Guest Post by Joe Lauria
The West has made a snap judgment about who is responsible for the massacre at the Ukrainian town of Bucha with calls for more stringent sanctions on Russia, but the question of guilt is far from decided.
Within hours of news Sunday that there had been a massacre at Bucha, a town 63 kms north of the Ukrainian capital, the verdict was in: Russian troops had senselessly slaughtered hundreds of innocent civilians as they withdrew from the town, leaving their bodies littering the streets.
Unlike their judicial systems, when it comes to war, Western nations dispense with the need for investigations and evidence and pronounce guilt based on political motives: Russia is guilty. Case closed.
Except the case hasn’t even been opened yet and the sentence is already being proposed. French President Emmanuel Macron, for instance, has called for Russian coal and oil to be banned from Europe. “There are very clear indications of war crimes,” he said on France Inter radio Monday. “What happened in Bucha demands a new round of sanctions and very clear measures, so we will co-ordinate with our European partners, especially with Germany.”
Other voices are now perilously calling for the U.S. to go to war with Russia over the incident.
“This is genocide,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told Face the Nation on CBS. “Mothers of Russians should see this. See what bastards you’ve raised. Murderers, looters, butchers,” he added on Telegram.
Russia has categorically denied it had anything to do with the massacre.
Where to Start
If there were to be a serious probe, one of the first places an investigator would begin is to map out a timeline of events.
Last Wednesday, all Russian forces left Bucha, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.
This was confirmed on Thursday by a smiling Anatolii Fedoruk, the mayor of Bucha, in a video on the Bucha City Council official Facebook page. The translated post accompanying the video says:
“March 31 – the day of the liberation of Bucha. This was announced by Bucha Mayor Anatolii Fedoruk. This day will go down in the glorious history of Bucha and the entire Bucha community as a day of liberation by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Russian occupiers.”
Screenshot from Fedoruk Facebook video.
All of the Russian troops are gone and yet there is no mention of a massacre. The beaming Fedoruk says it is a “glorious day” in the history of Bucha, which would hardly be the case if hundreds of dead civilians littered the streets around Fedoruk.
“Russian Defence Ministry denied accusations by the Kiev regime of the alleged killing of civilians in Bucha, Kiev Region. Evidence of crimes in Bucha appeared only on the fourth day after the Security Service of Ukraine and representatives of Ukrainian media arrived in the town. All Russian units completely withdrew from Bucha on March 30, and ‘not a single local resident was injured’ during the time when Bucha was under the control of Russian troops,” the Russian MOD said in a post on Telegram.
What Happened Next?
What happened then on Friday and Saturday? As pointed out in a piece by Jason Michael McCann on Standpoint Zero, The New York Times was in Bucha on Saturday and did not report a massacre. Instead, the Times said the withdrawal was completed on Saturday, two days after the mayor said it was, and that the Russians left “behind them dead soldiers and burned vehicles, according to witnesses, Ukrainian officials, satellite images and military analysts.”
The Times said reporters found the bodies of six civilians. “It was unclear under what circumstances they had died, but the discarded packaging of a Russian military ration was lying beside one man who had been shot in the head,” the paper said. It then quoted a Zelensky adviser, who said:
“’The bodies of people with tied hands, who were shot dead by soldiers lie in the streets,’ the adviser, Mykhailo Podolyak, said on Twitter. ‘These people were not in the military. They had no weapons. They posed no threat.’ He included an image of a scene, photographed by Agence France-Presse, showing three bodies on the side of a road, one with hands apparently tied behind the back. The New York Times was unable to independently verify Mr. Podolyak’s claim the people had been executed.’”
It is possible that on Saturday the full extent of the horror had yet to emerge, and that even the mayor was unaware of it two days before, though photos now show many of the bodies out in the open on the streets of the town, something that presumably would be difficult to miss.
In Bucha, the Times was close to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, whose soldiers appear in the newspaper’s photographs. In his piece, McCann suggests that Azov may responsible for the killings:
“Something very interesting then happens on [Saturday] 2 April, hours before a massacre is brought to the attention of the national and international media. The US and EU-funded Gorshenin Institute online [Ukrainian language] site Left Bank announced that:
‘Special forces have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha in the Kyiv region, which has been liberated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian forces.’
The Russian military has by now completely left the city, so this sounds for all the world like reprisals. The state authorities would be going through the city searching for ‘saboteurs’ and ‘accomplices of Russian forces.’ Only the day before [Friday], Ekaterina Ukraintsiva, representing the town council authority, appeared on an information video on the Bucha Live Telegram page wearing military fatigues and seated in front of a Ukrainian flag to announce ‘the cleansing of the city.’ She informed residents that the arrival of the Azov battalion did not mean that liberation was complete (but it was, the Russians had fully withdrawn), and that a ‘complete sweep’ had to be performed.”
Ukraintsiva was speaking a day after the mayor had said the town was liberated.
By Sunday morning, the world learned of the massacre of hundreds of people. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: “We strongly condemn apparent atrocities by Kremlin forces in Bucha and across Ukraine. We are pursuing accountability using every tool available, documenting and sharing information to hold accountable those responsible.” President Joe Biden on Monday called for a “war crimes” trial. “This guy is brutal, and what’s happening in Bucha is outrageous, and everyone’s seen it. I think it’s a war crime.”
The Bucha incident is a critical moment in the war. An impartial investigation is warranted, which probably only the U.N. could conduct. The Azov Battalion may have perpetrated revenge killings against Russian collaborators, or the Russians carried out this massacre. (Once again the Pentagon is dampening the war hysteria, saying it can’t confirm or deny Russia was responsible.)
A rush to judgment is dangerous, with irresponsible talk of the U.S. directly fighting Russia. But it is a rush to judgment that we are getting.
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Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah…
And this one…
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/04/08/syria-chemical-attack-video-foam-mouth-barrel-bomb-civilians-pleitgen-newday.cnn
And this oldie but goodie…
Gee whiz found another one…
And let’s not forget this recent one…
War in Ukraine = Green New Deal (by other means) = New World Order
It is beginning to look like they are building the EU / USA-Canada / AUS-NZ prison network. It has all been scripted in advance. Is it not so much about throwing Russia out, but more about keeping those westerners who survive the vaccines locked in?
We have to cut our energy use so we can feed our made in USA energy to those useless Europeans as the liberal democracy prison farm will be the only place soon left using the fake Federal Reserve Notes soon to transform into even faker global digital tokens connected to a social credit score. And did you hear this money transformation will be linked to “Restorative Justice” – i.e., they will give niggers free digital tokens and call it UBI (a new human right) but whitey will convert his old Fed notes for digital tokens at fractions much < 1.
What it all amounts to is that (((they))) are about to transfer white Christian wealth to the brown hoards and homosexuals so to retain power in what is billed as a democracy but is in fact a giant rigged system of financial oppression, but they are magicians that are masters at magnifying their power and their importance and their essential nature. They are like the high school cheerleaders who strut around campus as the most important of people yet the outcome of the football game proceeds as it would whether they show up to the game or not. Ignoring them will only make them more impetuous – they must be physically remove and killed if there is going to be a different outcome beneficial to the majority of humanity. We must begin to think like the Philosopher Kings – cold, rational, without empathy – and demand that the imposter Philosopher Kings stop thinking for us.
Only going against everything that is considered Christian values can these same Christian values once again be restored. Call it a necessary hiatus in order to effect a greater good. When it is over one can repent and ask for true forgiveness. We've done this before during every war we fought for the benefit of the central bank nexus – we can do it in a war that finally benefits us.
My outlook is not as pessimistic. For one, our elites live in a bubble-world with zero understanding as to how anything actually works. They are completely surrounded by ass-kissing yes men that will say and do anything to maintain their position and privilege. Waging war from a position of total ignorance can only work for so long.
The elites recently received a kick in the balls when 40% of us refused to be injected with poison even as they threatened us with economic ruin. That must have come as quite a shock to them as the full weight of the state, corporate America and the techno-fascists was brought against the refuseniks and they still didn’t budge. I bet watching hundreds and hundreds of top athletes stroke out on television must be making them nervous.
I do not see the future that you see with a digital currency, all electric vehicles and transhumanism. All of that requires a functioning grid and the grid, in its current form, is a mess. It can easily be hacked and its physical form can easily be destroyed. I’m not saying that it won’t be attempted. After all, California attempted to build a choo-choo train but discovered that it lacked the means to do so. Nixon attempted wage & price controls and that, too, failed miserably.
Finally, Russia just demonstrated to NATO that it could obliterate a NATO trained and equipped force 3x its size with comparative ease. This certainly doesn’t look good for the EU and will continue to cost us allies and trade partners. Our only real exports – weapons, will probably take a hit when China sends our Navy to the bottom of the ocean.
Oh, one more thing. Once people realize that inflation is really 20%, they’ll pull every penny possible out of their IRA’s, 401k’s, and Bonds. It will become necessary to spend any income you receive that very day and under those conditions, maintaining a stable Stock Market may prove impossible.
Agreed that it won’t work but what worries me is they will try and most of us will do nothing. A lot of this Claus Schwab Bond villain stuff is just cover for maintaining control over central banking nexus. But the time is coming soon where we will have to do something or they will create so much chaos it will be nigh impossible to fix anything back to the way it should be.
The hand that gives is always above the hand that takes and with 50% of US households receiving some kind of monthly transfer payment it has been easy for Uncle Sugar to threaten to turn off the molasses fountain. But once the US can no longer export its debt, all of the free tuition, woke genital mutilation, BLM mansions, EBT, Section 8, etc goes right out of the window. Other than naked brute force, Uncle won’t have any levers to pull to make the people do what he wants.
They can try to have the Fed go all in with a CBDC but that only works if the power is on and I am strongly of the opinion that stable, on-demand power will not be around much longer especially as they try to push their Green agenda during an energy crisis.
The WEF satanists go on about hackable humans but I’ve been waiting since 1985 for those levitating cars the engineering professors promised us young students that superconductors were supposed to usher in. These guys are 100+ years ahead of their twisted imaginations. Modern versions of HG Wells.
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IMO, any time the liberals blame someone of some crime, its exactly what they did/ are doing at that time. There is not one word of truth that comes from them… not one…
Obviously there is disinformation and propaganda on both sides but the ‘west’ spews it in spades. Unbelievable just how much the govt and its propaganda media wing vomits their lies. They are truly vile evil vermin, lower than the beasts of the Earth.
2 Peter 2:12
But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption,
Gonzalo Lira (lives in Kharkiv, Ukraine) A couple days ago he did a video called Bucha, More Lies. Since YouTube is purging anything counter to the narrative, he felt the need to yank it.
https://www.onenewspage.com/video/20220404/14617745/Gonzalo-Lira-Ukraine-Bucha-quot-MASSACRE-quot-doesn%C2%B4t.htm
By the way, I managed to actually SEE that video yesterday and believe that Lira indeed proves the four videos were filmed at the same location from different perspectives and with different scenarios. I think he was especially crude about the young woman carrying the rifle, but agree she was probably an actor and was definitely in makeup, which you might expect a Ukrainian resistance fighter to forego.
I think he provides good information, but sometimes I get tired of him just talking to himself. He’s mentioned how difficult this streaming from hiding is, so I get it that being seen filming anything is dangerous there, however… it gets tedious and could use some visual assist, so am glad I actually SAW his video on YouTube before it came down.
He is right… it would have gotten him banned.
We won’t know what happened for a while. With satellite surveillance my guess is TPTB may well know. Both sides use the same basic weapons and dress similarly so it isn’t easy for most to accurately identify who is doing what.
That said, Ukraine is a gangster state, exceptionally corrupt, and a war is about as good a cover as you will ever get for doing a purge or settling scores with real or imagined domestic enemies.
The NYT says that satellite images show the dead bodies appeared on the street in Bucha on March 10th or 11th. And how are we supposed to confirm those dates? All major American media are controlled by the US government. If they commit candor, it’s purely by accident.
Typical NYT. They want us to believe bodies were laying around for three weeks and not eaten by rats or dogs etc. If I was laying a bet I would wager these Azov people or a similar group may know something about this. One may recall a few weeks ago the Ukies were doing summary executions but apparently that’s OK with the captured media and Burisma alums.
I would love to be in a safe place watching a face-off between the Azov guys and the Wagner Group.
Dogs would have eaten them within a week. Their remains should be scattered about.
From moon of alabama.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
April 05, 2022
If The Pentagon Can Not Confirm The Bucha Tales, Who Can?
This was the most important one of yesterday’s news items.
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Pentagon can’t independently confirm atrocities in Ukraine’s Bucha, official says
WASHINGTON, April 4 (Reuters) – The U.S. military is not in a position to independently confirm Ukrainian accounts of atrocities by Russian forces against civilians in the town of Bucha, …
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“The Pentagon can’t independently and single handedly confirm that, but we’re also not in any position to refute those claims.”
If the Pentagon, which includes the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency, could not confirm what the government in Kiev claimed, who else could?
Certainly not the European minions who reacted to those dubious claims by removing more Russian embassy personal from their countries.
The U.S. is again pushing the Europeans into suiciding their economies. The U.S. would of course be the only country that would gain from that.
It’s war and shit happens.
Got coal? We do…
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/european-commission-pushes-ban-russian-coal-imports
Moar sanctions? Yippeeeee!!!
Too bad there IS NOT A SINGLE DAMNED THING Russia needs from the West. Not one. Hahahaha. Nevertheless, let’s keep doing what is obviously not working.
Here is what I propose. Russia has about 150,000,000 people. I propose we sanction every human being in Russia … including new-born infants (as opposed to old-born infants).
I say we issue 5,000 new sanctions per day. This would take 30,000 days … or, about 82 YEARS. It’s the only way … to keep CuNNt in business.
Russia denies war crime so the EU is going to sanction ……
….. the EU?
Okie dokie, if harming their own citizens makes them feel virtuous, who am I to argue.
I’m all for it…go EU! Be the first one on your block to return to the 17th century…,.
Imagine if you will a bunch of girls and soccer fags threatening a country that has so much power over those same people it merely has to close 3 gas valves and it will bring those peoples’ countries to their knees. But then we don’t have to imagine that now, do we?
OHHHH they are going to teach those evil ruskies a lesson… /s
Ya know, I really hate to jump on the (((who know who is behind this shit))) bandwagon.
But, OTOH, if the shoe fits …
This is what these fucks want to send my son to fight and probably die for. This is Zelinsky’s first TV appearance back in mid-1990’s. What sort of person who is not already utterly compromised would do something like this?
He is a puppet of Jewish Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky who previous to the war owned the largest media complex in Ukraine. As Zelinsky has nationalized all Ukrainian media the biggest winner is his boss, Ihor Kolomoisky, who now effectively controls 100% of all of Ukraine’s media through his boy Zelinsky. Freedom fighters and the moral equivalent of our founding fathers my ass.
BTW Ihor Kolomoisky – the guy that controls Zelensky – is also the chairman of Burisma Holding, the same one that paid Hunter Biden $80,000 a month for energy “advice”. Imagine that. What a coincidence.
Two Big Things (imho)
First, use some search engine –“Bucha massacre” — and SHOW me the genocide. You will find nothing to support that claim. You will find precious few images of ONE or TWO dead bodies in the street. The image “they” are showing over and over on the 4 shitfuk major cable stations is the one below. I see MAYBE 10 body bags … and we don’t know either Jack or Shit where they came from, how long they were there, or if there are even dead bodies in the bag.
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Second …. how does Russia benefit from committing genocide???
— are we to think Putin and his Generals are so goddamned stupid to think that genocide is a good idea … that they wouldn’t realize that world opinion (even from China?) would be a huge loss to them?
— does killing civilians randomly affect the outcome of the war in their favor by even one teeny tiny bit? Of course not!
So, WHO does benefit? The USA!USA!USA! and her beloved MIC, of course. More arms, more ammo, more $$$, keep ratcheting up the hate, fuck any peace overtures, detract from Dementia Joe’s fuckups, oh hell yeah we will fight to the last Ukrainian!!!
You wanna know the real war criminals? Here ya go …
US is top notch in one area!–False Flags to create war, starting with the Maine (but probably preceded by false flags we don’t know about yet)…
Any investigation into those places, as well as into this Bucha thing would all suffer from the same problem. Namely, quo’s custodiet ipsos custodes?
Unlike some, I don’t trust Putin. I also don’t trust Ukraine. But the group I KNOW will tell absolutely ANY lie to achieve objectives includes the U.S. govt, intelligence, military, and U.S. media.
Fact.
ACTUAL REPORT FROM MARIUPOL
You know it’s really sad what they are doing to the civilians. This is what our government would do to us.
This is what our government is going to do to us.
Armstrong reviews.
FALSE FLAG! Remember the Kuwaiti babies that were supposedly bayoneted by Iraqi soldiers? Turned out to be fake. This is just fake war propaganda.
Exactly! You need to draw them as evil gorillas and have them march around with the skewered babies on said bayonets like the Germans were depicted in the First World War. Anyone can just bayonet a baby but it takes a well-oiled evil army of gorilla-men to then march around in precision formation with baby corpses affixed to their rifles.
These guys need to get with the program and stop trying to reinvent the wheel.
Amen, brother!
Caption reads: …> “For God, Fatherland, and King”
I am actually a bit surprised by the number of normally sensible people who rejected the COVID gambit who have now fallen for the fake Ukrainian gambit.
These days I’m only surprised when someone communicates a coherent thought, does their job competently, or shows up on time.
You know, if Junior is able to get up in the morning, tie his shoelaces and take a pee, I’m not proud. I’m amazed.
“A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth”
“If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.”
“If you tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth.”
“The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed.”
“The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”
– JOSEPH GOEBBELS
Goebbels didn’t say that. He was quoting someone else.
Like me, he still said it.
The busy man has no time for truth. The wise man dedicates his life to it.
-Maxime Lagacé
Quoting someone while explaining how something works is not saying it. The truth is not that hard to find if one wants to find it.
The misinformed tell the uninformed who become the illinformed who then tell more uninformed. Is it possible you are in that food chain somewhere?
Okay, you win.
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Here’s a Big Fuck you and him! Sorry to offend your fucking heroes!
So you got called for repeating misinfo and now your feewings are hurt. Welcome to real life where anything you say is open to challenge.
He’s not even my hero, truth is my hero and words matter.
Your right, Goebbels was to fucking stupid to say anything that profound.
Goebbels was a disciple of Edward Bernays. Could have been quoting Bernays.
I guess whither or not he originated the quote is not the point. Lies are the opiate to the masses “tickle my ears with the things I want to believe”. The media can and will propel a lie into the history books. As long as they work in lock step from one news source to the other, they can make the masses believe just about anything (COVID 19 anyone?). In the beginning of the Covid lie, every main stream media outlet was telling the same lie without question(A big lie) and willing to go to any length to imbed the lie in the publics mind or conscience. A government in control of the media and narrative is a very dangerous thing as we all can see at least those who have the individuality and boldness to question what they are told is to be without reason the absolute truth.
Quit while you’re behink.
Sorry Bruder, du musst einen Griff bekommen
I gave up on trying to inform people on that point. The jews never claim their own handiwork.
There is an unconfirmed rumor that there is an American general stuck at a steel plant in I think Gonzolo Lira said Mariupol. That is the 2nd time I have heard that rumor.
Anything else on this?
Just this but I don’t really think you can call it a confirmation.
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Things you won’t see on western whore teevee.
Mass surrender of 265 Ukies a couple days ago in Mariupal. So sad. Sad they get to live another day.
What this means according to blogger “Nightvision”. Mariupol is fucked!
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“In short, Ukrainian command and the western Intel services that control it, are getting desperate. The fall of Mariupol would mean the beginning of a long chain of events that will start a domino effect of collapse for the AFU (Armed Forces of Ukraine). The Ukrainian elite obviously knew that one of the last remaining contingents holding Mariupol together at the seams was ready to fall and they needed an event that would somehow disrupt the momentum Russia was soon to have from the upcoming fall of Mariupol. Because it is now clear the battle for Mariupol is nearing its end – the fall of the 501st special marine battalion today was like a giant edifice crumbling from the face of a barely standing building.
The powers that be know that once Mariupol falls, the Russian, Chechen, and DPR forces therein will be freed to immediately begin Phase 2 of the operation. And all indications from my analysis points to the fact that Phase 2 will be much more brutal and swift than what we’ve seen so far, for the following reasons:”
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rest of article here …
https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-5/
Grads Hammering Ukrainian Positions in Donbass
Vile Ukrainian Military Savagely Brutalizes Ukrainian Civilians
Blocked?
I have no intention to waste any valuable TIME researching and investigating the details of this FALSE FLAG that is the tail end Charlie in the parade of FF’s that have stampeded the herd for more generations then the stampeded herd have a clue about.
I don’t give a shit if parts of it are true…and at this late stage of my perception/life what I’m against is this bullshit demonic 2022 WAR…which is nothing more than the latest distraction by TLPTB (L=Luciferian) controlled demolition of the world economy into their 4th Industrial Revolution/DEMOLITION.
One old truism that comes to my mind is:
Watch out you may get the CHAOS you wish for.
There is many sides to CHAOS.
The Plans of Luciferians (and their FF’s) and mice…have often gone astray.
Bum rushing God is not a wise plan…from my perspective.
mark, I believe what you are saying is that you have Zero Fucks to give.
Excellent!
Plainfield,
Yea, that is part of it…but I also feel…Watch out ‘you’ (the ORCs & Flying Monkeys) may soon get the CHAOS you wish for.
Chaos is a double edged sword if there ever was one.
The Plans of Luciferians (and their FF’s) and mice (ORCs & Flying Monkeys)…often go astray.
Bum rushing God is not a wise plan…from my perspective that is what I think is going on.
I believe that is what they are doing…BUM RUSHING their prophetic NWO.
I realize we come at prophecy from different beliefs…but that is my heart at this time.
Edison
Whenever I see that phrase I think of this song. 3 minutes of a comedy break from all of the tragedy. Age restricted but don’t let that scare you since you already typed the word that makes it age restricted. I’ve No More F***s To Give!
Ukies taping Ukie women and children to trees and poles.
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Fucking monsters.