Guest Post by Eric F. Coppolino
Dear Friend and Reader:
Most coverage of the train wreck in Palestine, Ohio is missing one word: dioxin. There were reportedly 14 tanker cars full of vinyl chloride, a precursor to polyvinyl chloride — that is, vinyl. Burning vinyl is the most serious source of dioxin in the environment — whether from trash incinerators, house fires or chemical spills.
While vinyl chloride is a precursor chemical to making PVC, any time chlorinated compounds burn there will be dioxins created. And dioxin is a manufacturing byproduct of any manufacturing process involving chlorine, from “disinfectants” to the bleaching of paper. There was plenty of dioxin in those tanker cars before they caught fire.
This mess of 14 tanker cars (really, many more, but 14 had vinyl chloride) was then set on fire by the government, apparently to make it easier to clear the railroad tracks. This was the worst possible decision. It has turned many, many miles into what should be no-man’s land. But I have not heard of one single test for dioxin being done.
Note that dioxin goes by several other names, including TCDD, and is sometimes abbreviated “2,3,7,8.” Dibenzofurans, or furans for short, are identical in their toxicity but are spoken about less often. Many other chemicals, such as PCBs, are “dioxin-like compounds.”
This Affects a Very Large Region of the Country
This is not a local issue. This massive plume will spread far and wide, and is being blown by the prevailing winds across Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York State, toward the population centers of the northeastern U.S.
And via land and water, the toxins can spread in many directions, via water, soil movement and air (since the prevailing winds are only an average). And the contamination is so serious that even soil tracking will spread significant amounts.
What few people remember is how the town of Times Beach, Missouri was evacuated, purchased by the federal government, leveled and had its zip code removed, from far, far less dioxin contamination. It’s now a state park, though I’m not sure who would want to have a picnic there.
Dioxin Has Been Silenced for a Generation
Dioxin has been out of the news for more than 30 years. Therefore, very few people today have any sense of the problem — including journalists and editors. It is one of the most serously environmental issues, but the background is not known by nearly anyone (and that’s partly why I have posted the history below).
After a series of fraudulent articles in The New York Times that claimed they are as dangerous as sunbathing, the issue disappeared. A federal reassessment of dioxin’s toxicity was stuffed early in the Clinton administration. I cover the reassessment in this 1994 article I wrote for Sierra.
Dioxins are Degradation Byproducts of Chlorine-Based Chemicals
Dioxins and their first cousins furans are compounds created when chlorinated chemicals burn, explode or degrade. They are never made as a product; they are a contaminant and degradation product. They are directly related to PCBs, which are considered dioxin-like compounds.
Dioxins were the extremely toxic component in the Vietnam War-era defoliant Agent Orange. The were at the Love Canal in Niagara Falls; they were the toxin involved in the evacuation and dissolution of Times Beach, Missouri. They are the cause of toxic shock syndrome from bleached paper tampons.
Dioxins are acute toxins on one level. There will be a lot of dead fish and animals in the path of the Ohio plume — and people will get very sick immediately. Kids are extremely sensitive due to their low body weight.
Dioxins are a Hormonal Toxin
But then there is another level of the problem. Dioxins are 1) hormonally toxic and 2) they are extremely persistent and they then build up in the food chain, generally in lipids. They are bioactive. All this BS projected onto viruses is absolutely true for dioxins, though the contagion factor is different (running through families for instance, passed through mother’s milk, affecting whole communities through a toxic release, etc.).
Dioxins are connected to every other toxins issue that ever lived, from DDT to PCBs to Roundup…they are orders of magnitude above in their effects, though it’s worth reading this for some background.
Many PCBs are close enough to dioxins to qualify as such; and PCBs degrade into dibenzofurans (also called furans), which are dioxins with one molecule of oxygen instead of two. Dioxins are never made intentionally; similar toxins are, but dioxin per se is a byproduct of other chemical processes, or a degradation byproduct.
Due to PVC, Plastics Industry is the #1 Polluter
The plastics industry is now the number one dioxin polluter (thanks to polyvinyl chloride), followed by the pulp and paper industry, due to the bleach used to make paper and absorbent paper products white. This is why nobody should ever use low-grade, non-organic paper feminine products. Use something that is not bleached with chlorine.
PVC is burned in every house fire, trailer fire, car fire and in the incineration of municipal and industrial waste. And when that happens, dioxins are created. Dioxins are also a contaimant or byproduct of nearly every chemical process involving chlorine. There have been numerous dioxin scandals over the years (such as involving contamination of Lysol “disinfectant,” Phisohex “antibacterial” soap and many, many others.
Please see my coverage of the most famous dioxin lawsuit, Kemner v. Monsanto, about another train wreck, in Sturgeon, Missouri. In this lawsuit, the ugly truth about dioxin and Monsanto came out into the open.
One Quote is Making it Into Some Articles
There is one accurate quote about dioxin that is making the rounds, in connection to the Palestine disaster:
Neil Donahue, a professor of chemistry at Carnegie Mellon University in nearby Pittsburgh, said he worries that the burning could have formed dioxins, which are created from burning chlorinated carbon materials.
“Vinyl chloride is bad, dioxins are worse as carcinogens and that comes from burning,” Donahue said.
Dioxins are a group of persistent environmental pollutants that last in the ground and body for years and have been one of the major environmental problems and controversies in the United States.
Dr. Lynn Goldman, dean of George Washington University’s School of Public Health, agrees this is a possible risk, but is more concerned about uncombusted vinyl chloride vapors that could be lurking in the immediate vicinity.
“Until there has been a thorough assessment, the soot as well as any other materials should in my opinion be treated as contaminated by vinyl chloride and/or dioxins or other contaminants until proven otherwise,” she said.
Dioxin’s Toxicity is Incomprehensible
Peter Montague, author of Rachel’s Hazardous Waste News, summarizes the toxicity of dioxin in the historical articles below:
How can we express this in terms that people can grasp? Let’s compare it to one single aspirin tablet. One aspirin tablet weighs 5 grains (or 325 milligrams, or 325 trillion femtograms), so to express one “safe” lifetime dose of 2,3,7,8-TCDD, you would take a single aspirin tablet and divide it into 32 million (actually 32,172,218) miniscule pieces. Then one of those tiny pieces would represent one “safe” lifetime dose of 2,3,7,8-TCDD.
That means that the weight of one aspirin tablet is the equivalent lifetime “safe dose” of dioxin for more than 32 million people. This is one reasons why manufacturers don’t want to distill it out of the products where it slips in — they don’t know what to do with it. So they let it go out into the environment, unmitigated.
We will have more on Friday’s edition of Planet Waves FM.
Brief Summary of Dioxin Incidents and Fraud from the Environmental Research Foundation
By Peter Montague, Ph.D. | Link to Original in Rachel’s Hazardous Waste News from March 1991. Peter was sued for libel by Monsanto for these articles. See my coverage.
FOR YEARS, INDUSTRY SCIENTISTS have been claiming there’s no evidence that dioxins cause cancer in humans. Now there is mounting evidence that such claims rely heavily on studies that are fraudulent. Two companies recently accused of producing fraudulent dioxin-and-health data are Monsanto and BASF.
Monsanto
A scientist with U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) says Monsanto falsified data in important studies that Monsanto used to support its claim that dioxin does not cause cancer in humans. Dr. Cate Jenkins, a chemist in EPA’s Office of Solid Waste and Emergency Response, says EPA itself relied upon Monsanto’s fraudulent data in setting health standards for dioxin, and Jenkins has asked the EPA’s Science Advisory Board to reopen the matter of EPA’s dioxin standards, to take a fresh look at available data.[1]
Two important sources of dioxins in the environment are old chemical dumps and the incineration of municipal solid wastes,[2] which is why EPA is concerned about allowable levels of human exposures to dioxin.
BASF
The British technical journal, NEW SCIENTIST, says, “A new analysis by a West German epidemiologist may have established the first clearcut evidence of a direct link between exposure to dioxins and cancer in humans. Friedemann Rohleder, an independent specialist, has produced a report detailing an unexpectedly high incidence of cancer among workers exposed to dioxins during an industrial accident at a chemicals plant in 1953.[3]
“The plant, operated by the West German company BASF, made trichlorophenol. Rohleder claims the company presented the data in a way that disguised the cancers,” says NEW SCIENTIST.
Background
Each of these claims of fraud relates to an industrial accident in which workers were exposed to dioxins; follow-up medical studies funded by the responsible companies have been published in mainstream scientific journals, claiming to show that no excess cancers have occurred in the dioxin-exposed workers. In fact, excess cancers have occurred, but it appears that the data have been manipulated to hide the facts.
The Monsanto Case
In 1949, an explosion occurred at a Monsanto chemical factory in Nitro, West Virginia; as a result, many workers in the plant were exposed to the herbicide 2,4,5-T, which was contaminated with dioxin. (This herbicide was later the principal component of Agent Orange, the chemical defoliant used by the U.S. in Viet Nam.) In subsequent years, two Monsanto scientists, J.A. Zack and R. W. Gaffey, studied the exposed workers, comparing their health against the health of a similar group of workers who were not exposed to dioxin or 2,4,5-T.[4]
According to court documents attached to the EPA memo,”Zack and Gaffey deliberately and knowingly omitted 5 deaths from the exposed group and took four workers who had been exposed and put these workers in the unexposed group, serving, of course, to decrease the death rate in the exposed group and increase the death rate in the unexposed group.”
Other studies of this same accident were also fraudulent, according to the same court documents, including a study by R.R. Suskind published in the Journal of the American Medical Association [5] “This published study of the workers exposed in the 1949 accident reported only 14 cancers in the exposed group and 6 in the unexposed group” (a smaller cohort).
However, the medical records produced [by Monsanto] to the Plaintiffs conclusively prove gross miscalculations and omissions… there were 28 cancers in the group that had been exposed to dioxins in 1949 as opposed to only 2 cancers in the unexposed group.” Mr. Suskind published two other reports [6,7] on the same accident, using his same data, to reach the conclusion that dioxin does not cause cancer.
The BASF Case
On the night of November 17, 1953, a runaway chemical reaction spewed dioxin-contaminated chemicals over workers and community residents of two small German cities, Mannheim and Ludwigshafen. Subsequently, an epidemiological study was used to deny workers any compensation for ailments they claimed they suffered as a result of exposure.
In keeping with German law, the workers retained their own expert to review the data. Their expert, Friedemann Rohleder, received the data from the German government but found, to his surprise, that all the data actually came from the BASF company itself. He analyzed the data and found that some workers suffering from chloracne, which is universally acknowledged to be evidence of high exposure to dioxin, had been placed in the low-exposure or non-exposed group.
He found evidence of “diluting” the exposed group with 20 plant supervisory staff who, Rohleder believes, were not exposed. When Rohleder omitted the 20 supervisory staff, his analysis revealed statistically significant increases in two groups of cancers: cancers of the respiratory organs (lungs, trachea, etc.), and cancers of the digestive tract. “This analysis adds further evidence to an association between dioxin exposure and human malignancy,” Rohleder told New Scientist.
Part Two: Gauging the Toxicity of Dioxin
[Link to Original | Continuing our series on dioxin. Page numbers in parentheses refer to the ATSDR (the federal Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry) Toxicological Profile for dioxin, cited in our last paragraph, below.]
It has become fashionable to pooh-pooh dioxin. We believe there are two reasons why this is occurring. First, some scientists have been publishing studies indicating that humans exposed to dioxin do not have an increased risk of cancer. As we saw in RHWN #171, some of the most important of these studies have now been exposed as fraudulent. The second reason is that dioxin is so toxic that it is difficult to express its potency in normal terms; therefore the media frequently print scary claims without offering much evidence, leading some people to conclude (incorrectly) that there isn’t much substance to any claims about the extreme toxicity of dioxin.
In this series, we hope to lay the groundwork for an understanding of dioxin, to help people put dioxin into perspective. Some of what follows may seem a bit more technical than you are accustomed to reading in this newsletter; but stick with it, and you’ll see why we have taken this approach.
The scientific and medical evidence presented by ATSDR forces us to conclude that dioxin deserves our greatest respect. It seems to be one of the two or three most toxic chemicals ever discovered, and it is produced as a byproduct of several different industrial processes. For years, industry has been dumping dioxin into the environment in large quantities without paying attention to the consequences. This does not mean there have been no consequences; it just means no one has made any systematic effort to tally them up.
Dioxin is a family of chemicals (75 in all) that does not occur naturally, nor is it intentionally manufactured by any industry (pg. 1). The most toxic dioxin is called 2,3,7,8-TCDD. Dioxins are produced as byproducts of the manufacture of some herbicides (for example, 2,4,5-T), wood preservatives made from trichlorophenols, and some germicides (for example, hexachlorophene). Dioxins are also produced by the manufacture of pulp and paper, by the combustion of wood in the presence of chlorine, by fires involving chlorinated benzenes and biphenyls (e.g., PCBs), by the exhaust of automobiles burning leaded fuel, and by municipal solid waste incinerators.
ATSDR says, “2,3,7,8-TCDD is highly toxic to all laboratory animals tested….” (pg. 11). Even the most conservative of toxicologists says, “TCDD has been called the most toxic synthetic chemical known to man. If its acute toxicity to the guinea pig, and even the rat and mouse, is the criterion, the statement is probably correct…. TCDD is unquestionably a chemical of supreme toxicity to experimental animals. Moreover, severe chronic effects from low dosages have also been demonstrated in experimental animals. Therefore, the concern about its effects on human health and the environment is understandable.”[1]
In cases of high exposure of humans through industrial accidents, 2,3,7,8-TCDD causes a severe acne (called chloracne) which is not just a skin ailment; chloracne is a systemic disease that is more disfiguring than teenage acne and its effects last for years (in some cases, decades) after exposure (pgs. 3, 39).
There is “suggestive evidence” that 2,3,7,8-TCDD causes liver damage in humans (pgs. 3, 52-53). It definitely causes severe liver damage in animals.
In animals, 2,3,7,8-TCDD is toxic to the immune system; such effects have not been proven in humans (pgs. 3, 40, 54-56). In animals, 2,3,7,8-TCDD causes reproductive disorders, including spontaneous abortions. Monkeys are particuarly sensitive to reproductive effects from exposure to 2,3,7,8-TCDD. Such effects have not been proven in humans (pgs. 3, 17, 58-59). In animals, dioxin causes genetic damage (pgs. 60-61).
Both the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) have concluded that dioxin is a “probable human carcinogen” (pgs. 7, 61-68, 94). As we saw in RHWN #171, scientists within EPA have asked that this question be reviewed again because some of the key studies of dioxin and cancer were fraudulent, and EPA has relied on these fraudulent studies to set current standards.
How can we judge the toxicity of dioxin (or of any chemical, for that matter)? One way is to look at the standards that have been set by regulatory agencies.
In the case of dioxin, EPA has calculated a “safe” dose, taking into consideration dioxin’s ability to cause cancer. The “safe” dose is expressed in extremely small units: femtograms. There are 28 grams in an ounce, and one femtogram is 0.000,000,000,000,001 grams, or one quadrillionth of a gram, or 10**-15 (or, 10 raised to the power of negative 15) grams.
EPA believes that ingesting (eating) 6.4 femtograms (6.4 x 10**-15 grams) of 2,3,7,8-TCDD per kilogram of body weight per day would cause cancer in one in a million people so exposed (pg. 95). Since an average adult weighs 62 kilograms or 137 pounds (average men weigh 70 kilograms [154 pounds] and average women weigh 55 kg [120 pounds]), the EPA is saying that 397 femtograms of 2,3,7,8-TCDD consumed in food each day would kill one-in-a-million humans so exposed. Over a year’s time, 397 femtograms per day add up to 145,000 femtograms; over a 70-year lifetime, this would add up to 10.1 million femtograms, so 10.1 million femtograms (or 0.01 micrograms) is the maximum amount you could safely get into your body during your entire lifetime, EPA believes.
How can we express this in terms that people can grasp?
Let’s compare it to one single aspirin tablet. One aspirin tablet weighs 5 grains (or 325 milligrams, or 325 trillion femtograms), so to express one “safe” lifetime dose of 2,3,7,8-TCDD, you would take a single aspirin tablet and divide it into 32 million (actually 32,172,218) miniscule pieces. Then one of those tiny pieces would represent one “safe” lifetime dose of 2,3,7,8-TCDD.
Another comparison: A single grain of table salt weighs approximately 0.1 milligrams or 100 billion femtograms, so to get an amount of table salt that weighs the same amount as one “safe” lifetime dose of 2,3,7,8-TCDD, you would divide a single grain of table salt into 9,900 microscopic pieces. One of those tiny pieces would represent a “safe” lifetime dose of dioxin.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has its own way of calculating the same one-in-a-million cancer risk and they believe the EPA has overestimated the hazard by a factor of 10. In other words, FDA believes you could represent a “safe” dose of 2,3,7,8-TCDD by dividing a single grain of table salt into 990 pieces, with one of those pieces representing a safe lifetime dose. The federal Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in Atlanta has done its own calculation, concluding that the cancer hazard from dioxin is about half-way between the EPA’s estimate and the FDA’s estimate. EPA says 6.4 femtograms per kilogram of body weight per day is the safe dose; CDC says the correct number is 27.6; FDA says it’s 57.2 (pg. 95). No matter which agency does the calculation, there’s no escaping the fact that dioxin is considered supremely toxic.
One other way to understand the toxicity of dioxin is to compare the dioxin “reference dose” established by EPA to the “reference dose” they have set for other common toxic materials. The “reference dose” is the highest amount they believe you could eat regularly without incurring any disease (not considering cancer).
The reference dose for dioxin is 0.000,000,001 milligrams per kilogram of body weight per day (mg/kg/day) (pg. 94); the reference dose for the toxic metal cadmium[2] is 0.001 mg/kg/day and the “reference dose” for the toxic metal arsenic[3] is the same as for cadmium.[2] Thus we can see that EPA considers dioxin in food 1,000,000 times (one million times) more toxic than cadmium or arsenic[3], not counting the cancer hazard from dioxin. Yes, dioxin is toxic, no doubt about it.
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My suspicion is direct action.
An attack.
The system is Sampsoning the system.
Same as quake in Turkey with no epicenter, or that strange hurricane in FL.
This is 5th generation warfare. Difficult to understand a primary feature.
Best get used to it.
The 2nd Ammendment is antiquated, of little use in this environment.
What? You gonna shoot a dioxin? Or an mRNA cocktail?
Or you doctor or the train driver or members of the school board.
In this generation of war you will find it very difficult if not impossible to get any significant or “real” enemy in your sights at all.
At best you will be able to defend yourself against desperation manifest in close proximity.
No, guns are much like swords now, very little use in modern warfare.
I don’t understand the down votes here. And it looks like anon below misunderstood you, and then, basically repeated you. So you are in agreement.
In 5th gen warfare, guns lose power overall as a protective device against tyranny. That is what is being said, I think. Maybe there is debate about just how much power is lost. They aren’t obsolete, they have lost some power.
Anyway, guns didn’t change. Tools available to tyrants did. This happens regularly through history as the pendulum of power favors the entrenched a little more here and a little less there, but ALWAYS, favors the entrenched. We are coming off a period of a little less favor for the entrenched that has run, overall and in fits and starts, for the last 500 years or so.
Tools like weather modification, earthquake weapons, and other forms of scalar-electromagnetic warfare are not conspiracy or something. These weapons actually exist and are being used.
The concept has been around for 100+ years. Tesla figured it out. It’s actually a pretty simple concept that, like so many “sci-fi” ideas from the early to mid 20th century, usually only lacked the power source or material sciences know-how to become reality. Well, it’s 100+ years later. Multiple countries have developed the power sources and material sciences to create “sci-fi” weapons. And they are using them.
Similar concepts, using em waves, come into play in Stan Meyer hydrogen vehicle from the 90’s. He used RF generators pulsed signals to create standing waves to break/fracture the bonds between hydrogen and oxygen in H2O. His patents are fascinating. They could have been used for good – imagine the world where we didn’t pay the saudis 20T over the last 50 years…
The scalar weapons do not even take into consideration things like the patent awarded to Dept of the Navy from Salvatore Pais that shows how to build an FTL ship, or things like this:
Published Feb 2019. I believe video shot in 2017.
They have, according to the developer in the video Dr. James Giordano speaking at west point, deployed nano-bots for brain control. Not developed. DEPLOYED.
An educated guess from someone paying attention would be that they were deployed to civpop internationally via the vax and that is exactly why they were doing it the way they were.
Imagine what this chap cannot say.
This shit is extremely spooky – cannot see these weapons or the operators.
Hey Auntie.
YES. Out of control borg.
Whole point was 5th gen warfare comes in many forms. Train-crash-dioxin is satanically clever if it’s a depop event.
The unknown unknowns…yet again!
Rummy…Prescient? Yes.
Asshat Tool? For sure.
Here’s interesting info and commentary on both Nikola Tesla and East Palestine: https://aim4truth.org/
The derailment has a geographic connection with major Internet trunk lines, for one thing, and Vanguard is connected, too.
“Tools like weather modification, earthquake weapons, and other forms of scalar-electromagnetic warfare are not conspiracy or something. These weapons actually exist and are being used.”
Circular holes were visible in many of the WTC buildings after the 2001 attack. Dr. Judy Wood indicated they may have been scalar weapons used. Her book has better pictures, but there are some indications here:
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/world-trade-center-terrorist-attack-aerial-views?assettype=image&sort=mostpopular&phrase=world%20trade%20center%20terrorist%20attack%20aerial%20views&license=rf%2Crm&page=2
Diversity quotas are indistinguishable from hostile action.
http://www.nscorp.com/content/nscorp/en/about-ns/safety.html
Nice video of a Safety First mindset that did not exist in their Operations Management or in their Train Crew(s). It is right to wonder why not.
Commie Infiltration Sapper Programs that redefine standards and merits for the path to leadrership…
Are hostile action.
Biden is playing golf. Hum, can Biden even pick up a golf club?
They just tell him it is a 12 y.o. girl.
Too heavy. More like a 2-4 y.o.
Like they said in the sopranos he might try to fuck it,the golf club that is.
The love of golf might coax some into trying.
Love Canal on steroids.
The THIRSTY GAMES:
“The Coming Water Crisis Will Do the Trick and Get Everyone on Board”
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-thirsty-games-the-coming-water
Yesterday, Palestine, OH. Today, Tucson, AZ.
Who’s next?
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+1 for one of the all time best albums ever.
Anon, This is the non-nuclear version of a dirty bomb. I’m sure they’ve got more planned. It needed so much coverup that they had to play their long-held wild card–UFOs and aliens. But not to worry: they’ve got more wild cards too..
Ever see the TV series “Jericho”? False-flag atomic bomb attack.
Do the “government officials” who ordered the fire have names?
No but they are probably “flamers” lol.
The people making the decisions aren’t as morally culpable as the people ‘carrying out the orders’.
‘Uh, even though I know blowing this fucking tanker car up is a really bad fucking idea, I’m just an order follower so I’m not really responsible for my own actions.’
Wrong, the people giving the orders should hang first.
and addresses?
Cherry Grove and the Pines on Fire Island . Many govt homos there.
Moe, Larry and Curley?
The amount of dioxin that was released into the air from this has to off the charts. If I lived anywhere close to there, I would permanently relocate ASAP.
https://www.planetwaves.net/kemner.html
The author linked to an old article he wrote – from 1999.
It’s worth the read. Monsanto really is the worst US polluter on record based on their dioxin releases that are documented here.
Well, that a fire forms much more complex (aromatic!) molecules such as Dioxins out of pretty simple molecules -in this case Vinyl chloride monomer, from what I understand- is extremely unlikely.
If however the Vinyl chloride is boiled in the tank wagon, by the fire…
It’ll Corexitself.
Joking, sarcastic or ignorant? I did not complete my PhD in synthetic organic chemistry, but I do know that burning can certainly rearrange compounds and create a lot of different reactions besides total combustion. In fact to completely combust requires 1) intense temps, 2) lots of excess oxidizer (oxygen) and 3) long contact times to ensure complete combustion. That’s why the incinerators that are used to dispose of hazardous materials are so long, like a cement kiln.
Rearrange into much more complex molecules, in this case double carbon rings?
And not just by 1-in-a-billion random chance but repeatedly, systematically??
You cannot interpret what I clearly wrote in any way you like, and believe you’re not going to get called out for BS’ing…
It’s one thing to burn the food plants to starve America out…but, the CCP is going to be pissed that these morons polluted the farm land when they invade and conquer..
Solid point, but my impression is the current regime will “burn it all down” before they relinquish power.
Also to the CCP/Davos benefit.
America as a Superpower cannot be allowed.
Vandals are in the open.
Gates will demand $30,000 per acre restitution for all his farmland that has been ruined.
Well there goes what’s left of the food supply.
Plenty of long pig out there
Dioxin contaminated long pig would be a bad idea too.
Black bass out of the crick. Grasshopper for bait. No black bass, eat grasshopper. win/win
Oops, I’m in Texas. Until derailment here, black bass out of crick…
There are about 75000 family farms near the area, 90% family owned plus a huge Amish community.
No wonder they don’t trust us “English”.
They can always go back from where they came. I figured they would be out with sickles slicing flesh and taking names.
WAAAATTTT!!! Say it isn’t so. Bought and paid for ‘scientists’ basing the propaganda on fraudulent studies?? Never happen today because we know they tell us “Its safe and effective”
The experts have spoken and the science is settled. Now get back to work and pay your taxes. It’s your patriotic duty to your country ya know.
20years, my ass! Get the hell out now!.
NO! Those that stupid should be contained. Don’t let the stupid spread.
Basically, “Everything is dying around me. I’ll just wait to see if things get worse. Oh look, The View is on.”
Finally …. people are asking the right questions.
WHERE did the toxic plume go ?
Wind speed and direction mapping over several days will show where the fallout went.
Large portions of Ohio ( North of spill ) and Pennsylvania ( East ) will be contaminated.
This is KNOWABLE. Do not let them pretend otherwise !!!
Some wind pattern info here – @TheLastRefuge
The Conservative Treehouse . com
Seveso, Italy 1976: 1 kg (about 2 lbs) of dioxin spilled. 80000 animals culled to prevent the toxin entering the food chain.
Expect millions of chickens, cow, rabbits and pigs slaughtered culled in the next few months. Plus, large areas declared unsuitable for farming by government decree.
This chapter of the war against We the people targeted the Amish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seveso_disaster
I cannot bear it…
The major shareholders of the rail company are… Blackrock, Statestreet, and Vanguard. The same outfits who own most of the corporate fast food media companies. They are “Vewy, Vewy, Quiet on this. Can’t figure out why?!?
They realize they have targets on their back,that’s why.
In a judicial sense of course!
Warren Buffet has quite an interest in railroads, BNSF being one. Don’t know he has stock in Norfolk. Search: does Berkshire Hathaway own stock in Norfolk Southern Railway?
Yeppers, “they” are all in this together.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=3550477&page=1
Your watershed map is deceptive. Toxins don’t move upstream or upwind. Downstream ,yes and this IS an unbelievably stupid mistake.
Mistake.. Nope.
Its profits over safety, and thats no mistake.
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But couldn’t fish, turtles, water snakes, and other aquatic creatures and hairy mammals like racoons carry then upstream? lol
I get what you say about the watershed.
The smoke of the fire travels, fallout happens somewhere, rain washes the stuff into the ground, then the toxins travel with the water. You’re welcome.
When asking the hard direct questions on camera has some blowhard dickwad forcing you out of the room and Ohio state police arrest you tells the REST OF THE STORY !
Those LEO’s helping to cover up the facts and arresting people for demanding direct answers are the real criminals !
Perhaps when these alleged public servants get home and their dog is dead in the back yard and a family member is throwing up blood and shitting themselves perhaps they too will want answers !
FUCKEM ! Let them all be held to account NUREMBERG STYLE
More crimes against humanity.
In a war, of which we are in, mostly innocents are killed and displaced. The prevailing winds are eastward if I understand it correctly, towards NY and Penn. Cesspools or politicals and corruption.
Perhaps when people start dying horribly the people will rise up against their overlords. lol, who am I kidding? They’ll demand more govt controls and committees will spring up to ‘get to the bottom of this’.
No amount of deaths will suede the People into action against the govt as we’ve witnessed every day this last three years and the scamdemic. The People will cry and beat their chests and ask govt for more chains please.
Govt’s are the merchants of death, plain as day for all to see, and yet the people cry for more govt.
Here’s a link to the plume map as of Feb. 8:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpBCQyKaQAAD9o_?format=jpg
Look here, I’m a card carrying conservative Republican since 1963. I’m heavily invested for over 50 years in the chemical industry including insecticides and any number of household and industrial cleaning products. I rub elbows with the finest people in government. I don’t see any problem at all dumping used motor oil on the ground. I don’t get the hysteria over the “environment”.
I’m invested some $100 million in the chemical industry and obviously acquainted with hundreds of pesticide companies. All this talk about “pollution” is only lies. One pesticide company owner told me in 2012 his wife, a highly educated chemist said all the concern about toxins in food, water, the air we breathe etc. is BS. The wife chemist says corporations meticulously test any new product for as many as ten years for possible “environmental” impacts before releasing for government or public use. Depending on the contract, little to none are found.
I’ve fought the tree hugging liberals for many years. All this talk about the “dangers” of PCB, DDT, Roundup, Agent Orange, all BS. Poisoning people in Anniston with PCB? Total propaganda. Tree hugging liberals are hell bent on ruining my livelihood. The lawsuits costing chemical manufactures millions and lining the pockets of greedy law firms is ruining capitalism as I also invest heavily in a number of law firms.
Something has got to be done with the tree hugging liberals. What they don’t get is the “tradeoffs” in an industrialized , capitalistic arrangement. Try wiping your rear with a Spotted Owl.
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are you fun’n us?!?!?
Certainly.
Don’t use white coffee filters. Those fortunate enough to work for companies that provide coffee makers utilizing white coffee filters have been poisoned for years.
Some people will live to 80 and beyond, some won’t. All will have been poisoned. It’s part of the “tradeoff”.
Actually no. Fuck Republicans. The owner of the pesticide company and his chemist wife are Republicans. True story…ten years before any chemical is released to government or the public. Believe that? I don’t. But you know, the “tradeoff”. Just how it is.
You didn’t catch the “/s” at the end? That means sarcasm.
Apparently at least 11 others didn’t either.
Funny. Perhaps the downers stopped at card carrying conservative Republican since 1963. But then a Republican would not stop there would they especially since many Republicans I’ve known talk in similar fashion about tree huggers, the “environmentalists”. Seriously the owner of the pesticide company explained to me exactly what his chemist wife explained to him, chemicals tested ten years before release. And for those that don’t get the “tradeoff” ( surely they do) there is absolutely no untruth the fact making money as in the bottom line is a similar theme as “casualties of war”. People have discussed the fact for much longer than anyone here has lived.
Palestine Ohio a town for sale take your kids there and have a fish and chicken fry picnic on the grass . The fish and chicken are ready to cook and the vinyl Chloride Fire is still hot enough . Be sure to instruct your family to take deep breaths while they collect the dead fish on the banks and dead chickens in the abandoned farm property ALL YOU CAN EAT !
You should be fine just ask yourself
RIP Bucknp
I’d never take my family north of the Red River, ass-hat. 🙂
I am not seeing anything in the media about dioxins being released from the fire. This is the first I have seen it. Pretty scary stuff.
Bet you have not thought about Ukraine for over 30 minutes, right?
Z-day is soon and like D-day was the end of the German Nazis, Z-day will be the end of the UNazis. If We The People of the US do not make amends with Russia and Europe for the Sanctions, sabotage of the Nordstream Pipelines, the Ukraine Coup and War, etc, then we invite the same Hell March here.
Dioxin leaches into your coffee from coffee filters. Use brown, unbleached ones. After cooking your bacon, DO NOT place it on paper towels to absorb the grease. Dioxin is a fat-soluble chemical, and has literally been used by Russian agents for chemical assassination. I studied this chemical shit in my hippie days a decade ago. Dioxin will absorb right into your bacon. Find a better spot to place your cooked bacon, please.
🙂
What have we here? A smug, hipster libertarian? is that even a thing?
Are u mad that I was raised by leftists, and overcame my programming to become one of the most relevant intellectuals of the contemporary right wing?
lol. oh god. i cant even begin to contemplate the possibilities. giddyup peasant. I hope your america burns.
I f you are addressing me I don’t know you and no idea you may have been raised by goats. Just saying.
I studied it 4 decades ago and I shit hippies.
Some people spilled and burned some things …..
Per the Ohio Dept. of Natural Resources, “There is a plume of chemicals in the Ohio River, moving downstream near Huntington, West Virginia, right now”
This guy gets it.
When you slowly increase the water temperature, the frog doesn’t realize that it’s being boiled.
They’ve put it on high. The cadence of mission is now double time.
Awake yet?
Wow; didja see those Chiefs whoop up on the Eagles? Go team!
…everybody here is watching the parade right now:(
Who?
Just like elections, rigged.
The one word I haven’t seen anywhere in ANY of the reporting on this situation:
“accident”.
Can someone explain the thinking here.
They were afraid of an explosion , so they set it all ON FIRE ???
Chances are 50:50 that the head nig in charge that day-the one with rainbow colored hair-read the wrong chapter in the manual. It has promised to do a better job NEXT time.
Maybe rainbow accidentally fried the railroad frog (legs) on that route in the vicinity?
Diversity Bridge Is Falling Down, My Fair Lady
Page 1:
Page 2:
Head of the EPA is a Figure Head Diversity Puppet, what do you expect.
The reason for setting the whole thing on fire is very simple – Cost of Cleanup. Whatever the percentage of chemical that is “disposed of” by burning reduces the amount that will flow out onto the ground and any toxic chemical that spills on the ground has to be contained, collected, and disposed of at a secure toxic dump site which for a spill of that magnitude the cost would be astronomical, the cost of cleanup of the pollutant that is dispersed into the air thru burning – ZERO.
So if I am afraid of a robbery can I robb? When does Buttiplug get the ax? Where’s the fucking accountability? I am seeing none for the fucking leftist scourge. Fuck the Republicans that say there is any. It only exists for the poor and right wing atm.
It was too dangerous to work in and very expensive to clean up so they set it on fire.
Precision railroading! LOL
USSA Transportation Department under sec’y Buttiplg is on it like white on rice.
Hoping the train wreck was not a vaxxident or it could have been worse.
(We are not only being mocked but actively poisoned from environmental and often injectable substances known to be hazardous to your health.)
Wait until they roll out the new strain of eggs. They wouldn’t hide their favorite vaccine in eggs, would they?
In the old days, as a Trainman, I’ve rode in the Caboose and one of my duties was as the train went through a curve, I’d go to the side I could see the cars for a half mile and look for hotboxes; if any wheel bearing was hot, it would smoke. I’d alert the Engineer and we would stop the train and investigate. Trains are so long that the Cab Crew cannot see the rear cars. All the functions of Cabooses and the rear Trainman were replaced with technology. If a hot box goes undetected long enough, there is a train wreck. PS: I learned in Genetics Classes that Dioxin like molecules can insert anywhere in the DNA Chain and disrupt any Gene, causing any mutation.
Wondering if Old Joe grew up next to a Delaware Dioxin plant?
Would not matter. Apparently the crew knew from sensors and were instructed to continue on anyway.
Even if there was a caboose, they would have been told to ignore the flaming bogie and continue on anyway.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-train-derailment-video-sparks-flames-well-before/
So much for the sensors…
Wow just damn, great post; if I saw that , I’d immediately blow the air brakes to apply full emergency stop of the train and then notify the Engineer why. Somebody(s) needs to go to jail for this. PS: They were in a town with plenty of spur track and places to drop the bad car; they did not need to proceed half a mile with it.
Same thing (officially DIDN’T) cause a massive fire in BC in 2021.
Lytton BC, and giant chunks of the province, were burned to nothing. The video of a train going through town spewing sparks onto grass during the hottest summer EVER (near 50c) in BC, were not considered as contributing.
“they did not need to proceed half a mile with it”
More like 20 miles, from what I’ve read.
Right, that was beyond stupid; that was criminal. That car should have been left on a siding or repaired ; definitely not pulled over a few mph a short distance. The people that ordered the car pulled 20 miles at speed and the people that did it committed a crime.
rhs, you formerly with a railroad likely you had “safety meetings” at the beginning of each shift. I recall those every morning. Do you ever recall discussions about train/vehicle accidents and how families of the deceased would question why the train did not stop? Different subject, I recall the orientations in which an instructor pointed out a typical train, forgetting how many cars he mentioned, traveling 50-60mph would require almost one full mile to come to a complete stop in an emergency. That is why trains cannot stop for people that make a poor decision in trying to “beat the train”. Some sad stories the instructor mentioned.
I’m not an expert. We did not have safety briefings; we had a office area for coffee before the shift with a bulletin board; no TV, no computer. I think Americans were a lot smarter back then and fewer stupid accidents trying to beat a train blasting its’ horn about a mile before a grade crossing. You’d suppose I’d know how far appx but I don’t; it’s going to vary a lot; I’ve made many emergency stops and it is always 100s of yards. Sometimes trains were 300 cars and on strait-a-ways, we did 90 mph; brakes are on every car so even those trains stop pretty quick; a full mile would surprise me.
You go back a ways. When I worked network support in modern times for a railroad they had devices (forget the name) all along the tracks that sense the heat in a wheel and the info broadcast to those that monitored such. It was a big deal if someone did not catch the alerts.
Hot Box. Checks passing train bogies for abnormal heat.
This was not an “accident”. Might not have been intentional to cause a crash, but someone ordered the crew to ignore the Hot Box alarm.
Add in that tracks are not being maintained properly, weighs and volumes are above what the lines are intended to carry and strings are longer. Profits over safety. seem right no?
Definitely something is rotten with this RR to ignore a Hotbox on a long train especially hauling hazardous materials. Congress should dig deep to find out exactly who and why.
The “does not occur naturally” part ain’t quite so. I clay mine used for cat litter a number of years ago was found to have dioxin in the clay. A huge amount of money was spent trying to determine the source of contamination. The dioxin was found to be naturally in the clay and not introduced by people. That does high-light the fact that the stuff can last for millions of years, however.
I mined clay for Oil-Dry Corp in Oclocknee Ga, hard work but worked my way into a Lab Tech position for two years at good pay and benefits.
I feared 2023 was going to be a TERRIBLE YEAR……………………………………………
1) WWIII Starting 2nd YEAR!
2) DC and Bidet even more CRAZY, every DAMN day!
3) White Genocide Continues Unabated!
4) Continuing Sudden Deaths from the Clot Shot!
5) Ohio Train Wreck America’s Worst Ever ECO DIASTER &
INEPT Idiots in CHARGE of CLEANUP!
ALL DOUBT REMOVED on HOW 2023 WILL PROGRESS!
Right? And it’s only mid February.
And while only 2023 it’s almost as though primaries are here. Does the shit ever stop?
No, the black Atty Gen of Georgia (think Stacy Abrams) is going to prosecute Trump and a bunch of his people , and Ga Gov Kemp, for trying to over throw the 2020 election (because a crooked Atlanta grand jury she formed said the election wasn’t crooked but Trump Inc and Kemp are crooked). The Atlanta Ga bureaucracy has been taken over by Satan, and if my daughter didn’t live and work there, I’d wish a meteor the size of Stone Mountain would hit the center of Atlanta at 100,000 mph.
Better Living Through Chemistry.
DuPont. Many (many) years ago, my uncle, who worked for DuPont, died of cancer. I was only about 4, so I don’t know the details, but I have wondered if the cancer was caused by whatever he was working on. I think this is where he worked….
DuPont to pay $670 million to settle C8 lawsuits
Moody’s lawyers argued that DuPont covered up that the chemical C8, also known as perfluorooctanoic acid, was toxic. The chemical spewed into the air and Ohio River from DuPont’s Washington Works plant south of Parkersburg, West Virginia, since the 1950s. The lawyers said the company knew since 1980 that it caused cancer in rats.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/courts/2017/02/13/dupont-to-pay-670-million/22468972007/
” PUBLIC RELATIONS ” firms are big business.
‘ The bad Iraqis are stealing baby incubators from Kuwait , leaving newborn infants on the cold floor ….. SOB !! ‘ …… sold to congress as ‘ intelligence’ ” Fact ”
Iraq has WMD’s …. Colon Powell
Book title – ” Toxic Sludge Is Good For You “
They sponsored an old ride at Disneyland and their catch phrase at the time was “rearranging molecules for the benefit of mankind.”
Ahhhh….yes …remember it well.
The voice is the same guy who did “The Outer Limits” TV program.
Check out how white and well dressed everyone is.
Ride starts @ 4:25
Dang straight, the “tradeoff”. A few lives for an extra peso.
Come to Texas and these type derailments will never happen. That’s the idea, “fake” claims , millions more come to Texas, then, BAM!
I remember after 9/11 Christine Todd Whitman said the air quality was fine at ground zero.
How many thousands have died because of that lying cunt.
SSDD. it is all one big Darwin/IQ test.
Can’t figure out Honey Pie/Life Partner (MBA/JD). She watches “Zulu” every day (the Rorke’s Drift Attack) but chides me on everything Khazarian (she waa a big financial services exec in ATL)
The air , water and fallout zone are safe, the fish and peoples pets all just ‘ Died Suddenly ‘
#EastPalestine
Jacob – @RaleighFam
I recorded the entire live broadcast of the East Palestine disaster. This footage is now missing from the media, Share It so it’s not forgot! This is an hour plus condensed into 19 seconds #EastPalenstine #ohio #disaster #ChernobylOhio #Chernobyl
“INDOOR” pets in East Palestine, Ohio are now dying. ~Fox News
@NineNewsNancy
Literally, what will be the fallout?
Particulates into Pennsylvania, Upstate New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Canada, and more?
Some on this blog could be affected. Hopefully not. Let’s pray they won’t be.
No worries, just like Fukushima death water, dilution is the solution…..
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Or like the gulf oil spill, too, maybe. The media said “death and destruction forever” but it just emulsified in the water like teardrops in rain.
Maybe the plume will visit the Kanaydian capital of Ottawa and linger over Turdeau’s place for a fortnight or so.
I’m down with that
Palestinians and Jews have been fighting since the 1940s.
…but seriously, what shameful destruction.
These incompetent creeps are on a tight schedule. It’ll be coming to each and every one of us sooner rather than later.
And man made Israel was a dupe in ’48.
[comment below was lifted from https://gatesofvienna.net/2023/02/toxic-disaster-in-east-palestine/%5D
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress on February 13, 2023 at 9:51 pm said:
Those air brake systems used on trains were designed by Westinghouse more than a century ago.
I used to work for BNSF as a machinist (mechanic) and getting the air to work properly over the entire length of a 6000’+ train with hundreds of gaskets was a challenge whenever the temperature dropped. The gaskets would freeze and harden and leak air, water in the air lines (because it wasn’t allowed to use any kind of dehumidification system for the compressed air) would freeze and restrict air flow resulting in brakes not setting up or being very slow to set.
The system wasn’t designed for trains of the length that are commonly ran today, and the moneygrubbers at BNSF had started running trains doubled up to cut out multiple train crews, which meant trains more than two and a half miles long. In subzero temperatures, the compressors have a very difficult time compressing air in the brakepipe over those kinds of distances. But the dividend checks are undoubtedly quite good and Lord knows Warren Buffet needs another few billion to add to his stash.
The problem of brakes not setting or releasing got so bad at my location that a special team was sent out to observe processes and take back recalcitrant air brake valves for disassembly and inspection. It was determined that they were exceeding the life expectancy of the item and the rubber parts wearing prematurely from excessive cycles, causing moisture to get into the valve spaces and freeze, or something like that. I don’t know what the fix was since around that time the overreaction to the CCP virus started and BNSF decided to use the initial drop off in demand from lockdowns as an excuse to do what they had wanted to do for some time but couldn’t because of unions and close facilities and slash workforces so Mr Buffet could pocket another couple billion dollars. So that was that for my employment but I imagine little was done to fix the issues. When Mr Buffet and his fellow monegrubbers die and go to hell I will pray that that besides being burned for all eternity in a lake of fire, the infinite demons and minions of Satan will sodomize them without end with all of their ill-begotten billions.
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So for those blaming the Trump administration for not implementing this proposal, there are valid technical reasons it was decided not to do so.
Quite interesting. My RR tenure was as a “white collar” network support type sitting behind 6 computer monitors so other than the orientation after employment I had no experience the mechanical parts of the train industry. I was familiar with much RR terminology but would not know a train air line from a hole in the ground.
Your post fortifies what I have mentioned and it’s just the way it is , “tradeoff”. I’ve heard many times one must take risks in order to “make money” so there we have it. Some die so I can eat caviar. Nothing changes the theme.
Interesting, I know train braking systems well; we didn’t have cold like that in Florida but I lived in N. Dakota 5.5 years and Nebraska 2 years and they did, and no primary air brake system functioning on a highball train would be deadly. Maybe have some hook rip each air hose apart as it passed.