Top Ten Quotes from the NYT Fauci Interview

By Jeffrey A. Tucker

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Billed as the most in-depth interview yet, the New York Times published a very long piece that contains some rather startling admissions, claims, and defenses from Anthony Fauci, the face of lockdowns and shot mandates.

The author and interviewer is David Wallace-Wells, who before (and now after) Covid specialized in writing about climate change, invokes every predictable trope. So there was a sense in which this interview was a lovefest between the two. Still it netted some interesting results.

Here are my top-ten picks of Fauci quotes.

1. Fauci: “Something clearly went wrong. And I don’t know exactly what it was. But the reason we know it went wrong is that we are the richest country in the world, and on a per-capita basis we’ve done worse than virtually all other countries.”

This seems promising but one quickly realizes that there is an axiom among the people responsible for lockdowns. They were completely correct in their thinking. The problem was not enough centralization, prior planning, or resources. Also there was too much disinformation and non-compliance, leading to a low vaccine uptake compared with other countries. The vaccines are the miracle and the greatest achievement of the pandemic, a point on which they admit no argument.

This is also the conclusion of a thing called The Covid Crisis Group (funded mostly by the Charles Koch and Rockefeller Foundations) which has released the new book Lessons from the Covid War: An Investigative Report. There is no PDF. You have to buy it. The lead author is the well-known fixer Philip Zelikow, who wrote the 9-11 Commission report. Included among the team is none other than Carter Mecher, who bears more responsibility for school closings than anyone else. Also there is Rajeev Venkayya, the one-time Bush administration official who is widely credited with having invented the very concept of lockdowns.

It’s their story and they are sticking to it.

2. Fauci on vaccine mandates: “Man, I think, almost paradoxically, you had people who were on the fence about getting vaccinated thinking, why are they forcing me to do this? And that sometimes-beautiful independent streak in our country becomes counterproductive. And you have that smoldering anti-science feeling, a divisiveness that’s palpable politically in this country.”

If you didn’t think you needed the vaccine or didn’t trust it, Fauci proclaims that you are responsible for divisiveness and anti-science feeling. The “independent streak” is called freedom, which for him is the real problem. The lesson for next time? Hard to know. Maybe he thinks the mandates should have been enforced with more energy.

3. Fauci on the economics of the lockdowns: “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is not an economic organization. The surgeon general is not an economist. So we looked at it from a purely public-health standpoint. It was for other people to make broader assessments — people whose positions include but aren’t exclusively about public health. Those people have to make the decisions about the balance between the potential negative consequences of something versus the benefits of something.”

There we go with the great divide between public health and real life, as if one does not impact the other. Public health cared not for economics – the science of human cooperation – and, sadly, the economists were too often unschooled on public health. The compartmentalization of speciality fields played into the haphazard totalitarianism we experienced.

4. Fauci on why he is not responsible for anything: “when people say, ‘Fauci shut down the economy’ — it wasn’t Fauci. The C.D.C. was the organization that made those recommendations. I happened to be perceived as the personification of the recommendations. But show me a school that I shut down and show me a factory that I shut down. Never. I never did. I gave a public-health recommendation that echoed the C.D.C.’s recommendation, and people made a decision based on that. But I never criticized the people who had to make the decisions one way or the other.

He was merely deferring to a giant bureaucracy where no one takes responsibility either!

5. Fauci on how they should have locked down earlier: “We were not fully appreciative of the fact that we were dealing with a highly, highly transmissible virus that was clearly spread by ways that were unprecedented and unexperienced by us. And so it fooled us in the beginning and confused us about the need for masks and the need for ventilation and the need for inhibition of social interaction.” Should they have shut down in February 2020? “We should have, probably, if we knew what we know now.”

Inexperienced in a textbook respiratory virus? It’s because they thought it was a bioweapon that could be handled like AIDS. Masks were the condoms. Lockdowns were the behavioral changes. Minimizing of cases was the metric of success. On every point, they were wrong. Plus they didn’t even learn from the AIDS experience. It wasn’t the vaccines that cooled the crisis. It was the therapeutics innovated in clinical experience. Instead, Fauci shut down all efforts at early treatment to wait for the vaccines. Having done it earlier would have been even worse!

6. Fauci on the effectiveness of masking: “From a broad public-health standpoint, at the population level, masks work at the margins — maybe 10 percent. But for an individual who religiously wears a mask, a well-fitted KN95 or N95, it’s not at the margin. It really does work. But I think anything that instigated or intensified the culture wars just made things worse. And I have to be honest with you, David, when it comes to masking, I don’t know.”

He doesn’t know. At least he admits it. And yet the CDC is still suing for the legal right to impose masking on the whole population whoever it wants.

7. Fauci on not understanding the virus: “Herd immunity is based on two premises: one, that the virus doesn’t change, and two, that when you get infected or vaccinated, the durability of protection is measured in decades, if not a lifetime. With SARS-CoV-2, we thought protection against infection was going to be measured in a long period of time. And we found out — wait a minute, protection against infection, and against severe disease, is measured in months, not decades. No. 2, the virus that you got infected with in January 2020 is very different from the virus that you’re going to get infected with in 2021 and 2022.”

To be clear, nothing about herd immunity requires lifetime immunity and it certainly is not premised on unchanging virus. Indeed, it is astonishing that he claims they had no idea the virus would mutate. It’s an established reality that such widespread and mostly non-deadly pathogens like this mutate, which is precisely why they cannot be eradicated through vaccination. Why must anyone have to explain virus basics to Fauci of all people?

8. Fauci on the huge age gradient of medically significant risk: “Did we say that the elderly were much more vulnerable? Yes. Did we say it over and over and over again? Yes, yes, yes. But somehow or other, the general public didn’t get that feeling that the vulnerable are really, really heavily weighted toward the elderly. Like 85 percent of the hospitalizations are there.”

In fact, their solution was to shut down the whole of society for a virus that was mostly if not entirely a danger to the aged and sick. And to justify that, they absolutely did obscure the risk gradient, which is why most everyone was running around like their hair was on fire. The attempt was precisely to create population fear and panic, as Fauci said many times in private.

9. Fauci on whether the NIH funded the lab that leaked the virus. “ Now you’re saying things that are a little bit troublesome to me. That I need to go to bed tonight worrying that N.I.H.-funded research was responsible for pandemic origins…. Well, I sleep fine. I sleep fine. And remember, this work was done in order to be able to help prepare us for the next outbreak. This work was not conceived by me as I was having my omelet in the morning. It is a grant that was put before peer review of independent scientists whose main role is to try to get data to protect the health and safety of the American public and the world. And it was judged that this type of research was important.”

Once again, if the NIH had anything to do with funding the research that led to the virus, he is not responsible for that either. It was those pesky independent scientists. He has again thrown colleagues under the bus.

10. Fauci on gain-of-function research: “Some want to pass a law: All gain-of-function should be stopped. But if all gain-of-function stops, you will have no vaccines for flu. You will have no vaccines for any of the other diseases, because all of that manipulates a virus or a pathogen to gain a certain function to be able to make a vaccine.”

That’s a very hard claim. I asked ChatGPT about that and it quickly spat out the following:

“No, the flu vaccine does not require gain-of-function research. The development of flu vaccines typically involves studying the behavior of the virus and its strains, identifying the most common strains and predicting which one will be most prevalent in the upcoming season. The vaccine is then developed using inactivated or attenuated versions of the virus, which do not require gain-of-function research. Gain-of-function research, which involves genetically modifying viruses to make them more infectious or deadly, is sometimes used for studying the flu virus, but it is not required for the creation of flu vaccines.”

If not for the flu vaccine, what is gain-of-function’s purpose? The creation of bioweapons and vaccines to confound them? The track record of this looks awful.

Fauci and his friends keep trying to close the book on the Covid epoch. They have settled on the messaging and are doing everything possible to tie it all up in a bow in hopes that everyone will move on. The mainstream media wants to move on too. Everyone guilty for the wreckage wants to do the same, particularly the elites in every sector that pushed for and celebrated the mass violation of human rights.

They are wrong. The book is not closed and will not be until we get honest answers.

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falconflight
falconflight

If Trump was half the man he wishes he was, he’d a grabbed the Scarf Lady (Dr. Birx) by that scarf and choked her out…personally. I bet Trump has sucked a dick or two.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid

That’s no lady -but rather a damned Hellthcare monster and Evil Fucker tool.

Ivermectin? Hydroxychloroquin? Not for you serfs! Lockdowns, forced masking, and the compulsory injections of an experimental, emergency use authorized, genetic modification therapy with God-knows-what nanoparticle shit in it for you and especially your children.

Never forgive and never forget what these Evil Fucker tools did and, as a result of their actions, are still doing. dokter Scarf can go to Hell with business partner dokter Falsi where they can best serve their master Satan.

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer

“I bet Trump has sucked a dick or two three.”

fify!

Todd Packer's Mentor
Todd Packer's Mentor

Fauci damns himself with his own words.

Anonymous
Anonymous
Captain_Obviuos
Captain_Obviuos

They didn’t even learn from the AIDS experience

Wow. It’s bad enough Jeff is legitimizing viruses and pushing jabs, but claiming they learned nothing from AIDS just further proves on which side of the curtain he’s standing.

~100 years ago, before Big Pharmaceutakill, humans had no “pandemics” caused by “viruses.” Since the “Spanish Flu” scare — each of these scares resulted in increased fear and profits for Big Pharma, of course, who happen to have just the thing to combat these “viruses” — about every quarter-century, or right around when everyone has forgotten the last one, another dastardly “virus” shows up (in this case, Polio), like clockwork. AIDS was the last big hoopla; and strangely enough, in an un-strange, not-strange-at-all kind of way, the same guy who heartlessly sent millions to their untimely deaths got to be the ramrod for CONVID.

So oh yes, Jeff, they learned plenty from AIDS, and it worked out so well they said, why change a good thing? They had the Don of the Dead waiting in his lab. Perhaps one could say, just Biden his time. Grab him by his Alfred E. Neuman ears and swing him up to the podium and let him go hog wild, he’ll git ‘er done, they said.

And people still believe Fauci and the rest of those murdering crooks are going to end up in jail or worse; as AIDS showed, they won’t, as a matter of fact. None of them will.

AKJOHN

And creepy people like Jim Cramer will say he was a pure genius.

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid

J1m Kramer is not creepy but instead a paradigmatic B3RG* demonic tool. Telling Auntie that the government should force inject me? Drop dead, you and your entire God-damned family, scumbag.

and the rest of the media whore roster including Arn0ld “Screw Your Freedom” Shwartzenegger; H0ward “Odi0us Scumbag – germ0phobe” Stirn; and the always vile Step-an “Fetchit” Colbert among the large and toxic colony of the worst Evil Fucker tools who ever drew breath.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Who believes anything at all from any of these people,? Every word is a lie. Disgusting.

Tex
Tex

You can’t believe a word that people say

Aunt Acid
Aunt Acid

“That I need to go to bed tonight worrying that N.I.H.-funded research was responsible for pandemic origins…. Well, I sleep fine. I sleep fine. ”
– dokter Falsi

That’s the problem in a nutshell; zero ethics and not a damned scruple in this evil bastard’s whole body. How many tens of millions of lives, hundreds of millions even, by his words and actions were terrorized, traumatised and tortured over the course of the great Scamdemic? He is, along with a host of other B3RG* tools, needing to be sleeping really poorly or worse.

Go to Hell, Falsi. Your boss Satan eagerly waits for you.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Umm, no , actually the book won’t be closed until these little cocksuckers like him are put in the ground where they belong. These motherfuckers are part of the cabal that planned this bullshit to kill off millions of people. If we don’t end these people, they will do it again. They have already told us so. The entire globalist set that was and is pushing for the great reset, the end of fossil fuels, the shutting down of farms, the elimination of eating meat, and all the other shit that they are gaslighting and propagandising the whole world with – all of these people the world over need to be in fear for their lives. We’re coming for them now.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer

Physiognomy is a great tool, and in the case of the people pushing this crime against humanity it was virtually 100% effective in identifying the culprits.

Equally telling is how they behave when the crowd is behind them- they love being on TV, the face of authority, cashing those big awards checks, etc, but the moment the winds change they scurry behind the walls of whatever organization, bureau, institute or government they crawled out of at the beginning, trying to deflect responsibility onto something impersonal.

They are twisted, broken souls. It is your responsibility to stay as far away from them and their drama as humanly possible and do everything in your power to be the exact opposite.

Blackdog
Blackdog

The concept of personal choice and responsibility has been taken away from us completely. Since John McCain approved Obamacare, we have gone down the road to corporate medicine. You have no choice to reject corporate “policy ” in your health care. You can be detained as if you were a criminal suspect by a hospital. The drug companies pay commissions to you doc, hospital and insurance company. Old folks remember the kindly physician and hospital and therefore blindly follow along not aware of the changes, and live as a source of big bucks for the industry. You are a source of profit and do not forget it!! Period!

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer

Choice can NEVER be taken. It can only be surrendered…and THAT is also your choice.

Expecting Gov to make your decisions for you at this late date is a fool’s errand. It won’t end well.

i forget
i forget

an infinite number of options can be ‘flensed’. its what states & their sanctioned cartels/monopolies do.

now, as an example, the gilnet saith rendering unto caesar must be via the interlocked 3rd party payers. Cash outta mine own pocket? they call that fraud. and its “legal” …

The Central Scrutinizer
The Central Scrutinizer

If we brought back flensing as punishment for State criminals, we’d have far fewer Fauci’s soiling our planet.

Obbledy
Obbledy

I’m sorry,#5 “highly,highly transmissible in unprecedented ways and unexperienced ways” is such a load of horseshit meant to take advantage of peoples ignorance.
Frankly,that supposedly educated people fell for this nonsense is astounding to me……

Mary Christine

There’s a big difference between “educated” and discernment. Most people lack the ability to use the God given gift of discernment. One does not need a useless degree from an overpriced university to use it.

i forget
i forget

gifts have never been evenly distributed.

Shotgun Trooper
Shotgun Trooper

The standard liberal trope, no matter how evil the crime, if they “meant well”, they’re innocent.

ze bugs
ze bugs

All sociopaths are pathological liars.

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