TAKE THIS VOTE AND SHOVE IT

Guest Post by CCRider

In an inspired moment back in 2019, I wrote the following article that Admin was kind enough to post.  To my amazement, it was picked up by Zero Hedge reaching a massive audience.  Not bad for a one-trick pony.  I couldn’t wait to read the comments that followed but they were a disappointment.  It was the usual crap you commonly hear about one’s civic duty and soldiers getting slaughtered to protect my ability to vote for the likes of John Fetterman or is it Fetterwoman?  Our TBP shit-flinging monkeys are infinitely more engaging and fun to converse with.  I think it’s held up pretty well.

TAKE THIS VOTE AND SHOVE IT

I offer here an idea to drive a stake into the heart of the ruling elite while requiring no effort, no rallies, no demonstrations, and no violence. It can be done sitting on our asses, in fact, that’s a requirement. We hijack the nonvoting majority. There are many well-reasoned articles about not voting.

One of my favorites is by Doug Casey https://internationalman.com/articles/doug-caseys-top-five-reasons-not-to-vote/. I stopped voting after Reagan grew the government by 30%. If he couldn’t stem the malignant growth of the federal government I reasoned, no one could. Like any parasite, the government would grow until it killed off the host. I did vote for Ron Paul in the two republican primaries but I knew it was merely symbolic.

Not only was he not allowed to win, if he came close they would have killed him, like Jack Kennedy, another reason I gave up on the evil that is voting in a corrupt regime. It was sort of hard sticking toit early on, not getting sucked into the red/blue bullshit hype. In time I grew to love my nonvoting status.

It gave me a perspective that wound up being refreshing and enlightening. I became a spectator in the bleachers emotionally detached from the outcome which I could not affect in any case. I became bulletproof to nitwits like W Bush. I could see through the dapper, skin rash deep facade of Obama and the horny carnival barker who followed him. I wasn’t being played. The big picture came gradually into focus. I could see through the ruling elite’s machinations and tricks to lead the voting wildebeests down their desired path. I became a proud nonvoter. It’s not a fashionable position I know but that can change.

There is a new paradigm perhaps worth developing that could radically reset the equation. In the last presidential election out of 230 million eligible voters, almost half, 97 million did not vote. That left 130 million who did. Split that number in half to represent the 2016 percentages of democratic and republican voters and you have about 65 million each. So the vast majority of eligible voters stayed home rather than join the red-blue circle jerk. The establishment press, ever the teacher’s pets, labeled nonvoters lazy and apathetic giving them cover to ignore the other obvious reason; that the abstainers regard voting as a hopeless and pointless exercise, two paths to the same cage. Is my confirmation bias showing or are disillusioned trumpsters getting wise to the democracy scam in increasing numbers?

Consider what would happen if we take the republican voters off the table. That would give the democratic party 65 million votes and the “None Of The Above” party 162 million. Of course, that’s unrealistic because the real apathetic people are the brain-dead automatic Repo voters-think John
McCain voters. But even if we could convince half of them, say 33 million to stay home on election day, that would still overwhelm the Dummos 65 million to 130 million. If one-third join the movement it’s 120 million to 65 million-twice their number. What would our masters do? I have no idea but those relying on the bogus concept of “consent of the governed” would be made a laughing stock-something they can’t stand-humiliation. That’s what all that “The Honorable” bullshit is about. Like we owe Rashida Tlaib respect.

If you believe in Liberty and cherish your American birthright to be a sovereign individual there is no good reason to reject this wonderful form of completely nonviolent and legal civil disobedience. Even if Trump builds his partial wall/fence/barrier/whatever unless chain migration is stopped (which he could have done on day one) that alone will be enough to push Texas, Georgia, and Florida over the blue wall in short order. At that point, we have one-party rule. See what John Adams had to say about the fate of all democracies. We’re there. What’s left to save? Why play in a rigged game? Let’s go in a different direction. The irreverent, ‘Blow Me’ attitude of TBP seems a great vehicle to sponsor such an effort.

Think of the fun we could have driving the nonvoting bandwagon. Maybe we could call ourselves the Former Unionists or FU Party. Let’s do what the ruling elite would fear and loathe: Give the ‘None of the Above’ majority a persona. Brand the movement. Hand out “I Didn’t Vote” stickers. Or “Hope is for dopes” ball caps. Maybe our anthem could be a rewrite of the lyrics “Take This Job( Vote) and Shove it”. If it caught fire it could ignite the decentralized explosion of creative fire of the Ron Paul presidential campaigns. Think of the phonies; Biden, Harris, Graham, Rubio, etc. voicing outrage at the very idea of rejecting their ‘leadership’. Think of the Chris Cuomos and Hannitys begging you to once again fall for the regularly scheduled “Most Important Election Of Our Lifetimes” scam. Many Dummos may even join in. Think of Bernie’s followers after he was screwed out of the nomination by the DNC. Might they not join in? And the best part is that this movement requires no leaders. No political positions.

No campaign promises. No quorums. No conventions. We have no platform, offer no issue statements, and no legislative agendas. We don’t give a shit about the fucking deficit or ‘regime change’ . We stay home and mind our own business. We’re sick and tired of the game and we no longer wish to participate in our own destruction. We’ve shrugged.

Vote, my ass.

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TN Patriot
TN Patriot

Failing to vote just gives them more confidence that they are right and can rule as they please. For them it sounds better to win by a 70 – 30 margin with fewer voters involved than 50 – 49 with a majority of the electorate voting.

I would suggest putting “None of the Above” on the ballot and if it got more votes than any candidate, then there would be a new election and the candidates who lost could not run in the new election. I know it will not happen because the only ones who could approve this measure are currently in power.

AKJOHN

I always looked at voting as more of choosing the lesser of evils. These day voting democrat is like saying I am all in on the USA being a commie shithole. Basically every democrat is a commie these days or worse, being all in on the NWO agenda.. But, on the right you never know what you are voting for as many are also in on the same agenda.

MrLiberty

That is in the Libertarian party platform and is how they vote internally…or at least it used to be .

Jocko
Jocko

Not all libertarians are Libertarians (party members). Personally I think the Libertarian party in this country is a joke. Their biggest issue was pot legalization, and that is pretty much a done deal. They also have a tendency to run libertarian leaning failed Republicans like Ed Clark, Bob Barr and Gary Johnson, but that is changing a bit, they have run actual libertarians like Jo Jorgensen.

brewer55
brewer55

I don’t think dominion voting machines allow for any write-in names. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Warren

In Florida there’s only a write in line of there’s a registered write in candidate. And only registered write in candidates are allowed to have their votes counted.
And if there’s only one write in candidate and no others then the write in candidate wins automatically. That’s what the local property tax administrator did last time in my county, he waited in the election clerks office until just before the deadline, and no one filed to run against him he filed as a write in for $25.00 otherwise to be listed on the ballot he would have had to pay several thousand dollars.

CCRider
CCRider

We can’t expect them to cooperate with discrediting their BS system.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Came up with that same idea 18 years ago along with a few others added that upon later analysis, we couldn’t find any loop holes in it. Would fix most of the complaints everybody has with the current system. But knew it would NEVER be allowed. We don’t have the courage as a society.

Jdog
Jdog

Self determination has become a fantasy. It no longer exists in the US, or anywhere else I know of. The illusion of being able to make a difference, or to control government in any way is just that.
I hate to be a hypocrite, and so I must now admit that by voting, I am simply helping to legitimize a government that is a totalitarian dictatorship, and the enemy of all the people of the USA. From this point on, I will simply focus on my own life and opposing all government to what ever degree it is possible to do so.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams

Seems you did a 180. Interesting to see…

Austrian Peter

“When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, Sir” John Maynard Keynes – quote”

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams

Yes, just interesting to see how the times change one’s thinking. To see the process…

Austrian Peter

But the tendency AA is for most is to work to maintain stasis – change is frightening to those who have little in the way of spiritual spine:

This wonderful Guru said this to encourage unbelievers: (22) “In reply Jesus said to them: “Have faith in God. (23) Truly I say to you that whoever tells this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but has faith that what he says is going to happen, he will have it happen. (24) This is why I tell you, all the things you pray and ask for, have faith that you have received them, and you will have them. (25) And when you stand praying, forgive whatever you have against anyone, so that your Father, who is in the heavens, may also forgive you your trespasses.” (Mark: 11; 22,25).

It can’t get any better than that! 🙂

Voltara
Voltara

That was Keynes excusing himself from being an establishment stooge. The “facts” didn’t change, it’s just that the lies he was uttering previously were no longer sustainable.

Austrian Peter

Very true my friend and well noted – I guess I was being generous, after all he did have some good points but I will have to think hard about that!

Jdog
Jdog

There is little to be gained from denying reality. If the current situation has not awakened enough people to realize we are in deep, deep, trouble, then I am afraid it is hopeless. I wish I could say I had more faith in my fellow countrymen, but I do not…. While it is clear some vote tampering is happening, it is not enough to change the outcome unless the vote was close to begin with. That confirms that the stupidity is beyond correction.
With the train heading for a bad section of track, we still have way too many people voting to keep shoveling the coal even faster. The outcome now is inevitable….. It is time to stop trying to prevent the crash, and concentrate on doing whatever can be done to survive it.

Jdog
Jdog

I try to be a realist. I realize now I cannot effect anything by voting, because the system is rigged. Not just the elections, but everything.
Currently about 33% of Americans do not vote, if that number goes to over 60% then the government becomes illegitimate, and cannot claim they represent the people, and that I believe now is our only hope.
I believe we have a 100% better chance of de-legitimizing government by refusing to vote, than we do changing anything by voting.

World War Zeke
World War Zeke

Dems are stampeding a 3rd world of replacements via the southern border to fix that civic loophole with a stroke of Dementia’s puppet pen. The Permanent State believes in counting all votes… of all people… who have ever lived… for another glorious mandate to loot and humiliate the downtrodden productive.

Fortunately, Nemesis can veto clown world at any time 🙂

Svarga Loka
Svarga Loka

“I will simply focus on my own life.”

Isn’t that the very definition of self determination?

Austrian Peter

Yep SL – you have it one: Local economies are the answer – opt out as we all can – the elites require compliance – we don’t have to give them that:
https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/the-financial-jigsaw-part-2-special-36e?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Austrian Peter

I think we should consider Einstein’s proposal: “Doing the same thing over and again, and expecting a different result is a sign of insanity” I have been doing the ‘voting thing’ for 50 years and nothing has changed – it’s got worse every year – and nothing is fixed, so I gave up in 2012 (having got back to UK in 2009) and I will never vote again. It’s a farce – a pageant – designed to ameliorate the 99% – so they can feel good about losing their power…again. Follow the money – the Banksters are in control – always have been. Neil Oliver asks: “are we stupid or what”:
https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/stupid-or-what-rwanda-in-focus-beware

Times are changing and now we have real opposition in UK with labour strikes everywhere – it’s going to be a mega-crisis this winter – no doubts – the nurses want 17% pay rise – and they deserve it – and more. They have to pay parking fees of up to £10/day out of their measly (taxed) £25K a year. I say forget it – move on to the ‘Bank’ where nurses command £80/hour on contract!
https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/the-financial-jigsaw-part-2-special-36e?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Go well Jdog – AP 🙂

bucknp
bucknp

Einstein’s thought seemed to have gained much popularity 2008-2012. …maybe before.

Austrian Peter

Yep – I came across it in the 1980s but it was dismissed in the euphoria of that time-frame – we were all gung-ho then after the 1987 crash.

bucknp
bucknp

Don’t hate to be a hypocrite. While my moto is not to follow the sheep off a cliff, we all bees hypocrites. Raise a hand if one is not.

m
m

“…or anywhere else I know of”

Maybe you should try to look a little more around, with an open mind.

Jdog
Jdog

Perhaps you can give and example if such a place exists…..

m
m
The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer

Making a difference or controlling government is outside of the self, therefore it can not be called “self determination”. What you’re talking about is extending what is rightfully yours into places it was never intended to intrude upon. Sort of like rape or buggery. It’s an exercise of force. I don’t see that as complimentary to my self determination.

I think you’re heading in the right direction. Go to, stay in, or return to, as the case may be, a right relationship with God and you’ll be surprised how quickly the windows of Heaven will open. Once you realize that everything in this world is meant to distract you from doing that, you instinctively place more value on it. It must be worth something if they don’t want you having it, right?

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams

Nice job, CCR. Like your writing.

There was a time I would have been all over your ass for taking this position. Not anymore. I’m following your lead. Count me in as part of the FU Party. I absolutely will not legitimize this charade.

Of course, this means that we cannot complain about the consequences that lie before us. We just have to refuse to participate all around…including any laws that pass that don’t jive with our core values. And…be willing to take it to the next level when necessary.

bucknp
bucknp

Ms. Abbey, you did not straight lever last week in Tejas? There were some Long Tall Texans amongst the crowd. “Asking for a friend.” Oh, and riding big white horses wearing big white cowboy hats.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams

No, Tex. I didn’t even register to vote (purposely). Texas is just as corrupt as any. We just don’t feel it quite yet like the other states do…but we will eventually. Witnessing a state turn from red, purple, to blue…I hate to say, but TX has all the signs of doing the same eventually. It’s just a matter of time.

Austrian Peter

When I was in Texas in 1997 – staying in Bandera – I was most impressed by the ‘pioneering spirit’ and my good friend, who carried a .45, and proffered that he shoots first and asks questions later! I liked that, and we shared a massive steak breakfast at a nearby TexMex cafe! Great place – I loved it – almost as good as Cape town!

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams

You can still find those kind of people here, especially in the rural areas. In fact, that’s the only kind of people I’ll have anything to do with now.

I’m grateful to be in TX…but I can also see the writing on the wall.

Austrian Peter

I’m with you AA – no better place to be than rural Texas. In our rural UK village – guns are rare except for 12 bore – and we ask questions first!! 🙂

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams

Come on down, cowboy. Love to have you in these parts.🤠

Austrian Peter

Ah the joy AA – you Texans are just so lovable – when the time is right I do hope to visit you again, stay longer and bask in your wonderful state! I will advise well in advance. 🙂

brewer55
brewer55

Same crap going on in Georgia. Kemp and Raffens”burgler” were both voted in again to do the same graft. My only solace is that I live 70+ miles north of Atlanta in a very conservative area. The sheriff in our county, as well as the 2 adjoining counties, is very conservative. There are a lot of red necks with a lot of “security items” up here.
I believe the only hope we have is to be around a lot of like minded people and to be in communities that will be able to barter, trade and buy from locals. Everywhere I look around me are farms and cattle.

bucknp
bucknp

Should you make it back to Texas think about a Big Bend trip. Terlingua is north of Big Bend in Brewster County.

Someone posted the area they live up Montana way had a population density of 1/sq mi. I did some checking on Brewster County, Texas, 1.5/sq mi.
http://www.usa.com/rank/texas-state–population-density–county-rank.htm?yr=9000&dis=&wist=&plow=&phigh=

While there are people in Alpine, traveling Hwy 118 south toward Terlingua is 83 miles of nothing. Always have lots of water. 2002 is my last trip to that country. Don’t know what the 83 mile trip is like now yet likely no problem stopping on the side of the road if drinking lots of water and just stepping outside the drivers side door and take care of business right there. Even drivers that squat can do the same.

I don’t like pulling up google maps. MapQuest takes too long to load.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Big+Bend+National+Park/@29.8965834,-104.121171,9z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x86f217704be5ef2b:0x64467dbc2783850f!8m2!3d29.2498194!4d-103.2501636!16zL20vMDFzbXI2

Austrian Peter

WOW – thanks so much buckup – local news is so valuable – I will file it for the future – I never know what the future has in store for me – I just follow the guidance of the angels and try to follow the narrow path in life 🙂

Jdog
Jdog

Texas will unfortunately become Cali-fornicated, just as Idaho is becoming now…. They are like locusts, they destroy the place where they are, and then go somewhere else and destroy that also….

CCRider
CCRider

Thank you, AA. Much appreciated. Taking responsibility for one’s self is a requirement for an honest and free society. It’s why lots of weak fools crave government and the bastards know that fact all too well.

Austrian Peter

AND they prey on it CCR – we ARE the Prey:

Nelson Muntz
Nelson Muntz

“Of course, this means that we cannot complain about the consequences that lie before us.”

I prefer George Carlin’s logic on this old canard.

If you vote you have no right to complain. If you vote and elect politicians who are incompetent and corrupt who then screw everything up, you are responsible for that and have no right to complain. On the other hand if you did not participate, your hands are clean and have every right to complain.

Gryf
Gryf

Here in the boonies, voting for candidates in local elections does matter. There are actually people who want to serve the people and not some corporate master.

bucknp
bucknp

Agree to some extent except the power thing still goes on and if you ain’t in the power structure “click” you ain’t shit. The power struggle does not have to involve the national bs or corporate master. Just saying.

Around here it never fails someone within the power structure is accused and sometimes convicted of funneling local funds (taxes) or the reason for the local funds into one’s own self interest.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer

So they got to you too huh? Well…there’s one born every minute.

Austrian Peter

Beautiful sentiments CC Rider and very good plans and proposals/ In UK we have a similar corrupted government; I am amazed that so few even recognise that they are being shorn like sheep. I support your proposition entirely and will gladly promote your ideas here in UK under the banner: “The Action Group Glorifying Exceptional Dissenters” (TAGGED). I know you Yanks love acronyms!

I have already written about the joke that is our Parliament and now, in glorious technicolour, we see the markets destroying our idiot ‘Lettuce Liz’ completely. How can Joe Public be so blind as to not notice this dead give-away?
“AND ANOTHER QUESTION – Why are we not having a general election after ‘Lettuce Liz’ resigned?”:
https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/hmg-budget-mtfp-bbc-bias-bankers?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Also you might note my option for side-stepping the WEF CBDCs feudal Social Credit System:
https://austrianpeter.substack.com/p/the-financial-jigsaw-part-2-localisation?s=w

Carry on with your good work CCR – you have my backing…. 🙂

CCRider
CCRider

Thank you, Peter. I’m honored. The democratic process, I think only works well in local elections where politicians are forced to live by the consequences of their actions. On a national scale, as Nassim Taleb points out they have “no skin in the game.” There is hardly a dumber way to run a government.

Austrian Peter

You are on target CCR – I agree entirely. The ONLY way to govern is through small, localised communities (cooperating with others) where the elected elders are accountable and cannot escape restitution. Notice I didn’t say ‘punishment’ – in the Nordic constitution the key is to hold the offender to account and have him relinquish power and wealth as retribution. The oldest national parliament is here and they were the only country in 2010 to JAIL THE BANKSTERS – says something eh?

“Althing, Icelandic Alþingi also spelled Althingi, unicameral legislature of Iceland. Founded at Thingvellir in southwestern Iceland c. 930, the Althing is one of the oldest national parliaments in the world”:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Althing#:~:text=Althing%2C%20Icelandic%20Al%C3%BEingi%20also%20spelled,national%20parliaments%20in%20the%20world.

CCRider
CCRider

Where I grew up in New England it’s an old and honorable tradition of local town hall meetings. I recall it from my youth (yout?). They were usually pillars of that society-doctors, lawyers, bank executives, top educators, etc. We traded that in for psychopaths and scam artists. No wonder we’re screwed.

brewer55
brewer55

I was born in RI however, my folks moved to SFL when I was less than 1 year old.

Austrian Peter

Same is true here in UK – I share you history CCR – post-war Britain was poor but honourable. Now, after 50+ years of excess and self-indulgence, the end is near.

messianicdruid
messianicdruid

Is it true that Liz will receive 115,ooo per year for 44 days of public “service “?

Austrian Peter

Yes, entirely true -they look after their own very well – it’s a big club and we’re not in it! here are the details:
https://www.gobankingrates.com/net-worth/politicians/liz-truss-net-worth/

BL
BL

AP- That Sunak character may be the end of you. I don’t have the warm fuzzies for that guy.

Austrian Peter

And you are right BL. The guy is a stooge for WEF – nothing more, nothing less: Here’s the background:

Rishi Sunak, the World Economic Forum, CBDCs and Global Totalitarianism

Iggy
Iggy

Gotta agree I think I’m done after this latest joke of an election.This country is done only a complete collapse and disintegration is in it’s future.

Austrian Peter

Yes it is already written Iggy:

“The persecution of the 99% was foretold by Jesus, who said it would be a clear sign of the consummation of this wicked system of Satan. Its persecution of them has become notorious, thus proving the world is not worthy of them. For this reason it will be destroyed.—Hebrews: 11:38; Matthew: 24:9; Revelation: 7:9, 10; and John 10:16”

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer

It’s not enough to sit it out, you have to go down, in person and de-register and make sure they understand why when you do it.

Explain it calmly.

I no longer have any trust in the political system or the election process and cannot in good conscience be a party to fraud.

Thank you.

CCRider
CCRider

I’m fer it.

Gryf
Gryf

I live in a low population rural county where there are good and bad candidates and a few votes can determine the outcome of an election. This year I dropped my major party registration and signed up with a tiny grass roots peoples party so I can vote on local issues.

Gryf
Gryf

I know. Corruption at all levels.

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter

There’s that whole taxation without representation thing goin on . I still render unto Ceasar if you get my drift . Gotta find away around that and then I can say I withdraw my support from a system that deprives me of any say in it . Ironically some of the problem at least has been caused by the stupid idea that people should get representation without taxation , which is essentially a say in what happens to the fruits of someone else’s labors , which by extention is robbery in my understanding of Natural Law. Yeah they said dont worry about it it’ll work out fine , what could possibly go wrong with allowing someone who has not contributed to the pot get a deciding vote in how it is aportioned Lol .
I cant beleive it but I think I am slowly getting on board with the idea of not participating in a rigged game , but then again I could never get into going down to the local indian res casino to watch my money dissapear with nothing to show for it there either . Guess Im just “old fashioned “that way. So i hereby humbly submit my application for membership to the “FU” party , or the ” GFY”party

YourAverageJoe

I that the rule in your state?
Wonder if it’s that way in Texas?

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer

It’s funny that you actually believe that they give one wet shit about your little display. If anything, you’ve just been put on another list.

You’re like that woman who can’t just break up and walk away. Got to stand around talkin’ shit until she gets knocked on her ass.

Well…that’s your privilege. Personally, I don’t care if they EVER figure it out. They are literally the walking dead.

bucknp
bucknp

Nice article much of which was my own battle cry some years ago.

Speaking of a wall, it is fact Ron Paul commented a wall not only keeps people out but keeps people in as well.

Hank
Hank

The regime will simply manufacture as many votes as they think they’ll need to maintain the illusion that everyone voted and that they won by a comfortable margin…again

Vote or abstain, it makes no difference. Protest in the street, it makes no difference. What would make a difference? Squeamish people don’t want to hear the answer, it makes them uncomfortable. But I didn’t write the history books.

CCRider
CCRider

I think it’s a pipe dream Hank but I can dream, can’t I?

fujigm
fujigm

Dream a little dream for me.

bidenTouchesKids
bidenTouchesKids

I’m not saying votes count nowadays, but not voting isn’t going to change anything either. Those in power could care less either way as they’ll fabricate the votes no matter what.
IMO, we’ve hit the cartridge box option.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams

Yep. Hence my comment above.

CCRider
CCRider

Much truth in that BTK, tragically.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Good ‘ol bernie.

Always held out. Before dropping out. For personal gain.

Old https://imgflip.com/ when i first started playing with it. Tons of fun. EZPZ.

Was gonna send it to him for his next run.

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Excellent old article.
GREAT idea! “the Former Unionists or FU Party.”
Are Membership Cards available? Not a problem to get the boss to laminate, however it would be icing on the Cake.

CCRider
CCRider

Thank you, Anon. Membership cards? Perhaps in the shape of a middle finger.

Doug
Doug

How about abstaining from voting, banking ,mortgages, build your own house, grow your own food , etc. and go your own way. Look at the Amish. Render unto Caesar, etc.

B_MC
B_MC

Of more than 2500 people who voted on this poll – recognizing that it is unscientific – 99% stated that we do not live in a functional democratic republic.

Do you think we live in a functional democratic republic in which your vote counts?

https://gab.com/PadraigMartin/posts/109316571062283079

Defector
Defector

Republican is fine, if your a millionaire. Democrats is fair, if all you own is what you wear. Neither of them’s really right, cause neither of them care. Frank Zappa.

Leah
Leah

The red count seems to be stuck on 211 as the blue count keeps moving up and up. Glad I didn’t vote harder. Will never vote again.

Lambone
Lambone

The average person (those who are intellectually honest) believe most voters are stupid. But they are the ones who continue to miss the most important point over and over regarding elections. And this explains why we find ourselves mired and bogged down in a hopelessly corrupt society. I’ll add that most free market thinkers are also guilty of this.

Those in the know claim they have no confidence in the wisdom of the average voter. They say the proof of this is obvious due to corrupt idiots being continually elected to office. Well, their observation about electing misfits & criminals is right. The part they get wrong is that all of this is due to voter stupidity. And this is where they fall down and stumble into that tired old mental trap of believing that all of our problems are due to voter ignorance & stupidity. Problem is, that just ain’t so.

People do stupid things all the time, and yes the world seems like it’s filled with dummies. But when it comes to elections, the vast majority of voters are pulling that lever for one important reason, and one reason only: because they stand to benefit from it. Nothing tastes better than a free lunch, and in this day & age most people have become so dependent on free sh_t and preferential treatments that voting for a handout has become the voters top priority. And like Pavlov’s dogs people have been mentally conditioned to behave that way for so long it’s become a habit that’s damn near impossible to break.

So what is the primary reason people vote the way they do? A reliance on govt freebies, greedy self-interest, envy & avarice, and a something for nothing mentality. And they simply don’t give a damn about the consequences. If others are hurt because of their vote, well, that’s just too bad. “Give me my goodies & I want to be at the head of the line, and those who are injured can just learn to live with it because I don’t give a damn.”

I believe the people who think they can persuade others with that kind of mindset are misguided and their efforts are futile. It’s like trying to teach cats not to go after mice. The solution to the problem isn’t one of convincing them to vote for your party or candidate, it’s about educating them on morality & moral behavior.

PSBindy

Ya left one big one (that I notice) out of your voters motive list, lambone.

Virtue signaling.

So many idiots really think the Dems are kind, that they are out to lift the downtrodden, equalize an inherently unfair society and champion those without a voice.

They truly think they are being good.

Simplecarpenter
Simplecarpenter

Educating them on how morality & adhering to moral behavior IS actually in theirs and everyone else’s long term enlightened self interests . Bridge burning , can kicking, Win /Lose conduct have their ultimate limits where it’ll be time to pay the debt in full and what could have been a mole hill is now a mountain ( we always end up paying the price over time as per the universal laws of compensation ) whereas adhering to a golden rule / non agression principle style of conduct accrues positive rather than negative interest over time and the sky becomes the limit . We rightfully could easily be ushering in a new golden age where everyone benefits but for this spirit of ” me over you ” master /slave controller controlled exploiter exploited manipulation mentality . We could easily get there and yet we wont because people have the free will to choose wrongly and there is a “spirit ” in the world that actively works at convincing souls to take what is billed as the easy way out by getting over on others .It seems to me that any attempt to override that reality ultimately seeks to override free will itself and thus becomes a cure worse then the ailment it was meant to address in the first instance . Perhaps that is why as far as I understand most real Christian theologists beleive that salvation or redemtion is strictly an individual rather than a collective pursuit . But of course if I could convince you to see the world and the nature ,meaning and purpose ( there better be one lol )of our existence as I do I’d be hard put to be able to resist the temptation to do so but just hypothetically say I was right , would you truly know “the truth that would set you free “or just be the effect of which I was the cause and therefore bereft of any true understanding ?

empty attic
empty attic

Just a few election thoughts rumbling through the all too empty attic.

One problem is that a libertarian candidate had or any ‘independent’ had is that they are not part of the two funded official parties. In essence they are running against both the RNC and the DNC to try to win a position and be seen. A pretty tough go especially when money is the driving factor along with media attention. Without those things it takes a special providence to win. Ross Perot did pretty well funding it out of his own pocket but he hated George Bush and would rather see Clinton win than George B that he considered a traitor on trade and foreign policy issues. Trump tried taking a page out of that play book.

What was not as readily apparent is that RNC considers all non house brand selected candidates running under the republican name as the same as the independent outsider. They receive no funding, no party support and no attention if they can be pushed off the stage. JEB was their person, or Romney or anyone else but not T.

Trump and the maga movement are independents to the RNC ways of thinking. They are not the selected and approved candidates. So they are perfectly content to run another republican candidate against the trump supported person and split the vote to let the democrat candidate win. That is what happened with ranked choice winners.

The reason is that the RNC owns their house brand. If a particular race is lost then it is just a feature and of no concern. Whether it is lost to a D or to a Trump supported person they tally them both in the loss column. With the additional issue is that a Maga candidate also challenges the ownership of the RNC to the house brand. Well better to lose to a democrat than lose ownership of the house brand.

And that is one of the problems.

Independents have no funding or media support and rarely win. Maga’s are independents to the RNC and they want them to lose most of all even more than losing to the democrats as they at least keep ownership of the house brand.

Maga fights both the RNC and the DNC and the media and the funders who currently own the show. So – good luck. May congressional leadership and RNC die in a festering pile of poo because they would rather rule the poo than lose the ownership of the pile.

Meanwhile Maga runs as republican and dies for lack of support never seeing that the RNC hates them more than the DNC and I would suspect that the RNC and DNC ‘conspire’ to see the Maga punished as we see played out on many stages and arenas.

The current Maga is not a unique case, those with a memory may recall the tea party from a few elections ago. First they ignored it, unfunded it, demonized it in the press and the RNC and then the transformed and gutted it to reuse the name as tea party express for John McCain who clearly was not on the side of those outside of established power. It is just wash, rinse and repeat on a script that has been used once again.

But that is just noises from an almost empty attic.

WilliamtheResolute
WilliamtheResolute

I agree in principal that voting is pointless, it’s just habit these days…a senseless habit. I do, however like the idea of ” driving a stake into the heart of the ruling elite “ but I’m way past thinking of it as a figurative gesture and long for the day it will be literal.

Uncola

Interesting take, CC. Obviously, you were not wrong.

I went back to the original post to see if I commented back in Jan 19. I didn’t, but I remember the thread. It was where El Coyote proposed the idea of starting a “White Votes Matter” movement. Lol

But seriously, here is what E.C. wrote on your thread in 2019:

… I can say that the current situation in tvland is that gringos have abandoned the major networks and their primary viewers are black and browns. This is the constituency of elected officials. They pander to these groups and today we have AOC, BHO and others leading the charge into communism.

That might sound like an argument for voting but looking back at the results of voting for these people shows that votes don’t matter where it really counts; Uncle Ronnie put the kibbosh on unions after Carter deregulated the airlines. Bush brought down the Berlin wall calling for a new world order. Clinton expanded the welfare system, the police state and the decline of the military.

Bush 2 expanded the surveillance state and police power. Obama oversaw the pillaging of the state treasury and indebted the people further. Trump is trying to build a wall to keep taxpaying gringos in. Pretty soon we shall have universal identification to make sure everybody who owes pays into the American system.

I do miss that guy. R.I.P., my online friend.

CCRider
CCRider

We’ve lost some good ones over the years and I miss them also.

Mary Christine

EC was definitely one of a kind and added a lot to our “conversations” here.

Arcayer

The stance that people shouldn’t vote as a form of protest, really needs to address why this is a more effective protest than voting for third parties that have platforms you can actually agree with.

I find the establishment is generally able to present non-voters as “either party is fine” and not “they’re both hopeless”, as the author argues.

Abigail Adams
Abigail Adams

I guess some look at it as a form of protest, but for others it’s simply that they are disenchanted with the process and choose not to participate anymore.

For me, it’s more about principles & not playing the game of choosing the lesser of two evils. Is that where are morally – just choosing the least worst candidate?? Why play that game?

Will not voting solve any problems? I don’t think so. In fact, I think it will get worse…but it needs to happen. Push people to action and let it be…

bucknp
bucknp

It seems the only third parties anymore are the Greens and Libertarian Party. They are both gay. It sucks driving to the polls to cast one vote for a rare independent that may make the ballot. If there is no independent that at least seems to have an independent nature about themselves I suppose I’ll save the gasoline. I’ll apply for mail-in going forward and a good chance it won’t even be mailed in as in I cannot support anybody on any kind of ballot.

Voltara
Voltara

The ruling class will not give up their power over you. All discussion of how the system can be improved is irrelevant. Things will only get worse. There are only two options. Submit or resist.

Mary Christine

I know I’m late but had to visit my FIL who is probably not going to be around any longer. My twitter friend, Rae, says it for me quite well.

Internet desk reference
Internet desk reference

Americans are by nature positive thinkers. We think everything is possible and everything will work out in the end because in the past it always has. This is admirable in normal times but we don’t live in normal times. Thinking that things will go back to normal will be your doom. Things are NOT going back to normal. This is just a temporary respite until the other shoe drops. Americans have never really dealt with evil before. In their minds it’s something that happens somewhere else. They are unprepared.

KaD
KaD
DrewQ
DrewQ

Refusing to participate only amplifies the voices of those who do. At least vote for a 3rd party or write in. That’s a middle finger for each party.
If elections can be salvaged, consider my no vote idea. Each candidate has 2 bubbles next to their name, one yes and one no. You get one vote per office, to vote yes for your favorite or no against your least favorite. No cancels out a yes, winner still takes all.
Beats the pants off RCV…

Anonymous
Anonymous

There should be a “none of the above” or negative vote as DrewQ suggests choice. Set a threshold and if any candidate(s) gets too many NOTA or negs, barred from politics and any government work, FOR LIFE.

The Greeks had Ostracism. We should revive it. It would be slow, but it would clean out the worst, assuming the public are not complete fucking moro……….. Shit. I knew there was a catch.

Scot
Scot

We all know the only solution to tyranny but none of us are willing to implement it.
While combating voter fraud by making voter fraud no longer necessary is a novel idea, I don’t think it will work.

Mark Thompson
Mark Thompson

This is a nice and reasonable PERSONAL concept, but only from the point of view of “striking a personal blow” or in regard to salving your own injury. It will have no broad appeal and certainly not go viral or become a word virus. . In fact, it will have almost have no appeal at all. No matter what is done or said, the same relative proportion of our society will continue to vote. Period.

There are and will be no numbers here to make a movement. It’s the same problem with those who advocate more extreme and efficient measures. While I might agree that extremism works, not 1 in a 100,000 believes that and not 1 in a million will participate in it. For both concepts, microscopic numeric support directly equates to zero numeric support.

Your “supposing” example of taking the Republican voters off the table also suggests that you do not even understand the basic nature of the real problem we face.

So, strike a personal blow in order to make yourself feel better? Yes.
A meaningful or practical idea? Far from it.

Vote harder
Vote harder

Voting between Marxian Socialists or Marxists, I’ll pass.
Nobody votes their way out of clown world and our problems, the western worlds problem will require blood and soil this time for any real change to occur. I don’t make the rules neighbor just along for the ride.
Local, local and again local
Carry on

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