A Faintly Curmudgeonly Analysis of the Sino-Dimbulbian Clash

Submitted by Thaisleeze

Guest Post by Fred Reed

A staple response of nationalistic commenters on the web, when told that China is advancing rapidly in technology, is a truculent, “If the Chinese are so damn smart, why do they send their students to American universities? Huh?”

The answer may surprise. Appended below is an email from an internet friend with a career in math and engineering:

“Fred,

“….My oldest daughter, being half Asian, has joined many Asian circles of friends at her university.  When one of the groups was talking about why Chinese come to (state), to study, one of the male students said “Not the best of the Chinese students come to America.  I came here because I couldn’t get into a good college at home.  It’s much easier to get into an American college. ”

The acceptance rate at my daughter’s university’s college of Science and Engineering is 7%.  This student felt that it was very easy to get into.

My daughter’s best friends are now mostly foreign Asians who come here to study.  Her American friends are almost all lost and adrift.   Her high school has been consistently ranked in the top 3 in the state, but her former classmates are almost all lost and failing.  Those classmates who got into the U of (state) of CSE are dropping out because of the work load.  I don’t think those analysts at the CIA, Harvard, etc., realize that the nation’s defense depends more on what is happening to America’s young people, rather than defense or economic technology.  When I was in China and visited two schools, I could see that China knows its future depends on these students.

George”

This is not an isolated view. A few years back another friend’s daughter, then teaching petroleum geology at (I think) Rice, told him that her Nigerian students were better prepared mathematically than the American.

This, boys and girls, is the American system in flower. Degeneration is now the norm. A cursory Google search produces countless examples of math being dumbed down as being racist, grammar being abandoned for the same reason, advanced placement courses being eliminated or enstupidated for the same reason, and standardized tests and admission requirements in general being eliminated for the same reason. The underlying explanation (I will guess) is the anti-intellectualism in the fundamentally plebeian American character and the realization by the rabble that in a pseudodemocracy they can vote themselves the treasury, government, and culture. Which they have.

The foregoing are just a few examples of the growing inferiority of America’s social, economic, and governmental systems to those of China. As Americans we are told from birth that we are the smartest, most technologically and scientifically advanced, inventive, free, militarily powerful, democratic, and astonishing country in the world, far superior to such authoritarian and undemocratic nations as China. Well, it just ain’t so. Not now.

Why?

First, the Chinese government is heavily technocratic, rife with engineers, scientists, and economists. At the top, Xi Jin Ping is a chemical engineer, Biden a second-rate lawyer graduating low in his class at a mediocre law school after being caught cheating. America chooses leaders, if so they quite are, in popularity contests, and so has leaders whose chief accomplishment is being popular. When last I looked, I think that in all of Congress there was one scientist.

Since American leaders are elected every two, four, or six years, they spend more time running for reelection than governing–posing, polishing their images, consulting pollsters, testing the wind. Today the midterms preoccupy Washington with pols looking not at what the country needs but at how not to look soft on China or Russia. In 2024, will we get more Biden, or Harris? Trump? Some pretty governor whose chief appeal will be that he is not Biden or Trump? None of whom could do high-school algebra.

Second, the inherent and ineradicable weakness of democracies, that the great majority of the public lack the intelligence, knowledge, interest, or some combination of these, to be allowed to vote. So do most of Congress. They are elected for their ability to be elected, nothing else.

Hiding this ignorance, both of people and leaders, is an important duty of the media. Reporters ask, “Senator, what do you think of America’s Afghanistan policy?” not, “Do you have the slightest freaking idea of where Afghanistan is?”

A third of the public cannot name any of the three branches of the federal government, and they vote! Far fewer  know what the Dardanelles are or what countries border the Caspian, whatever that is. This makes the populace easily manipulated. If CNN and MSNBC for three months say, “The Russians are coming, oh god, the Russians are coming,” polls will show that the public sees Russia as a grave danger. Not one in ten could tell the Duma from a poached egg. (I might add that it is difficult to tell our leaders from poached eggs. (If the media then said, “The Guatemalans are coming, oh God…,” in three months….

Chinese leaders do not have to concern themselves with election or this or that political fad. They can focus on long-term ends and maintain constant policies. It shows.

Third, Chinese leadership is authoritarian. When Beijing decides that something needs to be done, it is. Over two decades ago, China decided that it needed high-speed rail. It was constructed year after year and now has combined length of twenty-four thousand miles. This sustained focus, applied to a gamut running from bridges to the space program, produces results.

America cannot do this. It bogs down in a tangle of bureaucracy, infighting by special interests, and struggles over funding. America cannot undertake high-speed rail because the Republicans would block funding, airlines would pay Congress to drop the idea, racial lobbies would object that it went through their neighborhoods, environmentalists and many others would file suit, and the project would degenerate into pork.

An aspect of Chinese authoritarianism is that the government governs. If Beijing says that Bitcoin mining will stop in China, it does. Right now. If it says that some IPO won’t take place, it doesn’t. If it says that such-and-such is needed to block covid, such-and-such happens and covid is blocked. By contrast, America runs on a sort of inverse socialism. Instead of an economic system in which the means of production belong to the government. America is a system in which the government belongs to the means of production. Wall Street, the big corporations, the media, military industry, and so on This results in policy to the advantage of these, not the country. For example, purchases of hugely expensive and unnecessary weapons while infrastructure decays, an inability to fire incompetent teachers or raise standards for hiring.

Forth, American government is weak. Rebellious groups riot night after night, burning and vandalizing, and government does nothing. Flash mobs loot stores and organized shoplifting drives stores out of cities, and governments look on when they do not actually approve. Effective vaccination against covid is impossible because many refuse, with whole websites encouraging refusal. Crime flourishes, carjackings, racial attacks, shootings, and governments do nothing.

Since the Chinese do not loot, I can’t be sure how they would solve the problem. They don’t have the problem because they are civilized, and we no longer are. America could end looting with four words, “Looters will be shot,” followed by perhaps two demonstrations. But American governments have ceded control of the streets to pillagers.

Fifth, China does things to benefit its people. America doesn’t. Whether the Chinese government does this from a resurgence of Confucian values, or to keep the people happy so they don’t revolt, can be argued. The fact cannot. The standard of living in the Middle Kingdom has been going straight up, astonishingly up, over four decades.

Compare this with an America in which sprawling, growing aggregations of homeless people live on sidewalks in city after city, schools in the downtowns (We mustn’t say “slums.”)  annually produce millions of semiliterates, retirement programs vanish, people can’t afford medical and dental care, university students are craftedly loaded with crippling debt for increasingly sub-mediocre educations by predatory banks, and thousands are shot annually in cities to the amazement of the civilized world.

Beijing decides which industries are vital to the country’s advance and encourages them by subsidies. This is common sense. Washington says it is “unfair trade practice.” Why Washington gets to decide the developmental policies of other countries isn’t clear and in any event Biden’s infrastructure package includes multibillion-dollar subsidies for the semiconductor business, but perhaps incoherence is thought a virtue.

Sixth, China differs starkly from America in its approach to international relations. America relies on economic coercion and military force or its threat. China depends primarily on commerce. Thus it has a huge trade surplus with the rest of the world from a for-profit economy and uses the consequent money for massive spending on China—roads, bridges, power plants. America has a massive trade deficit with the rest of the world, in particular China, and a huge national debt from the printing of money. It spends hugely on its military while infrastructure crumbles and begins to look like something from the Fifties.

Examples abound. America goads Russia militarily and economically, while Sino-Russian trade rapidly increases. America sanctions Iran and threatens it militarily, while Tehran and Beijing sign a large trade contract and Iran joins the SCO. America concludes naval alliances against China while rail traffic from China to Europe grows apace. America builds military bases in Africa while China buys up resources and builds infrastructure. America bombs Afghanistan without mercy for twenty years and then confiscates its financial reserves to starve its people; China provides aid and wants to build infrastructure and open mines. America bombs Iraq into rubble, but China inks a deal to build schools.

Seventh, Americans believe that they are free and the Chinese are not. They believe this because the media, social and legacy, tell them so. There is some truth in this. In China, if you say wrong things in chats, they simply disappear and, if you persist, the police will show up. “Wrong things” include mention of Tian An Men, Tibet, and Taiwan. In China, you do not buck the government.

In America, which has freedom of speech, websites that say wrong things disappear from Google, cannot be reposted on Facebook, are banned from YouTube and Twitter, disappear from the Wikipedia, and have their credit-card accounts canceled. If you are discovered to have said something deemed racist in an ancient email, and almost anything can be deemed racist, you can be fired. Yet there is free speech in America. The media say so.

There is a real sort of social control in China that does not exist in America. When China decided that boys were spending so much time playing video games that it was becoming a problem, it banned the games during the week and limited them to three hours on weekends. When it decided that private tutoring of children was becoming harmful, it forbade the undesirable parts. Done.

Further, China values morality of the sort that America did until recently. Pornhub is blocked, full stop. China does not have a philosophically advanced Supreme Court believing that Thomas Jefferson meant for children of ten to watch sadomasochism on cellphones. Violeta watches East Asian television series for the young out of cultural curiosity (these have Spanish subtitles). I can’t see well enough to read these, but she reports that Chinese series push civilized adolescents (to the extent these exist) speaking and behaving decently and solving the usual problems of such shows in a way consonant with morality. The US did the same in the Fifties and pre-war Sixties.

Today, the American series are all fuck this and fuck that and motherfuck the other thing and did Sally give Bobby a hand job after the prom. Take your pick.

Finally, a somewhat amorphous observation: The Chinese seem quicker, more agile, faster to market, to be moving into the future while America remains almost torpid. Five G, rapidly built out, quickly gets put to use in ports and factories. The digital yuan booms along while America talks. The digitization of almost everything roars ahead. While American trains creep along, China’s 360-mph model is in advanced development. Companies seem to get an idea Tuesday morning and have it in production by Friday afternoon. Where is this heading?

I need a drink.

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Dan
Dan
January 11, 2022 7:16 pm

The CCP isn’t sending”students” here to learn. They are sending them here to spy.
Just like Chinese citizens coming here to “work”. It’s just the cover for espionage.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Dan
January 12, 2022 9:42 am

Before China was “opened” to the West, the only way Chinese citizens could really escape the country to get a foreign education was to be considered politically reliable. In Mao and Deng Xiao Ping’s day, that meant vetted “Red Guard” or sworn membership in the Communist Party.
I personally know a woman who was sent to Germany for an engineering degree who used this as an avenue for defection and eventually married her husband, a statistical mathematician and software developer.
I seriously doubt things have changed too much since then.

clbrto
clbrto
January 11, 2022 7:28 pm

“Effective vaccination against covid is impossible because many refuse, with whole websites encouraging refusal.” ????

guess we should get the Chinese to help us remove such problematic websites from public access – they’re so superior at such freedom-squashing techniques

and we’ll need some UN soldiers to physically restrain and medically treat US citizens against their will (illegal aliens to remain exempt)

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
January 11, 2022 7:48 pm

Nice essay, Thai. 30 years ago, the company I worked for provided training for some Chinese after they bought some of our oil exploration equipment. The first group were engineers and would be the ones who taught the workers how to operate, maintain and repair the machines. I was assigned as part of the group responsible for getting them from hotel to class, arranging lunches and taking them to dinner each night for the 2 weeks. A few of them spoke fairly good English and it was enlightening to visit with them during the dinners.

One of the primary things I picked up was their reliance on planning. The CCP puts together 5, 10, 25 & 50 year plans. These are tweaked as they go along, but the central government provides the blueprint for Chinese industry, infrastructure and foreign relations. If the government decides to build an airport, it is designed, land cleared, paved and buildings erected faster than an American company can get his environmental impact study completed for a similar project.

One of the managers in a later group made the comment one night that America plans based on 2 year election cycles while his country is planning 50 years out. This is why they will soon be the leading economy in the world while our leaders are still trying to determine the rules allowing boys to play girl’s sports.

brian
brian
  TN Patriot
January 11, 2022 7:55 pm

Our gubment here in canukistan is on a four year rotation and ‘planning’. So it isn’t any better… Totalitarians do long term planning, time is not an issue for them… Communists and muslims are very good examples of this. The real problem with the ‘west’ is that we suffer attention deficit. squirrel…

August
August
  TN Patriot
January 12, 2022 12:01 pm

For a while at least, Americans wuz kangs.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  August
January 12, 2022 1:49 pm

And now we’s gots lots of quanes.

lamont cranston
lamont cranston
January 11, 2022 8:27 pm

So Fearless Leader in Peking has a minimum IQ of 135-140. Also, he has excellent managemenent skills backed up by the barrel of a gun(s). Certainly not a pedo. Probably had every Strickland & Thompson textbook on Strategic Management translated into Mandarin.

Prez * has, er, had, an IQ of 95 on a good day. Zero mangement skills. Great grifting, plagarizing & sniffing ability. Likely pedo. ‘Ol * just has subtitles on his German porno VCRs.

We’re f*cked…..

Anonymous
Anonymous
  lamont cranston
January 12, 2022 9:48 am

Yes, morally, economically, and militarily.

Provoking an armed conflict would be the height of stupidity, but it won’t stop the idiots in charge. Look at how NATO continues to fuck with Russia. Does this surprise you?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  lamont cranston
January 12, 2022 2:44 pm

You left out the decimal point, 9.5 IQ.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  lamont cranston
January 12, 2022 5:42 pm

1963, Took bible out of schools. 1973 Murder children in the womb. Legalize sodomy, same sex marriage and the list goes on. God will not be mocked, He will punish sin, the sin that put his Son on the cross. The nation that forgets God will be turned into Hell. That is America’s future. When is the only unanswered question remaining. Those guys with the signs The world is ending will finally be correct. Ugly times ahead.

Jimmy123
Jimmy123
  lamont cranston
January 13, 2022 10:02 am

I am an ethnic Chinese. I can say that the Chinese leaders are not necessarily so intelligent. They are the children of former Communist founders.

However, Chinese leaders know that They can not hold power if ordinary Chinese have no food to eat.

brian
brian
  Jimmy123
January 13, 2022 10:45 am

Isn’t it typical of any nation that there seems to rise to the top the not so overly bright. Or is it the Peter Principle somewhat??

The whole of the communist system of governance is corruption. From the very bottom rung to the very top those that are ‘in charge’ lie, cheat, steal and bribe, to keep from being… disappeared.

We are seeing the fruit of communism worldwide today. Wondering how much longer a couple billion people in china will take before throwing off the CCP.

Richo
Richo
January 11, 2022 8:31 pm

Fred, you need to let them post your subscription link if they want your content.

https://fredoneverything.org/list/

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka
January 11, 2022 8:45 pm

When I was a high school student in Germany in the 80s, some of my more mediocre classmates who spent a high school year in the US would go from getting mostly Cs, maybe a occasional B, to all As in the US, which was astonishing given that it was all taught in a foreign language. The grade inflation goes back many decades.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  Svarga Loka
January 12, 2022 5:45 pm

Graduated 57 years ago. Making A’s and B’s was stupid easy.

AK John
AK John
January 11, 2022 8:47 pm

Lots of good points. But that being said. The Chinese are just a bunch of pawns for the globalist agenda as any American, and probably more so. The students are all in on getting vaxxed and drugged up. For now, they just have more discipline. But that will go away soon. My wife is from Taiwan. So, I am well connected with the Chinese community where I live.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  AK John
January 12, 2022 10:04 am

This attitude has much to do with the conservative and sometimes strict cultural traditions magnified by a governmental authority that evolved from military dictatorship. My wife is from Hong Kong, originally from Shanghai area, mainland. Her mother was a very clever woman, a refugee who ran away to escape Mao’s “Cultural Revolution”.
Wife’s behavior, even though she’s been a citizen for years, is distinctly a version of no-nonsense native culture, slightly glossed over with superstition and Americanized. The unfortunate side effect – unlike me – is that she believes the US will never devolve and turn into the monstrosity her family escaped from years ago.

AK John
AK John
  Anonymous
January 12, 2022 3:34 pm

Spot on. You and I have seen it. and experienced it firsthand. Others haven’t. We are already there in blue states, and red states are working at it.

Balbinus
Balbinus
  AK John
January 12, 2022 5:47 pm

Give it time.

another Doug
another Doug
January 11, 2022 9:46 pm

Yes Yes Yes Yes, and Yes……

Bot
Bot
  another Doug
January 11, 2022 10:12 pm

He blew the whole essay for me by uttering the most egregious two words in the whole article; “effective vaccination”. Anyone with a shred of honesty would call them what they truly are, gene therapy technology. Has he had his head up his ass the last 10 months? I would suppose so as he accuses websites that actually disseminate the hard science and horrendous and criminal documented statistics of what he calls effective vaccination of encouraging refusal?
He’s clearly sided with and is complicit with the criminals/psychopaths orchestrating this massive crime against humanity.
Yeah, “vaccinate” for a flu with a 99.997% recovery rate and IFR OF .26.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  Bot
January 12, 2022 2:04 am

99.997 + .26 = 100.257

very old white guy
very old white guy
  Iska Waran
January 12, 2022 9:36 am

99.7% close enough for government work.

Syzygy
Syzygy
  Bot
January 12, 2022 9:02 am

The Chinese vaccines are the conventional type, not the untested gene therapy the American Big Pharma and the Western governments push on their people. Self inflicted depopulation in the West is happening and already overwhelming the medical systems.

August
August
  Bot
January 12, 2022 12:18 pm

Fred should indeed have avoided mentioning Chinese vaccinations. China has produced at least two ‘covid vaccines’ which are, in fact, vaccines of the old school. As far as I know, these dont work very well, but they do lack the mRNA, and the mRNA problems, of the pseudo-vaccines being forced on those in the West.

In other words, the risk associated with the Chinese (and Russian) vaccines are low, while I would personally only submit to the Moderna, Pfizer etc. pseudo-vaccines at gunpoint… maybe.

brian
brian
  August
January 12, 2022 12:27 pm

So die slow and debilitating or die fast standing??

My choice would be standing… to each their own tho…

Syzygy
Syzygy
  brian
January 12, 2022 3:47 pm

You get both possibilities with the “vaccines” but you don’t get to choose. Young strong athletes are collapsing while others languish in the hospitals and at home after the jabs.

Kerry
Kerry
  August
January 12, 2022 1:06 pm

Even when no virus exists…

WestcoastDeplorable
WestcoastDeplorable
January 11, 2022 11:57 pm

I’ve done some biz with Chinese and find they very cagey.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  WestcoastDeplorable
January 12, 2022 2:03 am

Snicky. Wery wery snicky.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  WestcoastDeplorable
January 12, 2022 10:08 am

Now, imagine there are three people in a room trying to do a business deal.
One is Indian, one is Chinese, and the third is a Jew.

How may come away without being pissed off, insulted or injured?

PSBindy
PSBindy
  Anonymous
January 12, 2022 7:51 pm

Anon, that would make a killer recurring sketch for a realist version of what Saturday Night Live used to be.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 12, 2022 1:14 am

Factory coed schooling is moronic and cruel. What works for Asian bug people may be different for Europeans, but America has been a cesspit of cultural rot for over a hundred years.

August
August
  Anonymous
January 12, 2022 12:06 pm

The FUSA has always had its problems, but today’s flaming-cesspool of tyranny really only got kicked off in 1913. December 23, I believe….

J A
J A
January 12, 2022 6:53 am

You are a victim of the system described. You do not know anything about the disease or the “vaccines”.

Kerry
Kerry
  J A
January 12, 2022 1:07 pm

Here, Here…

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 12, 2022 7:31 am

Bullshit. Yes, this country is fucked, but longing to be like the chinks has to be the ultimate stupidity expressed. 2/3 of the population is literally dirt poor. They are controlled to an extent that most don’t understand as few people have actually lived there and seen for themselves. Chinks are just as brutish as nigs in their own way.
Melty

Syzygy
Syzygy
  Anonymous
January 12, 2022 9:10 am

Have you actually lived there yourself? Many Westerners have happily and regularly report situations and a society contrary to Western propaganda you believe in.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
January 12, 2022 10:11 am

Someone needs to get out of Greenbow, Alabama.

very old white guy
very old white guy
January 12, 2022 9:34 am

Fascinating. A pro China piece on TBP. I am sure more than one person thinks this is what they read. Ya lost me with effective vaccination, as there is no fucking vaccination.

Kerry
Kerry
  very old white guy
January 12, 2022 1:08 pm

Or virus…

Guest
Guest
January 12, 2022 9:49 am

Yeah, whatever. I’m not jealous of China of all places.

Yahsure
Yahsure
January 12, 2022 10:20 am

Everything sold here that is made in China is junk. I used to work for a company that bought all its products and parts from China. It was all crap! I told my employer that if I had to put my name on every box going out that I would quit. Maybe a change is coming, more power to the states and local government that can see what is needed.

Pete
Pete
January 12, 2022 10:54 am

Fred, the main comment I have on your post is in regard to the following:

“Effective vaccination against covid is impossible because many refuse, with whole websites encouraging refusal.”

Of course many refuse and many websites encourage refusal and “rebellion.” Who among the remaining populace capable of clear, rational thought would trust any “authority coming from a government and ruling class which has lost its collective minds and is at the center of all the decay and destruction in the nation and across the globe? And, although I am impressed, at face value, by much of what you’ve written, who among the remaining thinkers in this nation will look upon the Chinese so admirably when Sleepy Joe sleeps with them?

Even if it’s true that many students come here to study because they can’t gain admission to supposedly superior Chinese universities, tell me why many stay here afterwards? Why do so many from other countries immigrate to America? Is it simply because America has made it impossible for them to live in their own countries, like Afghanistan or Iran, after twenty years of bombing and economic sanctions? Or is it something else? Is Chinese leadership amenable in any way to, say, the spiritual needs of its citizens? Or are its people merely cattle to be yolked to the economic and political agendas of the ruling class in the Middle Kingdom? You seem to suggest that dissension is condemnable and only conformity is to be lauded. Are you shilling for the CCP?

As the end of the age of petroleum continues to unfold the entire world will continue to re-align, with all the stresses strains and perversions which attend to epochal shifts. But America isn’t the first country to undergo the end of empire and it won’t be the last by a long shot. Hell, I expect a re-birth once we rid ourselves of its traitors!