The Tragedy of Socialist Insecurity

Guest Post by Eric Peters

The real tragedy of Socialist Insecurity is just that.

Many of those forced to “contribute” all their working lives to this socialist wealth transfer scheme could probably have retired – in the sense of not having to work – well before reaching SS retirement age and not been dependent upon SS in their retirement.

And so independent of the government.

Instead, generations have been made into elderly – but ferocious – defenders of the government. Don’t touch my Social Security! say elderly conservatives.

They then wonder why leftism continues to advance . . .

The moral argument against socialism is self-evident. It is immoral to take what isn’t yours – and Social Security does exactly that, except worse. It persuades the taker that he has “contributed,” when in fact he has been taken. Financially as well as psychologically.

First, he is required – is forced – to hand over money, in most cases before he has even held it in his hand. His “contributions” are “withheld” – that is, deducted without his consent – from every paycheck, if he earns one. If not – if he is self-employed –  he is obliged to actually hand over the money – 15 percent of every dollar, now – which is a “contribution” in the same way that you are a “customer” of the agency that enforces the taking, should you elect not to “contribute.”

Second – and worse – he is led to believe (and often, allows himself to believe) that he actually did “contribute” to an annuity of some kind; that “his” money is gathering interest/investment income in an account somewhere, with his name on it. This enables him to feel not defrauded – and defensive.

Don’t touch my Social Security!

That anyone still believes that SS is some kind of annuity they’ve “contributed” to is almost as tragic as the fact that there are still people who believe “masks work.”

Yet some do believe it – or allow themselves to pretend they do – so that they can think of themselves as other-than-defrauded and be ok with others having to pay for it. This latter being the chief evil and perpetuator of the evil of Socialist Insecurity. Each defrauded generation is egged-on to support the defrauding of the generations behind it, having been rendered dependent upon them for “their” Social Security.

And so we come to the insecurity aspect of it.

If, instead of having been forced to “contribute” 15 percent of every dollar they earn (up to about $160,000 annually, after which the “contributing” ceases) over decades of their working lives, people had been left free to save and invest their money instead, most of them would still have their money – and more. They would, accordingly, never end up dependent upon government alms – paid for by victims of government. They could retire sooner, too – if they wanted to – because they would not have to keep on working to pay their bills.

Some rough math will make the point.

A person who earns $60,000 annually is forced to “contribute” about $9,000 annually (a calculator is here, if you’re interested). Over say 25 years of “contributing,” that person will have been defrauded of $225,000.

What might a person have done with that money if it had not been taken from him?

Among other things, he would have had a lot more money to work with, while he was working – and so been less dependent upon credit – and debt – to pay for things he needed and could otherwise have afforded to buy. A new roof for his house, for example. Or improvements to it, which would increase the value of it so that when it came time to sell it, he’d get more money for it.

Which would not go to pay off debt but rather go in his pocket.

He would have been able to take advantage of opportunities to make money, as by purchasing something – like land – that would likely increase in value, perhaps substantially. Or by having the money to start a business that makes more money.

Capitalism. As opposed to socialism. 

Independence. As opposed to dependence.

He might have been able to buy a car outright rather than have to finance it – with the result being not having to come up with hundreds of dollars each month for the next six or seven years to pay for it. Instead, he could pay himself – putting money in savings or investing it.

He would earn interest on it, in that case. His money would make more money. How much money would he have in savings if he simply did just that and put aside the entire $9,000 each year in a savings account each year for 25 years? Each year, the principle increasing and so also the interest?

At the end of 25 years – only 25 years! – it is probable the person who put aside $9,000 each year would have a lot more than $225,000 in his account – which would be just that. He would not have to degrade himself by applying for Social Security. Nor by the ugly knowing his retirement was being financed by the “contributions” of young workers forced to “contribute” not to their own retirement, but to his.

Neither of them having any more right to what they’re eventually doled out than a beggar at an alms house.

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30 Comments
Melty
Melty
February 25, 2023 2:36 pm

Yup always hearing that SS is going to be bankrupt in the future yet nothing said about welfare benefits being at risk…ever

Save for years and accumulate say 1 million. Well since FJB has come along that will get you about the same now as 750K in just 2 years time due to all the money printing. Bought breakfast this morning and got shocked. What used to be $9 is now $12.

Empty
Empty
  Melty
February 25, 2023 2:48 pm

Then, we just go on welfare. As if. Don’t worry, Armageddon is coming soon anyway.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Empty
February 25, 2023 4:36 pm

Or U.B.I. It just goes from bad to worse, doesn’t it? With every kick of the can.

m
m
  Melty
February 25, 2023 5:17 pm

Nobody’s welfare benefits are at risk! Only their purchasing power.

Anthony Aaron
Anthony Aaron
  m
February 27, 2023 12:39 am

Welfare benefits (i.e., SNAP) increase according to a higher CPI formula than Social Security benefits do … increasing by about 1.4x what Social Security benefits do for a given year.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
  Melty
February 26, 2023 8:45 am

The key to saving SS/Medicare is to turn them into welfare programs so they will never be in danger of running out of funds. /s

The True Nolan
The True Nolan
February 25, 2023 3:43 pm

I am receiving SS and while I don’t see it as an entitlement, I view it more as “clawing back” some of the wealth that was stolen from me over so many decades. Would I end the program tomorrow if I could? Yeah, actually I would. It would leave me with a tightened belt, but at least my son and my grandkids could keep a little more of their own stuff.

Back when Ron Paul was running for President, he got some bad press because some “bad” guy, (a reputed neo-Nazi or White supremacist, or something, I don’t remember) donated money to his campaign. The MSM screamed, “GIVE THE MONEY BACK! You should NEVER accept money from a Nazi!” Ron kept the money: “Why should I give the money back? If the guy is as bad as you say, isn’t it better that I spend the money instead of giving him more funds to work with?!”

Money, even governmental money is fungible. There is no way to separate my SS payments from taxes collected, from Bonds sold, or even from off-the-books fiat creation. What I DO know is that they stole a crap load of money from ME, and if it is going to be spent somewhere (and it always is) then it does a lot more good in my hands than anywhere else.

did NOT even read the article. Yet. bedtime...
did NOT even read the article. Yet. bedtime...
  The True Nolan
February 25, 2023 11:19 pm

…but Your post caught my 👁.

“I view it more as “clawing back” some of the wealth that was stolen from me over so many decades.”

Been a minute, been wrong before. Seem to recall “Average” recipient recoups ALL individual + “Employer” contributions…5 – 7 Yrs?

SCAM from the Git-Go, IMHO. 1st UBI.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 25, 2023 3:47 pm

The Gov. took my hard earned money under threat of legal action and then they “give” it back when it’s worth a fraction of what it was when they took it? They dole it out as they see fit?
It’s our money and we WANT IT BACK you fucking parasites!
In what way could that be an illegitimate attitude to have?!
We know the system is bankrupt. We know it’s a Ponzi. We know there are more people taking out of it then putting in. We know the young are going to get screwed, but maybe they will realize this before their productive life is over and they can do something about it.
SS is involuntary! Not our fault!
How old is this guy? I went to his website…new cars, new bikes, classic cars, WTF ?

Llpoh
Llpoh
  Anonymous
February 25, 2023 4:53 pm

It’s your money and you want it back? Bwahahahaha! Stop it, you are killing me. Next, you will be wanting your tax dollars back, your property taxes back, the tax on gas, etc.

Here is a clue – they spent is. And…… it’s gone.

Anything you are getting is coming out of the pockets of the young. And that defines immoral.

49%mfer
49%mfer
  Llpoh
February 25, 2023 8:43 pm

Anything you are getting is coming out of the pockets of the young. And that defines immoral.

Shit, we’re to the point where it’s coming out of the pockets of the unborn. And since the only people breeding are niggers and other mud people, I wouldn’t be putting to much hope in “muh social security.”

m
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  Llpoh
February 26, 2023 4:00 am

And again Llpoh manages to overshoot all bullshitting scales:

“Anything you are getting is coming out of the pockets of the young. And that defines immoral.”

Immoral even if its their own children, which they’ve born and raised??
Try to use exact speech.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Llpoh
February 26, 2023 10:32 am

You know what they say, right?

PAY BACK IS A REAL BITCH.

Did you think YOUR spawn would get a pass?

Never gonna Happen.

Faux Plastic Forest; Trees. Highly...
Faux Plastic Forest; Trees. Highly...
  Anonymous
February 25, 2023 11:26 pm

“How old is this guy? I went to his website…new cars, new bikes, classic cars, WTF ?”

…Inflammable. VERY volatile.

Anonymous
Anonymous
February 25, 2023 4:08 pm

Clicked on his name: Eric Peters Autos….WTF ??

World War Zero
World War Zero
  Anonymous
February 25, 2023 7:00 pm

Newbie. Mr. Peters isa gouda guy to me. You no mess with.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
February 25, 2023 4:40 pm

I’ll start drawing this summer, so all you plebs keep working another seven years so I can break even. After that, I don’t give a shit what happens to Uncle Sugar one way or the other. For now? He owes me.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The Central Scrutinizer
February 25, 2023 4:58 pm

Unfortunately “he” isn’t the one paying SS. That would be the struggling young. Glad you don’t care what happens to them, so long as you get what you consider yours.

The world really has gone to shit when even folks like you, who generally understand most things, don’t realize that older generations have as a primary moral responsibility not to fuck over the young. As long as you get yours, fuck them. It really is symptomatic of a society in terminal decline.

I want you to get yours. It just shouldn’t be at the expense of the young. When societies do that, it is over for them. And the US has done it for a very long time now.

Llpoh

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
February 26, 2023 1:54 am

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Anonymous
February 26, 2023 10:21 am

Oh. You mean those weak vegan freaks with the green hair and nose piercings?

Yeah. Fuck ’em. It’s their turn to be robbed by their false god.!

Perfect Stranger
Perfect Stranger
  The Central Scrutinizer
February 25, 2023 5:14 pm

I’m clocking in for you buddy.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Perfect Stranger
February 26, 2023 10:23 am

You da Man! I look forward to buying you a beer with your neighbor’s money!

World War Zero
World War Zero
  The Central Scrutinizer
February 25, 2023 7:07 pm

@TCS
Congrats and all, but you do realize govt PR will blame YOU (and me) for the starving Kids insolvent Leviathan State and leave us hanging in the wind as targets of their confused ire? There will surely come a Uniparty sponsored bill to put local names, addresses, and soc-sec compensation on a post office register. Full disclosure and all that.

Don’t think fedgov loves you for a lifetime of hard work and timely filing of papers. That’s why they have armed IRS agents.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  World War Zero
February 26, 2023 10:25 am

That’s why they have armed IRS agents.

Exactly why I’M armed as well. Glad we’re all on the same page.

Let the games begin, and may the odds be ever in MY favor!

In war, the odds always favor the defender. It’s all the wonderful little Easter Eggs we leave for the aggressors. I mean, who doesn’t love a surprise, right?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  The Central Scrutinizer
February 26, 2023 1:51 am

Technically it’s the banking families that own our federal system that owe you and all of us. Goodvluck breaking even b4 civil war 2 and armageddon .

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer
  Anonymous
February 26, 2023 10:29 am

Technically, the world is a bus station and I’m just waitn’ on the bus. If I can beat the shit out of the pickpockets while I wait…so much the better.

BabbleOn
BabbleOn
February 25, 2023 5:39 pm

Inheritance Tax is untenable. Why pay tax cause you died before you passed it on……

World War Zero
World War Zero
  BabbleOn
February 25, 2023 10:19 pm

That is why 1 percenters set up Trusts for their spawn.

TN Patriot
TN Patriot
February 26, 2023 8:44 am

In 1972, my Econ professor spent an entire class showing the numbers to prove that SS would be out of money during our lifetime. It was quite eye opening in seeing the similarities to a Ponzi Scheme, but the magnitude is phenomenal due to the government’s ability to force “contributions”.

I like Eric’s Venn diagram.

WilliamtheResolute
WilliamtheResolute
February 26, 2023 12:03 pm

We are now a Socialist nation, we are dependent on Ponzi schemes for our money, health care and retirement…our failing entitlement programs will end like the dollar, they will all burn. They will burn along with our cities when the SNAP cards stop working, the banks close, store shelves go empty and martial law is imposed…unleash the cabals hole card…Civil War.