I turning in.

Red River D
Red River D
  Fritz
October 14, 2021 11:00 am

Serpent’s Seed nonsense is what you come preaching, fella? Save it.

The truth is even more incendiary than that concocted nonsense. And if you guys knew the half of what was actually IN the Bible…

…you would quickly give up the lie that any of it is ‘Jewish approved.’

Come back when you’ve earned the right to your opinion.

Wilbur Ross
Wilbur Ross
  Red River D
October 14, 2021 11:16 am

Red says come back when he’s earned the right to your opinion. What have you earned in your week here. You’re response is right out of the cookie cutter box you were isssued in school.
So we have one fool lying and the other swearing to it. Red and Ordo. Fritz rarely says anything and you two talk all day.

Red River D
Red River D
  Wilbur Ross
October 14, 2021 3:34 pm

I don’t suffer fools gladly who accuse the Scriptures.

And I don’t care who likes that, or doesn’t.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool…

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  Fritz
October 14, 2021 4:07 am

Fritz…..you boys are right about one thing: it IS a race war.

A war against the human race……

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum

Take the bait, hate the jew and the anti whitey…..doesn’t really matter, as long as the venom is there…….your government will be proud of you!

alegged….??

Wilbur Ross
Wilbur Ross
  ordo ab chao
October 14, 2021 11:19 am

He was right. You and red rider are spewing and defending the company myths. You say take the bait, hate the jew and the anti whitey. Meanwhile the white race rapidly shrinks while Negroids, Asians and their white mullatto kids proliferate. OK there hipster.

Red River D
Red River D
  Wilbur Ross
October 14, 2021 3:36 pm

Anyone who suggests that the Bible is approved reading material by those who SAY they are Jews…

…has proven himself to be chief among the deluded in this world.

CHIEF among the deluded.

Wilbur Ross
Wilbur Ross
  Red River D
October 14, 2021 6:14 pm

The “Bible” is approved reading material for the Goy by those who say they are Jews but are not but do very much control the narratives approved for the masses. You are just one more master of word twisting in a long line. I don’t even think Fritz meant that he agrees with me about serpant seed. I recall a while back he said something to the effect that it is more valid than the approved versions coming from jew and goy mainstream alike.

There is no point in debating with any of you again. Same old same old. I will leave with a link for any lurkers who have a real interest in how the anti- two seedline or two tree is typically lied about shamelessly by both Jewry and their seminary owned scholars like Heiser just to name one of thousands.
Here is an entire treatice on Charles (((Weisman’s)) book “What about the seedline doctrine” which is just an Alinsky hit piece in a different dress.

https://christogenea.org/podcasts/addressing-charles-weisman%E2%80%99s-what-about-seedline-doctrine-part-1

Ghost
Ghost
  Stucky
October 14, 2021 3:59 pm

JC is putting together quite an application for a research grant to find a sort of “antidote” to the vaccine. He thinks it is doable… and not using mRNA technology but quality research and trials.

He thinks Fauci et al will face criminal charges for bioethical crimes against humanity within 5 years on a world court.

Ghost
Ghost
  Ghost
October 14, 2021 9:19 pm

I thought I made this observation somewhere.

I hope, like he says, that someone in position of authority is held to account at some point. I do not have much hope.

ordo ab chao
ordo ab chao
  grace country pastor
October 12, 2021 2:50 pm

Greetings GCP…..

That’s where I go, always. To the root.

I copy/pasted a reply I made to the local hosp. ceo one year ago on 11-21-20. This ole computer was stuttering and crashed again, but it looks like they got posted. This thing is so hit and miss when I open a reply I never know if I’ll even get to finish anything….

I had to chuckle a bit when I saw Stucky’s reply to that gorilla picture…

annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum <—=== this plan won't be successful.

I have been stunned by the lack of discernment that is rampant since this scamdemic began. While I believe this is only the embryonic stage, so many don't act like they've even heard of the 'mark of the beast' ……

I was listening to a group discussing Dan. 12:4. They spoke of the "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased", as being a matter of people unsettled in their beliefs, even as knowledge or clarity of scripture were increasing, aided by continued work being done on some of the scrolls…..

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  ordo ab chao
October 12, 2021 2:55 pm

The only place to go brother.

Georges S
Georges S
  RJ
October 13, 2021 12:44 pm

Correct! The Schiff family financed Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution.

TarMar
TarMar
October 12, 2021 12:06 pm

What is lacking in the world today…
1. People of high moral character
2. People that have Discernment
3. People that can critically think (i.e connect dots, evaluate information, do independent research)
4. People able and willing to make their voices heard whatever the cost.
5. People willing to DIE rather than to be an easily manipulated sheep (ties in with #4).
6. People willing to fly the Gasden flag in the front of their house.
7. People willing to form community grass route groups to fight the insanity.

God help us all to be these kinds of people, people unwilling to be ruled by Tyrants!

Cindy
Cindy
  TarMar
October 12, 2021 1:16 pm

I wanted to thumbs up your post but you went and stuck a flag in there. Oh, well.

mark
mark
  Cindy
October 12, 2021 6:11 pm

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The Story Behind the Pine Tree Flags of the American Revolution
by maria

Washington’s Cruisers Flag.

Many flags from the Revolutionary War era feature a pine tree, a symbol that might seem innocent at first, but once you know its history, the meaning is much deeper.

England Lays Claim to White Pines

Leading up to the American Revolution, Great Britain relied heavily on its Royal Navy, and in order to build and maintain this huge fleet of ships, they needed trees. By the late 17th century, the British had nearly depleted their own timber resources, and so they began harvesting and exporting Eastern white pines from Colonial New England.

Under the Mast Preservation Clause in the Massachusetts Charter in 1691, Britain laid claim to any white pine measuring 24 inches in diameter or greater, and in 1722 a law passed in New Hampshire made it illegal to cut down white pines measuring 12 inches or more. The “mast pines”, as they were named for their suitability as single-stick masts and booms, were identified by a Surveyor of the King’s Woods, and marked with a broad arrow for exporting to England.

The colonists resented the restrictions on the timber they used for their needs and livelihoods, and many continued to harvest the marked trees. The law caused more anger and backlash than the Stamp Act or even the Tea Tax, and eventually resulted in the Pine Tree Riot of 1772.

Colonists Protest with Pine Tree Riot

After being fined and refusing to pay for harvesting trees marked with the broad arrow, a New Hampshire mill owner, along with other mill owners and townsmen, assaulted the Sheriff and his Deputy by lashing them with tree switches, cutting off their horses’ ears, manes and tails, and forcing them out of town through a jeering crowd.

Occurring almost two years prior to the more well-known Boston Tea Party, the Pine Tree Riot was one of the first acts of forceful resistance against British royal authority by the American colonists, and among the disputes that culminated in the American Revolution.
Pine Trees Become Symbol of Independence

Because New England’s white pines were highly desired by Great Britain, they became a great source of symbolism for the colonists. Seen here on six different flags from the Revolutionary War era, the pine tree represents a resistance to colonization and a desire for independence.

Maybe we need a modern version of a WE WANT OUT FLAG???
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Georges S
Georges S
  mark
October 13, 2021 1:16 pm

Mark I couldn’t access the picture (not available in my region) but I think it’s iconic that the pine needle tea and tincture is a cure for the RNA poisoning?
https://ambassadorlove.wordpress.com/2021/05/06/pine-tea-possible-antidote-for-spike-protein-transmission/
https://thefreedomarticles.com/covid-vaccine-antidote-pine-needle-tea-suramin-inhibits-dna-rna-replication/

Observer
Observer
  TarMar
October 12, 2021 1:52 pm

In reality all these types of people are not lacking. They are just not been promoted into any position of visibility, influence and power (for obvious reason that these types of people are very hard if not impossible to control).

mark
mark
  Observer
October 12, 2021 6:25 pm

I like that reasoning Observer.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  TarMar
October 12, 2021 7:40 pm

What’s lacking today is People of ‘high moral character’ WITH POWER. The propaganda the powerless men are good men, that Gawd-fearing men are good men is complete bullshit. Gawd-fearers are Shabbos goy are tools are the problem and not the solution. Gawd help us to sit on our thumbs in righteousness and smugness.

Ghost
Ghost
October 12, 2021 12:15 pm

Local news carried a story about welcoming Afghan refugees into Kentucky homes.

Is that in Bea Attitude’s neighborhood or just Paducah?

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 12, 2021 12:24 pm

Shitty media pushing the poison like a farmer spaying weeds to get rid of the undesirables. I’m broken up.

DS
DS
  Anonymous
October 12, 2021 12:56 pm

There’s a lot of collateral damage too, bro — at least try to have a little compassion

KaD
KaD
October 12, 2021 12:32 pm

American Stasi: Corrupt Biden DOJ and FBI Are Now Arresting Any of the Tens of Thousands of Trump Supporters Who Were Standing HUNDREDS of Yards Away from US Capitol

ruth
ruth
October 12, 2021 2:52 pm

The world is going through a Satanic coup. Most if not all positions of power are held by a member of a secret society that all funnel down to satanism

Guest
Guest
October 12, 2021 2:53 pm

Don’t forget the ships sitting off of our ports. Besides the plandemic stuff, this is the second most serious item.
The only way to overcome is to start harassing red state Congress people (and also to get rid of McConnell). Start recall elections, put them on the spot continuously, write, email, and even protests, although these are not totally effective. All so called freedom blogs/news needs to get behind a concerted, long term siege on our ‘representatives’.
1. Take us off emergency status and change those laws.
2. Get those ships unloaded.
3. Get rid of McConnell first.
We want rollback action and being a minority is no excuse.
Oh yes. Get rid of the demented one. Then Kamala.

ruth
ruth
October 12, 2021 3:12 pm

The war in the heavens has been going on long before man and being played out on earth today

chiphenry
chiphenry
October 12, 2021 3:18 pm

My question is, why are you listening to NPR? It’s a corrupt organized news group whose intent is to bring down America along with Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, NBA, NFL, and the rest of the very long list. Why would you want to bring that conversation here? It’s garbage that should not be tuned to.
I won’t listen to how CNN has lost listeners. I won’t listen to ads about woke companies. I won’t drink a Coke brand OJ or sport drink. I don’t support communism and I don’t like reading about it here or elsewhere.

Gerold
Gerold
October 12, 2021 3:28 pm

This is a targeted war. It targets the more intelligent Whites and Asians.

East Indians have only about a 5% vaccine rate, and cheap Ivermectin is widely available. Africa also has a low vaccine rate and surprisingly low infection rate.

The future is low intelligence brown. I wish I could sugar-coat that.

Red River D
Red River D
  Gerold
October 12, 2021 5:41 pm

“…The future is low intelligence brown…”

That is precisely the recipe written out by the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan, which Wikipedia has been kind enough to classify as a “conspiracy theory” in the opening sentences of its entry under that name.

This plan called for the creation of a “pan European negroid race”, which answers directly to your conclusion. Thus, White Boy needs to be bred (and slaughtered) out of existence.

Here we have yet another example of whites being directly targeted (openly, and as a matter of written record from the past century). And still, very few people think to question why this phenomenon even exists.

Seeking recourse to the Bible is the ONLY way to make sense of the phenomenon. Everything else is baseless speculation and guesswork.

mark
mark
  Gerold
October 12, 2021 7:10 pm

Gerald, Red River D,

Your two posts are excellent ‘one-two’ comments about (to us) the telegraphed punches that the masses of ‘Normies’ of that description (who have been sucker punched for generations) are starting to actually realize…I have been recently talking to a few in the bluest of the blue suburbs.

I have discovered when talking to propagandized, brainwashed, and dumbed down high end ‘Sheeple’ about what is going on (I just got back from a trip to NY) using the term ‘Normie’ (about people who have been jabbed) doesn’t offend them when you get past the surface and into deeper conversations when you are describing the jabbed in general conversational context.

I also found out some of the upper middle class former ‘Sheeple’ current ‘Normies’ (or Normal Americans) who are jabbed get really nervous when they find out most PhDs are saying NO to the needle.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AANk4bX.img?h=1080&w=1920&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

Stucky
Stucky
  mark
October 12, 2021 7:33 pm

” … discovered when talking to propagandized, brainwashed, and dumbed down high end ‘Sheeple’ …’

Of course, they feel the same about … YOU.

For this reason, never the twain shall meet.

At the library today an older lady (older than me!) was struggling with her mask, and I said (not sure why), “Aren’t these masks a pain?”. “Yes,” she said and then added “we wouldn’t have to wear them if the unvaxxed would just cooperate.”

Ahhh Fuk!!!

I said “Oh”, nothing more, and resumed reading my book. Why not say more? Because, would it really make a difference? NOPE!! Fuk’em.

I do admire all you people who still have the stomach to talk with these Morans.

mark
mark
  Stucky
October 12, 2021 8:43 pm

Stucky,

My point was I was just in NY/NJ…got into conversations with many in a high end burb almost all were vaxxed (my un-vaxxed daughter/son in law, grandson, and sister/brother in law live there)…and in general terms when I was discussing the ‘politics’ of Americans at this moment I talked about ‘Normies’ (them) instead of calling them ‘Sheeple’ as many are starting to shift, and I hope I encouraged that shift, that awakening.

Calling someone ‘Normal’…rather than a ‘Sheep’ when you are trying to convince them they have been conned is a more tactful and successful approach.

That was all I meant.

Tact is one of my many developmental needs.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  mark
October 12, 2021 9:07 pm

Yes, how to be tactful about not being a pretend divine sheeple? I can relate.

mark
mark
  'Reality' Doug
October 12, 2021 11:09 pm

Go away bitter crybaby.
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Stucky
Stucky
  mark
October 12, 2021 9:14 pm

I know what you meant, mark.

I wasn’t finding fault with you. Sorry if it came across that way.

mark
mark
  Stucky
October 12, 2021 11:08 pm

That’s Ok Stuck…sometimes we all miss read the written word…I was just trying to explain my comment clearer.

'Reality' Doug
'Reality' Doug
  mark
October 13, 2021 10:32 am

How can the divine word be unclear and the perfect guide to humanity?

Balbinus
Balbinus
October 12, 2021 5:51 pm

The Rothschild era started in the early 1700’s. Many things to learn to be able to follow the convoluted path this family has taken throughout history. One must remember that the apostle Paul thought Christ would return in his lifetime. Knowing that, satan has had to have someone ready to be the false prophet and the antichrist ready for every generation.

mark
mark
  Balbinus
October 12, 2021 6:06 pm

Balbinus,

“The Rothschild era started in the early 1700’s”.

Without a doubt buddy…the Rockefellers (originally a Baptist family) rose in the late 19th century and by the 1950’s had rivaled and in some ways eclipsed the Rothschild’s.

You are also a 100% correct on the every generation stand ins…waiting in the wings.