Guest Post by The Zman
There was a time when normal Americans thought about how to survive a nuclear exchange with the Russians. During the Cold War, this seemed like a real prospect, so there was a reason to think about it. Into the 1960’s school kids had to do the hide under the desk thing, which was mostly about conditioning people to accept permanent war, but it conditioned people to the idea of being nuked. How to make it through a nuclear war became something of an industry.
There were two schools of thought on the subject back then. One said that any hint of a nuclear attack by either side would result in a mag dump by both sides. The United States and the Soviet Union were in a prisoner’s dilemma. If either side showed restraint, then they risked the other side striking first and possibly making it impossible to retaliate, so logic said to send all of your missiles first. Both sides accepted this logic which is why a system was put in place to prevent it.
From a survival perspective, such a scenario made the prospects for anyone living through it extremely low. The arsenals at the time were larger than today and the assumption was they could wipe out all life on the planet. The initial blasts would kill most people, but the fallout and nuclear winter would kill the rest. Even if people survived somehow, the numbers would be tiny. There was simply no point in preparing for what would be instant death for almost everyone.
The other school of thought was more optimistic. War would escalate with an initial exchange that might not lead to a mag dump. Even if the will were there to send all the missiles, many people would refuse to push the button. The disruption from the initial strikes would also render communications useless. The example of Vasili Arkhipov seemed like proof that a full scale exchange was unlikely. That meant it was possible to survive a nuclear war if you were prepared.
Today, that last scenario is more plausible. Nuclear arsenals are much smaller than during the Cold War. No one is really sure that the antique systems on which these weapons rely would work under stress. The American ICBM system still relies upon 1970’s technology. The Russian systems are similarly antiquated. The most likely scenario is that the major powers are no longer functional after a nuclear exchange, so lots of people survive the event.
The first step in surviving a nuclear war is to avoid a direct hit. Washington DC will get several direct hits and the initial flash will vaporize most of the population. The shock wave will level most of the city. By now, the Russians and Chinese know to target Northern Virginia, so it will be a saturation bombing. The five percent that survive the initial blast will be radiated and die soon thereafter. Therefore, the first rule of nuke club is to be outside the target zone.
The safe bet is to be away from the coasts. The Rockies or Appalachia are the best bet for making it through the first stage. Denver will be nuked, for sure, but the damage will be contained to that plateau. People in the mountains will escape the flash and the blast, even if Denver takes multiple strikes. The Green Briar will get hit, for old times sake, but most of West Virginia will be spared. There are lots of places to escape the flash and the blast in the mountains.
Once things settle after the final missile strikes, there will be four key things to surviving the aftermath. You will need water, shelter, food and a way to defend yourself from the people who were not prepared. Imagine a land ravaged by mask wearing Covidians and you get the picture. You will have to be prepared to kill a lot of people in order to avoid ending up like them. This means you need to pick a spot that has access to water, a food source and is defendable.
Since a post-nuclear America is going to look like the frontier as far as you are concerned, you are going to need frontier skills. You will need to know how to make a fire, provide yourself basic medical care and know how to hunt and fish. If your location is near a river, then you can initially get by with fishing and water from the river, but you have to boil the water and cook the fish. The ability to make fire without modern items like a lighter or matches is essential.
Once you have sorted the location and provided yourself with the frontier skills required to live in the wild, you need to think about the defense issue. A man alone is easy prey, even to desperate city people roaming the countryside. It would be better to have a tribe that can work together for common defense. That means you either need the skills to create a tribe from who is left or you have to create a tribe now. One way or the other, survival will depend upon community.
This basic framework of preparedness is just scratching the surface, but it does provide the basis for building a survival plan. For example, you will not want modern firearms for defense in the post-nuclear world. Making your own gunpowder for modern ammunition is not realistic. You can make black powder from raw materials. That means the old fashioned muzzleloader is a good weapon to own and master. Of course, older range weapons like spears and bows are an option.
The same applies to tools. Creating your own electric for powering modern tools is possible, but not very practical. If you assume society takes generations to bounce back from the holocaust, then it makes no sense to rely upon modern tools. They will break and you will not be able to fix them. The same would apply to vehicles. Old cars need gasoline and lubricants. Even if you stock those, they will run out eventually and your vehicles become lawn ornaments.
This is why forming communities in advance of the holocaust is critical. You can plan for the two general scenarios. The first scenario is the world steps back to the pre-industrial age and does not bounce back. The other scenario is the people responsible manage to survive and quickly set about recreating the modern world by bringing things like the power grid on-line. Do you want to play a role in that rebuilding or do you want to seek vengeance on them?
Community building in advance lets you wargame these issues. It also makes survival much more likely. No one man can know everything or prepare for everything, so having help increases your odds of survival dramatically. It also provides the means for surviving what comes after the initial devastation. In a post-nuclear world, tribalism will be the key to survival, which means the best tribe wins. Of course, that is also why the world was blown up, but that is a story for another day.
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Is it ‘Delusional Day’ today? [after Luongo’s first pitch]
The author is so uninformed about current weapon systems (of nuclear type), it would be better for him to STFU.
It makes HSF’s “there are no nukes” look sound, in comparison.
I like his assumption all modern arms and ammo will wink out of existence after WWIII. There are a lot of folks out there sitting on enough ammo to keep going a long, long time. And there are folks who reload thousands of rounds at a time for fun. Ammo won’t run out for a loooong time. If/When something like that happens, look at Pakistan/Afghanistan, where they’ve been known to build guns out of anything and run them on black powder.
I like his assumption we will survive WWIII. Read Ellsberg’s Doomsday Machine. Once they go off, they all go off. Look up Russia’s Dead Hand system. They have a Dr. Strangelove-style doomsday machine in case our morons finally go full retard. He might want read 1 Second After, too. As if we just stopped maintaining our nukes after 1991.
Being prepared to live like it’s the 18th century is probably a useful fallback, but I think it would still benefit you to try to keep your 21st century stuff up and running as long as possible. Read the life expectancy of the Mountain Men, for instance, and how they lived, and trying to keep the 21st century up and running in any way possible seems really good in comparison. For instance, I like having teeth and not dying of scurvy.
A single 100 MT nuke [H-bomb] completely takes out everything in a 60 mile diameter circle.
A dozen spread-out Poseidon nukes will drown everyone on the West and East Coast, and 100 miles inland or more.
If you live in the boonies far from any agglomeration and coast, and get through the first two weeks afterwards without severe radiation damage, you will probably be one of the <10% survivors, in the US.
Now all you have to do is deal with the nuclear winter days, weeks, or months afterward.
The months-long nuclear winter I don’t consider a guaranteed scenario, if that’s any consolation.
Your in it already. I don’t know how long it go on for but I know it’s effects long term are total at this point. We are already poisoned and the antidote is not coming for most of you.
That would be us, but wouldn’t an EMP attack be as devastating without all the radiation? BTW, who still has 100MT ordinance? Wasn’t the Tsarbomba around 100MT?
The practical limit to thermonuclear weapons is about 30 MT. The limitation is the curvature of the earth, anything bigger just blows a higher velocity hole through the atmosphere. The circle of complete destruction is then closer to 30 miles although that depends on the altitude of detonation.
The ‘curvature of the Earth’ part sounds like complete bullshit to me.
Source?
If I can easily see a 3000 m high mountain in 100 km (~60 miles) distance on a clear day, why can’t a nuke detonated in 3 km height flatten something in 50 km distance (30 miles, equaling a 60 mls circle) anymore?
Sure, because of the low angle, onto a level surface the ray intensity is diluted to 0.1% of the one directly under the blast [just from the angle, not taking distance into account here], but that’s still a lot and not everything is a flat, level surface but buildings etc. stick out.
Does anyone even have hydrogen bombs/warheads available for use?
Well honestly, HSF is not wrong; because if there are any, until they are used they do not exist. If there are not any, until they exist they cannot be used.
If they are real, then countries which supposedly have them must sign the UN’s Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons — which is here: https://treaties.unoda.org/t/npt — and then be ratified by the UN. 191 countries so far have done this; one glaring exception is Israel.
Articles I and II of the UNODA clearly state the terms of the agreement. Here’s Article I:
So we now know Article I is not worth the paper on which it is printed, as it has been blatantly violated by many countries on behalf of Israel. This is a proven fact, as you may see for yourself here:
Chosen Ones much?
Article II states:
Again, useless words taking up space in a vacuum. What is the point? Maybe that rules were meant to be broken, or that some of us are immune to rules at all? That is the only sensible conclusion.
I leave you with one last thought: Do you not believe that since 1945, and all the technological advancements since then, that the MIC has not invented other, less messy, ways of mass-murdering, which some of you have seen firsthand? That we do have weapons which we do not know about, but exist, and which could put nukes to shame? Do you still believe these people about anything?
And because it would be advisable to not believe these people about anything, I can make up my own fantasies as I like?
That’s not how it works for me.
But as I believe it is categorically impossible to -ever- construct a biological weapon that can kill more than 90% of the world population, as the others will survive due to genetic variations and/or immune system action and/or pure dumb luck (as “life” has always been a constant biological warfare), I still think nukes won’t be put to shame.
Now you could wise-crack and say ‘well let’s create three such bio-weapons, that brings it to 99.9%’, but it doesn’t work that way as spread [for the three] will occur at different speeds and already dead folks don’t aid the spread of the slower ones anymore. So you get to 95%, maybe.
All fantasies aside, nukes are illogical weapons to use, in any warfare. The object of any war is for your side to win, taking as few casualties as possible; and wars are not won by weaponry anyway, it all comes down to superior tactics by the men who use them.
No one in his right mind would fight an enemy with as much if not more destructive capability, not unless he had a plan to neutralize him. This is not an option with nukes: both sides, if they have them, can make bacon out of each other — but neither side wins that way. What good is a Pyrrhic victory?
The absolute best weapon would be one which eliminated people but not the land on which they live; something like a neutron bomb, which, I might add, has never actually been built. The intent is always to kill the people but save the Earth, it seems.
The next best weapon would be to convince the masses that if they didn’t do what they were told there were ghastly consequences. Fearful, ignorant people are easiest to control, after all. Why, one could even come up with a false story about, oh, let’s say, a virus, and because most of us have no backgrounds in medicine or virology (and those with the weapons did), people would naturally listen to such a person’s claims. (I know this could never happen, just putting it out there as a possibility. I know such a story would never fly.)
Lots of people would believe this alleged story, and without even legitimate proof of its veracity. It’s like acne cream: if anyone had one which worked, they’d put everyone else out of business. So, rather than let that be known, they simply offer the promise that it will work they way it is supposed to, and those with acne who use the cream choose to believe it. Or not. Because results are all that matter.
Thus, nukes may exist only symbolically. We won’t know until potentiality meets actuality, and that rarely happens in life.
Well, let’s wait for the moment when they start to convince the masses that “a little [bit] nuclear war won’t/wouldn’t be so bad.”
I had seen that coming in end of April (this year) for about 3 months out into the future – I have been either wrong or just early.
And the best weapon I have seen -so far- is ‘the devil/evil doesn’t exist’, and its variant ‘God left us/doesn’t exist [anymore]’ a/k/a Gnosticism, or the ultimate escalation ‘such things aren’t worth even contemplating about’ a/k/a Irreligion.
“Rod from God” weapons?
Space Farce has to exist for a reason, right?
Not to mention DEW, and other EMF weapons.
But, even today (tho maybe not for too much longer), the biggest baddest weapon is world reserve currency status.
It really is ‘Delusional Day’ today.
A third contender goes full retard:
https://antiempire.substack.com/p/defender-of-liberal-order-no-more
8 years of Ukrainian terror on Russian-speaking still-Ukrainians? Who cares!
“[2022:] Russia appropriating America’s own methods and using them to secure her own core interests.”
“After 20 years of constant accusations [by the West] that Russia is a renegade power breaking international law, the slander has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.”
Our preps are some excellent bottles of wine, because let’s face it, realistically, we will not do any of the things described.
At least we will be nicely tipsy after enjoying the “bottles for special occasions”.
You are all welcome here to join in.
Half the population will die for lack of drugs from the pharmacy.
One quarter will kill another quarter for lack of psych meds.
I’d commit suicide if there’s no cream for my coffee.
Once cell phone batteries go dead 75% of the people still alive would be lost as soon as they leave their house.
Turn off the internet for a week and a huge majority of the population will have a psychotic break. Their reality is online digital and without it, they will go nuts. Most have not used cash for years either, so when their plastic cards don’t work that will be interesting too.
Someone here mentioned they noticed internet withdrawal symptoms during the hurricane. I have had similar experience in winter storms here when the cell and internet towers lose power for a week in winter storms. It is disturbing how addicted I feel and I am not a “phone Junkie” like 90% of the people I see.
I live in CT so I’ll be dead. Fortunately, where I live is far enough away from the primary and secondary targets that I reckon I’ll have a little time after I see that first brilliant flash of light in the direction of the Navy sub base in Groton. I have a nice jug of whiskey and a pack of smokes set aside to enjoy in that eventuality. I’ll give it the ol’ college try to get two doubles down the hatch and smoke a couple of cigarette before the secondary targets are vaporized and the shock wave from the Pratt and Whitney facility in East Hartford hits me.
I am so sick of what the world has become in the last 20 or so years that I am about ready to say “Fuck it, let the nukes fly”.
My only concern is that it appears I am at least 300 miles from any primary or secondary targets. I might live for a while.
Glad I lived hard and fast for several decades instead of preparing for a luxurious retirement that I probably would not get to enjoy anyway.
I understand the ‘first wave’ are the EMP designed type, basically taking out the entire USA grid. Every vehicle will die, all aircraft will fall out of the sky, all electronics fried and so forth..Then following are the blast weapons as described. I suppose there are only seconds between the two waves……. Long enough to kiss your ass good bye..
‘All aircraft’ will most certainly NOT ‘fall out of the sky’. The vast majority of piston-engine aircraft have magneto ignition systems that are not affected by EMP. They also have either carburetors or mechanical fuel injection. Older jet engines only use igniters for starting, and since they have a mechanical fuel control system, when the fire is lit it stays lit until you cut off the fuel. Now the radios and navigation systems are another story…also, my 1969 Yamaha AT-1 with points and a carburetor will run just fine too-that will be my only operational vehicle though…
No. not every vehicle will die…a lot but probably 10-20 % will be either shielded by a natural obstacle, or have electronics shielded, and some, like 2 of mine have no electronics.
Great piece and we need to discuss this topic while we still have communications.
When I was in the Radio biz (for 20 years) I learned much about Civil Defense since several stations I worked for were “Primary EANS” stations, meaning they stayed on-air during emergencies requiring the network to be functional. One station I worked for had a Ford 289 2 BBL converted to propane and connected to a large generator that could power the transmitter site. A small quantity of supplies like crackers and water were also stashed there. The station management didn’t take to heart this facet of their broadcast license; can’t remember any drills or tests of the engine/gennie or auto power distribution box, or any of the audio equipment. Doubtful this station could have stayed on-air and once again, this was the PRIMARY station for a market of 1 million plus.
So don’t rely on MSM for any info if we get hit.
The other thing we should think about is EMP. “Electro-magnetic pulse”. Even though payloads for nukes may be (or may not be, we REALLY don’t know) smaller, there’s a real good chance the enemy will launch nukes to be detonated high in the atmosphere in order to create a widespread EMP. I’ve read that the entire continental U.S. could be covered by 3 bombs. And if effective that would take out anything that runs on electric, including vehicles. It would be like electricity just didn’t work any longer. That takes out lights, water, sewer, etc. No elevators in high-rises nor hvac. It could get toasty on the sun-side of the building. Cell phones might work for a little while depending on how “hard” their cell sites are to EMP, and once their batteries at the site were exhausted there would be no signal.
Our only shot at survival could (note I said “could) be from the aliens. Don’t laugh, back in the 60’s a big red disc hovered over a couple of our ND launch sites and took all the Minutemen missiles offline.
The AF meticulously examined each missile and found NO reason for their failure. Here’s an article on the incident featuring Nick Pope from the UK’s UFO/UAP dept:
Here’s another incident that happened in 2010:
https://www.wired.com/2010/10/communications-dropped-to-50-nuke-missiles-in-icbm-snafu/
Also, in reported exchanges with aliens the prime message was “stop using nukes, you don’t know what you’re doing”. Apparently splitting the atom on a large scale has effects we’re not aware of. So it’s to the alien’s best interest to provide guidance on that topic.
Of course they might have no problem with Hypersonic weapons such as those reportedly online in Russia. They don’t even need to go nuclear in order to cause widespread kinetic damage.
Good luck and God bless us all!
Don’t listen to this douche. He has no idea what he is writing about.
Losing ALL credibility. All of it. Nothing left.
Depending upon how bad the war is, you probably will not want to survive. A life in a post apocalyptic world is probably not a life worth living. Nuclear winter and radiation poisoning just does not sound like all that much fun.
Some people simply cannot accept the fact that no one gets out of here alive anyway. Below a certain standard of living, life just becomes hell on earth…
Nuclear war can be survived and won. The USSR-Russia has been preparing for decades with a massive civil defense effort. All the while Soviet propaganda toward the West officially espoused the futility of it all. The author’s premise that DC would be the prime target is not necessarily accurate. Targeting the national capital is the trigger for all out nuclear war. Target the Northern Tier (Sparse population) silos, pause and offer an armistice. Failure to accept the terms results in targeting all the large metro areas. MAD is the US doctrine, but that isn’t the Soviet/Russian doctrine. First strike can win.
Bullshit. Complete bullshit. The primary targets are always going to be ground based ICBM’s so the choice is either use them or lose them. Upon first launch, the country being attacked will track the incoming missiles, but will not know which of their silos is targeted so be left with the option to launch them all, or allow them to be taken out. That means within 10 min. there will be close to 400 birds in the air, many with 6 or more warheads and at that point there is little reason to hold back anything.
In addition, the Russian system is set up with Dead Hand system which if detects hits on the mainland without response will automatically launch all 1600 missiles. If you are underground you may survive, but you will never again be able to go to the surface.
Why do you assert that the surface is forever poisoned? The half life decay is very rapid. After two to three weeks, dangerous levels are negligible.
You are obviously ignorant of the effects of radiation from multiple blasts long term. The Bikini islands are still uninhabitable. While radioactive iodine has a half life of 8 days, radioactive cesium has a half life of 30 years. Most blasts in a nuclear war would be above ground, and would send radioactive particles into the atmosphere where it would rain down on the earth for many months following. Radiation would be in land, the water, and the plants and animals we eat. Radiation is cumulative and effects would increase with every exposure.
There is also the issue of complete collapse of infrastructure. Even if you survived the blasts and radiation, you would not survive the aftermath. The vast majority of people will die of starvation due to no infrastructure to replace food once the local supplies are consumed. The entire grid would collapse and there would be no electricity, no gas, and no communications. Disease would become rampant as millions of dead bodies rot and are eaten by insects and animals who spread the disease exponentially.
It is estimated that an EMP blast alone would kill the majority of the US population, what do you think the results of the loss of all infrastructure and most major cities would be?
Like I said, hell on earth. Unimaginable suffering.
@Jdog- Hey man could peek at the comments in You Really blew it up! Between myself and m? What do you think?
I put a comment in that thread, basically this issue is not one of physics, it is one of human nature. I am a great believer of root cause analysis, and the root cause of the survival issues we face are not anything that can or will be solved by science. The root cause is what we are on a fundamental level. We are a species that is either mis-developed, or under developed. Our brains have evolved to be able to process science, but not to control our illogical thought processes based on emotions. As a species, we are mentally unbalanced. Capable of great technological development, but devoid of mental ability to overcome our neurotic emotion based self destructive cognitive deficiencies.
Perhaps I need to rethink my position on neurochip technology. Perhaps it is our only option for survival as a species.
You got it that is the only way forward, I just thought that the comments between m and myself did a good of explaining some of the complexities with radiation and why the chip (metaverse) is the only way forward to survive in the matrix. Thanks man. You got it but we almost have m as a convert. 🙂
The only reason we have nuclear anything is off planet something. So why r we being loaded into the matrix? For imprisonment, our well being, are we being sold off?? Who is selling our souls??? What do they gain? What does it cost people? Yea man, interesting times!
LOL, now that was the best self-knockout I’ve seen in a long time.
“overcome our neurotic emotion”
Yess, rationality alone will save us!
Especially the one that only accepts perfect solutions, and therefore feels entitled to remove by any means necessary (including killing) the ones that stand in the way to the targeted, self-declared Utopia!!
The whole 20th century, or actually the whole Modernity, has shown us how great that approach works!!!
Again thanks man I tried, I am getting better at explaining the Strangelove situation we are all in. Maybe next time.
Your post is a perfect example of how irrational and illogical the current human condition is. You neither have the intelligence to understand what I said, or the reasoning to understand where the root problem exists. Your ego however pushes you to believe you are right regardless of your ignorance.
Exactly, and by making the human condition completely rational and logical, everything will become great!
Especially as it’s totally possible to become really and truly perfect, if we kill anybody who dares to use a slightly non-logical thought!!
(… as decided by who??)
This DoD link suggests that MAD isn’t the doctrine. Everything in years past that I had read or heard suggested that if the US was attacked with nuclear weapons, the US would enforce a MAD response.
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2334600/dod-official-outlines-us-nuclear-deterrence-strategy/
“That means within 10 min. there will be close to 400 birds in the air”
Yep, and I’d guess Russian air defenses will take out around 2/3rds of them.
That sill leaves 135 impacts [in Russia], but with bunkers in existence for 70% of their population and a country so vast you will always find non-massively-contaminated areas afterwards, they’ll have the best chance to restart civilization.
Just for perspective.
Psychopathic globalists ignore any suggestion they might die in a nuclear conflict. Informed individuals were strangely absent from the Twin Towers on 9/11.
The civil chaos of the USA government/society, and the globalist Great Reset oppression, are submitted to be funded by two methods of questioned legality.
First: An Income tax on Sovereign Citizens is not consistent with Constitutional authorization nor does statutory authorization for such a tax exist. Ref. https://stateofthenation.co… THE INCOME TAX SCAM & 87,000 ARMED IRS AGENTS |
Second: The Federal Reserve system covertly transfers ‘profit’ derived from auctions of Treasury securities to unknown shareholders. All profit of the Rothschild’s Fed legally belongs to the government. The relevant accounts have never been audited. Ref.
THIS IS OUR BANKING SYSTEM
Both methods involve financiers – BEYOND GOVERNMENT – who are the chief beneficiaries.
As is being proven every day, if you do not attack the funding of corrupt bureaucrats, civil disturbances, and Great Reset/globalism/war mongering, they will create legions of new programs and corrupt bureaucrats will replace the old exposed ones.
The nefarious funding of corrupt politicians and Great Reset must be exposed. Far-right legislation is an essential step but not the final solution. Civil disturbances are created by globalists to distract attention from the real action.
I want to be at Ground Zero in a nuke war. NOT KIDDING. Instant vaporization seems like the kindest death of all.
Why anyone would want to live in a post nuclear war America is baffling to me. Especially if you’re a Believer …. isn’t it FAR BETTER to be with Christ? Or, have you been bullshitting about that all these years?
We are experiencing the RAIDS version now. Slow and drawn out. It’s medieval torture now and more symptoms to come.
Depends on the extent of the exchange. I think an EMP attack is more probable. More plausible deniability of those responsible. As to your central point, yes.
It is part of a well understood Christian faith, to try to survive and help to rebuild towards the better (but NOT the perfect!), even in/after such an event.
That’s what I’m going to do, to my last breath – but probably not in/for “the West”, as that I can choose.
You know, I read the article. Perused the comments. It must be sad for “god” to see everyone discussing which bombs are best. The type, size, placement and timing of weapons. It must be Russia, USA, Not sees, Aliens, fault that my goal today is to go rape and pillage and flat out destroy ourselves and everything else. It really is a human flaw that we pull others down to get ahead, than to push each other up. I’m guilty too.
Masks are the new ‘hide under the desk thing’ and are similarly as effective (in reinforcing the narrative).
It remains to be seen if nukes are as illusory as the ‘virus’.
I liked the “Fresh coat of paint and good housekeeping” back in the day. I’m left wishing for leaded paint. Ahh the good ol’days. Tasty paint and clean neighbourhoods.
In my lifetime I have watched as the occupation government has repeatedly and consistently used two different tactics in order to obtain resources or enforce compliance; flat out lies and the employment of conventional military operations.
The falsehoods are employed primarily on the domestic population with an occasional militaristic lashing out (Waco) and conventional air/ground campaigns in foreign lands for the purposes of stealing resources.
I believe this is all they have, their multitudes of lies notwithstanding.
You are free to believe them, but it seems foolish in the extreme to place any trust in the organs of a state so deeply committed to a policy of falsehood and propaganda.
One need not believe in Ohm’s Law to make electronic posts on a website. One need not believe in the Bernoulli equations to fly in an airplane.
Similarly, of course, one need not believe in the Fundamental Forces in order to be ultimately governed by them. The Weak and Strong forces (the one that allow/govern fission and fusion, respectively) are well-understood and clearly extant. The Weak force, which is same thing as the Electrostatic Force just operating at a much smaller scale, must exist or we would not be able to exchange this information. The Strong force also must exist or the nucleus of every atom around as well as in us would fly apart from the exertion of the Weak Force on the nuclear particles in each.
I do not believe my government or any. I, in fact, believe that the lies go deeper than even you would believe, certainly more than I would or could. But physics cares not for belief or lies. It simply is.
Doesn’t it seem more likely that that the AIC (Assholes-In-Charge) would leverage the power of physics and then lie about it than to simply claim that there are forces that do not exist?
Weak force?? Torsion field?
We have a nice, six acre homestead with a greenhouse, on a marsh with oysters galore, a well, 24KV generator w/ a 500 gal. LP tank, a climate that allows year round outdoor veggies but has one big problem.
As the crow flies, we’re 10 miles north of Parris Island, so we’re dead meat when the nukes fly.