Guest Post by Margaret Anna Alice
It Happened! It Finally Happened! An Open-Minded Pro-Vaxxer Asked a Question! + Updates Galore, Including Twitter Locking My Account!
Something happened that I was beginning to think was as unlikely to occur as Bigfoot soaring in on a pegasus, sliding down a rainbow, and distributing the leprechauns’ gold stash to the 99 percent: a person who has been quadruple-jabbed and believes in the safety and efficacy of the injectable gene therapy product honestly asked me a question and engaged in a good-faith dialogue.
The question came up in the comment thread of Are You a Good German or a Badass German?, and I asked his permission to share our dialogue with you guys as I thought you could use a positive counterpoint to contentious encounters like this one.
He kindly granted permission but asked that I refer to him as ‘B,’ explaining, “I do live & work in wokeland (where even TALKING to the other side can get me ex-communicated).”
So, without further adieu, here is our congenial exchange.
B: Don’t know how I stumbled onto this Substack. I’m a somewhat “anti-woke” pro free speech Democrat. I think my fellow liberals are a bit nuts about masks. (Masks don’t help fight Covid very well). But I’m convinced that the imperfect vaccines are amazing and literally help save us from societal collapse. I’m over 50 and have taken all four shots as recommended. I didn’t vote for Trump & never will, but it’s great that he helped get the vaccines done so fast. I thin[k] everyone should take the vaccine and if more of us had we might actually be out of the pandemic. But maybe not. Covid is gonna Covid. But I trust the global medical consensus. Most of you don’t. Why?
I’m NOT ideological. Trans women aren’t women. Black lives have always mattered, and we didn’t need nightly protests about it. Free speech is the most sacred thing in our democracy. I think Elon owning Twitter would be a net good. I often listen to Joe Rogan.
Just letting you know who I am before you slam me. Just honestly tell me why you think the global medical consensus is wrong?
MAA: I’m not going to slam you, B—I am delighted to welcome you! And *thank* you for asking that question! That’s all those of us who have concerns about the safety and efficacy of the injection want—the opportunity to present the scientific evidence to someone who has an open mind and the courage to ask that question.
Indeed, my entire blog is devoted to answering that question, so I encourage you to explore the Archive. Since you are savvy to the ideological manipulations of the media, you may appreciate my first essay, which shows how propagandists sowed a climate of fear and division to inculcate people into a particular narrative that would justify the shift to more authoritarian governments worldwide.
Dr. Mike Yeadon, Pfizer’s former chief science officer/VP with 32 years’ worth of experience in commercial R&D, delineates the lies bolstering this narrative:
- The COVID Lies
- COVID LIES With Former Pfizer Vice President + Chief Scientific Officer Michael Yeadon
These articles address your question more directly:
- Letter to the California Legislature
- Letter to the Washington State Board of Health
- Letter to a Holocaust Denier
- Letter to an Agree-to-Disagree Relative
- Letter to a Tyrant
And when you say “the global medical consensus,” understand that you are seeing what is presented by the media as the consensus—the same media that received a billion dollars to push the vaccine; the same media that gets 70% of its advertising funding from pharmaceutical companies (75% of their total budgets in 2020).
Because they have been censored, deplatformed, and smeared, you are not seeing the million+ (also see this and this) ethical physicians, scientists, medical professionals, and independent thinkers around the globe who are questioning the narrative.
Instead, you are seeing the representatives who 1) are knowingly deceiving the public; 2) have fallen under the same mass hypnosis as the majority of the public; or 3) are consciously committing scientific fraud because their paymasters have pressured them to do so.
I know of no better example of this than the case of Dr. Tess Lawrie and Dr. Andrew Hill. In Profiles in Courage: Dr. Tess Lawrie, I share excerpts from a Zoom meeting in which Hill admits to intentionally altering his paper to obscure the fact that ivermectin can reduce COVID fatalities by 80%. He acknowledges this deception will kill at least 500,000 people in six weeks (it’s been over a year now, so that figure is much higher in reality, especially when combined with financially incentivized hospicide) and that he’s being pressured to do this by his sponsor, Unitaid (a Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation vehicle that gave $40 million to the university where Dr. Hill works).
Please watch this 19-minute video to see the evidence of this corruption:
The reason ivermectin had to be maligned is the pharmaceutical companies could not have gotten emergency use authorizations (EUAs) for the vaccines if safe, cheap, and effective alternative treatments were available. The EUAs shield them from liability for the millions of injuries and tens of thousands of deaths that have been reported since the rollout. While pharmaceutical companies make billions, those who are debilitated for life can no longer work and have no financial recourse. Many have committed suicide because the symptoms they are suffering are inescapable and excruciating.
Here are some of the stories of those whose lives have been irrevocably altered by the experimental injection:
- Who Will Help Us? (the full 3-hour video features a range of physicians, scientists, and other experts and is well worth the watch)
Here is a short music video capturing their silencing:
You referred to Operation Warp Speed. The reason Trump was able to help “get the vaccines done so fast” was because he skipped all of the long-term safety trials! Vaccines usually take at least a decade to develop and pass various trials, but those safety protocols simply got thrown out the door. Indeed, Pfizer’s vaccine is still in clinical trials, which won’t be completed until March 2023.
You and everyone who signed up for this experimental drug are the guinea pigs—and you were not given informed consent about this fact nor about the 1,223 deaths, 158,000 adverse events, and 1,291 side effects reported in Pfizer’s cumulative analysis of post-authorization adverse events reports through February 28, 2021, presented to the FDA, which tried to suppress this data for 75 years but was forced by a judge to release it at a rate of 55,000 pages per month.
You were also tricked into believing these products are “vaccines.” As Bayer’s Head of Pharma Stefan Oelrich notes, “If we had surveyed two years ago if people were willing to take gene or cell therapy and inject it into your body, we would have probably had a 95% refusal rate.”
Are you aware that the CDC has received 1,237,645 reports of adverse events, including 27,349 deaths (99 children so far), as of 4/15/22?
Here are the mortality charts showing them skyrocketing starting in 2021 when the injection was rolled out.
Out of those fatalities, 3,507 occurred almost immediately after injection; 2,797 within 1 day; and 1,344 within 2 days. Dr. Jessica Rose, Dr. Colleen Huber, and many others have demonstrated satisfaction of the Bradford Hill criteria, thus proving the massive spike in mortality and injuries that began occurring in 2021 is caused by the experimental injectable product.
Young, healthy people like athletes (here and here) and Millennials are dying at statistically astronomical rates.
Autopsies of those who died shortly after injection corroborate this conclusion. Embalmers are also finding never-before-seen wormlike strings in the cadavers of the injected.
Regulatory capture of agencies like the FDA and CDC means these agencies profit lucratively off vaccines, resulting in epic levels of corruption on behalf of BigPharma.
Steve Kirsch repeatedly asks questions none of these agencies are willing to answer:
- How the authorities can INSTANTLY stop the spread of “COVID misinformation”
- 100 Questions They Don’t Want to Answer
- 20 Questions They Don’t Want to Answer
You may have also noticed the constant goal-post–shifting to hide the fact that the injections not only do not prevent the spread and contraction of COVID, they actually have *negative* efficacy—in other words, they *increase* your chances of contracting COVID and other diseases due to the progressive destruction of your immune system with each successive injection.
I realize this is a lot to digest, especially if you take up the challenge to read my essays as well.
In short, the scientific evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates:
- The injectable gene therapy products are *unsafe* and *ineffective*.
- The media, governments, and regulatory agencies have colluded with BigPharma to suppress the scientific data and medical experts proving these facts.
- Many unnecessarily died of COVID due to the rejection of early treatment protocols and the administration of lethal protocols like remdesivir and ventilation.
- There was absolutely no need for a COVID “vaccine” or any of the tyrannical and harmful COVID measures because early treatment protocols combined with conventional health recommendations (e.g., healthy diet and lifestyle; zinc, vitamin D, and vitamin C supplementation; hand-washing; stay home when you’re sick) would have saved nearly all lives lost to COVID except those already likely to die of old age or other illnesses.
- The *only* entities that benefited from forcing an experimental product on the global population are the pharmaceutical companies profiting by the billions from recurring revenue; governments justifying totalitarian measures; billionaire megalomaniacs wishing to depopulate the planet; and the medical system reaping profits from larger numbers of sick and injured patients.
I would be happy to answer any additional questions you may have. Please don’t hesitate to ask, and, once again, thank you for having the curiosity and independence of mind *to* ask instead of automatically trusting pharmaceutical corporations, governments, and propagandists to have your best interests at heart instead of their own.
B: Thanks for all the info Margaret. I’ll dig in at some point, though I might skip things like the Ivermectin debate. I’ve been swimming in those rivers for a while. Don’t think you’ll change my mind. Again, not ideological, but smart heterodox people involved in that debate (Scott Alexander, Sam Harris, Monica Gandhi) have been more convincing to me than Brett Weinstein et al. But I’ll look at some of the other stuff. Thanks.
Serious question. You seem pretty vested in this topic. I’m genuinely curious. Despite all you’ve researched to date, do you think there’s a chance you’re wrong and the vaccines really were a net good despite the long term unknowns?
MAA: I appreciate your open-mindedness, B, and I applaud you for your willingness to examine the evidence that has been suppressed by the forces that benefit from propping up the “safe-and-effective” Big Lie.
Along those lines, I strongly recommend challenging the biases that have been implanted in you and those you cite as credible sources regarding ivermectin. The evidence of scientific fraud, corruption, and the orchestrated disinformation campaign on ivermectin is undeniably compelling.
It won’t take much time, I promise. Start with this video (I mistakenly said it was 10 minutes (now corrected) earlier, but it’s actually closer to 19—and worth every second, I promise you):
This website provides a live real-time meta-analysis of 82 significant studies (and counting) and features “random effects meta-analysis results for all studies, studies within each treatment stage, specific outcomes, peer-reviewed studies, Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs), and after exclusions.” It is a great place to start for getting a sense of the overwhelming scientific evidence of IVM’s efficacy.
In the following article, I document the smear campaign perpetrated in mainstream media sources like the Rolling Stone, New York Times, Washington Post, The Guardian, and the Associated Press. Retractions were quietly issued after the propaganda had already generated its intended effect of discrediting ivermectin:
In short, I see your Scott Alexander, Sam Harris, and Monica Gandhi and raise you a Dr. Tess Lawrie, Dr. Pierre Kory, Michael Capuzzo/RESCUE reporters, Phil Harper, Dr. Meryl Nass, Steve Kirsch, Dr. Robert Malone, Igor Chudov, and Mathew Crawford. That oughta be enough to get you started 🙂
Below is my response to your question, “Despite all you’ve researched to date, do you think there’s a chance you’re wrong and the vaccines really were a net good despite the long term unknowns?”
In early 2021, I intuitively sensed that “Operation Warp Speed” was simply marketing-speak for a recklessly rushed pseudo-solution that would generate billions of dollars’ worth of recurring revenue for pharmaceutical corporations while providing governments with the rationale to impose mandates and seize ever-escalating powers. I worried the lack of long-term safety trials (see, for example, these charts comparing the traditional stages of vaccine development vs. the warp-speed version) would result in a large number of adverse events.
The data was only preliminary at that time, however (at least what the public had access to; we now know Pfizer and the FDA knew about the colossal number of adverse events and deaths as early as February 28, 2021, according to their own cumulative analysis of post-authorization adverse events reports), so while I personally chose to remain cautious until I had sufficient data upon which to make an analysis, I did not have enough information to make a definitive claim regarding these experimental products.
I provided my mother and step-father with some of the earliest available data and articles suggesting potential problems but did not feel it was my place to make that decision for them. Unfortunately, they allowed their doctors to pressure them despite their misgivings as they are meek and not the types to challenge authority. This was a decision they would later come to regret as the data regarding the hazards and inefficacy of these injectables mounted, but at least they realized that in time to avoid the boosters.
The more time passed, however, the more evidence emerged of historically unparalleled numbers of fatalities and injuries (especially among the young, healthy, and athletic) that could be directly tied to the injection using the Bradford Hill Criteria for assessing causality; autopsies; and medical evaluations. This information, paired with the fact that the injectable products were not only failing to prevent the spread and contraction of the virus but were actually *increasing* people’s chances of getting it and ending up hospitalized, persuaded me beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt that these experimental products are neither safe nor effective, and I believe anyone who assesses the data with a neutral, logical, reasonable, and open mind will arrive at the same conclusion.
I also highly recommend The Real Anthony Fauci, which is bolstered by thousands of supporting references and had every line vetted for veracity. As an attorney, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. knew he had to make his arguments airtight to avoid lawsuits by pharmaceutical companies, and the fact that that hasn’t happened is further testament to the validity of his claims. I think you will find the book eye-opening, particularly in regards to the corruption of agencies by regulatory capture.
Thank you, again, for making an honest good-faith effort to examine the evidence and for your courageous willingness to reconsider your viewpoints in light of new information. You are a model for rationality and give me hope that others may be willing to reevaluate their beliefs based on robust scientific evidence.
P.S. These moving pictures of publicly available data tell a powerful story:
B: Thanks Margaret. A lot of links! You’ve clearly dug deep. Unfortunately while I do gather from our limited conversation that you seem to be making your points in good faith, unfortunately, since life is short, I have a personal rule of thumb that I don’t engage people who can’t simply say, “Of course, yes, I might be wrong.”
To be clear, you MIGHT in fact be right! But, like many on the other side, you seem convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt. So any back & forth would be me being open minded and you sending me more links. LOL. Which becomes a sermon, not a conversation.
I will check some of this stuff out when I can. I’m familiar with Kennedy & Dr. Malone already so I’ll skip them. (Their arguments haven’t convinced me I’m afraid.)
Either way I wish you well. Hope you stay safe. Maybe we’re all wrong! Chances our humanity gets wiped out eventually anyway. Hope you get some R&R to just enjoy life. It’s short for everyone.
Thanks for the back & forth. Peace.
MAA: You know what, B? You’re right. I do acknowledge I could be wrong. I have arrived at my conclusions based on an exhaustive review of the evidence, so I feel confident in those determinations and believe the evidence would stand up in a court of law, but I do understand it is not possible for me to know anything with 100% certainty, being a fallible human subject to cognitive biases and neurological trickery 🙂
As for topics where I haven’t performed this level of examination, I try to remain neutral until the preponderance of evidence leads to a particular conclusion, and I am open to revising my understanding if new information compels recalibration.
I am genuinely curious to hear about your journey, though, so I hope you’ll check back in and let me know your thoughts if you’re willing to share.
I’d love to publish this exchange with my readers if you’re okay with that. I think it would give them hope to see someone rational and open-minded willing to discuss these matters in good faith.
Meanwhile, I wish you well and thank you for your thoughtful dialogue. Peace ✌️
B: Fair answer. Didn’t mean to browbeat you into saying it. But I appreciate the directness. I’m here in your comments section so obviously I’m not trying to be anonymous, but I do live & work in wokeland (where even TALKING to the other side can get me ex-communicated), so if you mention our conversation in a full up post I don’t think you have to mention me by name or email. That would be appreciated.
Peace & good will to you too.
MAA: Haha, no worries, I’m nothing if not direct 🙂
*lol* Understood. I was planning to title it something like “Dialogue with a Curious [or Open-Minded] Injectee.” I usually just show the back-and-forthing like a transcript, so your first name would only appear in the transcript section (unless you want me to obscure it with ‘B’ or something like that) and would link to the original comment thread if people want to see it in context.
Thanks again for your brave willingness to talk to the other side, and happy movie-watching!
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He is willing to engage in reasonable dialogue and admit he might be wrong but seems to have his mind made up just as completely as any of us who have done enough review to realize the dangers of the jabs he has taken.
“Don’t confuse me with the facts–I’ve already made up my mind”.
“Those convinced against their will, are of the same opinion still. “
Too little…..too late…………….someone with critical thinking skills should have been asking those questions a year ago.
Two years ago. I followed the data on Automatic Earth from the start and quickly realized something was fishy. Few of my relatives did and all got the clot-shot.
I think if I were to recommend a video about ivermectin, it would be Dr John Campbell’s discussion of the new Pfizer drug PAXLOVID and how it’s mechanism of action is identical to ivermectin.
The Pfizer documents just released show that the actual results of the trials, not reported, was that 3% of the test group DIED….https://phmpt.org/pfizers-documents/?fbclid=IwAR1s4MBqAyoYm2ZRxCpbGGcY_WVzdzt3lW5OiVJWGifTO3cBHykcjBhHfLc
So this person, who LOVES the vaccines so much, gently challenges M.A.A. Then, upon receiving overwhelming evidence in response, and….after not perusing any of it…, accuses M.A A. of being close-minded.
Proving once again, reason can be an ineffective deprograming technique on those who have accepted deception on faith.
This person was traumatized by fear, than made to believe society was saved by those who benefited from, and administered, the fear and trauma.
And, as for those who suffered and died as a result of “financially incentivized hospicide” and coerced experimental gene therapy?
Well, they were just the fringe minority; road kill on the highway toward a global biosecurity state.
another booster could help
I always get a smile on my face when I see a MAA article.
Same with your articles. Get off your ass and write one!! Maybe something to do with Satan and the End Times.
OK, Stuck. Even though I know you are chiding me on my past topics… that’s as good of a subject as any. Therefore, I used your challenge as a prompt and typed out about 900 words tonight.
I’ve been trying do at least one article a month on the blog but, this month, it just seems like trying to write something just to write something – instead of actually having anything to say (that hasn’t been said already); and I’m not one to just dial it in like a job.
Plus, it seems I have no time lately – even for commenting. For example, from 6 AM to 10PM tomorrow every single minute will be committed to life’s busyness.
I will say, however, I was surprised where the keyboard led me this evening. Not sure where it’s going next, or if it will end up meeting my standard to post, but it probably will. Maybe by next week.
That’s FANTASTIC! Looking forward to it.
I do hope you’re saying that tongue-in-cheek …. just having fun.
No, I don’t always agree with you 100%. (I don’t think you’d want it any other way.) But, I LOVE your topics, and the quality effort you put into every article you write.
Well stated Doug. Have missed you recently.
No one, huh?
“…without further adieu…”
Hi MAA
Great article …LOVED all the links you provided.
B said —-“Don’t think you’ll change my mind. “
And there you have it. You, Kennedy, Malone … NO ONE …. now matter how much evidence is provided will change his mind. Waste of time to talk to people like that.
You have more patience than me by a country mile (and a more refined vocabulary). I would have told him to “fuck off” after that first paragraph!
Hugs …
Uh oh. Is the author a Burning Platformer?
I did not know that when I posted the above, re “adieu”.
!!!
Too late to edit the comment out of existence.
You have to understand that B has so much invested into his own suicide. Any facts that show him that he chose poorly will be dismissed bc to face the reality that he willingly got the jabs that are about to kill him would create such an intense cognizant dissonant moment he might suffer a mental breakdown. And that can’t be allowed at any cost.
The red pill is easily available to anyone who will swallow it.
Sadly the blue pill as well for FAR too many people.
Good article of facts with links !
One thing is to show that there was never an actual pandemic (less than 1% death rate, flu and pneumonia gone). If they can’t extrapolate from there then facts won’t work.
Exactly! 98+ survival rate for Covid unless you were >80 y.o. and co-morbidity.
exactly whom it was designed for. still collecting pensions from zombie Co.’s everything else gravy/guinea pigs.
A lot of people like “B” joined a cult. The propaganda and incessant brainwashing went on 24/7 and could not be avoided. No matter the subject, whether it be Covid or the Ukraine, it’s never easy to accept the realization that one’s spoon-fed world view is incorrect, and to be confronted with another view has to be terrifying.
And thus the critical thinkers were separated out from the chaff.
People need to learn to identify the killer arguments, when presented with a boat load of, sometimes contradicting, arguments.
The best killer argument against Covid “vaxxes” is:
Every previous vaccine had been tested, tediously monitored, and evaluated on a small group of volunteers over a time of 7+ YEARS, before being made available to the public. And there are good reasons for that approach.
If you want(ed) to declare “but we need(ed) to shorten the test phase, because of this EXTREMELY dangerous epidemic going on”, then -based on probably deliberately distorted data- you maybe could have made that ‘override’ argument in April/May 2020; but at the latest half a year later, in early autumn 2020, it became clear that folks were NOT dropping like flies all over the world, so you would have needed to retract such a declared ‘override’ argument.
(Plus even with that ‘override’ argument in place, how low are willing you to go? 1 year? 3 months? Maybe even without tediously monitoring those first test subjects??)
And that’s all before talking about Ivermectin etc.
What I noticed about B is that he/she does not seem to present or cite any counter evidence even when presented with mountains of clear evidence that B’s position is not tenable. B says that Robert Kennedy is not convincing even considering how well documented his book is with footnotes and attributions. To say that you are not convinced that Ivermectin works means that you are unfamiliar with the evidence. What is interesting that no matter how much clear and convincing evidence you present to these folks they just cannot come to accept it. It rocks their limited worldview.
Seems like a huge investment for very little chance of a return, but God bless you for trying.
The lady overwhelmed him with way too much information. This was the poorest persuasion I think I have seen to date, even if she was correct (and I believe she is). Pick the most important 3 things and persuade based on that. If I were on the other side (and I’m not), there’s a zero possibility I would research all the links she sent him. You cannot take two years of research and dump it on someone and expect them to absorb it in minutes. My suggestion to MAA would be for her to re-read this, pick the 3 best points and persuade the next person on those 3 points and use the rest of the links to back up those points but only when necessary.
Every word you wrote is spot on. Too much info dumped at one time is too much for most people to handle. I like your”3 best points” solution.
You can’t persuade stupid people. What kind of man worries about what the fuck people in “Wokeland ” think? Does he let them keep his balls stored for him when he’s not using them?
The amount of information and number of facts are absolutely immaterial to people like B. It doesn’t matter whether 3 points or 100 are presented. Nearly all the covidiots have based their erroneous opinions on the fear porn and lies peddled by the MSM. Paring down the info will make no difference to them, as they will not examine, or accept, any amount of even incontrovertible data. Brain washing is a real thing and the left understands both its methods and application very well. As a retired surgeon, who had a bad case from the delta variant and recovered quickly using ivermectin (and now have robust, lab confirmed immunity), I researched this scam exhaustively from the start, as the “information” from the “experts” and MSM did not pass the smell test. Honest analysis of the latest data, which big pharma and the current administration fought tooth and nail to censure, confirms that NO ONE should have taken the jab, not even those >80 with co-morbidities. The screeching Karens, who have vowed to wear their masks forever and take “boosters” without end, will never be convinced they are wrong. I applaud MAA for including the amount of evidence against the clot shot, as everyone could take the time to review it. No one stated they must be convinced in a few minutes. What truly scares me is the prospect of how much worse it will be when the next WEF depopulation bioweapon is released and the tyranny gets dialed up to 11. Avian flu pandemic, perhaps?
You’re wasting your time…… sadly