What To Do About That Russian Ultimatum

Guest Post by Pat Buchanan

What To Do About That Russian Ultimatum

Before dismissing these Russian demands outright, the U.S. should look closely to see if there are not some issues on which compromise is possible and common ground can be found so the Ukraine crisis might be defused.

“Get off our front porch. Get out of our front yard. And stay out of our backyard.”

This might stand as a crude summary of two draft security pacts Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei A. Ryabkov delivered last week as Russia’s price for resolving the crisis created by those 100,000 Russian troops on Ukraine’s borders.

Ryabkov’s demands appear to be a virtual ultimatum, designed to be rejected by the U.S. and NATO and provide Moscow with a pretext for an invasion and occupation of part or all of Ukraine.

Among the maximalist Russian demands:

Written guarantees from NATO that it will not admit into the 70-year-old Cold War alliance any more ex-Soviet republics, specifically, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Offensive weapons are to be kept out of nations that border Russia.

The U.S. and Russia should keep their warships and strategic bombers away from each other’s territory. The U.S. should forgo planting military bases in any of the five “stans,” the Central Asian nations that once were part of the USSR.

NATO should withdraw military infrastructure it has placed in Eastern European states after 1997.

That date is significant. For not until 1999 did Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic join NATO. And the accession of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia and Slovenia came only in 2004.

Russia is calling for the creation of a security zone around its borders to include all of the former Soviet Union and beyond, where U.S. and NATO military bases would be prohibited.

That Ryabkov’s demands were specific and made public suggests they are to be taken seriously and Russian President Vladimir Putin is behind them. The deputy foreign minister is calling for immediate negotiations over these security pacts to begin in Geneva.

Before dismissing these Russian demands outright, the U.S. should look closely to see if there are not some issues on which compromise is possible and common ground can be found so the Ukraine crisis might be defused. One senior U.S. official has been quoted as indicating such:

“There are some things in those documents that the Russians know will be unacceptable … but there are other things that we are prepared to work with and merit some discussion.”

The U.S. has already signaled, with President Joe Biden’s warning to Putin about “severe … economic sanctions” should Russia invade, that we are ruling out war and confining any U.S. response to nonmilitary means.

British Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has said that the U.K. is also unlikely to send troops to defend Ukraine if Russia invades, as Ukraine is not a member of NATO.

Nor is the U.S. or NATO going to war for Georgia to validate its claims to Abkhazia and South Ossetia, as we showed in 2008. That August, President George W. Bush sat immobile as Putin’s Russia threw the invading Georgians out of South Ossetia.

Again, America is not going to war for Georgia or Ukraine. We have demonstrated that with our inaction in the Russian-Georgia war of 2008, in the Crimea and Donbass crises in 2014, and in the Ukraine crisis of 2021. So, why not find a way to convey this reality, to avert a Russian invasion of Ukraine and war Kyiv would surely lose?

If Ukraine and Georgia are not going to be admitted to NATO or given Article V war guarantees, why not say so publicly now?

What is happening today is that, after decades of moving NATO east from the Elbe River to the Baltic states and borders of Russia itself, the chickens of NATO expansion are coming home to roost.

Since the end of the Cold War, NATO has doubled in size.

We now have outstanding U.S.-NATO war guarantees to 28 nations on the other side of the Atlantic, some of them tiny nations deep inside Eastern Europe, in the very shadow of Russia, the largest nation on earth.

The day cannot be far off when the U.S. is going to have to review and discard Cold War commitments that date to the 1940s and 1950s, and require us to fight a nuclear power such as Russia for countries that have nothing to do with our vital interests or our national security.

Ryabkov’s call for U.S.-Russia negotiations at Geneva may be the place to begin a public reappraisal of our Cold War commitments.

For any concessions we make on not expanding NATO into Ukraine and Georgia, we can demand reciprocal Russian concessions. New arms agreements to limit U.S. and Russian missiles in Europe and to restrict the number of U.S. and Russia air and naval operations near the borders of our respective countries seem negotiable.

A Russian-Ukrainian war, which Kyiv would almost surely lose, would prove a disaster for both nations.

The winner would be China. For such a war would leave Russia no place else to turn for an economic, political and strategic partner. And U.S. interests are not served by the cementing alliance between Beijing and Moscow.

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SmallerGovNow

“…crisis created by those 100,000 Russian troops on Ukraine’s borders…” Neocon bullshit. The border is Russia’s border as well. And it has not been uncommon for Russians to conduct exercises in that region this time of year… Chip

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

If only we would place 100,000 troops on our border to repel the invasion that is actually happening.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Don’t be so literal. Wheels within wheels……Vlad wants to restore the Russian empire. He has aligned himself with China (keep your friends close and your enemies closer). So you have to think of Ukraine as a part of the larger conflict between the current world power the USA and the rising power China. Russia is going to draw in US assets and personnel with an attack on Ukraine but short of nuclear war. That gives China the strategic room to take Taiwan……at which point Russia then pushes for whatever it wants in Ukraine and perhaps beyond…….Jui Jitsu…….keep the opponent off balance. Vlad hates China more than the feckless West who are easily manipulated and controlled but China is a means to an end. That end being re-establishing the buffer zone for Russia and recovering lost prestige and wealth. Biden is Russia’s and China’s best chance to accomplish what they want….DeSantis won’t be so easy. China may or may not have a tech advantage in hypersonics but certainly, they have the resources to take Taiwan……Controlling Taiwan you control the Eastern Pacific and that will be a bad thing for us. We could stop Vlad in his tracks, probably without a fight but Biden lacks the skills or will to do so. MartelsHammer here.

Stucky

“Vlad wants to restore the Russian empire.”

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pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis

The Ukraine is a wreck, thanks to the (((US State Dept))) so Vlad doesn’t want it…but he’s not going to allow the Russians in the Eastern part to be persecuted or killed–and he’s not going to allow US or Nato forces on Russia’s border under any circumstances…And that’s what he said…

c1ue
c1ue

Idiotic beyond words.
If Putin really wanted to “restore the Russian empire”, he would have taken in all those territories which Russia has been protecting.
Your equally inane comments about Taiwan are just as (not) insightful. Taiwan is in the West Pacific, you moron. Even controlling Taiwan wouldn’t control jack squat in the West Pacific since Chinese hypersonic missiles range for thousands of miles in.

Martelshammer
Martelshammer

Obviously, I meant West. I have been to Russian 70 times, I have met Putin twice and most of his minions. I call him a thug/patriot. Unlike our leaders Vlad loves his country almost as much as he loves his power and money. He genuinely believes he is doing the right thing for Russia. Now the right thing in his mind is the restoration of Russia to the level of prominence it had 1945-1980. The Golden Age of the USSR or more accurately the Golden Age of the Czars…..he fancies himself a modern Czar, a noble monarch if you will. He is smart and ruthless and utterly willing to commit violence to get what he wants. Russia with an economy about the size of Italy cannot hold territory like it did before, they can’t afford it. They can however bluff with armed force and economic power in limited areas..eg. Gazprom and Nordstream 2. We ignore the military marriage of convenience with China at our peril. Russian tech while not elegant is quite effective…..they can and will take our satellites and electronic grid at the right time…….and then sit back and watch destroy ourselves. The real threat is China of course and unlike most historical Chinese leaders Xi has territorial ambitions. We can allow them to do that but the costs to do so are significant. That’s what I don’t understand…..somehow you and Stuck and others think there are zero consequences to letting Russia and China do what they will…..I would love to hear the case for that if you dare.

Stucky

“I have met Putin twice and most of his minions. “

Yea, and I’m sure Putin revealed all his secrets to you.

Pffft. I met Werner von Braun. Really. Didn’t make me a rocket scientist,

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“Now the right thing in his mind is the restoration of Russia to the level of prominence it had 1945-1980. “

So, you can read his mind? No? So, you can provide quotes with Putin saying that, or even hinting it? No? So, you’re just flapping your gums again? Yes? Yes.

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“letting Russia and China do what they will”

Rats! Ya got me on that one. We should never let Russia and China do anything. Not without the USA’s permission. That’s even in our Constitution …. it’s filed under “Neocon Shit”.

Martelshammer
Martelshammer

Stucky slow down and answer the question….why do you believe that we can adopt American Isolation (we tried it before and it didn’t work) now with Russia and China WITHOUT negative consequences…..simple question. Make the case.

Stucky

Did I say anything about isolation? No! I am all for economic, science, and other aspects of mutual trade and/or exchange of ideas.

But, you are talking about us “LETTING” countries not do certain things. In other words, NOT mutual. So … how about you tell me how well American Interference has worked out for us in the past 30 years?

Martelshammer
Martelshammer

Stucky, can you state simply what your position is? Ron Paul free markets? I don’t want to have to take down straw men…happy to debate you actual position whatever it is…..so what should we be doing in the Ukraine or Taiwan? If the answer is nothing….not our fight, we have no national interest there, etc…..great, please confirm that but I will proceed on the assumption that you agree with the “do nothing” Putin is fully within his rights, etc. The broad point I am making is that while I am sympathetic to that point of view, our foreign meddling (Nuland in Ukraine) and foreign wars of adventure (Iraq, nation-building in Afgh, etc.) have been disastrous in terms of blood and treasure. Leaving Putin and China to operate unfettered and unopposed has serious consequences.

OK so we do nothing to deter Russia….then what happens? Extractive energy policy from Russia….Russia all too happy to use the energy weapon on Europe…..great that’s OK you say, fuck the Europeans…..While I detest Europeans also, how long before Putin takes back the Baltics to “protect Russian minorities” just like Ukraine…..creeping incrementalism….How long before Russia sponsors revolutions in Germany and France knowing we will do nothing? Sure you can say that is not happening now….but that is exactly what the USSR tried and why we kept troops in Germany post WWII. Of course that will happen again.

Similar for Taiwan…..when China has unopposed access to the Pacific through the Taiwan straits….well…the South China Sea becomes their sphere of influence. Our economy starts to crater and we lose reserve currency status and are impoverished. No Thanks. How long before China is sponsoring a revolution here….BLM, AOC etc.

All the cool kids on TBP love to bash America while praising Putin but never ever respond to the question….well what happens next? Nothing good but your Putin love team can’t seem to think that far ahead.

Jdog
Jdog

Easy answer. Because dog shit, low life, sons of bitches psychopaths, who run, and work for, the Military Industrial Complex live like royalty causing murderous wars for profit. NO war in history has ever been fought for anything other than money. We have never tried isolation, because the greedy assclowns are making too much damn money committing genocide all over the world. There is nothing more evil in this world than the Military Industrial Complex. May they all burn in hell for eternity.

August
August

I met George McGovern!

Ghost
Ghost

I met Cheech and Chong!

rhs jr
rhs jr

I met Rocky Marciano.

Ghost
Ghost

Martel? Have you seen what NATO has been up to this year?

How much help do you think they are going to be?

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Martelshammer
Martelshammer

These are two separate problems. Russia and China need to be kept in check. The West is also under assault from within by the GloboJewCommie cabal…..so yes I fully acknowledge we are weakened and fucked up….I have been saying for a long time we need to rescind our support for the Western elites by every available means…..but the fact that we are ruled by parasites doesn’t mean our enemies are our friends…the Russians and Chicoms want to fuck us up also!

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis

Vlad is restoring traditional Christian culture in Russia, that’s why (((they))) HATE him and Russia

rhs jr
rhs jr

They have hated Russia since the Czar kicked their criminal asses out.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

Martel – I agree with much of what you say, but Xi will not attack Taiwan until after the Olympics. He would lose face if the west pulled out. Next spring, Taiwan should be ready for the attack.

I don’t think it will be easy due to the straits that will have to be crossed. Taiwan will fight back and China’s ports/ships will be targeted.

No doubt that Putin has bought the creepy, old, corrupt, senile pedophile and his family.

Stucky

Jeebus. Why do so many think China has to attack Taiwan? If they want Taiwan all they have to do is;

— establish a “no fly” zone (they have the capability)

— a naval blockade around the island (they have the capability)

— wait for them to starve to death (the Chinese are patient)

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

They would rather take them out through force, than to risk what might happen when a USN vessel tried to come through their blockade. The Chairborne Commandos at the Pentagram would easily sacrifice a small surface vessel to show the world what the chicoms really are. Wasting a plane would not cost so much nor lose as many lives, but I think they would go for the bigger splash a sinking ship provides.

Doohickey
Doohickey

Xi and Putin are not Saddam Hussein. They own big explosives that go “boom”. That is the reason we haven’t invaded yet.

pyrrhuis
pyrrhuis

China will wear them down peacefully, no problem..

Anonymous
Anonymous

You are an idle dreamer wasting energy on war gaming. All the worlds leaders take orders from higher ups.

John Pietrusiewicz

But that’s real. The new America only deals in fictitious endeavors.

John Pietrusiewicz

I had the same thought. Neocons must have their war. The Fourth Turning ends with war. This is probably it.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

The fact that Biden has hinted that repercussions of a Russian incursion into Ukraine would be economic only is good, but Biden isn’t running things and probably won’t be there for long anyway. I highly doubt that there will be an incursion in any meaningful sense anyway.

John Pietrusiewicz

I think the war may only be Psychological, and It is definitely on right now.

Doohickey
Doohickey

Biden is a lot like Bush 2.

He only fights little guys less than half his size. Otherwise, his tail goes between the legs.

Be Prepared
Be Prepared

Did Biden hint this before or after his diaper was changed? Because it makes a difference on how well he is parroting his keepers words… Yup, he is the sock and many others hands are operating his every move.

Arthur_500
Arthur_500

If you aren’t so correct I would just cry. These bastards want their WW II where the myth is the glorious Americans conquered all evil and ruled the world. They have been smoking that shit for 70 years. Now they want to kill YOUR children (never theirs) to live the dream. Reminds me of Teddy Roosevelt, but at least that crazy bastard went to war himself.

m
m

Read Gilbert Doctorow for comparison, who at least gives a pretty balanced ‘how did we get here’ – even though his two explanations are ridiculous for their blind spots too.

The film ‘World Order’ he mentions is available with English subtitles here https://vimeo.com/150779162

steve Z.
steve Z.

M,
Thanks for posting.
Putin seems to be rational and grounded, unlike the West.
NATO has literally ringed Russia’s western front over the years.
How dare Russia and Putin have its land mass so close to proposed and completed NATO bases(sarc).
No need for worry, Dopey Joe has been in politics for 50 years and his experience will guide us through (double sarc).

Stucky

“As a citizen of Russia and the head of the Russian state I must ask myself: Why would we want a world without Russia? Fifty years ago, the streets of Leningrad taught me one thing: If a fight’s inevitable, you must strike first Any aggressor should know that retribution will be inevitable and he will be destroyed. And since we will be the victims of his aggression, we will be going to heaven as martyrs. They will simply drop dead, won’t even have time to repent.”

—– Vladimir Putin, closing remarks at his Ultimatum

I kind of get the idea that he’s tired of fucking around with the West, especially ‘Murica.

China has since given her full support to the Russian demands.

I’m not worried one bit. I am 100% positive that We Americans are safe with Bad Ass Dementia Joe as our Dear Leader. He speaks softly, even whispers sometimes, but carries a big dick.

Lee Harvey Griswald
Lee Harvey Griswald

Whose dick is it?

TampaRed

“Whose dick is it?”
the husband’s he stole jill away from–never forget that he took her from another man

John Pietrusiewicz

Didn’t you mean LIMP.

Eyes Wide Shut
Eyes Wide Shut

Maybe this is the beginning of God setting hooks in the jaw of Putin to draw him and his armies and allies south towards Israel and the Great Ezekiel 38 war of the end times.

Ezekiel 38:4
And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

Ivan
Ivan

oh good lord, it’s another dispie

Stucky

Not that Buchanan is wrong, but he’s offering up Weak Sauce analysis.

The Saker, as is usually the case, offers up the best, most detailed, and most logical analysis of anyone.

Russia’s ultimatum to the West (IMPORTANT UPDATE)

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Yes, The Saker’s stance on the Shit Shot is abhorrent. He’s a dumfuk in that regard. Yes, I said I would “NEVER!!” read him again.

But, that was before I started Meditation studies. Meditation has helped me to see clearly now, the rain is gone, and I can see all obstacles in my way. My life is now filled mostly with bright sunshiny days, blue skies, and rainbows. YOU should try meditating also.

Ghost
Ghost

You will want to come back soon, old friend. I’ve gone down a rabbit hole I’ve never seen before and you know very well I go down rabbit holes more than any woman you’ve ever known.

Just this morning my Flemish Giant snuck out of her pen inside my back yard. I stepped out the back door with a carrot and some lettuce and she hopped right over to me. I carried her back to her duplex hutches (another long story for another time).

The rabbit hole I followed this morning led to a German-Soviet connection in Poland i forget mentioned.

If you understand that, come back soon to see my followup to Stuckenheimer and HSF directly, AP 🙂 squared, and others i forget sometimes.

I hope Biden gets Beria’d.

If you watch it through you will remember the earlier photos of Beria with young girls and shudder.

You will also realize how the Democrats are starting to divide up their little polit-bureau empires to crown a new quing or whatever we will be forced to call “IT” the giant mind control thing from A Wrinkle in Time.

The real one.

Stucky

Ok, Frau Magoo. Ahl be baaaack.

Ghost
Ghost

Just to piss you know who off, here is JC’s interview with Dr. Kevin McKernan.

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1239989488?t=00h24m30s

I’m composing a comment regarding the ultimatum to Russia now, but JC’s interview is a good one and I may submit it to a blog elsewhere.

JC’s wife went to Holland to visit her sister, who took the shot(s) and is now terminal with cancer. Coincidence? Perhaps, but very possibly it is caused by the mRNA.

Ghost
Ghost

I need to tuck this somewhere for reference later.
https://www.micron.com/

Would someone else look at this and tell me if you see what I see? Drammit?

https://www.micron.com/1alpha-dram-technology

Ken31
Ken31

If Buchanan said it, I don’t need to read it to know it is wrong.

John Pietrusiewicz

Pat has this fantasy that main street news isn’t run by the CIA.

Ghost
Ghost

Russia wants a full victory which she would define as “defanging NATO“, at least in Europe. Why?

TN Patriot
TN Patriot

I seen no reason for us to continue supplying weapons, troops and lots of money to NATO. It is far past time for Europe to defend itself and its borders.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

Putin: “Don’t let Ukraine into NATO”
Me: Oh, I’ll do one way better – end NATO altogether.

Remember that Obama/Hillary used NATO “Supreme Allied Commander” James Stavridis (such a big title for a guy who’s 5’5″ tall) to attack Gaddafi in another not-declared-by-Congress war and turn the most prosperous and stable country in Africa into an ISIS-run shithole. NATO is just a cutout for the US to do whatever it wants to do.

B_MC
B_MC

Well, Germany seems to taking the threat seriously….

Germany’s Defense Minister just issued the most harsh and deadly sanctions against Putin personally….

Ahead of her trip to Lithuania, where she visited German soldiers stationed in the country as part of NATO’s enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup, Lambrecht called on Western nations to “put Putin and his inner circle in the crosshairs.” She proposed personal sanctions against Russia’s leadership if Moscow invades Ukraine, “for example, that they can no longer travel to the Champs Élysées in Paris to shop.”

Further down, without tongue-in-cheek…

Germany is a nobody in a gigantic geopolitical realignment game between three titans: US, Russia and China in which the fate of EU countries may end being a lunch for desperate United States trying to postpone the inevitable.

https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2021/12/breaking-news-putin-is-finshed-russia.html?m=1

Stucky

“NATO’s enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup”

Putin’s reaction …..

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Martelshammer
Martelshammer

I am somewhat perplexed by the naivety of you Mr. Stuck and others that are fetishizing Vlad as superior to the US. If China becomes the dominant world power your standard of living is going to plunge dramatically assuming we are still alive. Loss of the world’s reserve currency sucks….just ask Spain, Great Britain, Rome etc. Sure I hate our so-called leadership and elites as much as the rest but I don’t think you have thought through the consequences. Be careful what you wish for. The better answer is to get rid of the shitty US elites and keep Russia and China in check…..China is getting old rapidly so they will collapse on their soon if we don’t capitulate. Bashing America accomplishes nothing and just makes you look like a simpleton. Russia and China are not friendly or virtuous in any way.

Stucky

blah blah blah. Stick to the issue at hand.

You said —> “Vlad wants to restore the Russian empire.”

—1) Provide some proof …. other than your flapping gums

—2) You might want to start with “WHY would Putin want this? WHAT benefit would there be for Russia to re-empire?

Crickets.

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“Russia and China are not friendly or virtuous in any way.”

But, America is, right?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

While I love your screen name, what on earth does the governance of Ukraine have to do with which country is the dominant world power? China’s rise has nothing to do with whether Russia uses its power to stick up for ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. China’s rise relative to us is mostly because of their average IQ, the huge number of stem grads they produce, the fact that they’re a more ethnically cohesive society and the fact that most of them are willing to work rather than sitting around smoking pot or whoring themselves out by creating an Only Fans page. There’s precious little we can do militarily to “keep Russia in check” (have you seen our woke generals lately?). If anything, getting into a tangle with Russia – if it doesn’t end up going nuclear – would be just the kind of distraction and economic sinkhole (like we haven’t had enough of those) that would help China grow in power.

TampaRed

+100,senor martel–
btw,russia has far more nukes pointed at china than she does the usa–

m
m

You’re a member of their committee which selects the targets?

TampaRed

committees are a frustrating waste of time —

Stucky

“… russia has far more nukes pointed at china than she does the usa–”

Awww, c’mon man! Stop throwing more horse manure on the Russia Bad argument.

You have ZERO proof of that from reliable sources. You have ZERO ability to access that data, and neither dos anyone else …. unless you have an inside source at Russia’s Military Command Center.

TampaRed
Ghost
Ghost

I think they might.

Bos'n
Bos'n

Who exactly would you say is the dominant world power today ? As a retired US miltary NCO , I would be interested to hear your answer . Many careers have been built on studying and countering “Russia” , a lot of careers would be ended if the practice were to stop . I’ve never met Putin , but have had drinks and cigarettes stolen by Russian sailors while on liberty in Pusan and Pattaya , both my fault for leaving them at the bar while going to take a wizz . I get from your posts that perhaps you have been one of those people who made a living at studying Russia . I think NATO has long since outlived its mission , and the U.S. should not be paying the lion’s share of funding . I couldn’t give two shits if Russia took back Donbas , the citizens there would like it , as did the Crimeans when it was put to a vote . And please explain the Minsk Accord (Agreement) as it pertains to NATO forces being put into Ukraine . I find it a play on words when our media says Russia is building up troops on the Ukrainian border , when it is more apt to say Russia is building up troops on their border with Ukraine . Russia has stated their position clearly and has been very open to arranging dialogues about the situation . Hell in the early 90’s a russian intell gathering ship the “balzan” or “balzam” (forget I’m old) would regularly observe our ship’s (I was on the Nimitz at that point) flight ops in our op area off San Diego and practically had a position in battle group pre deployment work ups . My drinkin buddy at a later command was a russian linguist (CTI) Type on P3’s out of Atsugi Japan and wingtip to wingtip they would flash Hustler centerfolds out the window at the Russians to get a wing waggle and a thumbs up . Back to my original point if I had one , the Russians are ready to talk , and will talk . I see their military posturing as more defensive than offensive , as they have said through numerous communication conduits .

Stucky

“… the Russians are ready to talk , and will talk .”

First, the points you make in your commentary hits the mark!

I agree with your comment above …for now. But, I believe the window of opportunity — the talking part — has a rather limited shelf life. I’m talking months, not years. Putin has had enough with American blah blah blahing. Time for measurable and verifiable ACTION, not talk, is at hand.

The Saker has a reasonable and logical perspective on this —-“Quick update on the Russian ultimatum”
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Quick update on the Russian ultimatum

Yahsure
Yahsure

A dumb war somewhere to deflect attention from all the horrible stuff our Gov. is doing at home is inevitable.
The military/industrial complex needs enemies and action to justify its existence.

Stucky

Dems: blah blah fuckity blah blah!

Repubs: blah blah fuckity blah blah!

Libs: blah blah fuckity blah blah!

Neocons: blah blah fuckity blah blah!

Fucking Idiots: blah blah fuckity blah blah!

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Putin: —> “Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that hopes for a deal with Washington to limit NATO expansion in Eastern Europe are slim, arguing that even a signed agreement could be torn up by the American side at a moment’s notice. “

When there is ZERO trust between two negotiators, then all this analysis is a total waste of time. War is either coming, or not. Everything else …. resets, reevaluating, reasoning … ’tis all the empty clanging of cymbals.
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https://www.rt.com/russia/543859-putiin-america-ignore-promises/

Red River D
Red River D
Anonymous
Anonymous

Great movie. I loved Slim’s description of the “survival” kit – hell boys we could have great weekend in Vegas with that.

Red River D
Red River D

Gold and morphine and a loaded .45 ACP?

What could go wrong?

daddy Joe
daddy Joe

How would most US citizens feel if Russia set up bases, airfields, and weapon systems in Canada or Mexico? Putin, as well as most of our many enemies, can make any ultimatum they want because they correctly perceive that in spite of the loyalty and skill of our frontline enlisted military we are led by a woke group of political appointees posing as leaders and field commanders. Of course, commanded by a doddering, slobbering, demented meat puppet. The recent photograph of the female pilot styling in the new maternity flight suit told our enemies all they needed to know about our combat readiness. The elite rulers (unelected) of this world would like nothing better than for us to get our assses whipped again on the other side of the globe. It requires a lot of ass whupping to bring down an empire like ours was.

Doohickey
Doohickey

The military started going ‘woke’ over 40 years ago when I served. Since then, under limp-wristed leadership, the wokeness has gone exponential. It’s turned into the great social experiment that has failed. Even the Taliban kicked our asses and we left with our tails stuck between our legs.

Those of you alive during the Kennedy administration understand how America reacts to foreign military threats when Khrushchev planted missile in Cuba. It damned near started WW3. But in 2021 our warmongers believe that we can plant missiles in neighboring nations of Russia with impunity. Got news for them. Putin ain’t Saddam Hussein.

Zulu Foxtrot Golf
Zulu Foxtrot Golf

That is Russia’s chicken and they can fuck it however they want. We need to quit holding the wings for them.

Montefrio

This calls to mind a story told me by a WWII vet some 40 years ago. He was on a battalehip that got kamikazied and suffered serious burns leaving subcutaneous flesh exposed to mosquito bites in South Carolina in July. When he complained to the black orderly about this, the response was ¨Mistuh XXX, these is only Ju-LY mosquitos. In August, you can look out dat window dere and see ’em out back barefoot, fuckin’ chickens.”

Heywood Jablomi
Heywood Jablomi

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the mercs are preparing the fkn false flag.
Sitting alongside President Putin during this war preparation speech, this report notes, was Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, who beyond shockingly revealed to these senior military officers that American private military companies (PMC’s) are preparing a provocation using chemical weapons in troubled and tense eastern Ukraine—saw Defense Minister Shoigu warning there are more than 120 employees of American PMC’s operating in the region, where they are working with Ukrainian special forces, and further revealed that containers with “unidentified chemical components” have been delivered to the cities of Avdeevka and Krasny Liman in Donbass in order to stage provocations—in immediate response to this war provocation saw Russia completely halting all natural gas supplies to NATO-bloc member Germany, that comes at the same time Europe’s emergency natural gas stockpile kept in Germany just hit an historic low, and whose immediate effect of caused natural gas prices in Europe to smash all-time highs—after which European Union leader President Gitanas Nauseda urged NATO to being an immediate deployment of troops to the Eastern Front.

B_MC
B_MC

in immediate response to this war provocation saw Russia completely halting all natural gas supplies to NATO-bloc member Germany, that comes at the same time Europe’s emergency natural gas stockpile kept in Germany just hit an historic low,

Vox Day has commented on this as well…

One step closer to conflict in Europe.

Deliveries of Russian natural gas to Germany through the Yamal-Europe pipeline have been completely halted, data from the country’s transport operator, Gascade, revealed on Tuesday morning. The suspension of the flow comes after a weekend in which the volume being sent through the network dropped significantly, just as demand for energy in both Russia and the rest of Europe reached its winter peak. On Monday, it was reported that state-owned giant Gazprom, the system’s operator in Russia and Belarus, had booked no capacity at all for transiting natural gas on Tuesday.

No Heat for You

rhs jr
rhs jr

If there is another civilian gas attack like occurred in Syria, the first suspect is those 120 American Mercenaries no matter what the US Intelligence Service and Western Controlled Mass Media says. PS: Just read that the DoD has established a list of Extremist Traits (a load of Bull Shit) and will be discharging all Extremist. Just damn, that would have been a Maverick like me. This will leave an armed Affirmative Action force that will move against Civilians ultimately like in Australia, Canada and EU. Allowing Democrats to steal elections has consequences.

Arthur_500
Arthur_500

The US can threaten anyone it desires and screams when other countries have the audacity to look at their own neighborhood and want to know why the US has military (unconstitutional) sitting there.

Junious Ricardo Stanton

We are witnessing the 1962 Cuban missile crisis in reverse; that could have (if the Pentagon in the 1960’s had its way) led to a full scale war with Russia. Fortunately calmer heads prevailed.
In this situation I’m not sure the oligarchs and MIC want to stop a conflict. I know they are not the brightest bulbs out there. The US economy/financial system are in implosion mode, one way to distract us from that is to saber rattle and posture. But can the US actually win a war against a non third world country?
The disturbing reality is when the US war gammed a conflict with China last year the US lost! https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2021-07-27/US-China-military-war-game-hyten-2326077.html, https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/war-games-suggest-the-us-will-lose-fast-if-it-confronts-china-44960. The writer while still a paleoconservative still pushes US exceptionalism. He knows the US is finished as an empire but won’t come right out and say it.

daddy Joe
daddy Joe

Junious, You’re right on three points: It’s ’62 in reverse and therefore dangerous. The writer has had his time in the sun, and while I shared his ideals for a long time we now live in a new reality. The new disturbing reality is not only that we couldn’t win a war with China, but probably would not win any war the global rulers care to put us in. Our new woke leaders and the entrenched military/ industrial complex would insure any war will at best become another drawn out embarrassment on the world stage. That’s what they do!

Junious Ricardo Stanton

Daddy Joe,
I agree with most of what you’ve shared about the US not being able to win real wars, but in the case of a US/NATO vs Russia war, it would not be a drawn out bungling affair like Afghanistan, Viet Nam nor a wham- bam thank you Ma’am Panama or Libya operation due to the no nonsense approach of Putin.

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man

Join the Russians! Deal with them later.

The Boogie Man
The Boogie Man

Every Army needs a backer.

overthecliff
overthecliff

NATO=The Big 1 and the Little 29 who contribute little but staging areas.

Anonymous
Anonymous

If the Russians were serious, and really wanted to effect change in US government behavior, they would threaten to nuke Israel if America plays any games.

Michael Bales
Michael Bales

you must be commies

Southern Sage
Southern Sage

God bless Pat. He is a patriot, but his day is past. It is much too late to ask Washington to engage in reasonable behavior. We have provoked the bear and the bear is going to bite us on the ass. We have no business being involved in murky eastern European border spats. The Russians are slow to saddle but they ride fast. Be prepared for a surprise if this madness does not end.

Jdog
Jdog

The last thing NATO wants is to try to take on Russia in its back yard. As history has taught several times, it is a logistical nightmare, and Russian troops are much tougher than the woke NATO alliance. NATO would lose badly, and be faced with defeat, or nuclear confrontation. Over what? Russia saying no to NATO bases on their borders?

rhs jr
rhs jr

The NATO Commander, Jens Stoltenberg, has already replied that NATO will not negotiate. I don’t know what FJB, Congress, EU, etc will say but we will become even more belligerent. Orthodox Christmas isn’t until 6Jan2o22 so a few weeks will pass then expect lots of problems to beset our side ( which is not respected by Russians), militarily and otherwise (re supplies, sabotage, riots etc) . If FJB does not back down in the coming months, I expect an all out surprise attack by Russia, China, Iran, etc and the Affirmative Action Kakistocracy of America will be destroyed in one hour without inflicting any serious damage on any attacker. EU will not lift a finger to help US. China will fill cargo ships with troops to plunder/sack/pillage and rape America . All Pacific nations will ally with China. Letting Democrats steal elections has consequences.

James Spiazzi
James Spiazzi

Listen please don’t take me as a fool not fully educated but somewhat. This is my biggest fear and I hope I’m wrong it seems like if we do not get some of the weapons out of Ukraine things will continue to get worse. And even being an American with a president that can’t even read an autocue if that is not bad enough we have fallen so far behind on military might, lets just use the hypersonics as an example it just seems to me that Russia is starting and has been showing some pretty strong military power, now if we believe that these so called massive sanctions are going to make bit of a difference before they start shooting there hypersonics off I think we are in for a rude wake up call. My personal worry is that to many things are going to happen to fast and the next thing you know it’s nuclear winter, I really hope I am wrong, but it just seems these discussions are going no where. Just a very worried indiviual. Please forgive me for any misspellings or idiotic sentences. I just guess all we can do at this time is hope that some type of intervention occurs and you can take that anyway you want. Best of luck to all.

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