By ICE-9
Slave [sleyv] from Middle English, from Old French sclave, from Medieval Latin sclāvus (“slave”), from Late Latin Sclāvus (“Slavic Person”), from Byzantine Greek Σκλάβος (Sklábos), from Proto-Slavic slověninъ …
The seminal image many 50+ year old Americans have regarding the West African slave trade’s operating model can be traced back to the 1977 television miniseries Roots. Some of you may recall sitting in front of your CRT television screen unknowingly watching the roots of a future social justice movement unfold before your eyes as a gang of European men magically appear deep within the Heart of Darkness wielding nets, superior numbers, and incredible brutality and snatch up a young and happy Kunta Kinte from his ancestral homeland.
Like me, I bet the knot in your gut got tighter at each stage as Kunta Kinte was first shipped off in chains to a slave depot, sold at auctioned, and finally sent to America where his foot got cut off and he was renamed Toby. The miniseries was a monumental success at implanting those first seeds of suburban white guilt into what had previously been infertile terrain. Afterwards, many Americans could never innocently watch OJ Simpson run through airports in quite the same way.
Roots was the initial vector that dug its pernicious roots into the formerly oblivious white collective consciousness. It succeeded where back in the 1960s continuous years of three minute lead story action clips on the Six O’clock Evening News showing groups of helpless southern Negroes getting pummeled by police truncheons and slammed with water cannons had failed. Thus those January nights back in 1977 unleashed the power of humanized myth that unequivocally proved superior to the old ways of cold impersonal facts. It was through this new found power of myth and the visceral emotions it conjured that a primordial wokeness was spawned.
Today, when discussing even the most oblique references to slavery in America, the emotions ignite, misguided passions reign supreme, facts equate to racism, and the phenomenology of history devolves into one where history becomes but a construct derived to aid and abet a white supremacist patriarchy. Case in point – according to current woke orthodoxy, evil cis-male Europeans just up and sailed 3,500 miles south to forgotten lands like Zenaga, trekked hundreds of miles inland without roads, maps, or logistic support, and – according to some extraordinary unverified estimates – kidnapped up to six million innocent Africans.
But was this the reality on the ground in West Africa circa 1619, or did Europeans instead rely on intermediaries to conduct their dangerous, high opex dirty work and if so, who were these intermediaries? Do Americans have an accurate understanding of the West African slavery supply chain, or have they instead meekly decided to go along to get along and ingest without question a toxic narrative that is an antipathy encumbered product tainted by a combination of pop culture and political agenda? And last, did slavery in West Africa materialize out of thin air with the first appearance of Europeans, or did it exist long before their arrival?
The answer to this last question is both morally and legally significant, as it could nullify any and all claims to both tangible and ethical debts of reparation borne by ancestral liability. For if Caucasian Americans are collectively guilty – including those who immigrated here after the Civil War – as a result of their ancestors’ theoretical participation in the West African slave trade, would not a basis be equally established to extend slavery’s collective culpability to African Americans if it were shown that their ancestors too participated to an equal degree in the West African slave trade? Would not equal culpability on both ancestral sides of the Atlantic nullify any and all claims by one party against the other? Further still, if slavery in West Africa was shown to be prevalent long before the arrival of Europeans, based on the premise of hereditary culpability, then slavery in America could no longer exist as some kind of alleged “Original Sin”.
The forthwith exposition can be considered a template for countering the unreasonable and fanciful woke dogma surrounding the realities of West African slavery and specifically, the false claims regarding Europe’s and America’s sole complicity in this industry. It is an attempt – described here in broken wokespeak – to deconstruct the prevailing narrative derived to aid and abet a People of Color aligned, non-binary, trans-supremacist heterarchy. Let us begin our journey of enlightenment.
The Songhai Empire as Gateway to Europe’s Appetite for African Slaves
Between the 4th and early 16th centuries AD, through a succession of kingdoms that included Wagadou (Ghana), Mali, and Songhai, the West African Sahel was among the wealthiest regions on earth during a period when most of Europe wallowed in medieval feudalism. Prior to the discovery of the Americas, West Africa was the world’s largest source of gold – so much gold in fact that when the Malian king Mansa Musa visited Mecca during his 14th century hajj, his 60,000 strong retinue (including 12,000 slaves) distributed so much gold that he crashed its value and created a decade of economic chaos on the Arabian peninsula.
The Niger River during this time possessed six times more arable land than the Nile. In the adjacent Sahara to the north, Africans operated extensive salt mining operations. With the arrival of the Arabs in the 8th century AD, a prodigious iron smelting and blacksmithing industries occupied entire villages from one end of the Sahel to the other. The West African political economy was such that no king ever enforced strict ownership over the entirety of his realm, so after the millet harvest an African peasant could earn good extra income panning for alluvial gold, mining iron ore, harvesting trees to make charcoal fuel for iron smelting, or travelling north to labor in the salt mines.
The Sahel during this period was awash in food and gold and large prosperous cities like Gao grew into architectural wonders. So what happened that would drain not only the wealth of an established long-standing power center yet leave nothing behind but piles of dirt from what were formerly majestic structures of timber and adobe brick? The short answer is that it all fell to pieces due to horses.
In the 9th and 10th centuries AD, trade caravans from what are today Morocco and Algeria began regularly making their way south through the Sahara desert during the winter months. These caravans initially brought with them manufactured goods and luxury items to exchange for gold, ivory, specialty woods, animal skins, and salt. But during the 13th century these caravans started supplying a vital military component to the various competing rulers of the Sahel – Barb horses. Ownership of horses gave each ruler a cavalry, and ownership of large herds could facilitate military superiority over rivals.
The Malian, Hausa, Mossi, Bornu, Kanem and Songhai cavalries regularly battled each other for over three hundred years to what could be considered an equilibrium sometimes punctuated with transient victories and an occasional ebb or flow of juxtaposed borders. Continuous combat was made possible only by a steady supply of Barb horses from the Maghreb, a market that traders were happy to oblige as the supply of gold from the Sahel appeared endless.
But with its monsoonal climate and tropical diseases like trypanosomiasis, the Sahel Africans found it difficult to breed horses – the local Dongola sub-breed had a short life expectancy – and thus a steady flow of imported Barb horses were required to both replenish the high equine mortality rates and maintain at least military parity with the surrounding kingdoms. These imported horses were expensive and were initially paid for with alluvial gold, which was starting to go into productive decline during the 15th century at about the same time the Songhai king Sonni Ali Ber led a successful campaign to defeat his enemy Mali and consolidate rule over the Sahel from Lake Chad to the Cap-Vert peninsula. So the height of Songhai power coincided with maximum operating costs to retain that power just as alluvial gold production from the Niger River went into decline.
Saddled with the mounting expense of maintaining many cavalry regiments stretching across an 1,800 mile expanse, the Songhai lords began to launch slave raids upon the various Sahel peoples. So as the 15th and 16th centuries progressed, slaves rather than gold became more and more the medium of exchange between the Songhai lords and the horse traders of the Maghreb. As these traders brought more and more slaves to the Mediterranean coast of North Africa, most were purchased by Arabs but many were sold on to Europeans where they were employed as domestic servant in wealthy cities like London and Antwerp and were considered a high status symbol – the “negars and blackmoores” of 16th century Elizabethan England. So it was not the Europeans that first procured slavery in West Africa, but the Songhai themselves that introduced Europe to African slaves via Arab and Berber intermediaries. Europeans at this time were a minor end customer, where the primary slave demand was provided by Arabs.
As the 16th century ground out successive years, the gold really began to play out. Continuous and devastating slave raids depopulated the Niger River goldfield regions – crashing not only gold but also food production – and drove its inhabitants onto marginal lands that had been earlier deforested to manufacture charcoal for the formerly prodigious iron smelting industry. Over a period of 200 years the once prosperous Sahel was transformed into a land inhabited by subsistence food scavengers and all powerful cavalry lords where the incessant demand for horses laid economic waste to this once prosperous region.
With Songhai power in the late 16th century at its nadir as a result of internecine strife and succession wars among the dead king Askia Daoud’s many sons, the Sultan of Morocco, Ahmad al-Mansur, took advantage of the ensuing political instability and sent a military expedition across the Sahara and in 1591 these 4,000 Moroccans and their cannons defeated the Songhai at the battle of Tondibi.
Thus with the defeat of the powerful Songhai Empire the coast of West Africa south of the Arab stronghold Nouakchott was left wide open to European maritime exploitation. By 1625 the Dutch had established a permanent settlement at Gorée and the Portuguese likewise at Portudal, both located in modern day Senegal. These initial European forays onto West African soil provided the vital resupply anchorage that enabled further permanent settlements along the entirety of the Gulf of Guinea and as far south as Namibia. And it is at this point where the Kunta Kinte mythology begins with the permanent settlement of Europeans on African soil who allegedly trekked hundreds of miles inland into dangerous areas they did not control to randomly kidnap happy Africans into slavery. Was this the reality on the ground in Africa back in 1619? The Angolan experience provides the answers.
The Angolan Model of Contracted Slave Procurement
The gradual encroachment of European settlements down the Atlantic coast of West Africa did not lead to immediate mass colonization as malaria and tsetse flies kept out all but the hardiest and most rapacious adventurers. But how did these Europeans procure so many slaves to service the burgeoning and incredibly profitable sugar and tobacco charters of the Caribbean? The Kunta Kinte procurement model would have eventually led to depopulation of the local areas as the traditionally semi-mobile Africans would have just up and moved out of reach like they did to avoid the Songhai lords, and Africans were beginning to adopt European weapons in their defense. So – how did so many Africans end up as slaves in the Americas despite their overwhelming numbers back in Africa?
The answer lies in the Angolan model which was by no means confined to this region alone. During the first half of the 16th century the Portuguese established a permanent trading station at the port of Soyo, a province within the Kingdom of Kongo on the south bank at the mouth of the Congo River. The significance of Soyo was it established the first European occupation in West Africa outside the provenance of the tsetse fly, and with trypanosomiasis absent, colonists could settle and import European livestock for the first time on the African Atlantic coast. Entire families of Portuguese colonists began to arrive and by 1575 the city of Luanda was founded, followed by Benguela in 1587. With Angola’s drier, more temperate climate, these early European colonists got to the business of building homes, clearing land, farming, fishing, and raising their livestock. But one thing they did not do was get to the business of travelling hundreds of miles inland to hunt down and capture slaves. They left that to others – and these others weren’t Europeans.
Soon after the Portuguese planted their flag at Soyo, they granted a trade monopoly to the Kingdom of Kongo which ruled over what is now northwestern Angola. But as Portugal established colonies to the south of Soyo, these new colonies were located in lands claimed by Kongo but occupied by Ambundu peoples of the N’Dongo and Kisama states within the Kwanza River valley. Because of the trade monopoly specifics granted to Kongo, the Bakongo could sweep through the Kwanza River valley and capture the local Ambundu and sell them into slavery to the Portuguese, but the Ambundu could not capture these Bakongo raiders and sell them into slavery to the same customer. This egregious injustice incensed the N’Dongo king to the point of declaring war on – not the Portuguese – but the Bakongo in an attempt to break the discriminatory trade monopoly. The Ambundu were successful and in 1556 they defeated the Bakongo in a war fought not to end the enslavement of their fellow Africans, but to extend to themselves the right to capture, enslave, and sell their Bakongo neighbors to the Portuguese.
Despite the N’Dongo victory and elimination of Kongo influence in the Kwanza River valley, the Portuguese insisted on upholding their original trade agreement, so the Kongo trade monopoly remained in place with the Ambundu still cut out of all commercial activity with the Portuguese. Realizing they had prosecuted a war for nothing, the N’Dongo spent the next several decades threatening colonists and harassing Portuguese interests up and down the Kwanza River valley without any penetration into the colonial economy. In 1590 N’Dongo had had enough of the commercial status quo so it allied itself with its eastern Ambundu neighbor Matamba and together they declared war on all Portuguese interests across Angola.
This war led the Portuguese to construct a network of fortalezas up and down the Angolan coastline and after years of protracted violence the Portugal finally defeated the N’Dongo in 1614. Portugal’s first act after victory was to invite their old trading partner – the Bakongo – to commence mop-up operations across the Kwanza River valley in order to clear out the defeated Ambundu and bring them in chains to the new network of fortalezas, which not only served as troop garrisons and acropoli for the local inhabitants, but also as slave depots that accommodated the swelling numbers of captured Ambundu before being auctioned off and sent to Brazil.
With the defeat of the Ambundu the N’Dongo matriarchal dynasty fled east to their ally Matamba. There, a royal refugee named N’Zinga M’Bandi betrayed the hospitality shown her by Matamba and began secret negotiations with Luanda for a return of the Ambundu to the Kwanza River valley. N’Zinga M’Bandi secured agreements that not only deposed the sitting Matamban queen – handing her the crown by subterfuge – but also convinced the Portuguese to nullify their long standing trade monopoly granted to the Kingdom of Kongo which, in effect, established the Ambundu peoples in the slave procurement business.
The new Matamban queen made haste regarding her political and business affairs and quickly consolidated N’Dongo and the neighboring Kasanje states under her rule. By 1619, Queen N’Zinga had grown her realm into the most powerful African state in the region using the wealth generated from her industrial scale slave procurement undertaking. Within a few decade of Queen N’Zinga’s ascension, the regions surrounding central Angola were depopulated of not only the rival Bakongo peoples, but of its Ovimbundu, Ganguela, and Chokwe peoples too.
The lucrative Angolan slave trade not only flourished under female African leadership, but grew scientific and efficient and continued unabated until the Portuguese crown outlawed the colonial slave trade in 1869. However, avarice and ingenuity always prevail so after this slavery prohibition a vibrant slave black market continued unabated as abolition only served to drive up the price of slaves and therefore the incentive to procure them in the field. These lucrative smuggling operations from Angola lasted up until the day its primary customer Brazil abolished slavery in 1888.
Today the dominance of the Ambundu peoples in the business, political, and military affairs of modern day Angola is directly traced to the business acumen, organizational skills, and operational efficiency that the Ambundu peoples’ developed during their 269 year monopoly over slave procurement in Angola. From the tens of thousands of their fellow African “brothers” and “sisters” that the Ambundu sold into slavery, they accumulated incredible wealth that enabled them to occupy a position of respect, influence, and near equality in colonial Angola unparalleled anywhere in colonial Africa. They became, in a sense, the “Master Ethnicity” of the region.
Twilight of the Woke Idols
The irony behind the etymology for the word slave, lost upon the woke and the allies of Critical Race Insanity, is that slave derives from ancient words describing Caucasian Slavic peoples. If slavery were at the core of the “American Experience”, America long ago would have adopted a word for slave that describe African peoples just as the Romans employed Sclāvus to describe a Slav. But in the 402 years since 1619, Americans have not made this linguistic transition because there is an older and deeper collective history of slavery that can be traced back millennia to Eastern Europeans who constitute a large proportion of the American population.
Yet somehow this deeper history has not affected Caucasians of eastern European descent – even the generational poor – in the same way it has tormented the collective psyche of African Americans. Maybe these demons are not so much the product that African Americans were once slaves, but instead a manifestation of the incessant bombarded of acerbic messages from the Academia-Media-Technocracy Complex demanding that African Americans play the role of perpetual victims and that they deserve some abstract redress from those who themselves have never benefitted from systemic anything.
Or is there a deeper pathological diagnosis, a sepsis of personal ontology whereby the current woke narrative is a desperate attempt at mass cognitive dissonance to blot out the humiliating reality that one’s ancestors were traded in bulk by one’s own kind for the likes of a horse?
Africans were one of many peoples in a long line of slaves procured by Europeans but they are the last group before the prohibitions of the Utilitarian campaigns of universal human rights put an end to the practice. Thus it is this ‘Last In, First Out” queuing that gives African Americans claim to their title of “systemic victims” without regard to the broader history of European slavery during the preceding two millennia – including Medieval feudalism. The reality on the ground for centuries in Europe was that slave relations were between Caucasian Master and Caucasian slave.
And with the advent and maturing scientific efficiency of institutions such as central banking, nation states, denominational religions, non-governmental organizations, together with the application of mass psychology, one finds upon further scrutiny that this predominant relationship between Master and slave has changed little over the millennia. We Americans are, in a sense, all slaves – caught in a systemic nexus of control with few options of escape. Therefore, claims of “systemic injustice” and demands for redress are nothing more than demands to be promoted from field hand to domestic slave unless the true, invisible system of enslavement is abolished for all Americans.
Slavery existed for millennia throughout the entirety of the Bantu populated African continent prior to the arrival of Europeans. African slaves were captured, worked hard in the millet fields, scolded, beaten, sold multiple times, raped, and murdered well before the first European footprint was impressed on a West African beach. Slavery was the natural African social condition, it continued as Europeans colonized the continent, and in some places it continues today after most Europeans have left. Thus any conception of an “Original Sin” borne by Americans through ancestry lies not with Caucasians, but with those of African ancestry as Africans themselves were the origination point for the West African slavery supply chain where they occupied the roles of contractor, planner, procurer, and transporter to distribution hubs.
The indigenous Africans were, in modern terms, the Chief Operating Officers of the West African slave trade. Europeans played the roles of wholesale customer, clearing house, and retail distributor of a product offered to them by brazen and entrepreneurial local rulers who amassed great wealth from their endeavors and whose ancestors today are the beneficiaries of an “ethnic privilege” derived from this wealth and societal status as former Masters.
The truth is that this seminal enduring image created with Kunta Kinte’s abduction is a fraud and was fabricated to not only impugn the Caucasian audience and henceforth brand them evil and complicit through ancestry, but was also consciously constructed to expiate the guilt surrounding the ugly and brutal truth that Africans themselves were the culpable party. Had indigenous Africans not captured and sold so many of their brethren into slavery, there would likely be very few African Americans today.
Epilogue
The woke will never mention the 800 years of an East African slave trade conducted by Arab merchants up and down the Indian Ocean coast. The woke won’t utter a word regarding present day slavery across the Sahel countries of Mauritania, Mali, Niger, Chad, and Sudan. One hears only silence from the woke when one mentions the “Systemic Ethniscism” that permeates every Bantu nation where wealth and power are concentrated into the hands of a dominant ethnic group.
The woke ignore the 3,000+ freed African slaves who show up in the ante bellum US census who were granted manumission, inherited plantations from their former owners, and kept the slaves. No woke person ever admits that American Indians owned African slaves nor will they / them accept that slavery permeated Nahuatl culture even as they / them espouse the virtues of Greater Aztlán. And the woke will never accept that it was Europeans who eventually stamped out slavery within the Bantu cultural world despite it being the natural human condition there for centuries.
And, most importantly, the woke will never acknowledge that all Americans are trapped in a nexus of corporate, bureaucratic, technological, and psychological control where the true “American Experience” has devolved into one where everyone is a slave serving invisible Masters. Until these Masters’ hands are removed from every lever of power and influence in our nation – by any means necessary – abstractions like “equality” and “equity” are nothing more than job promotions on the American plantation. The woke will never become unwoke because they love their servitude, it has opened the door for them to serve an irresponsible existence free of rationality, logic, true meaning in their existence. Through their wokeness, they have essentially been freed from Freedom – they can place no hope in death, and their blind lives are so abject that they are envious of every other fate. The world should let no fame of theirs endure; both true Justice and Compassion must disdain them.
One final comment about those 4,000 Moroccans at the Battle of Tondibi. The invading Moroccan army was commanded by a one Judar Pasha, but he was not always known by this name. Judar was born Diego de Guevara, an inhabitant of the Spanish region of Andalusia who as a boy was captured by Arab slave raiders, packed off in chains to Morocco, and sold into slavery to the Moroccan Sultan. And just like Kunta Kinte, Diego’s name got changed, but where Kunta Kinte had his foot cut off, Judar was castrated and forced to serve this foreign Sultan as a eunuch. But we will never see a TV miniseries where an Arab slave wrangler hangs one Diego de Guevara upside down by his ankles, thrashes him with a bull whip, and screams repeatedly, “Your name is not Diego, your name is Judar!”
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Falling to your knees to have your tonsils glazed by a modern Kunta Kente is no way to make a living sweetheart.
Agreed
Kunta Kinte’s name in English is Leroy.
Alex Haley plagarized his book…his book was based on a book by Harold Courlander,who is white .
Who got a million dollar judgment in Federal Court from Haley and his publisher..
Also,people should read,White Cargo.Guess what the cargo was and guess the ethnic and religious backgrounds of theslavers!We need to let it go.Reincarnation is very Real as is karma.Reparations,my arse.Start with all the women worldwide whove been deprived,starved,feet bound,set on fire,enslaved,rzped,intimidated,held back,deprived medical treatment and education as well S any freedom and privacy.
I’m certain you wouldn’t tell Jews to forget and to return the billions in reparations they receive from Germany and the US. Only racist like you would dare to tell Blacks to forget the transgressions they suffer in this country. Oh and don’t forget the many African women who were raped to you people..you are truly an evil person.
Get with the facts Sidney. All the accusations of the past 200 years are pure bunk and that includes the Holycost. Thousands of lies continuously expressed in the common medium with no opposition gives the impression of reality to the “unwoke”. Lenin said- just give me four years of control of the schools and the seed I implant will never be uprooted-. That is just what has happened to the youth of America.
The case rested on the slave ship scene and other writings, which were determined to be plagiarism.
Movies have never made me feel guilty about anything.
Me either. In fact we had a lot of fun with it. For ex. If a friend or sibling ask us to do something we’d say “Who do I look like, Knitu Kuntee?
Root Rot is the appropriate name for that garbage.
Root did bring notoriety to the first black prostitute: Renta Kunta.
Hasn’t worked on me, that theme. I wasn’t born yet, my parents weren’t born yet. I had nothing to do with it. No negro alive today was a slave in the US. Except Lebron of course.
It may be said they are sort of enslaved to the Democrat Communist Party.
Just a note in passing……Alex Haley’s Roots story was proven to be fake, phoney, and false. Fucking liar!!!
You don’t say?
The Democrats have always used exploitation as a means to gain more power and control. They where doing it then, they are doing it now. If the progressive left comes along side your cause(regardless of what color they are) beware, at some point you and your cause will be exploited to gain more power and control. History points this out quite clearly to a researcher seeking the un-bias truth. Though this may start a big fire on this well educated forum. Take a look at three-fifths compromise in the original US Constitution. Make an honest effort to understand the compromise and for the wiki researchers, beware of false information swarming around this topic.
When I say Democrat I mean more of a “state of mind” than a political party.
When I say slave. I mean look at the taxes you pay SLAVE MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I say Democrat, I mean Communist.
Interesting . . . .
This is plain bullsh-t. It never happened. Visit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Samuel_Wise to learn about this man.
Do you really think Wikipedia is a credible source?
Don’t blame it on the Democrats. The Republican forte is playing the “Please don’t throw me in that there briar patch”. Just another false left/right divide and conquer ploy.
Agreed
Wikipedia has been a MOSSAD ASSET VIA NARRATIVE CONTROL,FOR YEARS.THE CREATOR HAS BEEN DISGUSTED BY THISANF SPOKEN OUT REPEATEDLY.HE SAID A NEWER DEMOCRATIC,NO B.S. VERSIONIS BEING CREATED.
African slavery is simple, Chiefs sold those captured in war, and often some of their own tribe, to slavers who were mostly Arab.They then resold them..William the Conqueror and many others did the same in Europe…
Note that Jews ran the white slave trade in Europe, which mainly featured women and children sold in North Africa,,,,
????? WTF are you talking about
A large percentage of the slave traders were jewish. Dr. Martin, a black man, professor emeritus of African Studies wrote a book, The Jewish Onslaught, about the power of the Jewish mafia (my term) and their attempts to rewrite history.
“An essay on Black-Jewish relations, primarily in the United States, by a professor of African American History who became embroiled in controversy over his classroom use of a book detailing the well- documented Jewish role in the Atlantic slave trade.
The Jewish Onslaught discusses, among other things, the increasing attacks of Jewish organizations on Black leaders and scholars, the alleged halcyon period of a Black-Jewish alliance, the Jewish role in the slave trade and the Jewish attack on Afrocentrism.”
The Nation of Islam Supports this message. Know your enemy for crying out loud. This is like sighting excerpts from mein kampf. Get a grip!
Intellectually Challenged. Hard to debate with someone who hates entire race of people. I’m not Jewish but man that shit is offensive. I guess no amount of BS is going to change my outlook and get me to join with the ignorant masses. Are there bad people who happen to be jews? Sure there are. But then again, you want to find a monster, look within our own selves and there goes the monster.
Do you want facts or do you want to live in a fantasy world? I’m no fan of the ‘evil jews control it all’ narrative and have spoken out against it most vociferously, just do some checking if you doubt me. I also support reality and most importantly, I support facts and research and the fact is….a very large percentage of slave traders were Jewish. Get a grip here….
So what, You can’t cover your hate with BS logic. Just another opportunity to bash an entire race of people. “Jew” is pretty general expression. History your ass! You to want see some historical persecutions, then spend some time looking into the atrocities committed against the Jewish race by so called Christians and Muslims. Jew haters are an interesting bread of humans to say the very least.
Oh and looking at where you guys are getting your information(History -LOL) from speaks volumes to your character. Just say “Jew” and the dog pile begins. Biblical much!
You’re an idiot…and you don’t have a clue about me or my comments or my history here and, if you want to toss me into the anti-semite group then, as I stated, you are an idiot.
I hope the pay you’re getting from the Feds and ADL compensates for posting idiocy…
I like where I live.
Galatians 3:28 KJB… “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
STFU and pay your tribute via federal,auto, land, medical, SS. Pay us loser and feel good about it!!!!!!!!!!
Here’s another unpleasant fact..the ADL was created and funded to provide propaganda cover for the Jewish criminal gangs who had emigrated to the US in the early 20th century, and featured folks like Meyer Lansky and the Purple Gang..
@ God Smack:
You do understand the history of Martin and why he was attacked don’t you?
Farrakhan wasn’t wrong when he wrote about jews in the slave trade.. there were many countries that traded in slaves, the US was only one of the very many. The Anti-Defamation league was loud and vociferous in denouncing the facts, they wanted no mention of jewish slave traders, bad for the image, you know. Another Wellesley professor, a Jewish professor, took umbrage with Martin for his inclusion of Farrakhan literature in his reading lists and attacked him. Martin sued her, and she demanded that the school pay for her lawsuit fees, which they refused to do.
“The dean of Wellesley College, Nancy Kolodny, declined to pay Lefkowitz’s court costs. She reportedly said to Lefkowitz: “It’s your problem. The college can’t help you.” In the end, the Anti-Defamation League provided for Lefkowitz’s defense. Three other national Jewish organizations, the American Jewish Committee, the American Jewish Congress and the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, provided assistance. The case went through six years of appeals and counter-appeals, and was finally dismissed.[28][29]”
If you want an example of how the Jewish mafia works, look no further than how they attacked a reporter for pointing out the fact that George Soros was influencing elections and how one of his chosen DA’s was encouraging crime and criminality in Chicago.
“In his July 22 column, Kass pointed the finger of responsibility for the spike in murders in Chicago and other cities at progressive prosecutors who, like Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx, were elected with the help of millions from billionaire George Soros. “He remakes the justice system in urban America, flying under the radar,” Kass wrote about Soros, by supporting the election of prosecutors who “help give repeat, violent criminals little or no bond when arrested” and let the violent out of jail.
The column ignited a firestorm. In a July 27 letter to the editor to the Tribune, the ADL slammed the column for “casting a well-known Jewish individual as a puppet master who manipulates high-profile events for malign purposes” and “mainstreaming anti-Semitic tropes.” Alderman Martin piled on, describing the column as “just the latest manifestation of an old trope that Jews foment civil unrest.” And the Tribune Guild Executive Board condemned Kass for an “odious, anti-Semitic conspiracy theory that billionaire George Soros is a puppet master controlling America’s big cities” that “does not deserve a mainstream voice.”
Nowhere in the article did Kass mention any religion or jewish affiliation of any sort. Not once, but, he was attacked for being an anti-semite because he brought George Soros into the picture.
Mein Kampf should be read if you want to understand history. Censoring books is very progressive, as is pulling down confederate statuary. Rewriting history to suit a narrative is also very progressive.
There were some books written about the topic of censorship. Fahrenheit 451 comes to mind, as does 1984.
https://thespectator.info/2020/08/16/this-jew-stands-with-john-kass-against-anti-semitic-hit/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(professor)
Okay, so all Italian’s are members of the mafia. The nefarious race of people who want you to pay them protection money or else. That’s the full extent of the history of the Italian race. Farrakhan said so, son it must be true. Every race has it’s apologists. It’s a way to put cover over the atrocities that humans commit against each other. I’m ugly on the inside.. just like you.
The other thing that’s your missing here is there was no Israel nation in the times your talking about unlike oh I don’t know, Germany, France, England, America, Spain, Arabia, Persia, etc. the Jewish race was spread over the entire globe, both good and bad people, no different than any other established race of people. We all got our demons to contend with. Saying “well those krauts sure did fuck the world up” is miss representation of the German race in general. The times we live in can have large influence on the societal norms we are willing to except.
Israel has nothing to do with the topic at hand. You are conflating the topic of jewish slave traders to include all jews at all times in history and the world… and, you’re so far off the mark that you’re embarrassing yourself.
Damn, son. Are you being deliberately obtuse here? The Jewish Mafia is the same group who launch attacks on anyone or anything that disrupts their very profitable narrative. I gave an example of that in the article I referenced in my earlier, longer, comment which you obviously didn’t read.
I daresay you are a waste of time here, and I won’t bother with you from here on out.
Stucky is playing you Girl.
This isn’t Stucky and who are you?
Sure it is.
moron
Easily Comment Of The Day.
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Apparently ones religion had little bearing on whether or not you traded in slaves. All were equal opportunity offenders. My family emigrated to the US in 1899 from the Ukraine and were of German stock. I feel no responsibility for the atrocities committed during WW2 by the NAZI’s. That was then…..this is now…..get over it.
Idiotic propaganda doesn’t work here…
Then what are you doing here propaganda man. You may be right. I don’t want be a part of the mental midgets club that can’t pull their heads out their ass long enough to take a breath and die with head heads stuck up their asses for lack of common fucking sense. You go and hate who ever you want. There’s probably allot to hate about you. Oh ya your without flaw. Your race must be the one that made the angels sing and the devil cry. Idiotic Indeed!
I sight my excerpts like I cite my rifle scope.
That article is talking about slavery that happened from the years 600 to 1500. Everyone was doing it and it was taxed by the Crowns of many countries- so it was legal. From 1700s onward, Jewish connections to slavery declined to almost nothing as their own plights were getting worse in Europe with Christian anti-Semitism.
There were two slave trading markets going on simultaneously. Check out “The Christian Slave trade versus the Islamic Slave Trade” on MuslimMechanics.com. While there was a vibrant slave trade from Africa’s west coast to the Americas, there was also a lively slave trade from Africa’s east coast to the Islamic Arab states such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Yemen. The total number of Africans taken from the continent’s east coast and transported to the Arab community is between 9.4 million and 14 million. These figures are estimates due to the absence of documented records. These numbers easily match the numbers going to the new world.
Okay your first clue should of been the misrepresentation of who the story of Krampus is about. Unbelievable stupidity!
Pull the other one, it’s got bells.
“…should have…”
YW.
Never knew this.Always appreciate intelligent informed comments.This ubderscores the issue of turning against your own people for money or status.Same playbook today.
You’re confusing the Jews with the muslims. There was hardly any slavery in Europe in the 8th century, until the muslims started raids. Over 10 millions people were taken over the next 1000 years. Mostly Christians people.
Islam was created by Jews to attack Christianity. Guess who’s mother was a Jew.
I guess we know who’s in charge of this site. by the near instant downvotes. It isn’t whitey.
Yours?
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium-before-islam-when-saudi-arabia-was-a-jewish-kingdom-1.5626227
Maybe Mohammed’s?
Exactly.
Kazharian Ashkenazi,NOT REAL SEMITC SHEPHARDIC MOSES FOLLOWING,G.D FEAR DECENT JEWS.MATRIXOFGOG.COM OR HENRUMAKOW.COM
True,but also historically Proven that FAKE,EVIL HEWS DID STEAL HUMANS AND SACRIFICE THEM.THEY WERE KICKED OUT OF VARIOUS AREAS FOR THIS OFFENSE WHEN THEY AT THE SYN OF GOG SHOULDVE BEEN HUNG.HAVE VID OF RECENT SACRIFICE OF WOMAN HELD BY SEVERAL FAKE RABBIS.SHES NAKED AND STRUGGLING WHILE SOMEONE SLITS HER THROAT AS SHES HELD IVER LARGE BOWL TO CATCH HER BLOOD.THIS IS THEN BAKED IN THEIR DEVIL FAKEHEW BREAD AND EATEN BY ALL.Dont know if All know about this or just rabbis.This is Evil Babylonian darksun crap,NOT true judaism.
So be good for goodness sake.
Gather up all the dumfuks and sell them.
Somebody elses problem.
All my west african friends HATE canadian and american blacks.
Bunch of dumb mutherfuckers to quote my friend Bonsu. We thought we got rid of them 2 centuries ago and here they are… fucking shit up again.
“Mike” wednesday Bonsu… runs a jazz club in Berlin… has a used tire export business in Canada AND ran for president of Ghana in 2017 or 2018.
It is culture and IQ… not race in my opinion. My friend from Senegal was a plumber and ended up being a Canadian consulate envoy to Morrocco.
Niggers are not black people… they just fucking niggers…to almost quote Chris Rock.
Bottom line is that white men never enslaved black people. Black men enslaved black people, and then sold those slaves (with paperwork) to white men.
To clarify the situation even more, the people who were enslaved in Africa, were for the most part criminals, and people who were unable to live with their fellow tribal societies in peace. They were in fact, for the most part, the dregs of all the African people.
That is why 300 years later, they are still violent and embrace criminality and psychopathy.
We got stuck with the worst of the worst from the African continent. That is why the countries like Haiti and Liberia that were founded as independent countries of former slaves turned out to be complete shitholes up to today.
Research who owned the ships at that time….
Missing from the article is the fact that the slaves were illiterate and low IQ. After they were “freed” the bulk of the slaves fell into the liberal progressive trap where they were never allowed to advance themselves, but instead became generational dependents on the white working class. As a result, to this day the descendants of the slaves are at the same intellectual level as their brethren. They are essentially modern slaves, except they don’t contribute anything but the vote for more Democrat policies that put them in the state they are in to begin with.
Bottom line is there is no such thing as racism. What people call racism is actually culturalism. Skin color does not offend anyone or induce hate. What does induce hate is cultural differences which are imposed upon others that offend them culturally or morally.
Ask anyone who hates another group why they hate them and they will give you a list of grievances about their behaviors, not the way they look.
The reason the left lies about the problem is that cultualism is a solvable problem, while racism is not, short of genocide. I learned a long time ago that in order for a problem to seam unsolvable, it must contain a lie. Once you discover the lie, the solution to the problem becomes evident.
Culture is downstream from race.
Continuing to refer to blacks in America as “African-Americans” (with or without the hyphen) feeds into the victimhood narrative. A person is either American or not. Any group that uses a modifier is looking for money, power, special status, or some combination thereof.
Call them niggers, then.
When one tribe conquered another the surviving conquered tribe members become the conquering tribes slaves. Happened all throughout history. Often, the conquering tribes would amass huge populations of slaves and then they’d have to worry about slave revolts. So they had a choice: Kill some of them or sell some of them to the slave traders. This is all BS now anyway. As one confederate soldier at Appomattox explained “we’re all slaves now.”
Find a society that never enslaved others and you’ve found an anomaly.
Somebody forgot to mention the huge slave trade was primarily a jewish affair. How’d they overlook that?
The Portuguese traders were usually jews as well. Huh?
https://archive.fo/fqZ7a
The ignorance is staggering!
Truly yours is…
Enlighten us with your contradictory evidence.
He has none. Stucky never cites evidence not approved by SPLC.
Okay, a Neo Nazi web site spewing hate. “An idiots guide to history” would be a better name for the their web site. It’s right up there with the Moon is made of out swiss cheese. Fuzzy facts for the researcher with a motive.
Flat earthers. It’s like believing in Unicorns for fck sake!
Jesuits – Now there’s the real conspiracy. Pope Frani anybody?
I think you are a shill, I think it likely that Admin will be facing new attempts to knock him offline because as a bastion of free speech this place is hated by people who hire shitbags like you to come in and provoke views that can then be characterized as Hate speech. I am here to tell you there is no such thing as hate speech. There is just speech and the freedom to say what you like, those of us here all value it above and beyond our ideological differences. If you knew anything of the history here you would have recognized that your idiocy only served to unite people here that I have watched get down right vile when arguing with each other. They might despise each others views but will happily set those differences aside and fight back to back when confronted with those who would try to silence anyones voice here. I thank you for being the catalyst behind such an event. It is always good to be reminded that TBP is a community and a family and while you and your ilk may have been welcomed here and your own free speech permitted like anyones here, I would still like to kindly invite you to fuck off and take your pearl clutching provocateur bullshit somewhere else.
P.S. the jesuits were crypto jews! Sometimes it really is difficult to find a conspiracy that didn’t involve them.
“P.S. the jesuits were crypto jews! Sometimes it really is difficult to find a conspiracy that didn’t involve them”.
Okay… Got it! 😂😂😂😂
Oh and by the way, Fuck you and the Jews. I just like to a make it uncomfortable for those who prey on the easy target.
Ok Stucky…
No, you attack anyone telling the truth about jewish history. Nothing is more damning for them than the truth.
That’s right. He’s a crypto and always runs interference for them when he’s not just trashing people and their comments for mean spirited fun. A jew can do no less and he knows admin will save him.
Intellectual bankruptcy is no way to go through life son!
Like clockwork. Hhheeeerrrrees stucky.
Really, You include admin in your statements. No, my statements stand on their own. You are my best witness. All I have to do is plant the seed and watch it grow. Your testimony explains every single thing I posted. I am a Christian (Not a very good one to be sure). I just have to remind myself, When you call me a Jew, are you talking to me or Jesus. One of us has not a drop of Jewish blood in our body. and I’m Italian!
Trashing people. Ya, go fuck yourself you racist cunt!
You are self righteous fuck! Your bullshit is like the leaves of fall. Hard to tell one from the other. Same old bullshit, just another moron taking the place of the last, trying to sell the same old bullshit. Fucking Nazi fuck!
Stucky’s talking like a progressive and acting like a progressive, I wonder, does he look like a progressive.
Congratulations, You are a complete fucking Dick. A Certified fucking moron. A Hate filled piece of shit. History knows you well. A dumd down ignorant piece of fucking shit who couldn’t see the trees through the fucking woods. You and your fucking gild will know justice when it is crammed up your fucking ass.. Hate is a poison and you are full of it! I say go piss up a wall you fucking idiot. Read your own statements you fucking fool! They speak for themselves. Ignorant fucking cock sucker! Excuse me while I take another swig off the bourbon I am having. Oh ya and fuck you!
green cheese
This is most defiantly a hot button topic. History has been rewritten around every aspect of the slave trade and how it came to America. Roots is a movie with a motivation to re-write history. Just a movie with a slant like most dramas. It tugs at the heart strings of the uninformed/ignorant mired in “fuzzy” facts.
Most slaves were white.
https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans-were-slaves–research-suggests-white-slavery-was-much-more-common-than-previously-believed/
There were more Irish Catholic slaves in America than blacks. An Irish catholic cost 5 pence and a black cost 50. You could work the Irish slave to death and throw him/her/child in a ditch and buy another one. The King of England was all in with this at the time. There was even a gene modification program in the Barbados that is still evident today. The plantation owners bred Irish and black slave hoping to get a harder working black slave who had disease resistance to tropical disorders.
Are you sure they weren’t just trying to get some good Irish whiskey. My favorite to be sure. The Irish left a great mark on American history and no it wasn’t just whiskey. A noble people to be sure.
You obviously aren’t aware of the British war against the Irish.
Irish slavery….
“The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.”
“During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.”
As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.
“African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.”
Making light of this tragedy and travesty is just wrong.
http://www.aohflorida.org/the-irish-slave-trade/
Look I’m sorry if I offended you. You are entitle to your beliefs and ideals and I respect that. If we just agree to agree it would be a very boring world. I will lighten up for the sake of civility. I love the Irish, in fact I can find some good in most people. Slavery at any capacity is wrong. The perpetrators of such a vile act should be brought to justice in any civilized society in past, present, or future. Mankind can do some really awful things to each other and no one gets an exemption from that. I went down a rabbit whole I should of backed out of right away. In fairness I will go back and carefully read that which you posted to support your point of view with an open mind. Most likely won’t comment on it, but will take the time to honestly review it.
Point taken and apology accepted. I am no fan of the ‘evil Jews control it all narrative’ and have gotten into some rather vicious brawls because of my stance. I do research and look for facts over hyperbole and agendas. The facts of Jewish slave trading are there and well researched, the ‘Jewish Mafia’ is also real and both a criminal organization as well as several groups and institutions such as the ADL work to prevent any and all negative information about Jews to come to light.
I’m not trying to defend slave traders of Jewish decent. I know for a fact that there where slave traders of Jewish decent. I just don’t see the same outrage for Islamic Government Sponsored slave trade, the English Government Sponsored slave trade, the American Government Sponsored slave trade and the list goes on. That is the only position I was trying to defend. This sin reaches way beyond any one particular race. We can site black on black slave trade, blacks on white slave trade, white on black, white on white, white on yellow, yellow on yellow so on an so forth. All I’m trying (perhaps un-articulately)to say is, the human race in general is capable of some pretty ugly shit, and we all get to have a seat at the table at some level or another especially where it pertains to the sins of the fathers. There are those among us who will use any topic and weed through the facts to bolster up a personal point of view or a belief and ignore the blatant hypocrisy that got them to their point in the first place..
I am not sighting anything you wrote or posted here, you can put yourself as third party in this statement,(I kind of stepped in it anyway) just trying to make my final point on the matter. “The times we live in can have large influence on the societal norms we are willing to except. Even when we know it’s wrong”.
Basically what you are doing despite your protesting is providing cover for your fellow Jews who created, owned, and operated the cruelest, most inhumane slavery with the African negro slave trade to the Americas. They have since blamed this on working class whites who everyone knows are genetically disposed to oppressing all minorities everywhere. This includes oppressing their owners the Jews by using witchcraft and hypnosis to try to blame Jews for everything.
The fact that Jews now own everything cannot be used as evidence in court. It simply isn’t true because you say it’s not true and I’m a white racist and congenital liar.
OK Stucky!
LOL
Who is this Stucky you speak of?
A slippery, sneaky little dickens that went on vacation…..uh huh.
Correct MyG, back in the day, Slavic white people were rounded up as slaves from Eastern Europe. The word slave is derived from the use of Slavs in the slave trade.
Narratives and lies are more powerful. Fear and hate are more powerful (at least right now they are). Divide and conquer is a powerful strategy.
There are many natural divisions that should be observed. If you want to do something radically different, then the burden of evidence and proof that it will work is on you.
I’m talking about what’s being done to us by TPTB. Lies and division.
I am saying that only bonds of blood hold up.
We should have picked our own damned cotton…
Could of of should of. I can’t agree more!
I already knew this. But Slavery continues today. Open your wallet and there is your master. (many peoples master anyhow) The dollar, try to live without it. It has so much control over people that they will take an experimental drug that may kill them so they can keep working to get more dollars.
There are still tens of millions of slaves in Africa, Asia and the Middle East…
This is the amazing thing about this. It’s not as if someone is, out of the blue, offering people money to take an experimental drug. That I would understand.
Instead the government, and society more broadly, are saying to someone who provides labor in exchange for money, “Take this experimental drug and we’ll allow you to continue to provide labor for money.”
Insanity doesn’t even aptly describe it.
Ice 9- Good job, nice work. Thank you.
Thanks tabarnac. I’ll keep chipping away at the base of every false idol as each one of them has feet of clay.
And BTW, “freed from Freedom” is genius. Three words explain why it’s no use arguing with progressives. They don’t not want to be told what to think.
Thanks to pyrrhuis, AP, and Steve Z. for bringing a clever essay of diversion back around to the original actuaries.
However, it’s just a much needed beginning if we are to ever name the true enemy and what their agenda is in order to purge ourselves of this Hydraheaded leech on our necks and the necks of our unborn progeny.
Tracing it backwards is futile due the multitude of minefields. Better to return to Eden and the childish fable of apples and snakes. Unless we are willing to discuss Hetero superfecundation we cannot make any progress. The fact that Cain is not listed in Adams lineage but has his own separate lineage listed for 6 generations should have raised some modern eybrows. What was the purpose of the Kenites and who are they today.
Next we must completely divorce ourselves from the myth of Noah’s flood being worldwide and also the myth that Adam was the first man and Eve the mother of all living “humans” instead of all Christians who become alive in Christ. Sediment and fossil records show there was and are still pre-Adamite humans and a catastrophic event and worldwide flood well prior to Adam. The difficulty arises when we try to treat the Bible as a concise record of geology and biology instead of a concise record of Christ and Adam and a story of our role in the salvation of mankind.
There’s much human trafficking going on still today. Why don’t we all focus on addressing that instead? People are being kidnapped only to have their organs removed from them while they are still alive. Children are being trafficked for sex — the sickest and saddest slavery of all.
Absolutely…and human sacrifice it appears
Most definitely human sacrifice takes place also. Often for the adrenochrome.
The wide open southern border is a slave trade route. Sex slaves, child slaves and human traffickers of all sort love the open border. Isn’t it great what Biden is doing for the human traffickers?
I am sickened.
If Texas secedes, I will promote the secession of Missouri. There really is no other way, is there?
There is shoot to kill but that won’t look too good on the teevee. They’ll push the women and children in front and the ‘men’ will hide behind them. I do believe in concertina wire, why that’s not been stretched out escapes me.
That’s a big reason why the border has been left open. I have no respect for any elected officials who are complicit in this, which many are.
Coreydigs.org does this work of uncovering pedoperv a.holes.she needs diggers.
God smack said, “Just say “Jew” and the dog pile begins.”
True. We should be more concise in our communication. The word has far too many definitions to serve our understanding.
“Josephus was the first-century Jewish historian who initially fought against the Romans in the war that destroyed Jerusalem. He was himself a descendant of the Maccabees. He was well-acquainted with these things when he wrote of these things, because he was writing about his own family history. The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1903 edition, under “Edom,” affirms the Edomite absorption into Jewry, saying,
“Judas Maccabeus conquered their territory for a time (B.C. 163; Ant. Xii, 8 par. 1, 2). They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 B.C.) by whom they were forced to observe Jewish rites and laws (ib. 9, par. 1; xiv. 4, par. 4). They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans ‘Idumea’ (Mark iii. 8; Ptolemy, Geography v. 16). With Antipater began >>>> the Idumean dynasty <<<< that ruled over Judea till its conquest by the Romans."
"All historians—including Jewish historians—agree that Edom was absorbed into Jewry and ceased to exist under a separate name after 70 A.D. In fact, they were part of the most radical element in Judaism, the Zealots, whose actions incited Rome to destroy Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D. In later years, as we read above, the Jews began to call Rome and Christian Europe by the name of “Edom.” They obviously did not use the term literally, but as “a synonym for an oppressive government.” Even so, they seem to have done this in order to explain the many prophecies in the Old Testament about Edom in the latter days. The prophets treat Edom as being a latter-day enemy. Since the rabbis could not believe that their own nation might one day have to fulfill those prophecies, they spiritualized them and applied them to other people that they considered “enemies.”
The problem is that Edom was forcibly converted to the religion of Judaism and that this did not give them a personal relationship to the God of Israel. It only forced them to conform to the external rituals required of such “converts,” which did nothing to change their hearts. In fact, their tendency toward violence brought most of them into the ranks of the more radical Jews called “Zealots.” These were the terrorists in the first century A.D. They refused to recognize that God had given Judea into the hands of Rome in judgment [ wrath !? ] for their sin. As we will show in our next chapter, these terrorists were defined in Jer. 24 as “evil figs.” God said in Jer. 24:9, 10 that He would destroy them.
The Zealots and Edomites were both violent groups and kindred spirits. They were even willing to kill peace-loving Jews to force their revolutions upon others. Ultimately, their revolt forced Rome into destroying Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D.
This same spirit of terrorism was revived in the early 1900’s largely through Vladimir Jabotinsky with his violent brand of Zionism. Once again, they were willing to assassinate more peace-loving Jews (and anyone else who stood in their way) to accomplish their purpose."
The blood-thirsty element should be identified with more accurate labels.
https://godskingdom.org/studies/books/who-is-a-jew/chapter-2-genealogical-and-converted-jews
That’s a sanitized version of Edom. Who did Essau marry. Two Canaanites(of Hams cursed son Canaan), one a Hittite the other a Hiivite and then he married a niece of Ishmael. Eventually and long before Christ, others married into Edom who the Israelites were supposed to kill along with the Canaanites including Kenites sons of Cain and fallen Angel offspring. These became the scribes for the middle east and eventually took over the Priesthood of the temple and introduced their babylonian sorceries which displaced the Torah under Herod the Edomites protection and eventually stole the Judaen identity. Not too hard when you are the scribes in charge of history and scripture. With some clever translating and new math they removed 1490+ years from the biblical geneology and extended the Hebrew captivity in Egypt by at least 200 years. Critical to allowing the Edomites and their ilk to insinuate themselves into and then steal the Judaen identity.
Here is a chart showing the Greek and Samaritan texts next to the Masoretic list of the geneologies of Adam to Christ.
https://emahiser.christogenea.org/patriarchal-chronology
Ha ha, your post got twice as many downvotes as mine.
Thanks for your input. A lot to think about…
https://godskingdom.org/studies/books/secrets-of-time/chapter-2-basic-bible-chronology
Druid, your link doesn’t cover the Samaritan or dead sea scrolls. Here is my reason for agreeing with Fritz regarding texts. Just this one big lie repeated over and over in movies print etc. in the Masoretic (Edomite) texts.For example, Exodus 12:40 in the Samaritan and the Septuagint reads:[32]
“Now the sojourning of the children of Israel and of their fathers which they had dwelt in the land of Canaan and in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years.”
In the Masoretic text, the passage reads:
“Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.”
The Septuagint (LXX) agrees with the Samaritan in approximately 1,900 of the six thousand variations from the Masoretic.[20] Many of these agreements reflect inconsequential grammatical details, but some are significant. For example, Exodus 12:40 in the Samaritan and the Septuagint reads:[32]
the Septuagint agrees with the Samaritan Pentateuch in the number of years elapsed from Noah’s Flood to Abraham.[36]
All excerpts taken from the very Jewish friendly wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan_Pentateuch#Comparison_with_the_Masoretic
Wow I can trace by name and date my ancestry , one was on the Mayflower and was arrested because he befriended and got along well with the Indians his line connected to the Irish immigrants who got here and two have their names on the monument at Gettysburg and a third was severely wounded in Virginia after multiple battles and died a town drunk today we would call it PTSD ! They fought for the north and none ever owned slaves (poor white trash)
The other line came from Germany and Italy one before WW1 the other before WW2 the post WW2 worked themselves into an early grave one working a business he built from nothing and the other owned a bar & pool hall after making a few bucks working a natural gas rig .
Most died before they were 50 now there is some White Privilege I was born from , we learned how to do something not taught in any school book especially today . An Honest Days Work
I’ve never watched the roots garbage, I saw the previews and read a couple of propaganda items. Knew it was trash from the start.
I Grew up in Oklahoma. We knew that slavery was a distraction issue of the War of Northern Aggression.
True.It was really about the cabal backed N. Vs. Leave us alone and stop issuing huge tarriffs on our products S.Britain was secretly backing the S. And Booth was an agent of the secret society,Golden Dawn.Lincoln didnt care much about slaves,he said so in many docs.N. Was bullying the South and enslaving them.Many Southerners after the ear actually went to Brazil.Just learned that this year.U.S. Went bankrupt from civil war and of course certain entities moved in to financially enslave us.Research this.
Upon first perusal, Ice, your article appears to be impressively researched. Even if absent any specific citations and annotations, it was very informational and well-written.
I, for one, am honored to be among TBP’s cadre of capable online contributors.
I watched the entire “Roots” TV series as it was originally broadcasted, and later read the book. Even so, I never felt any guilt. Regarding those who consider themselves “woke”: It is, indeed, quite the paradox that those who claim to be fighting against broad generalizations of entire groups of people, will, at the same time, apply broad generalizations to other, entire groups of people.
Thank you for the post
Thanks Doug for your kind comment.
Most of what I learned about the reality of slavery I learned from the two years I lived in Angola during the late 1990s. They had a slave museum located within the Luanda Fortaleza that unashamedly described the whole workings. The Ambundu were entirely blase about slavery – one African guy I pressed for a conversation replied that he didn’t care because his family weren’t slaves so it wasn’t his problem. And the office I worked at was located on Rua Rainha Ginga, which is Portuguese for Queen N’Zinga Road.
Then later an oil company hired me to sort out some technically problematic investments it made in Mauritania and during that time this NGO tried to extort money out of them where if the company didn’t pony up the NGO would expose the modern slavery in Mauritania and associate the company with slavery and damaging its public image.
Being here in USA one is fed a continuous stream of outright lies about everything having to do with Africa.
We didn’t feel any guilt either, but nevertheless the miniseries did affect a lot of white suburban types. I can recall after Roots aired my younger brother – about 9 then – and his friends playing slave hunt. It was a version of hide and seek where one kid would be Kunta Kinte, and he would run down the block and hide where the other kids had jump ropes (whips, nooses, tie ropes) and sticks. The kid that got picked to be Kunta Kinte didn’t want to get caught.
Ice,
We’ve all heard the timeless axiom of history being written by the victors. And I have written here before that “recorded history is akin to children sharing war stories after playing tag with flashlights in the dark.”
Given the entire panoply of human existence, any interpretation, such as Alex Haley’s “Roots” for example, is, at best, like watching the Super Bowl or World Series from the back seats with one eye closed and the other peering through a straw.
I was, for the most part, unfamiliar with the historical events as delineated in your article. Obviously, African civilization is ancient and tying together the innumerable tribal tales would be a challenge for any serious historian.
In the late nineteen-eighties, my wife and I watched the Shaka Zulu series and were blown away by the story and overall production. At that time, it aired on our public channel and none of the violence and nudity were censored. In the story, I recall a ritual ceremony was taking place (like a wargame), and then Shaka’s team took the field and they actually killed another team just to show all of the tribes there that Shaka was no longer playing games.
That scene has come to my mind recently while watching the global protests against Covid tyranny and I find myself wondering when the protest games will be over.
Along those same lines…. even if your article destroys the woke narrative, it may not go viral because it would be too hot to fit into the most up-to-date, politically corrected, Overton Window – perhaps, even out here on the Still-Free-Speech-For-Now Internet. As you, certainly, understand, that is how far we’ve progressed.
Regardless, it was one heck of a post and a far cry from yelling “fire” in a crowded movie theater.
Thanks also go out to Admin for posting it
West Africa also gets shortchanged for how truly wealthy it was during our Medieval period. It can be compared to say, the Mayan civilization that flourished and then just decayed. But where the pyramids and building remained of the Mayan civilization, the great buildings of West Africa were constructed of timbers and mud brick, so without constant maintenance they soon dissolve into a pile of dust with no “history” to be discovered.
Here’s and example of what one would have found in a great city like Gao. Then imagine entire streets lined with these buildings – palaces, administration centers, etc
https://dunyanews.tv/en/World/441564-Timbuktus-Djinguereber-Mosque,-one-of-the-largest-and-oldest-in-the-wor
Ice- I learned a lot from your article, thanks for the excellent work.
Your welcome.
Thanks ICE for this brief look real history (prior to the fake Alex Haley Roots story) that shows the true origins of the African slave trade. Seemingly everything we think we know is a lie. The older we get, the more we see it… Chip
The true origins of the African slave trade have been documented right here and right often for at least 5 years running. Where have you been.
Many false idols to topple.
Africans who are actually from Africa don’t seem to be emotional and irrational over the truth like black Americans are. I have a friend who lives here who is from Ghana and is not at all upset or defensive over the fact that Africans are the ones who were selling other Africans. It’s simply history.
the ‘woke’ not only will not, but cannot change their mindset no matter the facts presented, the numbers offered and visual proof given against something they have been propagandized to believe.
the outcome? they cannot be reasoned with, there is no ‘common ground’ for any level of compromise and no peace is achievable with them.
the solution? division, or…
How do you know all that, ICE? I’m honestly impressed, in the same way that I walk through museum exhibits about, say, Byzantine artifacts and think to myself: “That’s a pretty vase.” and then lamenting to myself that I know zilch about anything Byzantine. But then again, it has not been a focus of my studies in the last 40 years or so, and I guess one cannot know everything. I appreciated the article.
I lived in Angola for two years in late 1990s. Spent 9 years working on oil and gas development projects in 5 West African countries. One picks up the history wherever they go if one is interested in doing so.
Ice, I replied to a comment of yours a couple weeks ago that your previous articles caused me to do some enjoyable research. In this case though you brought this topic up in a comment around that same time and I went and did the research. I certainly didn’t get to the depth that you presented here but information/truth is out there if someone wants to find it. But they don’t because the narratives on offer are better for them. Thanks for all the work on this.
By the way Ice, those previous articles of your got me to imagining, in a conspiracy theory sort of way, that the Oracle at Delphi, the Venice Banksters, and the CIA/Wall Street/ Deep state, along with many others are just a long line of psyops.
Most everything we are fed is lies.
Had been a subject I had meant to expand on for some time and then I read some complete rubbish on internet website about how Caucasians owe all the black people reparations – like $400k each – and I said to myself I gotta wrote this one.
Do you happen to know this very interesting person?
This is a well written and documented piece. However some important aspects were omitted. For example the writer omits the fact Africans from Ghana had traded with Europe for centuries. Nowhere in his treatise does he mention the Berbers and Jews who maintained a presence in Africa from ancient times who traded with and in the case of the nomadic Berbers warred with the Africans over grazing land for their herds . In ancient times during a war or skirmish if the enemy wasn’t totally wiped out, victory involved the taking of prisoners who were often kept or sold as slaves. Slavery was wide spread throughout the world.
The Arab presence in Africa especially after the fall of Kemet (Egypt) in 639 AD was significant. The 900 years of Arab invasion in North and East Africa featured kidnapping, castrating of Africa males and the use of African females as concubines and sex toys as opposed to forced labor. This differed from what was to come later, the massive depopulation of Africa for labor. The Almoravids a Berber mixed race/sect came into West Africa spreading Islam and holding territory . The West Africans who “converted” to Islam were often pressured to do so by these fanatical invaders. African converts (to Islam) were the founders of the West African kingdoms the writer speaks about. The horse which is not native to Africa facilitated much of this inter-ethnic/cultural contact, trade, war and conquest. The Africans did procure weapons from the Arabs and later Europeans which some used in raids and internecine wars.
Contrary to the other myth perpetuated by Europeans trying to escape “blame” for the trans Atlantic Slave Trade and slavery in the US, not all African kingdoms warred with and sold their neighbors into slavery. Numerous African kings and queens refused to collaborate with the Arabs or Europeans. The rulers of Fante, Benin, and Almammy are recorded to have vigorously resisted the slave trade.
This issue is extremely complex. We should avoid disinformation, inaccurate revisionist history, name calling, escapism and scapegoating. Our challenge is to discover the truth, teach it and move on so we become better, more mature so we can transform the world. As the writer says we are all slaves and potential profit units to the psychopathic oligarchs hellbent on imposing their Brave New World Order on us.
An Excellent and Elegant Rebuttal.
“… (I kind of stepped in it anyway) just trying to make my final point on the matter.”
Don’t quit until you’re done.
I appreciate your comment. My understanding is that many of the West African kings did not immediately convert to Islam and there was significant fighting between the pagan Africans and these Almoravids. For example, the Islamic stronghold of Timbuktu was sacked many times by these pagan kings, but the record only starts at the 7th century as West Africa was illiterate until arrival of Islam. Scholars have only recently discovered the trove of historical descriptions and accounts passed down by the historian families of Timbuktu so more info will surface over time.
And yes, Africa is a complex place and the story here doesn’t fit all places. It was crafted to address the “woke” narrative here in the USA. I lived in West Africa and spent 9 years working on oil and gas projects there so am not ignorant of the diversity of African societies.
Yes many African kings and queens remained true to their traditional spiritual systems and resisted the slave trade. You offered great information and a unique perspective. Thank you for that. Unfortunately most of us live in ideological bunkers and are so intent on defending our positions and waging thought war we aren’t open to new perspectives or ideas.
The current back and forth about the African slave trade and CRT obscures the fact there were, as one poster mentioned, European slaves/bonds persons/laborers brought to the “New World” to work in the mines and sugar fields in the Caribbean, South America and the tobacco fields of British colonial North America. Thousands of peasant English, Irish, Welsh and Scots were forced to come to North America some as bonds persons, others as “indentured servants”. to work for the monarchs monopoly trading company partnerships. A large percentage (almost half) perished in the Caribbean heat and harsh working conditions. Both there and North America they were consigned to the lowest rung on the colonial social pyramid. In the British colonies their status was the same as Africans! See A. Leon Higginbotham Jr.’s book In The Matter of Color Race & The American Legal Process The Colonial Period Oxford University Press 1978.
The dissatisfaction the Europeans, Africans and the indigenous people felt towards the colonial administrators forced the administrators to better the status of Europeans. Rebellions by European bonds persons and Africans sent shock waves throughout Virginia (in New York also). That coalition had to be broken. https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/gloucester-county-conspiracy-1663/
This is why the concept of race and racial hierarchy was introduced in the North American British colonies. https://www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-and-human-behavior/chapter-2/inventing-black-and-white
We are still living with the consequences of these policies in 2021. Yes history matters. Until we recognize/realize who the real oppressors, slave masters, parasites etc. are and direct our ire towards them; nothing will change because the .001% have mastered the tactic of divide and rule.
Well put. Your last paragraph was somethingone of my role models said repeatedly. He always warned of falling into the trap of endlessly identifying symptoms while steadfastly refusing to seek the root cause or source and identify the enemy.
Amen brother.
Between this nonsensical and its twin — the holoco$t — we White gentiles are getting squeezed for every last penny for reparation$ and for every last freedom to have our own Sovereign Nation …
Time to regroup and take back our Sovereign Nation before it’s gone forever …
Stop paying taxes.Eight kazharian families own or run the i.r.s. Supposedly.It’s located on Puerto Rico and is NOT A U.S. GOVT. AGENCY.
bbbbb- That is pretty much true.
6 million… 6 million… Seems like I’ve heard that number before somewhere.
Yet no mention of Charleston Or savanna, one or the other of them had the second-highest population… Or third-highest population of Jews in the known world at that time.
Maybe they were neck and neck and vying for second and third place respectively?
I was pretty old before I realized that no one gets to choose the color of their skin or the condition of the birth. I’m sure they’re trying to change that.
Black people were on an upward trend though… Up until about the time they became the first sacrificial lambs of what is now ‘build back better’… The nuclear family was destroyed for them. It is now coming for the rest of us at an accelerating pace.
Time to stick together.
VERY impressive. Great writing.
Thank you for an informative historical piece. Interesting how history has been rewritten right here in our lifetimes and boobus americanus just swallowed it hook, line and sinker. I accept your appraisal because it fits with some of the peripheral issues and fields of study, eg. linguistics (the Slav issue), and what I’ve read of the salt trade. Being a chemical type years ago I read I read a little book, “Salt” by Pierre Lazlo. He described the African trade in salt, gold,and slaves centered around Timbuktu whereby the caravans carried salt south to the interior and gold back north toward the coast and on to Europe–sometimes trading weight for weight! After all gold is nice but salt is life-giving.. Only much later in Colonial and Kintes’ time the trade was in slaves, sugar, rum tobacco, and cotton. Nowadays the trade is still in slaves with drugs (legal and illegal), oil, petrodollars and multicolored plastic shit from China. Items for trade change over time, but slaves seem to be a constant throughout history. Must be human nature so all the latest victim groups need to learn to get over it..
Another pointless artical, were all slaves. Pay your TAXES slave MOTHER FUCKERS!!
Nice censorship Quinn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All good and dandy, but ‘facts and data’ won’t change most people’s minds. Most people won’t read or listen to all the ‘facts and data’ even if you repeat it until you are blue in the face, they have been subconsciously programmed for decades, 24/7 with antiwhite hate. If you want to cut to the chase, call these people out as the antiwhites that they are, and every insane hate filled ‘theory’ or conclusion they come to is null and void due to their irrational antiwhite hate. Next.
The exact same thing was done to kick start the modern holocaust narrative and cement it into the public psyche, in 1978.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077025/
I’m not disputing the general picture this article portrays of pre-European African slavery practices but it would be great if there were some citations to support the material otherwise many people will just claim the facts aren’t true and article is a bunch of BS.
European/American slave trade = Respecting local African customs, supporting local African businesses.
We deserve to be commended for that, and then we were the ones who said this is not cool and cut it out. Slave markets still exist in African and Arab countries and there was one 120 klicks from Dubai in Al Ain until the 1950s or so.
Why was my short comment deleted?
All I said is that though I believe the basic history presented the article should have some citations (sources) or many people might think that it is all a bunch of bull that is all I wrote and my comment is gone like I now expect this one to disappear too so much for any academic honesty.
Sources and citations = credibility
LMAO…See Scripture for the truth about slavery starting with Abraham, and The Most High’s Chosen People. Also, check Deutronomy, and many other books. West African DNA,, including mine is E1b1a, the DNA of the slaves. I have trace it back to the Levant. So, to all the Psalm 83 Nations. Repent, admit, accept cleave. Or, suffer the consquences. Those people you hate (The Negroes), are from the Tribe of Judah. The other nations are the Gentiles, including the Cave Dwellers of old.
Oops sorry my comment wasn’t deleted it just went from the top to the bottom like my comment saying why was my comment deleted. I guess I’m just too used to having my comments deleted. Unfortunately I don’t even comment much anymore. today was the first time I made a comment in several days.
My local area newspapers online news website actually stopped comments altogether a couple of years ago after having a comment section since it’s inception over 20 years ago.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Slavery still goes on today in Africa. I’ve worked, lived and operated through Africa. I saw this in Benin and Côte d’Ivoire. Not a peep out of the pseudo-righteous left.
Until the West comes to terms with the Colonial age which stands unique in history comparisons of slavery fall apart. The combination of Colonialism and slavery to name 2 issues eviscerated Africa in a manner never seen before
Making SENSE again. Deletes my comments here. WTF??
I detailed the true history of blacks enslaving blacks from West Africa, the necessity of the KKK to counter the racist anti-white post civil war reconstruction period and the fabricated real conspiracy behind Roe v Wade decision in my 432 page book “It’s Over” written 11 years ago. Few read my book and today the lies and deceptions move along as if truth does not exist among our woke society. We are permanently divided with eyes that do not see and ears that refuse to hear. We have been conditioned to cease debate for fear of being called a racist or conspiracy theorist. America and the world are being reset and most really don’t care
Thank you for your research and perspective. Would suggest that minor style errors be edited. One example: in the sixth paragraph from the conclusion, “descendants” is the accurate term whereas “ancestors” is used: “…whose ancestors today.” Again, kudos.
Thanks for the research and perspective. Some editing of minor errors is suggested, e.g. the misuse of “ancestors” when “descendants” is accurate. (6th para. from bottom) Otherwise, kudos.
Very nice article…although it only briefly touches on the East African slave trade. (The numbers of slaves and deaths from the East African slave trade dwarf those of the West African Trade, but that’s a another story!)
One thing that is often lost in this tale of tribal/city-state/empirical wars of the Ghana, Mali and Songhai, et al empires is that both sides enslaved the losers in their conflicts. Those that couldn’t be sold to Portuguese interest were sold to the east.
What this means is, while Americans of African descent can claim to be the descendants of slaves, it is just as likely as not, that if you go back another generation or two in their lineage, you will find ancestors of those same Americans of African descent who were slave owners/traders.
Slavery was a common practice during war. From the 4th century to the 19th century tribal/ethnic war was ubiquitous throughout Africa (arguably the world). At any given time, the fortunes of war could easily turn a slave owner into a slave.
So the Dutch Slave Trade never happened?? I’ll stick with vids like this:
South African History Documentary: 1652-1902
You are merely another racist trying to marginalize the historical record and history of Black enslavement in this country. Slavery in the counties you mentioned was due to war and more than often the enslaved were integrated into the various societies/cultures whilst in the U.S. the enslaved were not allowed to do so while suffering hideous treatment. You may obfuscate the truth by twisting the historical record to suit your pusillanimous agenda and intent, you seem to overlook that the exact same thing was occurring in European countries as well….that being that they were enslaving their kinsmen. You are typical of whites who deflect in order place the blame elsewhere to shift the blame away from your transgressions.
I bet you didn’t bother to read the article, did you?