Guest Post by Hardscrabble Farmer
We have been told- repeatedly and for years- that cattle production is one of the largest sources of greenhouse gasses and therefore we should no longer eat meat, or at least severely cut back in order to save the planet from a fiery/frigid end.
https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/making-cattle-more-sustainable
Inside the University of California, Davis, a Holstein cow has its head and neck sealed airtight inside a large, clear-plastic chamber that resembles an incubator for newborns. While giant tubes above the chamber pump air in and push air out, the cow calmly stands and eats her feed. Equipment inside a nearby trailer spits out data.
I have no idea if this is or is not true, but my senses tell me it is just another means of controlling people and forcing them to buckle to the demands of the globalist power brokers for whatever weird reasons they may have. In order to illuminate my understanding of the foundational mythology of their claims I decided to investigate a bit further, using their own data as the source material. A basic understanding of math was required- adding and subtracting- and with little more than fifteen minutes, an Internet connection, a pencil, and scrap of paper I was able to discover a flaw in their reasoning.
The current estimated population of cattle herds in America today numbers roughly 90 million head. Ungulates- hooved herbivores- digest plant matter in a series of digestive chambers. This isn’t a biology lesson so if you’d like more information regarding the process, please research further. In short, the breakdown of cellulose produces gasses that are released into the environment either causing or not causing ecological problem depending upon your perspective. It would stand to reason that the more animals that populate the landscape, the higher the level of gasses produced, right?
And prior to the 1500’s there were no cattle in North America, back when greenhouse gasses were not an issue and the climate was perfect because no meat, right? Therefore, the problem must- according to their data- be one of scale. A certain number of cattle are allowable, enough to produce an adequate number of filet mignons for the participants at a G-20 Summit, for example-
https://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/economy/g20_summit/osaka19/en/topics/foods_dinner_01.html
This Official Website of the G20 Osaka Summit is run by Japan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA). The Osaka Summit will be held on June 28 & 29, 2019.
Not to mention a delicious aged beef bone in ribeye ($175) served at one of the tonier establishments in D.C. for those busy representatives and their staffs after a hard day’s work crafting legislation for the people-
https://www.mastrosrestaurants.com/location/mastros-steakhouse-washington-dc/#menus
Mastro’s is a collection of sophisticated, classic Steakhouses and Ocean Club Seafood locations, a World-class service, with highly acclaimed cuisine and live entertainment in the US
But what of those earlier ages, before the arrival of the patriarchy and their cows, what was the population of the hooved herds in those days when only the peace loving, nature enthusiasts known as the Indigenous People occasionally put a tatanka to sleep with slow and steady drum beats paired with the haunting trills of their reed flutes in order to provide for their sustenance?
Deer population circa 1450- 45 million
Bison population circa 1450- 60 million
Elk population circa 1450- 10 million
Now I am no math whiz- although I did score fairly high on the SAT back in the old days of the 1970’s when it was heavily weighted to benefit White males, logic, reasoning and rational thought, so I will attempt to add these numbers up.
115 million wild ungulates pre-discovery (estimate)
90 million cows currently (estimate)
Based on my calculations using those two numbers it would appear that the total number of grass grazing, gas producing herbivore herds was 25 million animals larger than the current planet wrecking numbers spewing toxins into the formerly pristine air of our beloved Earth. Or if you prefer percentages, 23% more animals then as opposed to now.
Like I said, I am no expert, in fact I know that I know nothing, that’s why I am constantly checking into these things to try and inform myself using my primitive and provincial skill sets- and a #2 pencil- to see if the calculations provided by my betters hold up to scrutiny.
It appears- at least to me- that there is an error in calculation as to the numbers of animals currently (or estimated to have lived) in the past and/or the impact of their farts on the ecosphere. If the earth is indeed getting warmer due to the methane produced by the digestion of ungulates, then the numbers would indicate that more gasses lead to greater cooling rather than warming.
Or it could mean that it has no discernible impact at all and the theory is mistaken. Or perhaps that other factors such as huge cities filled with hundreds of millions of people all using huge amounts of electricity to power their $90,000 automobile and squadrons of private jets zipping around the planet in order to meet in Davos to discuss why the peasants are still allowed to eat meat over a plate of beef tenderloin and heirloom haircot verts might be partially responsible.
The World Economic Forum has a plan- for us, not them-
https://www.leap.ox.ac.uk/article/world-economic-forum-meat-the-future-series#/
Sounds somewhat hypocritical.
What do I know, I’m just a Yankee Doodle Dandy.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425775/Climate-scientists-told-cover-fact-Earths-temperature-risen-15-years.html
Not to mention that everything on earth is simply trading places. In other words it is in equilibrium. Where is all this “new” carbon coming from? If we can make new carbon then why not make new gold, and any other of the rare earth elements. Can some of you physicist’s out there how we can do this. I agree with one of the posters here, it would appear that most of this flatulence is emanating from said forum. We won’t even get into the vegan thing and high fiber.
The “New Carbon” is not NEW, but it (fossil fuels) have bees sealed in the earth (not in the atmosphere) for millions or billions of years. They are now being returned to the atmosphere at a rate hundreds of thousands or millions of times faster than they were buried.
At the current rate, they would be completely used up in a few hundred years at most. Long in the terms of one humans life, but a virtual instant in the time scale of geology.
The REAL problem is over HUMAN population.
Really Dale?
Nah. The only problem is human undercompetition.
Or being only competitive about following Doc Milgram’s orders.
Or as Vidal put it, “socialism for the elite, free enterprise for the rest.”
Domesticates, the feedback/forward loop that strangle-snaps necks, crackles economies & pops progress, just ain’t competitive…except in the passive direction of aggressive regression.
Actually oil carbon dates to about 10,000 years.
As for over population, that too is fake and stupid. We have poverty and hunger not from a lack of resources but due to criminal and evil people.
Canada alone could feed every man woman and child on this rock with just the arable land currently in use. Every continent has large tracts of arable lands to feed those people in that land.
BUT, just like in Zimbabwe, which used to be the bread basket of Africa, was turned into a shithole desolate wasteland by the criminal mugabe. Because criminals and evil vile people steal from their own people is WHY we have such poverty and hunger worldwide.
We have an overpopulation of some people, an underpopulation of others…
Then please be the first to volunteer to remove yourself from the HUMAN population. Think of how much good you’ll be doing!
Then why are they trying to outlaw the burning of firewood? That carbon has been on the surface for eons. Whether a dead tree is burned or oxidizes slowly on the forest floor, the net amount of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere is the same.
How much carbon is released in volcanic eruptions? It is estimated that the eruption of Krakatoa released more carbon into the atmosphere in one single event than all of human history combined.
There are far more farty, sharty humans than there are two-toed ungulates occupying the planet. Witness Joe and the Pope for some methane moments of the sharty kind.
Diet for a Small Planet was one of the earlier (1971) vegetarian treatises on the perils and evils of livestock vs. plants, the author went to great lengths to state that pasture for cattle was extremely wasteful and should be cultivated instead. Never mind that pasture is pasture because it is untillable or otherwise unsuitable for crops, animals are bad and plants are good. That mindset still reigns supreme in the ‘green’ movement.
Many of the current diatribes against meat go back to the Victorian era and the advent of the anti-masturbation movement. The inventor of cornflakes, one Dr, Kellogg, insisted that almost all human ailments were a result of meat consumption and sexual desire and masturbation.
In Plain Facts for Old and Young: Embracing the Natural History and Hygiene of Organic Life, Kellogg cataloged 39 different symptoms of a person plagued by masturbation, including general infirmity, defective development, mood swings, fickleness, bashfulness, boldness, bad posture, stiff joints, fondness for spicy foods, acne, palpitations, and epilepsy.
In his quest for health and purity, Kellogg invented breakfast cereals like cornflakes and granola and he devised a device that was…
developed to ensure clean intestines, was an enema machine that ran water through the bowel and then followed it with a pint of yogurt—half delivered through the mouth and the other half through the anus.
No word as to if the yoghurt was made from pasteurized or raw milk.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade
Did you see that Biden farted in the presence of Prince Chaz’s wife, Camilla?
Yep. Seems Biden is single-handedly creating the CO2 crisis on a daily basis. He needs some Beano or else, a more fitting-to-the-topic substance like….
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“I became hugely commercial on the morning of May 9, 1955, Visit to a Small Planet had been televised “live” the previous night….”
After the airing of the play…the producer…gave a party, where I met John Steinbeck. He was amiable & reasonably curious about a novelist of the generation after his own. But when I told him that I was now writing television, not novels, he was shocked. Why? I blamed it on the house that I could not furnish. This struck a massive chord. “The dynasty? Yes. Roots deep in native earth. Oh, I know. I know! So many times I’ve bought that house & put down those roots in order to raise three generations on the spot & then, in no time at all, I’ve sold the place & moved on. We’re nomads.” I had liked In Dubious Battle when I had read it at Exeter. But I was particularly struck by his 1961 novel The Winter of our Discontent. So was Saul Bellow. In kingmaking mood, we lobbied, each in his own way, for Steinbeck to get the Nobel Prize, an award that some writers crave more than others. Certainly, Steinbeck was cheered when he got it. As for myself, I agree with Flaubert, who wrote, in a letter to George Sand after Dumas fils had finally crawled on his belly into the Academie Francaise: “How modest he must be to be honored by Honors.”
On May 9, the sort of honor that I do lust for, the attention of the great audience, came my way. The play had given surprising pleasure, something hard to do considering the censorship that we worked under. I had actually got away with a satiric comedy celebrating war, as “it is the only thing you people do really well down here,” notes the visitor to our small planet.
Lately, I read a statement of Saul Bellow’s: “I come of a generation, now largely vanished, that was passionate about literature. He taught school to make a living. I turned dramatist for the same reason. But – literature or not – I couldn’t keep on doing the same thing, nor indeed could he, despite our shared passion for the great thing… Although some plays are literature, the theater, because of its collective nature – not to mention its collusiveness with an audience – simply cannot compete with the sole intelligence of the novelist, who, no matter how great his mimetic gifts, never speaks in any voice but his own. In the theater, Stanislavsky could make Chekhov tragic; while Chekhov could make the same Chekhov comic. What reader of War & Peace can take it as farce? Rhetorical question to which the sly rhetorical answer is that Tolstoy did, when he felt obliged to give us his views on history. Although each reader filters & distorts in his own way the text, it is always, like our proud flag in the national anthem, still there.
…No one thought that Visitor to a Small Planet would be a success; but the producer persevered….
We opened in New Haven… The man from the trade paper Variety reported, “Visit to a Small Planet will visit very small audiences.” I was also visited by a delegation from the Yale Drama Department. Helpfully, they gave me their notes on why the play was so bad & so…so liberal. That word had already been demonized at the university that had earlier given us the CIA.
…In a particularly defensive preface to the published play I wrote: “On January 16, 1956, the play opened in New Haven. From that moment until the New York opening on February 7 I was more dentist than writer, extracting the sharper (but not always carious) teeth. The heart of the play’s argument was a scene in the second act between the visitor & the Secretary-General of the United Nations. At each performance the audience, which had been charmed by the precedent fooling, grew deathly cold as the debate began: this was not what they had anticipated…& their confidence in the play was never regained. A few days before we left Boston, I replaced the scene with a lighter one, involving the principals & our subtlest player, a cat. The substitute was engaging; the play moved amiably; no one was shocked (some observers in New Haven had declared the entire conception unwholesomely menacing). And so by deliberately dulling the edge of the satire, the farce flourished.”
I should note that McCarthyism was still very much in bloom, & every text was scrutinized for heresy, ranging from bright red to pinko. Subtexts were also carefully examined for the even more sinister, if possible, evil of homosexuality.
“A number of reviewers described the play as a vaudeville, a very apt description, & one in which I concur, recalling a letter from Bernard Shaw to Granville Barker: ‘I have given you a series of first-rate music hall entertainments thinly disguised as plays, but really offering the public a unique string of turns by comics & serio-comics of every popular type.’ That, of course, is only half the truth, but it is the charming half. In the case of Visit, the comedic approach to the theme tended to dictate the form. Having no real commitment to the theater, no profound convictions about the well-made or the ill-made play, I tend to write as an audience, an easily bored audience. I wrote the sort of piece I should like to go to a theater to see; one in which people say & do things that make me laugh. And though vague monsters lurk beneath the surface, their presence is sensed rather than dramatically revealed. My view of reality is not sanguine & the play for all its blitheness turns resolutely toward a cold night.”
…The play ran for two seasons; over the next decade, there were many touring companies, & most of the country’s comic actors played one or the other of the two leads. For twenty years the play was often done in summer stock & by amateur groups. Then it vanished. “Old hat,“ a friend said, more accurately than he knew. The film of the play had starred Jerry Lewis at his awesome worst, & as he had only kept the title, the text was promptly cannibalized by other writers. A highly popular television series, My Favorite Martian, so closely resembled the play that even The New York Times felt obliged to note the fact; this series, in turn, gave birth to Mork & Mindy; extending the play’s afterlife. Meanwhile my ending was borrowed for the film of Superman, & one of the nicest jokes was lifted by Carl Foreman for his film The Mouse That Roared. While scenes appeared in so many films that although the original text has never been – & never will be – produced on screen, moviegoers are by now so familiar with the whole notion of a comic visit to our small planet that the original seems like a worn copy. The final coup was the inclusion of the television play in a tenth-grade textbook; thus the story passed into the subconscious of an entire generation, a number of whom now make movies, & in their works, I enjoy, wistfully, bits of my old play. When the wit Elaine May was told that I had written Visit to a Small Planet, she said, “No. No. That’s not possible. That’s too famous a play to have an author.” ~ Palimpsest, A Memoir
Unlike some alienated & useful idiot vegetarian warmongers, among other sous vide pouch-poached antipersonnel-plinkers, Gore Vidal was, obviously, never pasteurized.
We have a bulldog. Need I say more?
When I am depressed or suffering from Weltschmertz I grab Cannery Row and get lost in the tale of Doc, the Bearflag and the boys. Steinbeck wrote some of the most beautifully depressing literature known to man. Outside of Cannery Row, when I read him I’m caught up in the imagery and dreading the unfolding of events.
Odd the mention of homosexuals and McCarthy and communists, especially in the context of the militant, in-your-face, accept us or else, homosexuality reigning over society these days. Couple that with the destruction of civil liberties and the intrusion of the totalitarian covid vaccine control over most everything state and you realize that McCarthy was right.
I do believe bisexual males are mostly homosexuals with a taste for strange every so often.
I image you read the mention of Diet for a Small Planet and thought of Vidal, except the diet book was dedicated to plants and bore no resemblance to anything remotely entertaining…unless haranguing is entertainment.
When it comes to outer space…my authority is always Vonnegut, followed by Heinlein.
“Small planet” ~ that “no one thought would be a success” ~ made me think the “dieter” thought of Vidal, along with the others he mentioned in that bit of his memoir. “…thus the story passed into the subconscious of an entire generation, a number of whom now make movies, & in their works, I enjoy, wistfully, bits of my old play.”
Lots more chew in that piece of meat protein, too.
I like the Winter of Our Discontent tie. That should twang current even harpists, for one string-thing.
(“Winter’s coming,” GOT set viewers up, flashed a tell, for the changing season…but I wanted North of the wall long before I ever heard the Tale of Fire & Ice…because it has always been wintry here amongst the abominably snowed men. And that redhead archer with the Scottish brogue…she seemed very warm.)
Then another string is right there next to that one, in that Steinbeck was cataloging all too familiar moral “decay” (as if it is more some kind of trip from virtue to viciousness than what it really is, which is an immovable rooted in place destination-condition…that contra Thoreau is unhackable…& that some call original sin) in ’61, back in the rosy glow so many like to claim were better days cuz better people. String after string, back, back, back…plucking one leads to something like the Lays potato chip effect (for curious, not potatohead, people)…
…Whether the stranger Valentine sends himself to strange small planet here & mixes with the 4% who can grok & share water &sex&sex&sex (seems like it was all straight hetero stuff, orgies too, but that was a long ago long read & I surely don’t recall every detail) before being “discorporated” eventually-inevitably by the Spirit of 96%’ers mob, or the mob flings its spores “out there” the “settings” don’t change the story – its all the same place because wherever ya go there ya are. The immutable immovably-rooted story, “roots deep in native earth” (Steinbeck…even if “nomads”…always loved that ’57 Chevy stationwagon: not your mom’s minivan, that one) is the point…
…“…war” “it is the only thing you people do really well down here,” (the force that gives “meaning” says Hedges…may the force-farce be with you says Tolstoy Skywalker, with that Russian sense of humor…) but only because WeUs is just getting going “out there” (that military highest ground wet dream ~ cuz terrain is everything ~ that black-quota TV physicist deGrasse Tyson talks about).
What’s odd about it…? Yet another string, bent, C(ensorship)Note reverbing back to the future. Situation normal AFU.
If McCarthy was right, then the dems are right about the reps, & vice versa, & all the other dueling label-banjo incest-savants, too.
For What It’s Worth ♪♫♪ Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong.
The govdolts then – any then – were just as wrong as the current glyphosate-drenched crop subsidies are. They’re all the same ilk of milk & honey moths attracted to the flame of “power” & if you’ve been silked into rah-rah-rooting for the good cop you’ve been given to consume, to lullabye-narcotize yourself with, that verbiage italicized you long before you grazed I Forget’s Salad Bar.
“Liberties” for most, who are merest Milgram Pilgrims, never were anything more than permissions that those good little germ•an•ophobes were willing to see suspended or revoked by whatever authority – & that is nothing new.
Commies? A fucking segment in the Seinfeld show about nothing, that.
The authoritarians, whatever the label du jour, don’t do anything – “their” born filleted minions do it all. “Society” is reign, self-imposed, not imposed by ostensible reign-handlers.
Based mostly on my reading about Vidal, he was based from the get & for the duration. No string connects him with the “sissie” (a descriptor he applied to Roosevlet 1, among others, btw) “gay” militants. Tough guy Buckley jr was overmatched at wits & character by Vidal … & if it had gone to blows, I’d bet Vidal to best (whether he returned fire, or not).
As far as homosex, I’d always thought it applied to at most 10% of the males, & some lesser percentage of females. And I always also thought it was a cut & dried chisel-ith (ya know, like those stone phalluses on Keaster Island). Vidal is convincing that that’s not the case; brings his time/experience with Kinsey/findings into it too.
I knew it’s a mixed up muddled up world – including Lola – but I never thought it was as same sex Kinks as it just might actually be. “You know nothing, John Snow.”
(I am flashing on the novel Unintended Consequences now. Some pretty lengthy effort is made to decloset the incidence of male-male rape {out in the world, not in prisons} that was also news to me. Yeah, that’s as different as urbane public intellectual Vidal’s sexual proclivities, as he describes them, & “gay militant sissies…” – just a flash, is all.)
Most of the most pernicious flatulence on Earth actually emanates from the said forum acolytes, anyway — particularly when they speak.
Same equation inspected from the other end; ALL plant matter composts in-place if NOT eaten, and EVERYTHING degrades (plant and carcass) and produces methane as it composts (or rots on the ground) so cows and all herbivores merely quick-compost whatever they eat. No more plant matter is produced than would be otherwise, it just gets composted by herbivores rather than in-place rotting, laying on the ground. Every living thing plant or animal, that dies composts and creates methane. It’s a wash. I think they call the whole thing a terrarium…
Yup, I’m going hunting tomorrow.
Word. In Newport Beach, CA there are, for lack of description, methane towers which constantly burn off the gas from all the swamp land surrounding the very expensive real estate. I have seen them and smelled them. There was also the unfortunate situation involving new home owners in Norco, CA. This occurred in the 1990’s. The housing tracts were constructed after all the dairy farms moved to the San Joaquin Valley area.
The amount of cow flop which had been buried in the soil proceeded to obey the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Proud new home owners were treated to their interior drywall bursting into the blue flame of methane. The law firm of Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe took over and I imagine by now, the developer and contractor are living in a cardboard box in an alley somewhere. Life is a vale of tears.
Sorry – you forgot to add the current wild ungulate populations to that of cows -deer and antelope at play, plus tatanka, elk, moose, etcetera and so forth and so on like that. Of course, Shotgun Trooper has it right regarding composted plant material.
exactly. if all this plant matter wasnt still rotting away by _some_ means it’d be heaped up in mountains all around us.. now come to think of it, back in the carboniferous something like that did happen. then some microbes evolved to digest lignin and that was the end of new coal.
but of course none of this climate shit makes sense if you try to accept any of their arguments. it only makes sense when one realizes that it’s all a (paper-flimsy) gambit for more control.
And what is the difference in methane production in cows raised in horrible feedlots versus those cared for by sustainable and humane farmers like you? I’m sure the numbers are out there but not widely published.
The whole world’s supply of herbivores does not come close to putting out the methane that the world’s swamps produce. If the environmentalists are so concerned about methane, why are they not advocating to drain all the world’s swamps?
Starting with the ones in DC and Brussels.
Add RICE paddies to that.
Overall, the rice paddy experiments revealed that increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere boosted rice yields by 24.5 percent and methane emissions by 42.2 percent, increasing the amount of methane emitted per kilo of rice.
http://www.ucdavis.edu/news/rice-agriculture-accelerates-greenhouse-gas-emissions
Or tell them how many megatons of methane would be released from the ocean bottom if a few well placed small charges disrupted crystal formations. The smallest geological shifts could accomplish the same.
HSF
Thanks for an insightful, incisive article with math simple enough that even a woke SJW might be able to follow it, although one must never make assumptions.
I have taken the sum of all the words said at COP26 and crunched them in my basement super computer and have arrived at a simple formula. The results? DRIVEL. Or, speaking of Slo Joe, drool.
to try and inform myself using my primitive and provincial skill sets- and a #2 pencil
clearly the problem with your reasoning.
Nobody uses #2 pencils anymore.
You probably used a slide rule also, and just won’t admit it.
Say what?
That’s not a cow (cattle)…that’s Bison Bison….this is a cattle (bull)…Bison aren’t cattle.
Oh, so no belching & farting, etc.
Did you read the article or just look at the pictures?
I specifically mentioned the bison population circa 1450. Cattle and bison are different species and there were no cattle her in 1450. The assumption that they both fart and belch was taken into the equation, simple as it was.
Looks more like a steer to me, but I’m an Okie, not a Texican.
It was cold when the picture was taken…
Well, so where’s the Wellington, Beef? You need to figure out how to add & subtract variables for irony & schizophrenia to your #2 pencillings.
If the ungulates to be hung, drained & aged are wild & free, those are good gasbags.
If like the Bison drain/age the process effectuates ‘final solutions’ of wildling tribes that cannot be goaded into a quick enough conversion to domestication, those are even better gasbags.
But if those sides of protein have been turned into domesticated grub, then they are bad, bad Leroy Brown gasbags – & they gotta’ go.
People, meaning those of the lower orders, are of course, mostly, perfectly domesticated & so earn the vaqueros’ who have expended so much effort domesticating those lower orders (& who are Valkyries in their own minds) contempt.
The V for Valkyrie maskerados are not & will never be careful about what they wish for.
So the branch of mathematics involved might be called anathemath. What that describes, & what it is in application, is not the province of Beautiful Minds.
Wer always looking for movies so I suggested we watch this again. My husband said he can’t stand any more crazy people.
We do not have a carbon problem. We do not have resource problem. We do not have a water problem. We do not have a pollution problem,
What we have is a population problem. 8 billion people on the planet is too fucking much. Reduce the population by 50% and all the other problems go away.
Perhaps that what is really happening.
You go first!!!
They never do… they always want others to go first…
We already know that when population reaches “equilibrium” people stop having kids. For a lot of reasons. Have faith in the system. When there’s too many, there will be a die-off. Count on it.
It would be nice to think that people would be smart enough to realize cause and effect before they push things to the point of cataclysm and the suffering that goes with it. The area where I live was basically agricultural up until a few years ago. The fields are now all being bought up by developers building houses by the thousands. This same phenomena is happening worldwide. It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that when you are building homes on your farmland you are basically eating your own tail.
I never had children, didn’t need to prove that my gonads worked.
I have a shit ton of religious friends, fucking themselves into oblivion. It’s their duty. The book says so. And as such, let them suffer the consequences of their father’s stupidity.
You believe the population numbers, why?
Wrong thinker, as the msm would say.
I do not need to read numbers. I have traveled the world and seen it for myself. Everywhere you go there are too many fucking people for the planet to support and for everyone to have a decent standard of living. That does not mean you have to kill people, just keep reproduction down to 2 kids and the problem will take care of itself.
Let them keep thinking god will provide.
I too have traveled the world, 30 countries before I was 30, slums are the result of ignorant humans fucking their way to heaven. And blaming it on everyone else.
We do not have a population problem. That’s another NWO snowjob foisted on the dumbed down public for whom MAFF be hard.
“brian
Actually oil carbon dates to about 10,000 years.
As for over population, that too is fake and stupid. We have poverty and hunger not from a lack of resources but due to criminal and evil people.
Canada alone could feed every man woman and child on this rock with just the arable land currently in use. Every continent has large tracts of arable lands to feed those people in that land.
BUT, just like in Zimbabwe, which used to be the bread basket of Africa, was turned into a shithole desolate wasteland by the criminal mugabe. Because criminals and evil vile people steal from their own people is WHY we have such poverty and hunger worldwide.”
We aren’t overcrowded either. The entire world population would fit nicely into Texas with MGM and still have a fifty by 100 front yard.
Not that her or they would want to but it demonstrates again how dumbing down the Peeblz keeps them from doing the MAFFS.
Wilbur…This is India…see the peoples? Then there is the Philippines and most of Asia, and, yes, there are too many peeples…After the Black Death the world was a much nicer place…not overcrowded, and.. pleasant.
” Ironically, the Europeans who made it through the Black Death inherited a much better world. Food prices dropped, labor wages increased, and there was a boost in the standard of living.”
I, not being a people person, have no use for the vast majority of the unwashed masses and the influx of said masses into my neck of the woods doesn’t leave me with happy mien. Most of the arable land is being covered in shitbox housing so at the rate they’re destroying the farm land, it may be sooner rather than later regarding starvation. I don’t know where you live but I wish all the masses on your doorstep rather than mine…
Didn’t I say, not that her or they would want to do that? Nobody was wishing them on your doorstep.
Using out of context pictures to disparage a point you cannot disprove only works with TBP regulars.
Today’s flatuance and populations have nothing to do with too many people or cows or bison(Attn: anonymous).
There is .735 acres per every man, woman, and infant in the Phillipenes.
Every family of five would have 3 1/2 acres to farm and we aren’t counting the vast area of surrounding inshore waters to fish from. In their climate that family could feed themselves on less than 1/8 acre.
This is how many of them live absent interference from the NWO. They don’t appear to lack imagination and ambition.
I used those photos to prove there were many more people than you claimed there were. Your contention that there’s plenty of land ignores how the land is destroyed by urban sprawl and how the better land is developed, leaving the harsher climates undisturbed.
When you have tons of filth. plastic and pollution the size of Europe floating in the ocean you have a problem and that problem is too many people using too many resources. When you have over fishing to the extent that entire species are in danger of extinction then you have a problem. I could go on but why bother?
According to a report published this week, an island of plastic waste floating in the Pacific has become so big it now rivals the size of France, Spain and Germany combined.
A person not so filled with anger nearly so thin skinned would have seen in my first statement that I blame mismanagement, greed and criminal activity. The point made is overpopulation is a NWO myth insepperable from the green, global warming, and anti people agenda. The latter so warmly embraced by you. Have you tried exlax?
Seems to me, that much plastic floating en masse as pictured there, would be relatively easy to clean up, but that would require thought as well as effort, and would result in one less thing to whine about. So, it won’t happen
Anyone who thinks you can survive on what you can grow on 1/8 acre does not know their ass from a hole in the ground. Have you ever been to the Philippines? I have, and I have seen the poverty and the starving children. Most people don’t make enough money per day to afford eat.
You are the one who doesn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. Talking trash out your buttocks.
To begin with that is poverty created by many factors not related to actually growing food. You totally ignored what me and Brian wrote and went off on a tangent, possibly because of resentments or hoping to get some from Lilith.
If you are basing your comment on something real then show me. If you are basing it on agribusiness figures you deserve what you get, which appears to be little to none in the brain department.
I’m not Klaus, I didn’t say they would like it. I said they could in order to show that it’s a myth that the world is overpopulated.
Your a damn idiot. Where in BFE do you live where overpopulation is not a problem, some podunk village 50 miles from the nearest freeway? You idiots think because there is vacant land, that it is somehow inhabitable and capable of production. Why do you think densely populated areas are where they are? It is because those areas have what people need to produce and generate wealth. Those areas are few and far between. Go spend 8 hrs in a traffic jam in one of those places and then tell me there is no overpopulation problem.
Your line of reasoning and complete ignorance is why the US population is so easy to dupe. Follow Dorothy to Oz and get a brain while they are still in stock.
It doesn’t matter whether “you have use for them” or not. They’re human beings, just like you.
Well, why don’t you just take those human beings into your home? It’s great being a liberal so long as you aren’t impacted personally, right? NIMBY ring a bell?
Wow, drawing a lot of incorrect conclusions from two sentences. Who said anything about being a liberal or supporting immigration?
I’m talking about basic human dignity. Or, basically the opposite of your first post.
Centinel that’s her mos. Meet Lilith.
Not to cast doubt about your numbers, Mr. Farmer, but we still have a very large deer population in the United States and they do not eat nearly as much as a cow. Another variable is what is being fed to the cattle, especially in the commercial feed lots (and the experiment). I would hazard to guess the modern feedlot produces much more methane than the same number of cattle on grasslands.
Of course, none of this matters one iota when it comes to changing the Earth’s climate. That big ol bright spot we see most days has more effect on our climate than anything man or his animals could ever achieve.
I have made the feed argument a few times before, this one was based solely on WEF/FedGov numbers and data, so no one could accuse me of cherry picking numbers favorable to my position. And yes, I should have factored the current deer herd population, but it too is substantially smaller, like the current bison and elk populations, in North America today.
Again, the purpose was to point out that if they cared about it at all, why do they eat all the best cuts all the time after polluting the shit out of the sky jetting to and from their confabs?
Because the entire narrative is a giant steaming load of horseshit.
That was the point of this little excursion into simple math.
What’s your take on the Younger Dryas era, vis-a-vis mammoth flatulence?
True sir, but the deer population around here is sustainable, no matter how many I shoot. Yes, they are drugged by chemtrails, but who isn’t?? Give me the backstrap. Love you man!
waaaaatt??? Say it ain’t so… /s
it does not really matter if that plant matter is digested by bacteria in a ruminant’s gut or by bacteria in the soil. The fact that it hasn’t heaped up into mile-high hills all around us (not since the carboniferous when it did heap up , and became mountains of coal, yummy coal!) , is the only proof you need that _something_ is decomposing it. Its decomposition by bacteria releases some methan and some co2. it really doesnt matter much at all _where_ that bacterial activity takes place. except , for power-drunk would-be dictators of the world, nothing is allowed to take place outside of their sphere of control.
Sources (Bill Bryson) tell us that the average temperature of the earth when not on fire or under ice is tropical. Things grow like mad with lots of CO2.
As for beef we know that when fed corn they produce prodigious amounts of methane, cause cows are range animals and get sickly when fed grains. Dumb people eat the meat from diseased cows. Smart people eat the meat from grass-fed cows and don’t give a shit about global warming. It can’t be said too often these days that most of the land used for raising cattle cannot be used for anything else. Yet the gargantuan corn crop uses water in amounts that are draining the Ogallala Aquifer, once the largest source of fresh water in the world. At some point, unless it rains day and night for god knows how many years, the water is going to disappear. But a lotta farmers don’t give shit because, you know, ethanol. Save the planet!
The answer to all this is to stop eating plants and just eat meat and organs from animals grazing on grass. Have you noticed how many people are fat, sick, and stupid these days? “Eat your veggies,” they say. But did our ancestors raise cucumbers? Well, sure, in the past few thousand years, agriculture has grown biggly, but before that, people ate meat and if really hungry ate anything else. But when ag came in big time their bones suffered as the anthropologists tell us by noting that after ag got going, health declined in the human population. What to do seems plain enough. Don’t buy anything from a grocery store unless it carries raw milk, avocados, sauerkraut, toilet paper and maybe a little fruit and berries.
I hate cucumbers. Cucumbers are just pickles that ain’t done yet.
There is a very long slow learning curve for Science for Americans because half of them are Democrats. We have been cooling in a Grand Solar Minimum called the Eddy Minimum for a decade and it will continue to about 2050 or maybe to 2100. The best Russian Solar Physicist think it might get as deep as the Maunder Minimum 400 years ago that froze the Thames River in London. CO2 much less cow farts have nothing to do with it; that’s a tale much to do about nothing told by an idiot to a moron. PS: If TPTB manufacture “meat” from vegetables etc, the product will not have the amino acids of real meat and the people who eat it will end up looking like they came from Bangladesh.
Bacteria make B12….ruminants synthesize it in their guts using certain bacteria, ditto birds and other animals. Predators get their b12 from their prey and Nori seaweed also has significant amounts of b12. Animal feces contains B12 as well although I don’t recommend it as a source of B12.
MyG- You aware that some Jap dude was credited with capturing protein from raw sewage, then processing the protein into fake beef steak which looks like marbled meat (sort of). Gates has a patent on fake meat for the masses, wonder if it’s made from shit?
Check out the cooking oil made from sewage in China…
And when Marie said “let them eat cake “ she unknowingly doomed herself, so shall the elite aholes that believe they are running the world.
How many cow farts does it take to equal just one private jet output on the way to a elite /billionaire get together? Times that by all the private jets for the two faced assholes who eat lavish food daily including beef.
They make me sick.
Speaking of farts…
The cows are destroying the planet!!! Do the math that is one of my favorite lines as it applies in so many ways to the progressive tripe we hear everyday. Anyway, I think methane from livestock is one of the many evils the greenies say must be stopped. I never hear any mention of the massive amounts of methane released from the oceans. Maybe if we drain the oceans the methane can be stopped! Ridiculous you say? Well so are most of the “solutions” for livestock which is to eliminate them. Who loses we the people! They concentrate on what they can control which is us. Shut up and eat your impossible meat. Its called impossible because it will be taken away as well!
The cows are destroying the planet is just another way to take away something the masses enjoy.
Termites produce ten times more methane by far than cows or humans, because the weight of termites, worldwide, is far greater than either…https://farmdesire.com/do-termites-produce-more-methane-than-cows/
You’ll be eating them and be happy.
So there’s that.
I think one would also have to add the current population of wild ungulates to the domestic population in order to arrive at a reasonable estimate.
The numbers, much like those of the indigenous population, are drastically lower by orders of magnitude.
Just switch the cows from grass and feed to Brondo. It’s got electrolytes.
I listened to Terry Bradshaw today about Aaron Rodgers. Aaron lied, he took a cattle dewormer, he only thinks about himself, we are a divided nation on the “vaccine” blah blah blah.
Bradshaw received cheers. Truth about C02, cow farts, or a vaccine that is not a vaccine, people will only hear what they want to hear, a minority might listen but the dumbed down majority will just go along.
Bradshaw is apparently one of the dumbed down majority.
A shit storm is brewing, because of what they are doing and also because resistance is not futile…..TPTB no likey.
You’d have to find the current number of those large ungulates first. There are fewer buffalo, but there are more deer now than 600 years ago, for example.
I don’t need math to tell me anything the globalists say is to increase their power, and any resemblance to the truth is happenstance.
So you are a deer, elk and bison denier? Last I checked there are still deer, elk and bison. You did not add them to the 90 million cows.
Not trying to bust your balls. Just pointing out an extremely simple mistake in your calculations that can be used to discredit your opinion on the subject.
My opinion.
In order to melt ice the ambient temperature must be above freezing. A very large mass of ice keeps the ambient temperature in the vicinity of that mass lower, but as long as the temperature is above freezing that mass will continue to melt. The smaller that mass of ice becomes the higher the ambient temperature around that mas will become and the faster what is left of the ice will melt.
To stop “global warming” the world would need to go back into an ice age. If that does not happen all the glaciers and ice caps will melt completely at some point. It is the natural way of things.
“BEEF it’s what’s for dinner”
Everyone expects the glaciers to go on forever, without the cold temps to sustain them. That is insanity in itself if you don’t realize it’s the same as leaving the freezer door open in a warm kitchen. It melts.
There’s climate science being taught here to young college students, their teachers themselves are idiots and warping the minds of anyone they can, all for political purposes. The students are too naive to understand it’s deliberate lying and turn into rabid climate change mongers like little Greta. They were the first to get vaxxed, per school regs, and all one can say is; good riddance. There is no good that come from that kind of mental poisoning.
And don’t become an apologist for them, they’d have you killed in a heartbeat.
Totally agree!
The bolshie’s are hungry?…
Let them eat Klaus Schwab, Fauci, Bill Gates, Greta ‘Thunder-Thighs’
and others, especially the Rothschilds that compromise the ‘Parasite Class’
All they need to do is fab up some Luau sauce to taste…
And they’ll say, “Mmmmmmm..Klaus and that endowed progressive
tenured black lesbian Professor from UC Davis…taste like….chicken!!”
‘Some ‘umans be tastier than other ‘umans!!….’
That’s WHY one DOESN’T want to be any where near
the cities in the FUSSA…the innercity blacks and others
currently subsisting via welfare already have this figured
out.
And they have NO problem dropping back into cannibalism
when/if necessary….
“Escape from NYC/LA” doesn’t even come close!
Stay safe out there…and transmute bolshi’s into ‘good bolshi’s!’
NorthGunner – The Truth Is It’s OWN Defense!