Inside the mind of one of my very smart pro-vax friends

Guest Post by Steve Kirsch

Here’s how they think. It’s 100% based on deference to authority. If you ask them for data to back up their claims, they stop responding.

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I recently talked to a friend of mine at a recent social event. We’ll call him Bob. He’s super smart about most things. But when it comes to the vaccine, he’s blind to the truth.

He was bragging about how he has been vaxxed 6 times with the COVID vax and he’s perfectly healthy. He can’t wait for SB 866 in California to pass so when his kids turn 12, they can decide to get the vaccine over their mother’s objections.

Bob thinks I’m a nut case, cherry picking data. He says I used to be respected, but after turning anti-vax, people have lost all respect for me. He said I have a religious belief about the vaccine and I’m not driven by data.

What he isn’t telling anyone is that he’s been losing his vision ever since he got his first COVID vaccine. He used to have 20/20 vision, but now he wears glasses and can’t drive at night. When I brought up the data showing the connection between the shots and vision loss, he changed the topic.

I showed him two papers showing the more you vaccinate, the sicker you get (see the two papers here). I asked, “Where are the papers that show the opposite?” He ignored my request.

He gets his belief system from the mainstream media. Full stop. He reasons that if I was correct, surely Bill Gates would agree with me and admit they goofed. It’s 100% deference to authority.

Bob will not look at the data himself and he doesn’t want to discuss it. He will not engage. He thinks that if I was right, there would be more than a handful of people speaking out. So he tallies the size of the support base on each side of an issue instead of looking at the data.

I hope this is useful in helping you understand the pro-vaxxers and how they think.

The important thing is you cannot turn these people around. Arguing with them is fruitless because they don’t want to see the data. They will only come around when the people they trust change their position.

This is why we need to focus on protecting doctors who speak out.

Perhaps a state ballot initiative in California providing that doctors cannot be retaliated against when they tell the truth (including having social media accounts taken down, having their license to practice medicine revoked, etc). That would prevent things like this from ever happening again.

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Dickie doo
Dickie doo

My favorite method of engagement is mocking them.
Not sure if it helps them see the light but it sure helps my mental state….

Anonymous
Anonymous

Hear, Here! A bait-ball. In a fishbowl, of sorts.

By our own ‘devices’, if not ‘Friends/Neighbors’.

Richard Bagg
Richard Bagg

I work with a guy that’s been triple vaccinated and told him that “If you stroke out at work…we’re raping you”… he’s scared shitless every time he gets a headache…

Anon y mous
Anon y mous

Why would you say that?

Willian Bonney
Willian Bonney

It’s a sick joke, it’s also deserved considering how vaxxers treated non vaxxers. Trust me, none of us want to touch ,let alone rape a vaxxer.

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist

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fujigm
fujigm

“If you stroke out at work…we’re raping you”

I’m so stealing that.

Rachel
Rachel

I like walking past the masked now days and just saying out loud. “You know if you take that mask off, you can actually smell the bullshit their feeding you now days.”

KJ
KJ

I prefer pointing at them and laughing, while saying out loud, “Look at that stupid asshole with the mask!”

Yahsure
Yahsure

living out west, I ask if they are going to rob a train or a stagecoach. or comment on how we were lucky to make it through years of flu seasons without a mask until recently. I say this very sarcastically.

B.S. in V.C.
B.S. in V.C.

Or when you go in a store and they still have plexiglass up, I always grab my chest and say, thank God they got plexiglass we’re all going to live!

Herc
Herc

A lot of people are way gone now..egos will never let them admit to themselves they were wrong or got played

laura ann
laura ann

Best to cull out ones w/ egos and those trusting everything gov. and corp news feeds them incl Trump who pushes vaccines at rallies.

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist

It’s hard to feel a shred of empathy much less respect
for someone that willfully blind and proudly stupid.
He WILL die from his choice, and I won’t be long.
And without question, he will not see it was his mindless
choice. that led to his death.

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist

“Unknown cause of death” is now the leading cause of death
for those under 60.

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka

If they had been honest, it would always have been. Most causes of death on death certificates are no more than best guesses. You need an autopsy to get even closer to the true cause, and even with an autopsy, it is often still a more educated guess based on the findings that you see and which are plausible in their timeline.

Ken31
Ken31

The propaganda machines of movies and television and media has been very successful of stoking egos to pathological levels. It takes a lot of deliberate effort to reverse that.

KJ
KJ

He should give Bob the information packet about creating a funeral trust and pre-paying for his funeral now. I did that for my pops in early 2019 when he was in the final lap (fortunately pre-“covid”) and it made things a whole lot easier when he left the plane in September of that year.

flash
flash

ha ha ha…very smart = pro-vaxx …what an all around shitshow.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid

Injected six times? !Dios mio!

Only in Bizarro World does “super smart” = fucking imbecile. SMH.

Anonymous
Anonymous

he sure doesn’t sound super smart

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist

He’s another student who passed the government IQ test.
I couldn’t be happier and healthier I failed it.

fujigm
fujigm

Some of us not only failed, but filled it out with bogus answers.

William bonney
William bonney

Amen.

Anonymous
Anonymous

“It’s 100% deference to authority.”

Question is: Will he learn chinese? Before. Or After. He learns some ‘Ancient Chinese Secret’.

Recipes, For dog cooking.

“It’s 100% deference to authority.” Almost. Here, as well.

All this talk of ‘revolution’? Ain’t gonna Happen. Out numbered. By Sheeple. NOT dying for them. WILL be Notable exceptions. To the ‘Rule’. Almost guaranteed.

https://truthout.org/articles/and-its-one-two-three-what-are-we-fighting-for/

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid

Legend.

Hans
Hans

“Bob” knows something is wrong. He won’t talk about it because he can’t. He suffers from cognitive dissonance.

m
m

Yep. “The majority is always right” – at a minimum when it is an overwhelming majority.
That thinking has led to countless great outcomes.

Daddy Joe
Daddy Joe

Humans are just two legged lemmings.

brian
brian

I have found these people to be emotionally attached to their vax. imo, they have invested heavily, emotionally, into the program and to be shown they were duped is to them emotional destruction.

So when you state facts to them that are easily verified, they will either give the deer in headlights or the equivalent of rubbing their ear and shouting la la la la la…. They don’t want to know. Engaging these people is like putting pearls before swines, they’ll trample them…

Anonymous
Anonymous

There are those who believe in the benevolence of “authorities”. Is it any wonder scams and con men can still work these days?

What do we “conspiracists” have?
The insurance industry’s report of increasing claims and benefit payouts. “Mysterious” deaths among a large diverse population that should exclude youngsters and athletes who should have no real underlying conditions, but suddenly die from circulatory problems, strokes, heart attacks, and a host of other ailments seen with immuno-deficiency disorders.
Nope, nothing to see here when The Almighty Buck is to be made, it would seem. The majority of the US population is on some sort of prescription medication and the doctors, from Fauci on down to the local pediatrician, are in on this huge scam racket of major “coincidences”.

I made an open comment one day, calling COVID a “scamdemic”.
A sheep piped up and commented, “Oh, I’ve never heard it called THAT before.”

Yeah, I’m Jack’s complete lack of fucking surprise. Some people are too stupid to realize “THEY” really exist, and “THEY” have no problem taking everything you own, what you’ve earned, what you work for, and even your life if it benefits “THEM” or some fucked up ideology or philosophy.

B B
B B

My wife’s brother and wife came by and visited yesterday for a few hours and I got to see that look. He’s in poor health going through cancer and continuously about being “scared to death of covid”. I talked to them about never having had or getting the shot. They’ve both had two and each got sicker after each injection. I told them that this is exactly what is supposed to happen. It kills off your immune system each time you take a shot. They both, even after getting sick, looked at me with that “deer in the headlights, look”. Nothing seemed to go in any deeper even after that. His wife, who is a nurse, didn’t act like she’d ever heard of ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. Crickets.

Freddy Uranus
Freddy Uranus

I’d be surprised if they’d still come visit again you after that heart warming pep talk.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Maybe “Bob” will face reality next April when stories of people having more cases of covid than jabs are being reported.

brian
brian

By next April?? Nope, he’ll be dead before then… SAD, Sudden Adult Death, the mystery killer…

laura ann
laura ann

This is a good reason to dump friends that put total trust in gov. doing everything they say incl their medical decisions pished on the public. These people that comply are functionally illliterate and cannot reason things out, do research, and make logical decisions. I have dumped a handful of these losers since the covid scam began. Some try to contact me via email, but I ignore them and don’t reply. Calls have been blocked. Shoppers (duds) are still masking in stores. Me and several friends have dropped out of church and go online or meet in small groups.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Fact these renamed mRNA experimental treatments forced upon Americans as safe and effective vaccines is nothing less than a diabolical plot of biowarfare population control !
The number of dead and sick and dying let alone the myriad of illnesses once thought to be in remission returning with a vengeance is not enough proof there is a serious problem !
I refused to be vaxxed and I live immune suppressed after a kidney transplant ! I requested all the safety information and research of side effects ! I did finally obtain a list of possible side effects and NO WAY !
My life working heavy construction on ships and oil rigs left me with a great BULL SHIT DETECTION SYSTEM .
Common sense from life experience .
Just tell these pro vaxxers this fact once the approved it for children the funeral home systems throughout the country ran out of 5 foot children’s caskets of course there is no connection , ya sure my ass …

Anonymous
Anonymous

Smart, but not wise…

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid

Nope; a dope.

Walt
Walt

If ‘Bob’ was genuinely ‘super smart’, he’d know better than to blindly obey authority and submit to a medical experiment with unknowable consequences.
While perhaps displaying the outward signs of being intelligent, ‘Bob’ is in fact mentally defective. Bragging about how he has been vaxxed 6 times makes that perfectly clear.
Wash your hands of ‘Bob’, Steve – he’s a lost cause. And dangerous, to boot since it’s because of people like him with their unquestioning deference to authority that TPTB are having such an easy time committing their various crimes, one of which would seem to be genocide.

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Daddy Joe
Daddy Joe

Walt, , Yes, a companion of fools still suffers harm. In many ways the whole scamdemic has made life a whole lot simpler.

TampaRed
TampaRed

a buddy sent this out today–it will pep up those of us who are unwashed & unvaxxed–
just a couple of minutes of reading–

https://2ndsmartestguyintheworld.substack.com/p/message-to-the-unvaccinated

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid

Excellent!

Preamble to a manifesto of liberation from the B3RG?

(This could work.)

Anonymous
Anonymous

I actually prefer the consistently stupid like “Bob” to the types I have dealt with for years. Several I know are fairly bright but herd animals first. They immediately take the MSM/Govt./”expert” side on any issue. They resist all counter information as it is presumed “tinfoil hat conspiracy theory”. Later as the evidence becomes impossible to dismiss, they excruciatingly slowly start to accept the reality, months or years too late to be useful in resisting. Then the revisionist history starts and they were “always against X and never fooled by the MSM/Govt./expert” side.

Every. Fucking. Time. So they never learn.

cS
cS

“Then the revisionist history starts and they were “always against X and never fooled by the MSM/Govt./expert” side”

well I see that everywhere – pro, anti, left, right, center, everywhere.

gammer
gammer

I see the good little slaves all about wearing their face diapers.

AKJohn
AKJohn

I’m perfectly healthy after 6 shots, but I am now too blind to drive. No awareness of cause and effect is the definition of an idiot.

m
m

That will surely fix itself, after the next 6 shots.

cS
cS

it will ….

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron

My question: just which 6 jabs did this guy Bob take?

PFE is 2 jabs and 2 boosters — so far — unless I’ve missed something …

clbrto
clbrto

I have a relative like Bob. A very good man, but too trusting. He has about a dozen young grandchildren he ADORES. Jabbed them all.

These days, I dread getting his letters. I just don’t want to know.

ICE-9
ICE-9

His friend Bob. Yeah right…

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Anonymous
Anonymous

-“He’s super smart about most things”

Was this wrriten by a 12 year old?

Anonymousse
Anonymousse

“Go, fetch me a 12 year old”

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid

That was Jeffrey Epstein’s favourite line.

Colorado Artist
Colorado Artist

Joe Biden.

i forget
i forget

Yes. “Deference to authority.” And when that’s foundation in someone, or “hardwired,” nothing can be done.

Moral realm, character/personality prism, “respect” for authority, credentials, titles – all those shortcuts to fatter slices that only “work” via the subsidies granted *by* this same moral realm character personality prism *to* these words-not-deeds mofo’s: see the ouroboros – the word “cowardice” applies.

But … learn about the history & process of domestication. Think about how a child (or a dog) will almost automatically assume blame, & responsibility, for abuse received from “superiors” … as you’re thinking about poured & hardening foundations, hardwiring, etc. It goes deeper & beyond “cowardice.”

The domesticated are stunted … forever. Broken down, on purpose, & like that Oliver guy said in that recent video, breaking it is the point, & fixing it is not part of the plan.

Or, broken is fixed. The 1913 creature from Jekyll island … the 1919 white-but-black-inside sox world series … the London am/pm gold fix … on & on, backwards & forwards in time: the fix is in, or it ain’t – but mostly? It’s in.

Think about how deep far & wide the domestication compulsion goes. It is the humanimal foundation.

And the vacuum in that foundation puts the 9/11 imploding footprint (a representative symptom/example/projection) to shame.

Dick Marcinko: Doom on you, Charlie.

(And, assertions contrary aside, there’s no shortage of Marcinko-types, ready to be deployed – at/against *anybody.* False comfort to let sugarplums & handcuff escape artist Okie gals in the back of rifle-equipped copcars dance in your head.)

If you think you can point to rule proving exceptions what you have is examples of undomestication. Not any sort of conversion, or evolution, or choice.

Free will? Fook off. Pure conceit-cudgel.

Everybody gets what they get & nobody, or nothing, picks those gets from a menu. If you got some good stuff, but didn’t get along with it the good stuff of acceptance that you are overwhelmingly surrounded by McDonalds “customers,” the ronalds are going to be especially aggravating & irritating & despair-ative.

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https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-04-05-bk-670-story.html

Hold the line? If not gotten round to, you won’t have held it, no matter how you “choose” to spin the look of it. If gotten round to, you’ll not hold it. In Spanish: mi casa es su Masada.

If Michael J. Fox goes back to the future, & turns out not to be one of Belyaev’s domesticated silver(screen) foxes, he’ll be getting in touch with his hunter-gatherer side … old McDonald *had* a farm, but that was then & this is now … now “billgates” bought the farm … maybe after old McDonald “held the line” & so “bought the farm.”

B_MC
B_MC

Willard Scott, the first Ronald. Most noted for being the weatherman on the Today Show (1980 – 1996), replaced by Al Roker.

i forget
i forget

Now that you say, I see. He was heavier on the today show. But that open-mouth-fixin’-to-eat smile was same.

Guest
Guest

Here’s a series entitled, The Nephilim Looked Like Clowns. 5 parts, very creepy.

Ken31
Ken31

What you are witnessing is Bob reasoning like a woman. This is the lasting devastation of the 19th Amendment.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Natural selection is weeding out the Bobs of the world.

Undebatable
Undebatable

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cS
cS

“I hope this is useful in helping you understand the pro-vaxxers and how they think”

it’s not – we already know this. what I want to know is HOW they got this way. is it just the default human condition, or were they led to be this way?

i forget
i forget

“Mises considered economics to be a sub-discipline of praxeology.”

Well, so’s wreckonomics … among other actions.

How’d anybody “get to be?”

There, but for the come-out roll, go I. It is the first action that begets all the sequelae.

falconflight
falconflight

After observing the American people these past five years or so, particularly regarding CovidStan, I better understand how the Germans were drawn into such evil during the 30’s/40’s.

Voltara
Voltara

If you’d been forced or tricked into taking the shots and/or had your children vaccinated would you want to read pages of data proving you are wrong and have potentially maimed or sterilised your offspring? If I was in that position I’d rather remain ignorant and pretend it never happened. People who previously regurgitated the mainstream justifications now don’t want to talk about it. They no longer try to debate, they just change the subject or tell you it’s all over.

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