Wheel Estate For Survival

Guest Post by Pat Cascio

As a lifetime Prepper, I’m always looking at ways to improve the odds of surviving, whatever may come my way. I readily admit that no one, no matter how rich they may be, can prepare for every circumstance that may come along, that demands survival. I remember back in school, in the early 1960s, when we practiced “duck and cover” as a way of surviving a nuke going off in our city. Even back then, it was silly to believe that by  ducking under your desk while in school would add to your survival chances. Our school was huge – three stories, and a full basement. We learned to head to the basement if alerted that a nuke was about to go off…and we found inside walls, and we sat facing those walls, with our hands and arms protecting us. Again, not feasible, but still better than ducking under a desk. My plan was to run across the street, to the house we lived in. Beyond that, I had a vague plan to go and shelter in the storm drain under the sidewalk in front of our house.

There is no sure way we can prepare for all the nasty things that we might have to endure – simple as that! We have always kept tents in our vehicles, along with sleeping bags, and a small e-box – that contained food, water, and other survival necessities, and we still do to this day. However, while none of that is exactly what we want, it is better than nothing. If we had to evacuate our home, we’d of course grab our BOBs (Bug Out Bags) along with weapons and whatever else we could grab and go within a few minutes. Not a bad plan, but not a good one.

Enter the world of RVs – Recreational Vehicles. In this article, I use the term RV generically to include motor homes as well as travel trailers, camping trailers, and 5th wheel trailers. We own a fairly nice, used,  22-foot travel trailer, and it has everything we’d need for survival. We keep it fairly well-stocked with enough food, for our family of four, at all times. If all we could do is hook up to a tow vehicle and drive away, then we’d have enough food for several months, for the four of us. Of course, we’d top-off the freshwater tank, as well. Given a little more time – say an hour or so, we could add a lot more food inside our vehicle and trailer, and of course more weapons and lots of ammo. We have several bug-out locations we could go to – or at least attempt to get to one of them. Once again, not a perfect plan, but better than no plan, like jumping in a vehicle and just driving off.

Prior to 2008, there were a lot of really nice used travel trailers, and if you’ll recall, that is when the recession hit, and those people who lost jobs, purchased some used travel trailers. In our area – all around our area – we would see travel trailers, and 5th wheels alongside the mountain roads in our area, where people were living – and I mean, these rigs were right alongside mountain roads – not a pull-off or a campground. It was a heart-breaking sight, to say the least. We even saw people with RVs, set-up in friends’ or families’ front yards. Some were living in small tents – Ugh! However, better than living on the streets.

Our Little Home on Wheels

As you can see in the photos accompanying this article, our 22-foot travel trailer isn’t too big, nor too small – more on this later. It is an older model, manufactured in 1999. However, inside and out, it is almost like new. Many people purchase RVs and trailers, with the idea of seeing the country. However, when it comes down to it, most RVs, aren’t used very often. Our travel trailer was purchased with two things in mind: First, as a mobile bug out dwelling and secondly as a spare “room” for family and friends who might come to visit. Our home only has two bedrooms, and the very small one, is used as my home office. So, there are no accommodations for guests, unless we put them on the floor of the living room or on a small folding cot. Now, we can house them in the travel trailer, and some have said they loved it – couldn’t believe how nice it was inside. We live in the boonies, so it is usually very quiet at night.

Our travel trailer can sleep seven people – well, sorta. There is a twin bed in the rear of the trailer. In the kitchen area, is a sofa and it opens-up to sleep two more people. Above that, is a single sleeping bed, and that is for a small child. The dining area – the table folds down and that area can sleep two more people. However, in reality, the sofa that converts to a bed, is best used for one person to sleep on, and the same for the dining area that converts into a bed. In a worst-case scenario, the sofa and dining bed can sleep two people each, but not recommended unless you don’t mind sleeping close together. Our travel trailer can easily sleep myself and wife, and our two daughters. The smaller sleeping area is repurposed for storing food.

Starting from the front of the trailer, we have the dining set-up, and four people can eat meals at the same time. On one side of the dining area, is a lot of room for storing more food and other things – it looks like a mess in the photo, but it is not. We even have a small television there, that we can use for entertainment. As you walk into our trailer, you’ll see the small fridge and freezer, and depending on the size of your RV, that will be the size of these appliances – and most of the time, the fridge and freezer are very small – not much you can do about that.

As you enter the trailer and look to your left, you’ll see the sofa that opens into a bed on one side, and across from that, is the “kitchen.” It has a small two-sink set-up, and covers, so you can cover the sink and use it as a cutting board. There is a three-burner propane stove as well as a small oven – don’t think about putting a big turkey in there, though – but it will handle a lot of things believe it or not. Next to the kitchen, is a very small clothes closet – wish it were bigger, but we have it stuffed floor to top. Next to the closet is the bathroom. Of course, it is small, but it has a stand-alone toilet, bath tub/shower and sink. In the far rear of the trailer to the right of the bathroom, is the main “bedroom.” It just has a small bed and some storage around the walls.

This decent-sized trailer has two 30-pounds propane tanks. This amount of propane will last a good long time, if you only use it for cooking. The fridge/freezer can run off of propane as well as shore power. Our fresh water tank is about average size, for the size of this trailer – it holds 25-gallons of water for drinking and cooking. There are two other tanks under the trailer. One is for graywater – this is discharge water from the sinks or bath tub/shower. The other is the black water holding tank – and it is for sewage from your toilet…both of these tanks hold 25-gallons each. [JWR Adds: For any stay of more than day or two, readers are advised to be sure to use special RV toilet paper that dissolves more completely than regular TP. Otherwise, the result will be a clogged blackwater tank.]

There is a propane furnace and it really heats up the entire trailer in short order, and it is forced air. Good and bad on this…this means that when you turn on the furnace, it uses the power from the two batteries to power the furnace, and in less than a day, your batteries will run down – they are deep cycle batterys. We have two generators for recharging the batteries. One of them is used to keep the batteries charged, and it is only a 1,000 amp-hour battery set…so it doesn’t use a lot of fuel. If you are dry-camping – no shore power, you can only do so much – propane gets used up quickly when the furnace is on. No easy solution to this, unfortunately.

Back-Up Heat and Cooking

Small kerosene lanterns are carried that can placed in a couple of areas, will keep you from freezing to death, believe it or not. Not the perfect answer to staying warm. However as I said, there is no perfect set-up, when it comes to survival – you do what you need to do. We keep a solar oven in the trailer, and we can set that up for cooking on sunny days, and that saves a lot of propane. We also have a couple rocket stoves we can use to cook on. And, we have a small hand-powered washing machine for washing clothes.

There is some storage, under the front end of the trailer – not a lot of room, but you can get more in there than you’d think you can. There is a 5-gallon hot water heater, and you can easily get two showers out of one filling. Keep in mind, you have to replace any water you use, so find a spot that has fresh water, if possible. We keep several plastic water cans handy, if we have to draw water from a surface source. And of course, if that is for cooking or drinking that water, then we purify it.

No one knows what can/will happen in a survival situation. There are many very small and rural RV campgrounds that you can use – great if they have shore power. However, with no power and no water under pressure then there is no sense in paying to park there.

This is just a brief overview of how a RV or trailer can be used in a survival situation. Again, there is no perfect answer to all of our problems, but an RV or trailer can sure make surviving a lot easier. It sure beats sleeping in a tent or living on the streets. Our trailer was marked at $10,000 when we went shopping for one. That was six years ago. We ended up getting it for $5,500 – a great deal. We had previously owned another similar travel trailer, and it was set-up pretty much like the one we now own. Our current one has all the “luxuries” of home in a compact space – our’s is about 300 square feet.

Our plan is to eventually sell our small homestead in the near future. We intend to purchase either a bigger traditional trailer, or a nice used 5th wheel. With the proceeds from that sale of our house, we will buy some extremely rural land. We’d tow the trailer there, have a well and septic installed. We’ll have solar panels for power – and a battery bank for storing power. If you don’t have a home on a foundation on your land and you’re not hooked-up to any utilities, then you only pay taxes you’d owe for the land itself. Think about it.

I hope that this little primer is helpful.

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45 Comments
Phantom lurking
Phantom lurking
December 8, 2021 4:13 pm

Nice article, and timely for me. My son is in process of going this route. Thanks for sharing!

Ghost
Ghost
  Phantom lurking
December 8, 2021 7:35 pm

Lots of new mobile homes out here in the suburbs of the sticks. And welcome!

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
December 8, 2021 4:50 pm

For a couple hundred bucks, you can get a 200 watt solar panel with charge controller. Home Depot had a system on their daily special for $190 twice in the past year. This would be more than enough to keep the 2 deep cycle batteries charged, especially if if you get 6 – 8 hr direct sunlight. It even does a decent job charging on overcast days.

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  TN Patriot
December 8, 2021 8:36 pm

Ya, but does it charge the freezers and Heat pump. No.

Just Sayin'
Just Sayin'
  ILuvCO2
December 9, 2021 7:49 am

What? No a solar panel/charger won’t ‘charge’ your freezer or heat pump….it won’t fill your vehicle’s gas tank with gas either. But what it WILL do is give you a renewable source of electricity to keep your rig running almost indefinitely. Having minimal lights, radio, and SOME luxuries is better than nothing at all.

Just Sayin’

Jdog
Jdog
  ILuvCO2
December 9, 2021 5:20 pm

The panels charge batteries, which run back through an inverter to power the appliances.

Buttsurfer Barry
Buttsurfer Barry
December 8, 2021 5:09 pm

I temporarily stopped reading because I also was in grammar school in the 60s. I think only certain areas of the country must have done this duck and cover. My wife is from Commiefornia and she said they did it, but I’m from Tennessee and we didn’t so I’m not sure for what the reason might be. But now I’ll return..

Ken31
Ken31
  Buttsurfer Barry
December 8, 2021 6:34 pm

We did tornado drills where we went into the basement and put our heads down facing the wall. I am not sure if that was less silly or not, but we did live in Tornado Alley. The bomb thing got me wondering if these were just conditioning to obey authority.

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
  Buttsurfer Barry
December 8, 2021 7:23 pm

We did the “duck and cover” but they told us it was for tornados. Our version was to line the hallway walls, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.
I also remember the day they did a Conelrad drill and all the Radio and TV stations signed off air. Only thing on was the “designated” frequencies of 640 and 1240, noted by a little “CD” flag on the dial.
I’ve been in a couple of those set-ups; usually was partially underground at the station’s transmitter site. One I worked for had a 289 V8 bolted to the basement floor with a muffler and vent to outside, connected to a gennie. It ran on propane and we had a couple of huge tanks. A makeshift studio and barrels of provisions like potable water and crackers were also features.

The Freeholder
The Freeholder
December 8, 2021 5:15 pm

If you plan on towing any RV a substantial distance (say over 50 miles), be very aware of overloading the unit (in terms of weight) and of how you pack. Blown-out tires will ruin your day. Sway will ruin it faster. Check the data plate and abide by the limits.

Also be aware of your tires, their proper inflation and their condition. Again, blowouts will ruin your day.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  The Freeholder
December 8, 2021 11:30 pm

I see so many trailers along side the road missing a wheel. Repack the bearings and CHANGE THE GREASE SEAL often. Just seen one the other day that lost a wheel and hit the concrete abutment on a large bridge. Trailer trashed for lack of bearing maintenance. I worked 17 years in mechanics and we repacked every trailer bearing once a year. Never lost a wheel in my 17 years.

Treefarmer
Treefarmer
December 8, 2021 5:38 pm

Older, smaller trailers typically have a cargo carrying capacity of 1,000 to 2,000 pounds. Once you add in water, food, ammo, solar panels, batteries, generator etc. you exceed that weight limit pretty fast. You may want to check your GVWR and get your fully loaded trailer on a scale one day to see where you’re at. Our 5th wheel has a cargo carrying capacity of 3,000 pounds and we’re always close to the weight max no matter how hard we try to cut weight. Being overloaded for long distances and on bumpy paved or dirt roads will not only blow a tire but will also cause suspension, axle, and frame failures. Over the past ten years, we’ve made all the moves you outlined in the last paragraph of your article. Whenever we’re away from our property and travelling around the country (about 6 months a year), we keep our fingers crossed that nothing bad happens in the world until we make it back to our sustainable, defendable property. Travelling the roads in an RV during some kind of crisis/collapse is the last thing you’ll want to be doing for so many reasons.

anonymous
anonymous
  Treefarmer
December 8, 2021 8:33 pm

Travelling the roads in an RV during some kind of crisis/collapse is the last thing you’ll want to be doing for so many reasons.

Those were my thoughts as well, an overloaded RV in a SHTF scenario is just asking for trouble. If said RV is an emergency back up home should there be a personal financial issue, that’s a good idea but to use said unit as a bug out item is going to be real challenging.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  anonymous
December 8, 2021 11:38 pm

SHTF, All roads in populated areas will be shut down. NSA ha thousands of traffic control sheds that can be installed very quickly. Those cables in the medians on the interstate. Designed to keep you from crossing into oncoming traffic. Also keep you from going into the other lane to avoid a traffic control shed you know you have no permit to get by. When times get tough I would rather be on my turf with my items for defense in place. Remember when the time comes and 10 armed men rush you, you ain’t on TV and your chance of popping them all is slim to none! Probably well less than zero. Especially at my advanced age.

Ginger
Ginger
  Balbinus
December 9, 2021 7:25 am

Get a 30-30 Marlin with a scope,worth the price as very reliable, and bipod from Amazon very cheap. Shoot just one from a laying down hidden position, and the rest will run away. Most people are sacred of the woods. There will be no flanking as they will be scared to be the next one shot.
Have often said a person’s travelling to safety is good until the first road-block, it will not be the federals manning them.

Winchester
Winchester
  Ginger
December 9, 2021 7:42 am

“Get a 30-30 Marlin with a scope” – Be careful with a newer Marlin. If you can find one with a JM stamp that be your best bet. Either that or a Winchester 1894.

javelin
javelin
December 8, 2021 5:40 pm

about 15 years ago now ( boy how time flies) me and 2 buddies each bought 10 acres apiece next to each other in southwest Virginia. My 2 friends ( who are still close friends, preppers and fishing mates) go there a few times a year hunting.
We have a loose plan coordinated to all meet down there if the SHTF. My one friend is expert in machining.. the other dresses, cures, smokes and makes sausages and meats. My wife and I have medical licenses ( she’s an RN) and I have quite a stash of “expired” bandages, topicals, wraps, splints etc and all of us pressure can and have boxes and vials of heirloom seeds.
I have a few hundred canning jars -although I could use some more lids- and we also all got our .308’s together and the machinist “adapted” them a bit. I have a few thousand Oz’s of silver and a handful of gold also.
That’s our plan and we’ll be self sufficient although I’m not sure the 3 of us( and wives) is enough if a larger group came a plunderin. With our .308’s I’m hoping we’d pick off enough at distance that the rest may just decide on easier pickings….

That’s the best I can do to prep as I’m not living in a hole in the ground.

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
  javelin
December 8, 2021 6:03 pm

Javelin, That’s already more of a plan than 99.9% of the general population have, and I’d even go out to say that it’s better than 50% of us here. Good for you.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  javelin
December 8, 2021 11:41 pm

Canning lids are a problem. They are so cheaply made they don’t work like the old ones. They don’t seem to have much shelf life either.

Winchester
Winchester
  javelin
December 9, 2021 6:53 am

The .308 is a perfect gun for SHTF. It can run the NATO 7.62×51 which will be abundant I am sure. Too many people buying fancy calibers like 6.5CM that cost way too much for ammunition.

Just Sayin'
Just Sayin'
  Winchester
December 9, 2021 9:01 am

I’ll stick with my 20ga pump. Versatile enough to take small and large game, and buckshot will still “sweep the road” if necessary. Then again, I’m at the age where shooting anything over 100 yards would be a challenge due to old man eyes. 🙂 Back in the day though, .308 was my go-to for whitetail and black bear hunting.

VirgilKane
VirgilKane
December 8, 2021 6:06 pm

I love the concept of preparing for tough times. Makes sense.
But when the SHTF I expect there to be marauders. Those cutthroats who hunt out the preppers.
Like Mad Max.
10 – 20 desperate people.
Don’t see how this works for you.
Just prolonging your demise.
Good luck!

VirgilKane
VirgilKane
  VirgilKane
December 8, 2021 6:10 pm

I suggest it’s better to trust in the God of the universe, than pretend we have any control of our destiny.
When it’s time for me to die, I die.
My opinion.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  VirgilKane
December 8, 2021 11:44 pm

Proverbs 21:31 The horse is prepared against the day of battle, but safety is of the Lord.

Ken31
Ken31
  VirgilKane
December 8, 2021 6:36 pm

It takes about 10 years to rebuild an industrialized country. Americans are not that blood thirsty. That’s the invaders claiming to be Americans.

VirgilKane
VirgilKane
  Ken31
December 8, 2021 7:42 pm

10 years?
Where is your proof?
Have you seen the hood rats taking over our inner cities?
Don’t think they won’t come for you.

Ken31
Ken31
  VirgilKane
December 9, 2021 7:18 pm

I look at the Soviet Union. 20 Years if you want to get back to thriving.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  VirgilKane
December 8, 2021 11:42 pm

Better to try and fail as to sit and whine!

Ghost
Ghost
December 8, 2021 7:48 pm

When and if you do hit the road, someday, I have a pond to park at… or a treehouse to visit.

VirgilKane
VirgilKane
  Ghost
December 8, 2021 8:08 pm

I’m stuck where I am. Right on the border of suburbia and the farm land.
I wish I could escape, but that is not in the cards.
Some of us will face the chaos.
So be it.
Only regret is my children have not had a chance to live life. Giving them every opportunity now.
I trust in God.
Everything is on the table.
No fear.

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
  VirgilKane
December 9, 2021 2:00 pm

Best prep available. Good on ya!

VirgilKane
VirgilKane
  VirgilKane
December 8, 2021 7:57 pm

These punks have long guns.
Just to take a car.
What will they do when they are truly hungry.
Not just a few, but dozens…

Balbinus
Balbinus
  VirgilKane
December 8, 2021 11:46 pm

Larger magazines and I don’t mean Readers Digest.

Guest
Guest
December 8, 2021 8:22 pm

Is this what you guys saw the other night? I saw spacex quite awhile ago and it didn’t look like this

Ghost
Ghost
  Guest
December 8, 2021 8:29 pm

That was it… weird huh? We saw it here in Missouri. My son was out closing in chickens, so I have a witness.

NBerinKS
NBerinKS
  Ghost
December 9, 2021 8:18 am

It’s the “rag-tag fugitive fleet” from the Twelve Colonies, led by the Battlestar Galactica.

Balbinus
Balbinus
December 8, 2021 11:22 pm

Lots of campers manufactured in our state and they are in high demand. Good friend just purchased a new one. He is a very skilled man and is rebuilding the new trailer as many items are too flimsy to take any rough use. He built us a 24×20 building 15 years ago and it is one of the best buildings in our very nice neighborhood. If a tornado is coming I will go to that building instead of our house, even though it is very well constructed. I would say that 10 to 12 percent of the homes in our area have some type of travel trailer or RV.

Dan_of_Reason
Dan_of_Reason
December 9, 2021 9:18 am

Thank you for your good advice. When I was young, we had a 29′ Shasta with 3 bunk beds in the back. Fond memories and luxury living. I’m probably above 50% on the prepping scale: food, ammo, running water in a creek out back, filtration. It’s semi-rural. .308 scoped with bipod. Need practice but if a gang rolls in…

Guest
Guest
December 9, 2021 10:08 am

Last summer people were evacuated because of all of the fires. All hotel rooms were booked, or like $400/night because of tourists. A large state with small population. All used campers snatched up.
We sold ours to help finance a building project, but we intend to get a small one when found.
We’ve used ours many times to house overflow company. Teenagers love being there.
If our place ever burns down I’m living on one on our burnt property.
I highly suspect all of these fires. Sound paranoid? Maybe except for a FAKE GLOBAL PANDEMIC.

JIMSKI
JIMSKI
December 9, 2021 10:59 am

The only way I would be on the road during a teotwawki would be in something that looked like a hard target. Even at a distance if you are dressed in milspec green paint with fake ass numbers on the side and a fake ass M2 mount on the top the marauders will look for softer targets.

For most of us it will be shelter in place WITH YOUR TRIBE.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
December 9, 2021 12:05 pm

A good camouflage RV wrap might not be a bad idea either.

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Jdog
Jdog
  MrLiberty
December 9, 2021 5:09 pm

I like it!

grace country pastor
grace country pastor
December 9, 2021 1:52 pm

“I remember back in school, in the early 1960s, when we practiced “duck and cover” as a way of surviving a nuke going off in our city.”

The training started young with us, didn’t it…

Jdog
Jdog
December 9, 2021 5:16 pm

I would like to pick up a cheap used travel trailer, but they have really gotten stupidly expensive. There is just not that much to them to justify what the market is on them right now. Plus they are so cheaply built you always have to do some maintenance on them, from the roofs down to the tires.