Rogue Cops: The Supreme Court Is Turning America Into a Constitution-Free Zone

Guest Post by John W. Whitehead

No one should get used to their rights. Predicting with certainty which ones, if any, will go, or when, is impossible.”—Mary R. Ziegler, legal historian

The Supreme Court has spoken: there will be no consequences for cops who brutalize the citizenry and no justice for the victims of police brutality.

Although the Court’s 2021-22 rulings on qualified immunity for police who engage in official misconduct were largely overshadowed by its politically polarizing rulings on abortion, gun ownership and religion, they were no less devastating.

The doctrine of qualified immunity was intended to insulate government officials from frivolous lawsuits, but the real purpose of qualified immunity is to ensure that government officials are not held accountable for official misconduct.

In Egbert v. Boule, the Court gave total immunity to Border Patrol agents who beat up a bed-and-breakfast owner, in the process carving out a massive exception to the Fourth Amendment for border police (and by extension, other federal police) who unconstitutionally use excessive force. As journalist Ian Millhiser concludes, “Egbert v. Boule is a severe blow to the proposition that law enforcement must obey the Constitution.”

In Cope v. Cogdill, the Court let stand a Fifth Circuit ruling that granted qualified immunity to jail officials who watched a suicidal inmate strangle himself without intervening or calling for help. Likewise, in Ramirez v. Guadarrama, the Court let stand a lower court ruling granting qualified immunity to police officers who fired their tasers at a suicidal man who had doused himself in gasoline, causing the man to burst into flames.

Both Cope and Ramirez move the goal posts for the kind of misconduct that merits qualified immunity, suggesting that even sheer incompetence is excusable when it involves a cop.

It’s a chilling reminder that in the American police state, ‘we the people’ are at the mercy of law enforcement officers who have almost absolute discretion to decide who is a threat, what constitutes resistance, and how harshly they can deal with the citizens they were appointed to ‘serve and protect.”

This is how unarmed Americans keep dying at the hands of militarized police.

Under the guise of qualified immunity, there have been no consequences for police who destroyed a private home by bombarding it with tear gas grenades during a SWAT team raid gone awry, or for the cop who mistakenly shot a 10-year-old boy after aiming for and missing the non-threatening family dog, or for the arresting officer who sicced a police dog on a suspect who had already surrendered.

Qualified immunity is how the police state stays in power.

Although the U.S. Supreme Court recognized in Harlow v. Fitzgerald (1982) that suing government officials for monetary damages is “the only realistic avenue” of holding them accountable for abusing their offices and violating the Constitution, it has ostensibly given the police and other government agents a green light to shoot first and ask questions later, as well as to probe, poke, pinch, taser, search, seize, strip and generally manhandle anyone they see fit in almost any circumstance, all with the general blessing of the courts.

Whether it’s police officers breaking through people’s front doors and shooting them dead in their homes or strip searching motorists on the side of the road, these instances of abuse are continually validated by a judicial system that kowtows to virtually every police demand, no matter how unjust, no matter how in opposition to the Constitution.

Make no mistake about it: this is what constitutes “law and order” in the American police state.

These are the hallmarks of a police state: where police officers, no longer mere servants of the people entrusted with keeping the peace, are part of an elite ruling class dependent on keeping the masses corralled, under control, and treated like suspects and enemies rather than citizens.

Unfortunately, we’ve been traveling this dangerous road for a long time now.

A review of critical court rulings over the past several decades, including rulings affirming qualified immunity protections for government agents by the U.S. Supreme Court, reveals a startling and steady trend towards pro-police state rulings by an institution concerned more with establishing order, protecting the ruling class, and insulating government agents from charges of wrongdoing than with upholding the rights enshrined in the Constitution.

Indeed, as Reuters reports, qualified immunity “has become a nearly failsafe tool to let police brutality go unpunished and deny victims their constitutional rights.” Worse, as Reuters concluded, “the Supreme Court has built qualified immunity into an often insurmountable police defense by intervening in cases mostly to favor the police.”

For instance, police can claim qualified immunity for warrantless searches. In Anderson v. Creighton, the Supreme Court ruled that FBI and state law enforcement agents were entitled to qualified immunity protections after they were sued for raiding a private home without a warrant and holding family members at gunpoint, all in a search for a suspected bank robber who was not in the house.

Police can claim qualified immunity for using excessive force against protesters. In Saucier v. Katz, the Court ruled in favor of federal law enforcement agents who forcefully tackled a protester as he attempted to unfurl a banner at Vice President Gore’s political rally. The Court reasoned that the officers acted reasonably given the urgency of protecting the vice president.

Police can claim qualified immunity for shooting a fleeing suspect in the back. In Brosseau v. Haugen, the Court dismissed a lawsuit against a police officer who shot Kenneth Haugen in the back as he entered his car in order to flee from police. The Court ruled that in light of existing case law, the cop’s conduct fell in the “hazy border between excessive and acceptable force” and so she did not violate clearly established law.

Police can claim qualified immunity for shooting a mentally impaired person. In City of San Francisco v. Sheehan, the Court ruled in favor of police who repeatedly shot Teresa Sheehan during the course of a mental health welfare check. The Court ruled that it was not unreasonable for police to pepper spray and shoot Sheehan multiple times after entering her room without a warrant and encountering her holding a knife.

Police officers can use lethal force in car chases without fear of lawsuits. In Plumhoff v. Rickard, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that police officers who used deadly force to terminate a car chase were immune from a lawsuit. The officers were accused of needlessly resorting to deadly force by shooting multiple times at a man and his passenger in a stopped car, killing both individuals.

Police can stop, arrest and search citizens without reasonable suspicion or probable cause. In a 5-3 ruling in Utah v. Strieff, the U.S. Supreme Court effectively gave police the go-ahead to embark on a fishing expedition of one’s person and property, rendering Americans completely vulnerable to the whims of any cop on the beat.

Police officers can stop cars based on “anonymous” tips or for “suspicious” behavior such as having a reclined car seat or driving too carefully. In a 5-4 ruling in Navarette v. California, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that police officers, under the guise of “reasonable suspicion,” can stop cars and question drivers based solely on anonymous tips, no matter how dubious, and whether or not they themselves witnessed any troubling behavior. Then in State v. Howard, the Kansas Supreme Court declared that motorists who recline their car seats are guilty of suspicious behavior and can be subject to warrantless searches by police. That ruling, coupled with other court rulings upholding warrantless searches and seizures by police renders one’s car a Constitution-free zone.

Americans have no protection against mandatory breathalyzer tests at a police checkpoint, although mandatory blood draws violate the Fourth Amendment (Birchfield v. North Dakota). Police can also conduct sobriety and “information-seeking” checkpoints (Illinois v. Lidster and Mich. Dep’t of State Police v. Sitz).

Police can forcibly take your DNA, whether or not you’ve been convicted of a crime. In Maryland v. King, a divided U.S. Supreme Court determined that a person arrested for a crime who is supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty must submit to forcible extraction of their DNA. Once again the Court sided with the guardians of the police state over the defenders of individual liberty in determining that DNA samples may be extracted from people arrested for “serious” offenses. The end result of the ruling paves the way for a nationwide dragnet of suspects targeted via DNA sampling.

Police can use the “fear for my life” rationale as an excuse for shooting unarmed individuals. Upon arriving on the scene of a nighttime traffic accident, an Alabama police officer shot a driver exiting his car, mistakenly believing the wallet in his hand to be a gun. A report by the Justice Department found that half of the unarmed people shot by one police department over a seven-year span were “shot because the officer saw something (like a cellphone) or some action (like a person pulling at the waist of their pants) and misidentified it as a threat.”

Police have free reign to use drug-sniffing dogs as “search warrants on leashes.” In Florida v. Harris, a unanimous U.S. Supreme Court determined that police officers may use highly unreliable drug-sniffing dogs to conduct warrantless searches of cars during routine traffic stops. The ruling turns man’s best friend into an extension of the police state, provided the use of a K-9 unit takes place within a reasonable amount of time (Rodriguez v. United States).

Not only are police largely protected by qualified immunity, but police dogs are also off the hook for wrongdoing. The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of a police officer who allowed a police dog to maul a homeless man innocent of any wrongdoing.

Police can subject Americans to strip searches, no matter the “offense.” A divided U.S. Supreme Court actually prioritized making life easier for overworked jail officials over the basic right of Americans to be free from debasing strip searches. In its 5-4 ruling in Florence v. Burlington, the Court declared that any person who is arrested and processed at a jail house, regardless of the severity of his or her offense (i.e., they can be guilty of nothing more than a minor traffic offense), can be subjected to a strip search by police or jail officials, which involves exposing the genitals and the buttocks. This “license to probe” is now being extended to roadside stops, as police officers throughout the country have begun performing roadside strip searches—some involving anal and vaginal probes—without any evidence of wrongdoing and without a warrant.

Police can break into homes without a warrant, even if it’s the wrong home. In an 8-1 ruling in Kentucky v. King, the U.S. Supreme Court placed their trust in the discretion of police officers, rather than in the dictates of the Constitution, when they gave police greater leeway to break into homes or apartments without a warrant. Despite the fact that the police in question ended up pursuing the wrong suspect, invaded the wrong apartment and violated just about every tenet that stands between us and a police state, the Court sanctioned the warrantless raid, leaving Americans with little real protection in the face of all manner of abuses by police.

Police can use knock-and-talk tactics as a means of sidestepping the Fourth Amendment. Aggressive “knock and talk” practices have become thinly veiled, warrantless exercises by which citizens are coerced and intimidated into “talking” with heavily armed police who “knock” on their doors in the middle of the night. Andrew Scott didn’t even get a chance to say no to such a heavy-handed request before he was gunned down by police who pounded aggressively on the wrong door at 1:30 a.m., failed to identify themselves as police, and then repeatedly shot and killed the man when he answered the door while holding a gun in self-defense.

Police can carry out no-knock raids if they believe announcing themselves would be dangerous. Police can perform a “no-knock” raid as long as they have a reasonable suspicion that knocking and announcing their presence, under the particular circumstances, would be dangerous or futile or give occupants a chance to destroy evidence of a crime (Richards v. Wisconsin). Legal ownership of a firearm is also enough to justify a no-knock raid by police (Quinn v. Texas). For instance, a Texas man had his home subject to a no-knock, SWAT-team style forceful entry and raid based solely on the suspicion that there were legally-owned firearms in his household. The homeowner was actually shot by police through his closed bedroom door.

Police can recklessly open fire on anyone that might be “armed.” Philando Castile was shot and killed during a routine traffic stop allegedly over a broken taillight merely for telling police he had a conceal-and-carry permit. That’s all it took for police to shoot Castile four times in the presence of his girlfriend and her 4-year-old daughter. A unanimous Supreme Court declared in County of Los Angeles vs. Mendez that police should not be held liable for recklessly firing 15 times into a shack where a homeless couple had been sleeping because the grabbed his BB gun in defense, fearing they were being attacked.

Police can destroy a home during a SWAT raid, even if the owner gives their consent to enter and search it. In West v. Winfield, the Supreme Court provided cover to police after they smashed the windows of Shaniz West’s home, punched holes in her walls and ceilings, and bombed the house with so much tear gas that it was uninhabitable for two months. All of this despite the fact that the suspect they were pursuing was not in the house and West, the homeowner, agreed to allow police to search the home to confirm that.

Police can suffocate someone, deliberately or inadvertently, in the process of subduing them. “I can’t breathe” has become a rallying cry following the deaths of Eric Garner and George Floyd, both of whom died after being placed in a chokehold by police. Dozens more have died in similar circumstances at the hands of police who have faced little repercussions for these deaths.

Clearly, as I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People and in its fictional counterpart The Erik Blair Diaries, the system is rigged.

Because the system is rigged, because the government is corrupt, and because the U.S. Supreme Court has consistently chosen to protect the police at the expense of the people, we are dealing with a nationwide epidemic of court-sanctioned police violence carried out with impunity against individuals posing little or no real threat.

This is how “we the people” keep losing.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
July 6, 2022 8:39 am

Police = evil

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 12:20 pm

Before you blame the police for everything, you need to check your local voting record, because police are just doing what the local officials you voted for are telling them to do.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 12:25 pm

The “I was just following orders” excuse does not fly. If the local officials are ordering the police to violate your rights and the law, the police are equally guilty for carrying out those orders.

Wrong is wrong, even if you are ordered to do it. There is no excuse. Rationalizations maybe, but no excuse.

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 12:37 pm

But you are not going to fix the problem by doing combat with the police. You will only fix the problem by getting rid of the people who give orders to the police and replacing them with people who respect the constitution.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 12:53 pm

That’s where you’re wrong.

Learn how many successful dictators came to power (Hitler and Stalin both just to give an example), they literally do it through the police or a para-military force, it goes to show that it all boils down to the cops at the end of the day because they are the ones who enforce the law. If cops were good people we wouldn’t be in this situation, because they would refuse to enforce evil like any decent human being, they are human garbage however and happy to abet evil.

You cannot replace the current politicians because the cops are protecting them, your logic is really stupid. You think you can ignore the cops and somehow attack their masters, how does that make any sense? Nothing stopping cops from respecting the constitution and good citizens, except that they are evil.

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 12:58 pm

Adolph Hitler had the vast political support of the people in Germany and that is how he came to power. The police just carried out the will of their popular dictator. Get rid of the bad politicians and the police problem goes away.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 1:41 pm

Get rid of the bad politicians and the police problem goes away.

Probably true.
BUT. Can you cite any instances where what you suggest has actually happened?

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 2:06 pm

It takes commitment and a consistent, concerted action on the part of devoted people working together, but I have seen it in Arkansas completely turned around from Leftist Democrat to overwhelmingly Republican in this manner. I know some in local law enforcement and they seem to be rather reasonable to deal with. We did let the local council drift a bunch of homosexuals and women back in there at Fayetteville and they locked the city down like communist China during the Covid lie. But I have seen it work and it’s a whole lot better than going to combat with police who don’t really understand why they are getting ridiculous orders and even worse policy guidance form the judges, the council’s and other officials.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 2:09 pm

So just your belief, no hard facts? No reference to actual?

eckbach
eckbach
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 11:37 pm

No…his observations of events, if you would care to read it,

Anonymous
Anonymous
  eckbach
July 7, 2022 5:46 am

So, seems you confirm, just as I stated. Just belief (subjective observation), no reference to actual. Actual, as in something that shows what he said in any way resembles reality.

Rumplestiltskin
Rumplestiltskin
  Jay
July 7, 2022 8:28 am

You act like some type of sniveling rat who would rather be complacent than stand up like a man and call a spade a spade. The only thing that has ever challenged authority is bullets and brutality, because most people including cops would rather die than give up their power over others.

Cops are the State’s Praetorian guard, and it is they who must be addressed. After they are subdued then and only then you can go find their bosses and hang them as was Benito Mussolini, that is you can find them, because those bosses will have already left their positions because they know what may be coming. THE BOSSES ARE THE COWARDS WHO EMPLOY NOT SO HIGH IQ COPS, WHO ALSO WILL NOT QUESTION THEIR ORDERS.

Octo
Octo
  Anonymous
July 7, 2022 11:48 am

You didn’t mention the Bushes, Clinton’s and Obama’s, just to name a few.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 1:17 pm

Vote harder!

Facepalm.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 7, 2022 5:52 am

But you are not going to fix the problem by doing combat with the police.

WTF is wrong with you?

Exactly where, in the comment you responded to, is there even the suggestion of “doing combat with the police”.

FFS. Do you even grasp the stupidity of your response? Are you intentionally being a fuckwit? Please tell me this is an act and you are not really this oblivious to your own stupidity.

laura ann
laura ann
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 7:07 pm

Someone said police have families to spt, some pay child spt. or helping parents. They have to play the role of cowards because of taking orders from their boss.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
  Jay
July 6, 2022 1:13 pm

I called for service for a porch pirate last Xmas.
The last thing that cop was interested in was catching a drug addict thief and locking him up.
They smell bad, have no money and family gave up so no money there.
Squeezing us for property tax is all the rage now.

laura ann
laura ann
  Jay
July 6, 2022 7:05 pm

It is mayors that tell police commissioners to order a “stand down” when cities are looted and burned. The mayors are giving orders.

GunnyHiWay
GunnyHiWay
  Jay
July 7, 2022 12:38 pm

Suck cop dick much?

B.S. in V.C.
B.S. in V.C.
July 6, 2022 9:07 am

Cops have guns to protect themselves, not you.

Steve
Steve
July 6, 2022 9:39 am

Oh-ohhhhhhhhhhhh. Now we will see people getting their own justice, because they will be forced to do it themselves.

laura ann
laura ann
  Steve
July 7, 2022 11:45 am

We will have to protect ourselves when law and order breaks down and police are hiding w/ family.

Steve
Steve
July 6, 2022 9:43 am

Some are fallen angel infested robots that just look like cops. Beware.
They are driving the SUV’s and cars used by the police dept to catch you.
I said ‘some’. Not all. I saw one. Look closely at their mannerisms. I don’t want to give any more clues (they might fix them).
The one I saw was in the drivers’ seat. His side kick (the real cop) was in the passenger seat.

Steve
Steve
July 6, 2022 9:46 am

Was the suspect told to ‘freeze’? If so, then the suspect could be shot. Yes?

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
July 6, 2022 9:50 am

“So…it’s Treason, then.” -Emperor Palpatine

Putin it where it counts
Putin it where it counts
July 6, 2022 9:56 am

Lib left 🤝 auth right
ACAB

Capt Barty
Capt Barty
July 6, 2022 10:25 am

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

– Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago.”

laura ann
laura ann
  Capt Barty
July 6, 2022 7:14 pm

Cowardice of the oppressed Russian people, too wussified to stand up. They lacked crticial thinking skills, instead thought and acted like slaves. As for Hitler SS ordering certain people onto trains, they thought they were escaping to safety from allied bombing raids, since buildings were burning and air raids going 24/7. But some later resisted and escaped. Those that knew they were oppressed could have migrated to another country.

GunnyHiWay
GunnyHiWay
  laura ann
July 7, 2022 12:45 pm

OMFG. That is the DUMBEST, most IGGNORANT comment I have ever read.
There were no “bombs dropping on Germany” until 1943.
The Jews were LONG DEAD BY THEN. Starting as early as 1933.
My grandmother escaped Lviv, Poland in 1936 with my mother in her belly and her family that was left behind was entirely dead by 1938.
GFY dumbshit.
This RAG has the most ignorant readers on the internet.

Mike
Mike
July 6, 2022 10:34 am
Slem
Slem
July 6, 2022 10:35 am

Some truth, some hyperbole. It’s a shame no one will print the truth…..

Walt
Walt
July 6, 2022 10:46 am

There are two types of people in this world.
Us. And Them.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
July 6, 2022 11:00 am

Take note of police cars … it’s been years since I’ve seen one with the old motto of ‘To Protect and To Serve’ on it … 

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 6, 2022 11:31 am

Should a profession that has a high rate of depression , high rate of alcoholism , high rate of domestic abuse & divorce and a high rate of suicide be allowed to carry firearms 24/7/365 in our society and be given qualified immunity when they abuse what power they are entrusted to the public not to misuse or abuse ?
NEVER TRUST LAW ENFORCEMENT !
When one cop covers for a bad cop now there is 2 bad cops !
Before you know it you have a gang with guns & badges covering for each other !
That has unfortunately what law enforcement has morphed into at all levels in America and qualified immunity is the problem for the prosecutors too !
When a LEO or Prosecutor violate a citizens rights and it is proven qualified immunity should be the first thing gone !
As for compensatory damages paid out , if it came out of the public retirement funds the responsibility and accountability with honor and integrity would increase over night showing that they are to protect & serve as employees of the citizenry

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 4:40 pm

I have known quite a few cops wives who are terrified of their husbands.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  TN Patriot
July 6, 2022 4:43 pm

Not surprising. Every cop I have ever met is a control freak with a bad and “better than everyone else” attitude. The job attracts the type.

Jay
Jay
July 6, 2022 12:07 pm

Police typically just do what they are told to do. If they are abusive, then it is those giving them orders that are to blame. They are the ones that need to be removed. Judges and city councils that are loaded with political correctness, women and homosexuals can and do make all kinds of unreasonable demands on the citizens. We saw this first hand across the nation with mask mandates and police enforcement of lockdowns during the wave of the big Covid lie. But keep in mind that those politically correct women and homosexuals are mere representative of the carelessness of the local population.

DJ
DJ
  Jay
July 6, 2022 12:25 pm

Everyone has freedom of will, and every person need to take responsibility for their own actions or words that may come out of their own mouths. Making excuses for our own actions is very pathetic, and immature. Anyone who tells you to commit a crime or an immoral act, you have a right to refuse if you yourself are a good and moral person.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 12:34 pm

Police typically just do what they are told to do. If they are abusive, then it is those giving them orders that are to blame.

No it is not. The blame falls on all. Those who give the orders and those who follow them are equally guilty. “I was just following orders” is no excuse. If it was, all low level mobsters would be innocent as they were, “jut following orders” too.

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 12:47 pm

Well, I’m sure that you have convinced yourself that it’s easier to do combat with police than it is to replace the people who give them their orders. But if you start that, all you are doing is giving the police a reason to use more force while turning public opinion against yourself and in favor of the very people who are violating the constitution. You have to remember that most people these days don’t think very deep and most of them have no problem with allowing women and homosexuals to rule over every aspect of their lives. Until you fix that, you don’t stand a chance.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 1:07 pm

Well, I’m sure that you have convinced yourself that it’s easier to do combat with police than it is to replace the people who give them their orders.

Sure huh?

Surely wrong. I have not convinced myself of anything. I have studied history enough to know that unless I am mistaken regarding your intent, your method is doomed to failure.

It is not easier, it is necessary as the police are the enforcers who protect the pols you want addressed. You will not get rid of the pols until you neutralize their enforcers and praetorian guard. If you think otherwise, please explain how.

They are the ones that need to be removed.
What do you want to do to , VOTE HARDERER? Some other method? Please explain.

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 1:29 pm

You can vote if you want to, but we already know that the vote has been subverted. 2000 mules documented every detail imaginable about vote fraud and stolen elections.
Sometimes you have to think outside the box of options that society gives you. If that requires a 24/7 campaign of exposing bad political operatives for what they are, even radio and TV ads, so be it. If that requires legal action and petition drives, great. The point is that the possibilities are unlimited. Voting is not the only way to get rid of bad politicians although it did work once upon a time. Churches have mostly been silenced because they quit fighting in the political arena in order to tiptoe through the tithers years ago. You have to be passionate about it too. That may cost you alliances that you thought were friends or business associates. Get creative about it.
Prayer and repentance of the nation is the best and fastest way to get rid of the political corruption problem. That’s why all the women, drug dealers, liquor stores and homosexuals wanted to label Churches as non-essential during the fake pandemic.
Shooting at the police is not the answer to this problem. Hopefully it won’t come to that. A few Jews in the Warsaw ghetto with machine guns might have slowed down the SS police for a short while, but it would just invite regular Nazi troops to replace them. If our nation doesn’t get right with God, Americans will face the same or worse.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 1:39 pm

I am guessing you don’t understand the meaning behind “Vote Harderer”.

Prayer and repentance of the nation is the best and fastest way to get rid of the political corruption problem.

LOL. Right. Sure.

You may have noticed that your (or any) God does not seem to give a damn. Do show me where “Prayer and repentance” have done as you suggest. How many politicians have been replaced or removed by “Prayer and repentance”? (and please, don’t try to fob off some Bible fiction as proof).

As far as I can tell, zero.

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 1:46 pm

Let’s turn your challenge around.
You Show me a place where there has been prayer and repentance.
You sure haven’t done it. In fact, you just mocked God.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 1:52 pm

Let’s turn your challenge around.

No. Your dodge is not going to work. You claim “Prayer and repentance of the nation is the best and fastest way to get rid of the political corruption problem.”

You made the assertion. Where is your proof? Or were you just spouting unsupported hopeful bullshit?

So, you first.

You sure haven’t done it. In fact, you just mocked God.

I made no claim, you did. I did not mock God, I made an observation.

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 2:11 pm

No, you didn’t make an observation, because you didn’t show me a place where true prayer and repentance have taken place. Your asking me to prove a negative. And You wouldn’t recognize the real thing even if you saw it.
And yes, you did mock God and you called Gods Holy Word a lie, because God has promised in His Word to heal nations that repent.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 2:19 pm

Interesting, you completely ignore the inconvenient,

You claim “Prayer and repentance of the nation is the best and fastest way to get rid of the political corruption problem.”

YOU made the claim. YOU back it up. You seem desperate to distract from the original point. I wonder why that could be…..

Your continued dodging is good evidence that your assertion was utter bullshit. It is obvious you have no honour when it comes to debate.

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 2:38 pm

The Communists enemies of America would like nothing better than for you to go out and shoot at the police. That’s what BLM and Antifa did.

I’m telling you to wait until those communist foreign soldiers arrive, regardless of uniform and start robbing and raping their way through the neighborhoods. And even then, don’t try to do it by yourself.

Don’t shoot at our local police. Even if they have corrupt politicians telling them to do bad things. You will lose. And you will be very sorry you did it.

If you want to get the corruption under control, expose and replace corrupt politicians for what they are. Publish a voters guide. Run political ads. Talk it up. Write your Congressman. Write letters to the editor. Be creative. Get rid of the source of the problem and things will be better for everyone.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 2:54 pm

“Prayer and repentance of the nation is the best and fastest way to get rid of the political corruption problem.”

And yet again you dodge.

So AGAIN,

YOU made the claim. YOU back it up. You seem desperate to distract from the original point. I wonder why that could be…..

Your continued dodging is good evidence that your assertion was utter bullshit. It is obvious you have no honour when it comes to debate.

None at all obviously.

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 3:06 pm

Ok. Have it your way. Don’t repent before God. Don’t attempt to get rid of corrupt politicians. Don’t bother to pray and ask God for His help. And I’ll be watching the news channels to see how your conflict with the police turns out.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 3:10 pm

You pathetic pussy.

You could just back up your statement, but no, you decide to make more idiotic assumptions about me, then bravely run away.

Is this how you would handle the politicians you want to remove?

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 3:33 pm

I’m watching the news real close. You let me know how that gunfight with the police turns out.
On the other hand, I really don’t have time to visit you in prison, because you have already told me that you don’t think that God gives a you know what about anything. You’re on your own buddy.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 3:44 pm

You let me know how that gunfight with the police turns out.

Ah, I see the problem, you are a presumptuous idiot as well as a coward who will not back up his bullshit statements. At no point in this thread or anywhere else on the internet have I said “gunfight with the police” was a good idea or intent. But fuckwits such as yourself don’t bother themselves with facts or reality and apparently just invent whatever BS they think will get them out of the deep fucking hole they have dug for themselves.

Keep digging dumbass.

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 4:07 pm

Oh, well then maybe I misunderstood your point. If you are not telling us to arm up and fight the police, then
What exactly are you telling us to do?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 4:28 pm

“Prayer and repentance of the nation is the best and fastest way to get rid of the political corruption problem.”

You continue to dodge this. Explain how this is works.

What exactly are you telling us to do

Us? Noting.

You? To address your quote or GFY.

Jay
Jay
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 5:10 pm

The Bible says that Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. If you are not a child of God, then there is no way that you can understand them, regardless of how much I explain them to you. The fact is that God doesn’t miss on even one of His promises. When He says something, it is the truth, even when man doesn’t understand it. God created everything, including the devil himself. The good, the bad and the ugly, if you will. He gives man his next heartbeat and his next brainwave and he holds all of the atoms and molecules in the universe together every instant, throughout history and throughout eternity. That means that God even controls the thoughts and intents of those who hate Him, even as He gives them their next breath.

Knowing all of these things, we can be certain that His promises are true; but the only way to have Gods deliverance and favor is to be in obedience to Him. Otherwise we are left helpless before those who would do us harm. We find these truths only in Gods Holy Word, the Bible. He cared enough to give it to us so that we could understand the path of life and be saved from hell in eternity future. It’s simple child like faith in Gods Word that saves us, but that’s Ok, because even the most brilliant of scientists have not figured out where life comes from or how the universe came into existence. They don’t need to, because not only are they incapable of it, but they already have Gods Word to tell them.

God says we are all sinners, because we just don’t meet His standard of absolute perfection and the wages of that sin is eternal punishment in hell. But God sent His only Begotten Son Jesus to pay that penalty for our sin, if we only accept it by faith. Once we do that, then we become an adopted child of God and He begins to reveal to us how he controls the hearts of men and gives them understanding and wisdom. That’s when you will begin understanding prayer and repentance as the hope for our nation. It’s called forgiveness and that’s what God does for us when we trust the payment that Jesus made for our sin on the cross of Calvary nearly 2000 years ago, once and for all those who would believe.

A good example would be for me to say,” I forgive you for all the names you just called me.”

But I didn’t send my only Son to die for you like God did, and the offense is not nearly as serious as our offense against God as sinners.

I don’t know your name, but I forgive you and I wish you the best.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 5:17 pm

Blah, blah, blah…… you don’t understand because you don’t believe, blah, blah……..not addressing your ridiculous assertion,

“Prayer and repentance of the nation is the best and fastest way to get rid of the political corruption problem.”

So take your religious sanctimony and cowardly avoidance of answering for your above stupidity and bullshit and GFY…….

Shove your forgiveness and fuck you for the back-handedness of it. I most certainly do not wish you the best. You are the type of dishonorable and delusional fuckwit that had created the situation we all suffer with today.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 5:07 pm

Your asking me to prove a negative.

Holy shit! What negative is that? Specifically.

Do you even understand the concept? Prove it.

Jdog
Jdog
  Jay
July 6, 2022 3:39 pm

The problem is not the voting process, although I do admit it is deeply flawed. The root problem is the ignorance of the vast majority of the American public. No overwhelming election can be stolen.
The average American is basically unqualified to vote, because they do not know enough to make a logical decision. They simply allow the talking heads on their TV make up their minds for them with propaganda.
Stupid people generally get what they deserve, and we have become the stupid people.

Jay
Jay
  Jdog
July 6, 2022 3:50 pm

Boy you got that right. America has been dumbed down intentionally.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Jay
July 6, 2022 4:54 pm

Having a verbal spouse with an anonymous poster is pretty dumb. Just saying.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Llpoh
July 6, 2022 5:59 pm

Agreed, mostly.

Spouse? 🙂 Calling Dr. Freud

+ But we are all anonymous.

Jdog
Jdog
  Jay
July 6, 2022 3:32 pm

I am calling BS on this. The fact that cannot be denied is that the vast majority of LE are ex military.
Not just any military but the ones who join the military for the thrill of violence. They are generally people with psychopathic tendencies who seek out and derive great pleasure from violent confrontations. They get as high from violent encounters as any drug addict from chemicals.

Jay
Jay
  Jdog
July 6, 2022 3:56 pm

But if you put a good man in charge of any law enforcement agency, he can quickly remove all but the very best officers and make them the most polite men you have ever seen.
The guys that are in it for the thrill of watching someone squirm can be squelched very quickly if you put Godly men in charge of the department. But you have to have voters who are wise enough and Godly enough to elect such leaders.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jay
July 6, 2022 4:46 pm

But if you put a good man in charge of any law enforcement agency, he can quickly remove all but the very best officers and make them the most polite men you have ever seen.

Any examples?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
July 6, 2022 5:56 pm

So that would be a no?

Mark
Mark
  Jay
July 6, 2022 7:16 pm

Jay, you have handled yourself like a true Christian and you’re wasting your time with anonymous because his words are seething with hate for God. Just you mentioning God sent this person on frenzied personal attack for no reason!

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Mark
July 6, 2022 7:29 pm

Another presumptuous dumbass.

Not hatred for God, disgust at the dumbasses who arrogantly presume to speak for him.

But you and Jay seem cut from the same arrogantly righteous cloth, so I also am also probably wasting my time on you.

Jay
Jay
  Mark
July 6, 2022 10:32 pm

Hey thanks Mark. Much appreciated. You know, Pride blinds people to the truth. The Bible says that “the way of the wicked is hard.” You can tell them the truth all day long, but they just don’t want to hear it. “An evil man seeks only rebellion, therefore a cruel messenger shall be sent against him.” I don’t want that to happen to this anonymous guy, but that’s what he has chosen. Anger and pride take away a man’s ability to reason. You also have to remember that there are likely Communist agents posting here who would like nothing more than to get young hot heads to get violent and bring America down from within, like we saw Antifa and BLM do.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Jdog
July 6, 2022 4:44 pm

Recall the cop in CO who abused the mentally ill old woman and told his partner as they were viewing the tape “listen. Here comes the pop.” and he was talking about her shoulder popping out as her twisted her arm. There are some sick S.O.B.’s who are nothing more than AGW’s.

DJ
DJ
July 6, 2022 12:16 pm

Now the idiots that be want people to begin putting bounties on the cops that hurt innocent people.

YourAverageJoe
YourAverageJoe
July 6, 2022 1:07 pm

Find out where they live.
Keep a dossier.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 6, 2022 2:56 pm

Ha! Ha! Try voting at them!

Jdog
Jdog
July 6, 2022 3:26 pm

The government is evil by its very nature. Cops are the enforcement branch of the government. Most cops are in no way shape or form accountable to the people for their actions. ( Legally elected Sheriffs being the exception)
The answer is to abolish or de-fund all Federal law enforcement agencies, and City Police Departments, making all law enforcement the jurisdiction of Country Sheriffs. Ban police unions. Then to establish citizen manned Grad Jury’s to oversee all criminal accusations against LE and to abolish Qualified Immunity. Make all LE carry private malpractice insurance just like doctors.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Jdog
July 6, 2022 3:32 pm

Exactly!

And never-gonna-happen. Judge Dredd will be real (already is to a degree) long before and other reform.

Jay
Jay
  Jdog
July 6, 2022 3:58 pm

Again, you have to get rid of the crooked judges and politicians in order to have good law enforcement.

arizona
arizona
July 6, 2022 4:04 pm

LIKE THE 68 year old woman who was dragged out of her car by her hair in demonic OKLAHOMA,THE HIGHWAY PATROLMAN beat her and kicked her till she had MANY BROKEN BONES,even kicking her face till she was UNRECONGNIZABLE,and its not strange to see the POLICE GANGS in texas, RAPING AND SODOMIZING women on the side of the road these days,it happens in towns all over america,BUT THE MEN..hahaha,WHAT MEN?? the LORD called the men to stand up and protect their women and children from these devils,BUT ALL THE MEN HAVE THEIR TONGUE IN THE POLICE GANGS ASS,THEY LOVE THESE DEVILS,and they’ll love being in HELL with them..SUCKING OFF EVIL HAS A PRICE..and the men of america are willing to pay it.BECAUSE THEIR THE YELLOWEST COWARDS IN AMERICAN HISTORY..

Doc MartinAnonymous
Doc MartinAnonymous
July 6, 2022 5:10 pm

Most Americans are shrews awaiting for the splat before they are even aware that they jumped off the cliff. They lined up for the jab and will soon line up for the firing squad. We are about to see war, crime, famine and all that comes with mayhem & chaos. Prep, persevere but mostly pray.

VOWG
VOWG
July 7, 2022 5:27 am

Well, throughout history individuals have managed to find justice eventually.

Rumplestiltskin
Rumplestiltskin
July 7, 2022 8:17 am

Blah, bla blah, ba blah blah. Writing long articles will not solve our problem of the brutality of government, BULLETS WILL !!! We keep warning law enforcement that they had better soon make up their minds which side they plan on supporting. Will they support and protect the American people from the tyranny of Biden Administrative State, or will they continue to do the bidding of the tyrannical state brutalizing the people in a NAZI style purge of dissidents.

One choice will gain them the favor of the people, the wrong unwise decision to support the tyrannical state against the people may just be their last unwise decision, as we are already seeing them die in greater numbers. When cops allow themselves to be used like cannon fodder by a government gone rogue, they may realize too late that they had made a bad decision.

GunnyHiWay
GunnyHiWay
July 7, 2022 12:37 pm

All you “Back the Blue” fools make me sick.
COPS ARE THE ENEMY.
Cops are the psycho-bully army for a repressive government.
Cops, Judges and Politicians are PUBLIC ENEMY #1.
America would be a great place without ANY of those 3 groups of traitors, murderers and grifters.

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