10 shots in fifteen seconds, with 8 shots hitting the lunatic
Meet the 22 year old who did what 400 trained, armed & publicly funded police were too cowardly to do. pic.twitter.com/oWE8vphCWg
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CC the solution to mass shootings.
It is encouraging that we now accept as a default position that the ‘intelligence community’ is likely the instigator of such events. They deserve no-zero, benefit of the doubt.
I am beginning to doubt every single one of these narratives. Some are glaringly obvious phoney, some seem somewhat plausible. There seems to always be a villain and a hero. Normally law enforcement overwhelms most all perps yet in these narratives they seem like keystone cops. I wonder who writes the scripts?
Maybe the scripts are written by “Anonymous,” too.
At the time of the Kenosha incident — where the black perp deliberately ran down numerous pedestrians — it was brought out that there is a tiny group within the Dept. of Justice (put there by Trump’s predecessor) that moves in whenever there is an ‘incident’ in which the perp is black and the victims are White … and it takes over the entire narrative.
During that event, the local PD and such got in the early words — but, within hours, the entire ‘story’ was either hushed and/or changed by these suits to fit whatever narrative they wanted to spread … and the local folks had nothing to say about it.
“Meet the 22…” . Well, what’s his uh… name?
I’m sure his life is already being threatened enough for removing another loving altar boy from the gene pool.
He needs to spend more time at the range …… he missed TWICE!!
BIG difference, shooting at a target. Killing something.
Yes. Human targets are BIGGER than the puny pie plates they give you to shoot at an indoor range!!!
Practice makes perfect.
This kid is skilled and very cool. From the time the shooter started until this kid put 8 out of ten rounds in him, fired at a ranges between 40 and 50 yards was only 15 seconds.
There was just a story out of … Philly?… where I think 6 cops fired 80 rounds to get 8 hits. Five bystanders were also hit. The kid did pretty good for not having any “military or LE training”.
8/10 at 40 yards, 15 seconds from start, no collateral damage, and you’re complaining? Real time situation, two way range and he still got 8/10? That man has nerves of steel.
Hurray!!! Go team!!!!
That’s an 80% hit rate against a moving target with superior fire power, dude.
“22 Y.O.” needs hired as a trainer. By police. Everywhere. 80% on target. May never know the caliber and distance from…What will somehow become The VICTIM.
As I’ve read on some sites, one problem with LEOs is that the trigger pull is much higher than on ‘civilian’ pistols … by law in some jurisdictions.
Many pistols (10mm, .40 S&W, etc.) have trigger pull in the 4-5 pound range — LEO weapons in NYC, for example, must be at least 12 pound pull … which, apparently, results in many misses. The fact that these ‘cowboys’ pull the trigger until the mag is empty doesn’t help … like they told us in Marine weapons training — it’s not how many rounds you fire, but how many you put into your target.
How dare him carry a firearm in a public place like a mall!
I read he was 40 yards from the lunatic.
If that is the case, then he spends a lot of time at the range. He is also well disciplined.
I’m gonna say his pappy took him to the range when he was old enough…
We had range day once a week when the kids were young’ns. Taught them to not only shoot and handle guns properly but what to do if a gun shows up at a party or elsewhere. Kids were shooting golf balls we’d put on the sand bank at the end of the handgun range, 50 yards away. With a ruger 22. The 9mm’s would get hits often enough that targets larger than golf balls would easily have shots on.
This young feller is another hero, he did what he had to without hesitation. What real hero’s do.
50 yards hitting golf balls with 22 and 9mm handguns? That is rather impressive. I have taken my Ruger Mark IV out past 50 yards with good success, but it also is meant for target shooting. As for 9mm, not so much. Now with the Ruger 9mm carbine rifle, that is a different story.
We used to do a lot of shooting… making games at the range fun… The 50 yards came after about a year of moving targets further out and getting smaller. Started with frozen milk jugs at 15 – 20 yards then progressed down to the golf balls at 50.
When we’d go out to the back forty we’d see who can bring down a, roughly, 3 inch sapling with the least shots, with the SKS… We did a ton of ‘games’ meant to improve accuracy and nontraditional stance shooting and safety first…
Go online and see how the kids train today with their AR platform 5.56 rifles and their tricked-out combat handguns from Wilson Combat or Langdon Tactical.
Training is becoming a big deal in the gun community. Real world training, under stress, timed events, moving and shooting, clearing malfunctions on the run, shooting while moving, drill…drill…drill…
NOTHING like how we “practiced” and plinked when we were kids.
Before the scamdemic took off I ran a 22 Challenge at our local range.
This is exactly what we were doing but with 22’s. It was funny, but not, at just how many people can’t adjust to shooting thru a slot without shooting up the barrier. How many can’t shoot a gun with their nondominant hand, rifle or handgun. How many people can’t shoot standing off center or moving…. lol can hardly hit the 100 ft sand bank at the end of the range…
But if they sit at a bench with a gun rest and two minutes between shots, they’ll put lead on a tack.
Yes. My friend is a member at an outdoor club with lots of LEOs. He was practicing different scenerios:
laying, walking, running, etc and a LEO asked why a civilian would be doing that. My friend explained danger will never be static.
LEO had no interest in joining him.
The CC holder had a Glock, although I am unsure the model. Possibly a G19 or G43 if he was concealing it. Either way, I can say from A LOT of experience at my personal range that it is difficult to train with small concealable pistols. I can take my 1911s or magnum revolvers out all day and be on target. Those pistols have longer barrels offering better ballistics with better calibers, and are easier to stabilize. Carry pistols are generally 380, 9mm, or 40, which I find to not be the choice of target shooters (large bullets behind quick igniting powder).
I carry my S&W 40 shield and train with it often. I do have a 38/357 revolver for carry which I find to have superior ballistics to 40, but it isn’t comfortable to lug around all day and only holds 6 rounds. Beyond 20 yards the shield is difficult to really place a strategic shot with it. With that said, I have had luck placing torso shots on my silhouette targets, which I guess is all that matters. Practicing for head shots would be useless. Hollywood makes it look easy and lack of training may make a situation similar to the Indiana turn bad quick, especially if innocent people are caught in the cross fire.
Find a CC pistol that is comfortable for you
Train, train, train
Snubbies rule!
I have a Taurus 605, which has a longer barrel (3″) than the typical snub nose. I have considered a Colt King Cobra carry, which I have held and enjoyed the feel of. But it is quite pricey, and again, limited in capacity. Which I guess I could deal with if I was confident enough from training with it.
Most often its the first person with shots on target that counts. Generally the FIBS factor kicks in and the perp tries to bolt to safety.
Win., if you was Big Mike you could C&C that big ol’ Kang Cobra with an 8″ barrel, ya know?
Or just get a Python and not worry, lol
G19 is kinda the sweet spot size wise. It is called a compact but still shoots like a full size, I find it easy to shoot as well if not better than any of my 1911’s.
I found it bounced too much for my liking. Try the 357 sig sometime.
Yea, I have been playing with the idea of trying the .357 Sig. for quite awhile. I keep holding out for Glock to make one in 5.7×28.
Is that even possible, 10 shots in 15 seconds? Subtract 2-3 seconds to realize that there is a threat at all. Then, less than 1.5 seconds per shot, using an unknown type of concealed weapon. Is it common to do that even in a controlled range type environment? From holster to 10 shots in 15 seconds? Serious question.
There was a vid of a guy who stated he saw the kid standing at a piller, I think, with his gun pointed at the bathroom. The guy said to get out of there because a guy in the bathroom had a rifle. He left.
So I’m thinking the kid saw the shooter go into the bathroom and instinctively knew something was fishy. As for the quick shots, yes. The hero was already drawn and when the shooter started shooting he mag dumped on the guy. Eight shots on target… IS impressive considering the pressure, adrenalin etc… kids a hero.
High ready/already on target would make sense with what little is known.
Hopefully the video footage will get out.
I read that the shooter was in the bathroom an entire hour, came out, and started shooting immediately. I’ll bet you the 22yr old, went into a multi stall restroom, heard familiar gun connected sounds coming from a closed stall. He probably left quietly and found a spot on an upper level with a clear view of the bathroom doors to see if his suspicions had merit. I’m also guessing if he did see a mall cop, he wasn’t too impressed.
Svarga,
It is a good question. And at 40 yards 8 for 10? Suspect story imo.
I still don’t understand why people think that is difficult.
Of course not, Ken. You’re a Marine.
You were probably born with a belt of 7.26 for an umbilical cord!!!
(But seriously, I’m with you on your point.)
Without knowing anything about Mr. Dicken, what are the odds? Seriously? Not 1 in a thousand people could do that. You’d have to be a competitive shooter to do it. How many people out there are competitive shooters? Especially today with high ammo costs? And a 22 year old has the income to be a competitive shooter? Yes, possible but at what odds? Come on.
Most small-town competitive shooters that win matches are shooting 500 to 3000 rounds a month in practice, some many more.
I am not a competitive shooter but I took my nephews to the range about a month ago. Easily spent $400 just on ammo. Now, I do not know how often a SureShot has to practice to stay that accurate in that short amount of time so…
Calling BS that a small town person cannot be proficient with shots on target. Oh yes they can be and without being in competitive shooting.
To say not likely is to live in a small world. You doubt the kid can because you don’t know anything about him… you don’t know him, so you don’t know how much he shoots, if he has a knowledgeable coach, you know nothing but immediately assume the story is bogus because you don’t know anything about it… sounds much the same as the I don’t know anyone dying from covid so it must be false…
Where did I say it wasn’t true? I said I believe the story, as told, is suspect. Is it possible? Of course it is.
Pretty much insinuates the story isn’t true…
People who carry shoot plenty. Take 1000 active CC ‘s and I’m going to bet a LOT more than you know are very proficient on target. You don’t HAVE to be throwing expensive lead downrange.
There is the Mantis system and others like it. Keeps up muscle memory and accuracy skills. dry fire…
You can practice daily with 22 rounds. I have a 1911 Sig, 22 cal, thats the same size and weight as my old 1911 rock chucker. So I can retain all the skills and shoot all day for peanuts. PLENTY of ways to shoot, maintain skills and at a good range there are many proficient shooters that will teach for nothing.
Then theres this…
So it didn’t happen?
Your reply _ correct
I was being sarcastic to Admin because we had a slight disagreement on another article.
I do not think you read my entire comment. Especially the first sentence.
22 year old, 40 yards, 8 of 10 and in a high stress situation? I still say it is suspect. Who is gonna prove it true or false? Possibly true? Of course it is.
Odds… Like I said, odds are high not low. You say low, 1 of a 1000. OK… a thousand what?? Random people?? The out of a thousand random people you probably would be hard pressed to find anyone with a gun. Area dependent of course. But out of a thousand active CC shooters its gonna be high.
Take a thousand people randomly from commiefornia and you likely won’t find many with a gun. Go to Texas or Arizona and out of a thousand random you might find 2 -300 carrying. Of those carrying… odds are they know how to shoot.
As for the 22, 40 yards… easy. Missed two because the shooter was likely already on his way to the ground, dead, or tried to flee, FIBS factor and died two steps away…
The kid will prove it… when the time is right and the lawyers give him the go ahead.
This was my first sentence…
“Without knowing anything about Mr. Dicken, what are the odds?”
…but you interpreted that as me calling bullshit?
What can you tell me about Mr. Dicken?
The follower to that comment is the BS qualifier… not one in a thousand could do it. Like saying don’t really believe it but just in case better leave the door open by saying, ” Is it possible? Of course it is.”
What can I tell you about Mr Dicken.
Put shots on target, perp is dead. Problem met solution.
He’s a true hero, acted decisively like real men do. What more do you think needs to be said or demonstrated???
I agree, he is a hero. I want to know if he is a competitive shooter, what caliber he used, how long he has been shooting and more.
Would you or would you not agree that this scenario is difficult in that he got off 10 rounds in 15 seconds and hit 8 or 10 from 40 yards away without hitting anyone else? All under, what I certainly would call high stress, duress? Btw, from what I can find, most competitive pistol distances are 7 to 2o yards.
To be clear, I am pro 2A and would like many more young, and old, men conceal carrying. I too believe we could solve many of these shootings quickly.
Is this difficult. For a new shooter or for someone who shoots little then definitely its gonna be a tough sell. But for someone who shoots regular, no.
We have people at our ranges that can do this easily. I have a timer and practice timed events for myself and others when we shoot as a group. Timer stays in my range case, use it a lot.
My kids, when young were shooting golf balls at 50 yards with the 22 and 9mm. Hitting the ball nearly every shot with the 22 and about 1 out of every 4 – 5 shots with the 9mm browning. We weren’t mag dumping because they were to young. Today, they couldn’t do it because they don’t shoot anymore.
It matters not an iota whether he is a competitive shooter or not. The results speak for themselves. The stress likely isn’t felt much until afterwards as in the moment you act… later you think, shit what just happened…
“…What can you tell me about Mr. Dicken?…”
I can tell you from looking at his photograph:
He was raised in a traditionalist family and has traditionalist inclinations; he has a football quarterback look about him — what that tells me is he’s above average intelligence, cares about his appearance and his health, wears his hair in such a way that we may deduce he’s conservative minded and is comfortable with traditional roles in society and with his own role.
He is a mentally stable man. He’s not an ideological nut. He looks Plain Jane and as boring as they come. He probably has no military background because today’s military is a monstrous disaster as compared with what it once was and he knows it. Even so, he is pro-American in spirit. Despite carrying a firearm on private property with a prohibition against civilian CCP holders bearing arms within their facility, he is a law abiding man.
He also looks like he would be naturally inclined to firearms proficiency.
This is what I can tell you about him after seeing one photograph of him.
Even more can be judged if you consider his name.
And that’s plenty.
I should have said I wanted to know more about his shooting background. Yes, your observations are probably not too far off the mark.
So it didn’t happen?
Correct. 🙂
He did nothing extraordinary with his marksmanship.
What he did was within the arena of proficiency — not even expert level and certainly not master level.
For master level, see the work put in by a master in the Church at White Settlement, Texas. One shot in a crowded and hectic room — about fifty feet away from his target.
50 feet vs. 120 feet. 10 rounds without injuring anyone else. 40 yards under duress is not a gimme. Competitive shooting, far as I can tell, is 7 to 20 yards.
He didn’t do anything extraordinary? To who?
He didn’t do anything extraordinary, marksmanship wise.
If no one else was near the target — and who the fuck is lingering near a Mall Ninja with a 5.56 — then there were no concerns with bystanders.
The report said the perp emerged from the restrooms with his weapon at the ready. That means he probably wasn’t near any shops and the ‘good guy’ only had masonry walls for a background.
Again, skill wise, 10 shots fired and eight on a man-sized target in 15 seconds, at the distances we’re hearing about, does not make for a miraculous event. That’s actually some easy shooting for someone with a bit of training and practice. It’s actually unremarkable marksmanship. BUT… add in the chaos of panicking shoppers and unknowns about target position and movement, and it becomes commendable work, but again, there is nothing extraordinary about the shooting skills required to perform the job as we’re hearing it reported.
Expert level marksmen would have done the same job in fewer rounds in and less time, without missing.
I’m not trying to detract from a happy outcome here. All I’m saying is the skills Dicken exhibited are not superior. They are good, solid shooter skills and nothing more. There’s certainly no reason to doubt this story based on implausible skill level, which was your initial claim.
If he saw the guy come out and start firing and killed 3 people before he returned fire? How it all went down is in doubt. Just like Ulvade the story changes 10 times before we get an accurate report of how it went down. I predict the facts in this case are gonna change a few more times.
Glock – This from a comment on another site
He’s def not a novice shooter, nor in unfamiliar territory
First shot at distance but nothing about whether he was closing that distance. I think his grand pappy and pappy probably should be given credit to this young mans skills and fortitude…
I was just wondering if it is possible at all. Notice that I did not ask if it was unusual. I think at this point I just enjoy asking questions and being skeptical about everything.
It sounds like it is absolutely possible, depending on the details of the story. Based on that, whether it happened or not cannot be determined.
Absolutely doable
Of course it’s doable. What are the odds?
You over-compensate with your skepticism, Glock.
I merely asked a question. Maybe I underestimate the ability of some people to perform under duress.
Like running into a burning house and saving 4 children??
Question: is the story more or less plausible if he had a .45? A .45 much more difficult to manage. Although I assume very few CC a .45. so…
Its not the tool that makes it more or less plausible… Its the operator… Results speak for themselves…
And by the sounds of it he was carrying a 9mm.
Watch the Outdoor Channel tonight. Wednesdays they have all shooting shows. You’ll see what competition guys and gals can do. In formal Bullseye competition in the Rapid Fire string of fire you fire five rounds in ten seconds, one handed with a centerfire pistol. Back when I started out it was almost always a 1911 .45 acp. The best shooters would put them in the X ring and 10 ring at 25 yards. The 10 ring is about the size of a coffee cup saucer. In registered matches they would do slow fire at 50 yards and the top guys would nearly stack .45’s on the X ring in that stage.
Jerry Miculek – THIS is a pro shooter…
https://www.youtube.com/user/MiculekDotCom
His daughter is a badass shooter as well… wonder who trained her…
Yes, I know about him. He is incredible and is also paid to be a top competition competitor. How many rounds does he pop off per year? How long has he been doing it? I wish I could keep my 9mm that level during an 8 round burst.
What caliber did Mr. Dicken use? Would the story be more or less believable if he used a .22 or a .45 round?
Not sure why you think odds and believability factor in on this.
So you think its a false flag?? Seriously. Didn’t happen at all, made up with crisis actors?? To what end?? The odds are greater that you will meet a mass shooter in a mall or other ‘no firearms’ designated than you would at a gun store, or BBQ in Texas. Odds are greater that mass shooters are going to meet up with a CC man with the increasing mass shooting events.
As for keeping your 9mm level in a rapid fire you start with single shot proficiency. Then you go double tap until proficient and keep moving up… Stay with the same gun and soon enough you’ll be placing rounds on target with a mag dump. Its called practicing…
brian,
You gave a good comment on the shooter’s background above at 7:03. That is what I wanted to know. Without that information, we don’t know anything about his skill level. This is why I said what I said as the first sentence above. I tend to think you and others (RRD) have much more practice than most. My eyesight, I believe, would make it unpossible for me to do what he did. I still think very few can do it unless they have what most would consider significant practice.
How many rounds would you sat the average/beginner person would have to fire to become that proficient?
Carry on my friend.
Miculek is a world class master.
Just as good as Bob Munden was.
Maybe better.
That’s the top o.o1% of the best.
yep… his daughter is badass too…
Zip it, brian. I don’t want to think about getting out-shot by a GIRL!!!
ooiii… everybody has their sensitivities all dialed up today…
I don’t mind get’n beat by a girl… a purdy one. which excludes all regressive not sure what they ares…
Time to go make dinner… cya all…
Mrs. Miculek is also a champion shooter. Her Dad was the famous Jim Clark who built 1911 Bullseye guns and other cool stuff. Back in the 70’s and 80’s Clark Custom pistols were the Holy Grail for competitors.
What are you saying!?!?
Hand sanitizers not important??? covid dude, you can die from that… /s
What good is the government?
Top criminals love them.
His only mistake was that he didn’t exterminate the 400 pension whores while he was at it.
“Pension whores”, lol. That should be in their job description.
No permit needed. Indiana became a constitutional carry state.
When my crazy bipolar cunt of a girlfriend called the cops on me an unarmed sober male they sent ten pussys in vests and armed to the teeth to harass me . Fuck those posers.
You were lucky. If she said you were armed, there would have been 400 of them, and you would have made it to national news.