LLPOH’s Short Story: Responsibilities Employers Take for Employees

I cop a lot of flak for comments I make re employees, and the fact that I believe – in fact I know – that there is a significant number of people who, in a modern economy, are effectively unemployable. I base my comments on my experiences running businesses, both as an employee myself, and as an employer. I generally find that the people objecting to my comments are not employers, but employees, and most commonly government employees. Below, I am listing some of the responsibilities I have toward my employees, in hope of explaining why there are some people that are simply unemployable.

Responsible to pay wages:

Each week, I am responsible for meeting payroll. By payroll I mean wages and benefits. I am responsible for putting the pay in their banks, and for paying garnishments, child support, etc.
My weekly payroll is in the neighbourhood of $150,000. Failure to meet payroll is not allowed. I cannot skip a week because cash flow is a bit tight, no matter what might happen that might negatively affect my ability to meet payroll (customers not paying me on time, computer crashes, etc.). Not meeting payroll is not an option.
I am also responsible for sorting out all of the issues that occur re employees receiving their pay. Last week, come payday, I received two calls from irate wives when their husbands pay was not in their accounts. These wives were not happy. I investigated immediately – it took me away from other, money-making duties. What I found in both cases was that the families had changed their bank accounts without advising us. So their pay went into the ether. Not my fault. I then had to advise the irate wives that we did send their pay, that it was their own fault for not advising us of the changed bank accounts, and it would take a few to several days to sort out and for them to receive their pay, as we have to wait for the banks to return the money to us from the ether. Of course, I was abused and cursed, and they demanded I send their money forthwith. This I did not do. I am not a bank, and I am not responsible for their mistakes. I do have a long memory, and I do not appreciate being abused.
And there are times when employees die. This makes for ticklish situations. The bereaved families of course want their loved one’s final pay, holiday money, etc. They are in grief, and need to pay for funeral costs, etc. And I have to tell them that I cannot release the money to them until cleared to do so by the appropriate legal authority. It is heart-wrenching. Why cannot I release the money? Because I have no idea who has claim on it, and if I release the money to the wrong party, I am liable for its loss. For instance, I had a case where an employee had a wife and kids, and was not divorced. He lived with a girlfriend, with more kids by her, and they shared his account. The girlfriend wanted the money owed. The estranged wife of course wanted the money as well. If I had released the money to either of them without legal authority, I would have taken a big chance.

Responsible to be Tax Collector:

I am responsible for collecting and paying my employees taxes – federal and state, and social security, etc. I must calculate the tax, withhold the tax, and forward the tax on time to the appropriate agencies. God forbid I do this late, as the penalties are significant. And, should my employee owe the taxman money at the end of the year, I get the pleasure of being abused for failing to withhold enough.

Responsible for the Output of the Employee and for Keeping the Employee Working:

Everything I make and sell is priced, and the labor content is calculated down to the second. That is the same for a $30 product or a $3000 product. Each minute worked costs me around $1. Every minute lost costs me money – the same $1. If an employee takes a ten minute bathroom break, it costs me $10. If they arrive to start work at 7, and don’t get started until 7:10, it costs me $10. If they leave for lunch 2 minutes early, and do not start back until 2 minutes after the lunch break ends, it costs me $4. If I or my supervisors need to explain their work to them, it costs me $2 per minute – $1 for them, and $1 for the supervisor. I estimate that each worker loses the better part of an hour per day to these factors – and I have over 100 employees. Therefore the lost time costs me $6000 per day. Some of this is factored into the cost of the product. But not all. $6000 per day times 220 days per year = $1.3 million dollars lost each year for lost time. I take lost time very seriously – very seriously indeed. Employees that lose excess time are simply not tolerated. Employees that take excessive time to train, retrain, or instruct cost me money – a lot of money. I cannot afford it.

Responsible for the Continued Improvement of the Productivity of the Employee:

This is similar to the above, but somewhat different. Each employee must be able to produce more next year than this year. The target is a minimum of 2.5% improvement each year, in order to keep up with wage growth, and foreign competition. I must provide the means for each employee to produce more each year – be it equipment, training, plant layout, etc. If I cannot generate this 2.5%+ improvement each year, I will go broke. My employees must be capable of adapting to the changes that are required to achieve this improvement. If they cannot adapt, or cannot help me achieve the improvement, or take too long to train in order to achieve the improvement, I simply cannot employ them.

Responsible for the Quality of Output of Each Employee:

I am responsible for the quality of the product and of the work for each employee. Any mistakes made cost me money – in rework or scrap if the mistakes are caught in-house, or in costs associated with warranty if caught outside the plant. Each minute of rework costs me $1. Scrap costs me both material and labor. Faulty products that escape the plant cost me huge amounts – in general it costs me 10 times the sell price if a part leaves the plant faulty. A faulty $100 part costs me $1000 in warranty cost. I require that my employees be able to follow all quality procedure – written of course in order to maintain my quality accreditation – and to be able to notify me of issues as they arise. If they cannot do these things, I cannot employ them.

Responsible for the Safety of Each Employee:

I am required by law to maintain a safe workplace. There are written safety procedures that must be followed. There are written procedures with respect to handling of materials and chemicals. I pay huge sums of money insuring against workplace accidents and injury, and each claim drives these costs up. I cannot employ people that are incapable of following the procedures and of using good judgement in their work activities so as to minimize the risks associated with work. I am also responsible for any injuries that occur owing to extreme stupidity. Injuries associated with stupidity are the norm and not the exception.

Responsible for Making Sure Employees Adhere to EPA Laws:

This is self-explanatory. What is not so evident is the number of times that employees breach the laws intentionally so as to make their jobs easier (easier to dump chemicals down the drain as opposed to moving them to the designated disposal sites, etc.). Also, stupidity plays a factor – such as the time an employee failed to turn off a tap to a large chemical container, and allowed a major spill to occur. The lost chemicals were worth several thousands of dollars, but fortunately we caught the spill just before it reached the sewers.

Responsible for the Mistakes Employees Make:

Again, this is self-evident, and includes damage to equipment, erroneous or poor communication with customers and other employees, bad general decision making, etc.. What is not so self-evident is how varied the mistakes can be. Here is a good example of a mistake that cost me a lot of money, and had the potential to send me broke:

I have a system in place that ensures that customers receive invoices daily, and that allows me to track exactly that the invoices are indeed received by the customer. The reason is simple – the only reason I am in business is so that I get paid, and the business can only survive if I manage cash flow well. Both of those things depend on me invoicing my customers accurately and timely.

Two of my most senior managers took it upon themselves to change this system. They decided to implement a system that would send invoices electronically to the customers, and so save around $3000 per year in paperwork and handling costs. They implemented the system without my knowledge. The system failed – and the electronic transmissions did not occur. The managers did not follow-up to ensure that the system was working – they implemented the system, congratulated each other for a job well-done, and walked away. The invoices never reached the customers. The customers of course did not tell us they were not getting invoices – it is not in their interests to do so. The clerks involved are evaluated on how slowly they can pay out money, not on how fast.

Due to the lag-time between issuance of invoice and payment of invoice, the fact that the invoices were not received was not discovered for approximately 6 weeks. During this time, we were getting paid as usual, for invoices issued previously, and I did not know the system had changed. Then one day the money owed did not come in. I immediately asked why. At that point I discovered that they had changed the system, had failed to follow up that it was working, and that the invoices had never been issued to the customer.

I now had a $1.5 million cash flow problem. And I was not happy. The customer was very happy, of course – they hadn’t been invoiced for 6 weeks. A $1.5 million cash flow problem was created because two senior people had made a very bad mistake in order to save $3000. It is a mistake they will not repeat here.

The business survived, I met payroll every week, despite this enormous hole in cash flow, etc., but it was not a good situation.

The long and the short of it is, I cannot tolerate many mistakes from employees. They cost me money and would send me broke.

There are many more responsibilities I take by employing people, but will not go further with the list. What I hope becomes evident when going through the above is that I must have competent employees in order to stay in business. They must be able to work independently; they must be able to read and understand complex procedures; they must be able to determine risk and avoid it; they must have a good work ethic; they must be able to independently come up with ideas to improve productivity and must be receptive to change; they must be able to focus on detail; they must make few mistakes; they must run their daily lives well in order to not overly burden me with garnishments, child-support payments, failure to report bank account changes, etc.; in short, they must be intelligent people that help me make money.

I am not alone in this – every employer trying to make money needs employees with the same attributes. But the fact is, a significant percentage of potential workers do not have these attributes – they cannot read well or understand complex written instruction, they require too much supervision, they are unable to predict the outcome of their actions, they have uneven personal lives, they waste time, etc. I simply cannot employ these people and make a profit by so doing, and to employ them brings too much risk to my business re safety, EPA. Very few profit seeking employers can employ them. I have classified this group of functionally unemployable as those with IQs below 85 – that is of course arbitrary, and overly generalized. However, the fact is, using the IQ scale; it is from that group that the highest percentage of unemployable will be found. I simply cannot fully organize my business around people that cannot read, act independently, and reason.

I do not think I am being harsh – I am being realistic. Laws and the competitive environment make me responsible for my employees on a great many levels, and there are many risks with employing people. I must minimize the risks if I am to keep my company solvent. The belief that all people have a right to employment and a reasonable standard of living is noble, but it is unrealistic and unachievable.

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bluestem
bluestem
September 10, 2012 9:47 am

LLPOH, Obama wouldn’t last 5 minutes in your position, keep up your good work. John

flash
flash
September 10, 2012 9:48 am

Loopy , “I thought you said…” infamous last words of many of former -employees.

I think you ’bout covered the entire spectrum on the major sources of business owner heartburn , but left out one tiny nit that always used to scorch my short-hairs and that is arbitration with a labor board over firing some useless twit.

As a plant manger I’ve had to provide documented disciplinary write-ups and appear before a labor board for firing people that don’t show up for work because they were in jail for assault , robbery, child-support, drugs, DIU,ect.

And without fail the state’s arbitrator , always a woman , would start off asking if the person was a good worker.
So what if they were? They’re in jail , therefore cannot come to work and to run a production line I needed them at their assigned job.
And, I had an allotted number of workers I could hire and if one was in jail , the others had to pick up the slack which was especially hard on them since they were already doing the work of two people.

Yeah, as you mentioned on another thread, I’ve seen it all too. Assaults, shootings, break room robberies, theft and vandalism of property and equipment.and of all things ,sabotage of the very product which the sale of kept their jobs secure.

And don’t get me started on OSHA. Arrrghhh! Their silly -assed rules make running a manufacturing plant damn near unprofitable.

The best day I ever had on that management job ,was the day I quit….haven’t regretted it once.

Stucky
Stucky
September 10, 2012 10:00 am

Jeebus. Why do you do it? I imagine the rewards (moolah) must be awfully nice to put up with all that crap.

There is much boomer bashing here. So, I am wondering if you can generalize on the quality of a worker based on age.

TIA

Ron
Ron
September 10, 2012 11:15 am

I guess in china they just tell employees to fck off.

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
September 10, 2012 11:19 am

Your comments verify my experience that people in business do not really own their own company, but in fact work for the government. And people are asking where are the jobs? What happened to small business?

My disposition does not allow me to put up with the problems you do. It is not worth it to me because your problems are carried with you 24/7 right into your personal life; if you even have the time to have a personal life.

To me the profit worries is not worth it. While I am retired now I realize your situation. Life is too short to waste it on worries.

I have been an employer several times in my life. I remember when government stayed mostly out of one’s business affairs. Over the years government has intruded more and more into my business. State government has been the worst. I finally felt I could not run my own business without complying to all types of government requests that cost me money. In the long run most people that would be employers and job creators no longer think it worth the aggravation.

The golden goose is dead because government killed it. Look for more Soviet style communism to replace business. I would advise young people with ambition to start a business to go overseas to Asia or South America. America is becoming the new Soviet Union. I have my passport and will get out when communism gets to difficult for me to tolerate.

PS: Communism requires low IQs. The former Soviet Union sent all their intellectuals to Siberia. So you require your employees to have a high IQ. Good luck with that. The public schools are programmed to dumb down people. McCarthy was right but the American people were convinced by the communists he was warning about to not believe him. Russia told us we would be taken over without a shot fired. It has taken years of programming but it is happening.

Persnickety
Persnickety
September 10, 2012 11:32 am

Excellent article.

I’ve been a business owner for over 4 years (and nominally for 2.5 years before that, but not really) and sole owner for 6 months now. Several years ago we had employees and they were a huge hassle with minimal to negative ROI. My business is professional services and I’m able to get by without employees, by doing some menial work myself (it probably reduces my individual net income a fair bit, but it eliminates so many hassles and headaches that to me it’s worth it). That’s what we and now I have done for a couple years now, and on balance it is far better than dealing with even one or two good employees.

I cannot imagine dealing with dozens or hundreds of low skilled blue collar employees and all the hassles that LLPOH describes.

Punk in Drublic
Punk in Drublic
September 10, 2012 12:37 pm

Still looking for the person that has all the qualities you list to hire on, self managing and motivated. I really have no desire to expand beyond self employment until then. People have offered their services, many people, especially in the past year.

Friends, acquaintances, people my parents age, all saying the same thing. “If you need help, let me know.” My elders looking to me for work! But I am no manager. All I know is to lead by example, which didn’t work out very well when I had people under me. So I tell them, “I’m not ready to expand”.
I have really begun hitting the wall as far as the amount I can work in a day, week, whatever. Yet I continue to have leads come in regarding more work. Some I look into if I can, others, I don’t follow up on.

I recently picked up a new client that hired me specifically because I am small and her old house cleaner became so big that they were sending different people in and the quality suffered. The nature of the beast, I suppose.

Nice piece, LLPOH. I know there is more but this is a good base, in regards to all the shit I will someday need keep in mind. Thanks.

jmarz
jmarz
September 10, 2012 1:01 pm

LLPOH

Great commentary. I’ll be saving this one to reference in the future in addition to the others you have posted in the past. Glad to see another short story and appreciate the time you take to produce this commentary. Your wisdom is appreciated.; especially, for a striving to be entrepreneur.

I work for a few privately owned manufacturing companies that are owned by a family and I have been working for them for almost 2 years. After almost 2 years of being on ground with a US manufacturing company, there is no way in hell I would ever consider starting a manufacturing company in the US. To add to the insanity you presented above, it has taken one of our companies 2 months to get electricity set up for our new presses because of the inefficiencies of government. This is ridiculous and has cost our company a lot of money to lost capacity. We are probably one of the lucky ones who is actually growing in this economy. Luckily, we have a good niche that isn’t entirely affected by Asian competition or the economy currently.

I’m in outside sales so I don’t have to deal with the day to day crap that goes on with running a profitable manufacturing company in the US but I have seen the shit our production manager has to deal with everyday and it is insane. I’m fascinated by the processes involved in making a quality, finished product and the system developed to ensure quality parts are produced and shipped on time but zero interest in owning a manufacturing company. Excessive regulations, taxes, responsibilities and political uncertainty make this sector a dead sector for the US going forward. Why produce it here and bust your ass to barely make a profit, when you can import it, make a profit, and not have to deal with the shit required in running a manufacturing company in the US? That is my perspective. Unless you can identify a great niche that makes it worthwhile to start a manufacturing company, I just don’t see many entrepreneurs wanting to take the risk of manufacturing in the US.

I commend you LLPOH for sustaining a profitable manufacturing company.

jmarz
jmarz
September 10, 2012 1:17 pm

Thunderbird

“I would advise young people with ambition to start a business to go overseas to Asia or South America. America is becoming the new Soviet Union. I have my passport and will get out when communism gets to difficult for me to tolerate.”

I will have to agree with your statement. The emerging and frontier markets will present much opportunity to the ambitious entrepreneur. My brother is studying Mandarin in college as a minor in addition to his major in Marketing. When he graduates, he is hoping to land a job in Asia. Once he gains some real world experience working in Asia, we probably will focus on starting a business that somehow incorporates Asia as as our main target customer. There is still business opportunities in the US but you have to be very selective in defining the niche. Asia will be the dominant economic power in the 21st century. The developed economies will contract and then stabilize in my opinion while the East continues the upward trend in this century. Just my opinion!

Thunderbird
Thunderbird
September 10, 2012 2:15 pm

jmarz: China is a good place to start a business especially if you have a background in electro/mechanical technology. Just before my retirement I was approached by a large pump manufacturer out of Shanghai interested in developing a sales partnership as a distributor of their products in America. After examining their engineering specs and electrical control schematics I realized they had extensive upgrading to do with their electrical control systems to comply and compete in our market so,I declined.

Working in Micronesia on many pump systems that came out of Asia, Malaysia, and Indonesia; I realize the potential for anyone to start a business in this field. In my travels in Indonesia I saw such potential in the electro/mechanical business.

Yes, if I were young again I would be out there. There is far more economic and personal freedom out there in the world, except America and Europe. We are going down because of our stupidity. The american people of today are not the american people of yesterday. America is over as we know it. The Bolsheviks have captured it. And they will run it into the ground into a third world country just like they did with the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.

I encourage your brother to go to China with his plan. He will not regret it.

crazyivan
crazyivan
September 10, 2012 2:20 pm

llpoh will only quit whining after he reads my next book in progress.

That being… “Peaple Are The Worst Help”

crazyivan
crazyivan
September 10, 2012 2:47 pm

The reason why a lot of peaple gravitate towards a fictional higher diety is because they have so little respect for their own species, maybe rightfully so.

Nature abhores bullshit. Peaple thrive on it.

We alone, humans, are going to create the next mass exctinction

SSS
SSS
September 10, 2012 3:22 pm

LLPOH

Good stuff. Thanks.

A couple of points to ponder:

You said “a significant percentage of potential workers …….. cannot read well or understand complex written instruction.” Ok, let’s go with that. Have you or one of your managers taken a look around the workplace to see if the “complex instructions” could be simplified in order to reduce misunderstandings and thus the myriad of problems that could arise simply because the employees didn’t fully comprehend what they were reading? Might be worth a review.

I have a friend who owns a successful manufacturing business here in Tucson. One of the things he does, on a very limited basis, is hire ex-convicts. Guess what? They have turned out to be among his best and MOST LOYAL workers. Why? Simply because the vast majority of employers won’t hire people who have been in prison, particularly for any job position which requires continuing contact with the public. I can certainly understand that.

Ex-convicts are really behind the eight-ball if they’re sincerely trying to turn their life around because it is so difficult for them to find gainful employment. But if someone gives them the opportunity to do so, it usually turns into a win-win for the grateful employee and the employer.

Stucky
Stucky
September 10, 2012 3:45 pm

llpoh picks out employees at a Job Fair sponsored by SSS
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Llpoh
Llpoh
September 10, 2012 4:19 pm

SSS – i have no problem with ex-cons, in general. Depends on the crime. But i have, found they disappear – they reoffend and go back to jail.

Re the complex instructions, it is a good point. However, the quality systems of some of our customers dictate the instructions. We use pics and stick figures and such whereever possible.

Great comments, Y’all. Will get back to you soon.

card802
card802
September 10, 2012 5:06 pm

There is an entire new mindset in the worker and the government in what a business is, and what that business is to provide the worker, and the government.

Most employees believe a business exists solely to provide a “living wage” and benefits. The government sees business as a cash cow and the cause of all that is wrong in America.

How dare you greedy business owners desire to keep some of what you have earned, because you didn’t build that motherfucker.

I’ve run my contracting business 25 years now, hope to hang on another 5 before I sell everything (if there is anyone to sell to) buy a sailboat and sail away, or hook up the camper and travel (if travel is allowed) or end up in camp FEMA. I’m sure there is a neighbor or ex-employee who will sell me out to the government agents for some cheese because I speak out.

Good article Llpoh.

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 10, 2012 5:41 pm

To answer the question as to why I do it:

Manufacturing is one of the three pillars of economic society. The other two are farming and mining. Without those three there is nothing else. I believe it is a noble cause.

I am good at it.

I make money.

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 10, 2012 5:45 pm

I wrote thisinan attempt to explain why there are many people who are unemployablle. Employers have a burden of responsibility to their employees, plus they need to make a profit. Stupid employees add to their already extreme burden and also proclude a profit. Theysimply cannot be employed by the private sector. The government might employ some of them as they are not concerned with profit or efficiency.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
September 10, 2012 7:07 pm

First off, is your username LLPOH or LIPOH? With this font is is hard to tell.

Second, can you say what it is that your company manufactures?

In your article, you say:
“If I cannot generate this 2.5%+ improvement each year, I will go broke.”

Much like the US economy/Fed Reserve, this sounds like an exponential system and as such is unsustainable, no?

Like I’ve said here before, I don’t know what you do but I know for an absolute fact that I would be your dream employee. Every attribute you desire, I have. I arrive early, leave late, I do bitch about things from time to time but only while I am fixing whatever is fucked up. I don’t call in sick. Even if I am sick, you will lay eyes on me and know for certain I am sick. I treat my employers equipment and materials as if I own them and paid for them with my own money. I can generally diagnose and repair every piece of equipment we have, usually before a costly breakdown occurs. I anticipate problems and devise work arounds. I’m always searching for faster, better, more efficient and cheaper ways to do things. I write SOP’s and help to maintain our ISO certification. I actually love to work and I take great pride in my work.

I’ve owned my own business before and was very successful but most employees just suck the life out of a business. Every business owner I currently know, hates their job because they have become slaves to the bureaucracy and idiot individuals who laughingly call themselves “workers”:

I feel for you and wish you the best!
I_S

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
September 10, 2012 7:27 pm

I used to be a cement mason for a small company that specialized in residential, tear out and replace jobs but we did everything including commercial work like all of the concrete work to build a new Walmart store etc. The quality of employees was so fucking low most of the time that it was mind boggling. The boss would put an ad in the paper etc that said “No experience required, will train.” & “MUST HAVE drivers license and own transportation.” In twelve years, 99% of all applicants did not have a license or transportation. They obviously had no reading comprehension skills either. When he did get someone who met the minimum requirements, the sheer volume of BS he had to put up with from them was unreal. We had a dickhead who broke every shovel we had on the truck in one day! I was the foreman and when I would get on someones ass for breaking or abusing equipment, the standard response was, “the boss is rich, he can afford it.”

In twelve years of working for the guy, we only ever had four people who were worth a shit and I was one of them. We would fire “experienced finishers” in a matter of hours on their first day because it was clear they were bullshitters.

I have no doubt that employees are your biggest nightmare.
I_S

jmarz
jmarz
September 10, 2012 7:34 pm

Thunderbird

It sounds like your business experiences were fascinating. Do you have any recommendations or advice I could pass along to my brother in trying to land a job in Asia after he graduates in May 2013 as an ambitious American business grad who can write, read, and speak Mandarin? Ideally, he wants to move straight to Asia after he graduates if he can get a job there otherwise, he will have to try and find a multinational in the US and hope to get exposure to Asia. As you know, our ultimate goal is to start a business together but I think he needs to gain experience working in Asia for awhile before we consider starting a company. I agree with you that he needs to get in China however he can once he graduates from college. I have some business relationships with Asia businessmen and I have passed along their contact info to my brother so that he can reach out to them with any questions and offer advice. Unfortunately, the contacts I passed along are relationships that aren’t that strong since I’ve only met them once.

Your story about a large manufacturer in Shanghai approaching you with a sales partnership to sell pumps in America is a similar story my father told me. It seems like there are opportunities with Asian manufacturers for American businessman to sell products in America. In you opinion is this because Asian manufacturers have a hard time penetrating the US market due to culture difference primarily?

crazyivan
crazyivan
September 10, 2012 7:44 pm

LLoP,

Your self imposed “job” as I see it is to organize and direct humans in an
effort to make a quality product and get some return on your investment of capital, time, and emotional outlay.

I do not fault your whining about the frailities of your workforce.

Let’s hear about some of your frailities that have cost you money. As long as you don’t mention again, another stupid employee. After all, you could just do it all by yourself

We as a country need your type badly- to a degree.

Administrator
Administrator
September 10, 2012 8:16 pm

llpoh

I’m afraid you are right. I doubt that there is any person in the neighborhoods of West Philly that could be a successful employee in your business.

Showing up on time, working hard, caring about the quality of your work, and showing respect for the business is too much to ask from most people in this country. It’s easier to be on food stamps or SSDI.

The deck is really stacked against you and other small business owners. Lack of quality workers and mega-corporations that use their political influence to unfairly profit at your expense.

You’re a better man than me to put up with all the shit.

llpoh
llpoh
September 10, 2012 9:01 pm

IS – I have no doubt that you would be an A-Grade, gold plated employee. BTW – people break my tools all the time. If it becomes a habit, they get to go break other people’s tools. Re wat I manufacture – I make low volume, reasonably highly engineered parts for various industries, including marine, medical, auto, heavy industry, etc.

Crazy Ivan – in all seriousness, I have made very few mistakes that have cost me money. I would have made mistakes that cost me money of which I am unaware – lost business because of mistakes made, etc. I do not believe in mistakes. Ask anyone who works for me – I do not believe in mistakes, and I do not accept mistakes. Mistakes are for amateurs. I punish mistakes – every one. You work for me and make a mistake, and it gets punished, most often gently, sometimes not. Generally not terminally, but punished nonetheless. Anyone who accepts mistakes – ie. says “well, everyone makes mistakes” – is an idiot. Fuck that. I do not tolerate mistakes. I am not in the business of paying people to make mistakes. I do not let anyone think that the attitude “everyone makes mistakes” is acceptable that works for me. It is the path to hell. Mistakes happen, but i do not accet it is inveitable. Every mistake should not have happened – better planning, better execution, better knowledge, better follow-up, better inspection, whatever. Fuck mistakes.

The biggest mistake I have ever made cost me $20,000, and even that was not really my mistake, other than I fucked up and trusted an employee to do the right thing. I changed materials used to produce a certain product, unaware that one of my employees was using an unapproved manufacturing technique with the current material that was not suited to the new material, which he shouldn’t have been doing, but he was getting away with it without a major issue (the old material was more forgiving but of a lesser quality). I did not fully review that the documented process was being followed – shame on me, as I ALWAYS follow up on things – and as a result I lost around $20k due to faulty quality. I fixed the process and went on my way. I fixed the stupid, lazy, incompetent emplyee, as well, who had chosen to change processes to suit his own lazy-ass self, as opposed to doing the job the way it was designed.

llpoh
llpoh
September 10, 2012 9:09 pm

Admin – I do what I do for much the same reason as you run this blog. I believe in manufacturing. I believe in the nobleness of making something. I am fucking good at it, and if not me, then who? There are not many top of the line manufacturing folks out there, and if we all pull the pin, it will be all over red rover. I also make money, which I really like to do, but there were many paths I could have gone to do that.

I appreciate the kind words. But you and I are not alone, and many others, are carrying a torch, and are doing the best they can. AWD, Hope, and the other medicos are fighting their daily battles. TeresaE and the other small-business folk are fighting their battles, and MaryM is doing God’s work. SSS has worked to protect his country, Kill Bill has worked to keep the skies safe, Colma and Punk and Jmarz are educating themselves, etc etc etc. There are many torch-bearers around here. Stuck is keeping us entertained (his tough guy routine is a fine act, but we all know he is a softy at heart), and even some of the folks I tend to trash talk surprise me with their experiences (Tbird!).

I do despair tho when folks who do not run businesses or own businesses seem to lack understanding of just how tough it is to do given the world is indeed out to get small business folks.

Administrator
Administrator
  llpoh
September 10, 2012 9:29 pm

Administrator
Administrator
September 10, 2012 9:33 pm

Don’t tell LLPOH what his shipping department is doing.

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llpoh
llpoh
September 10, 2012 9:36 pm

Admin – just wait and see what happens when I jump into the cab and hit the gas! Those lazy turds will look like a parakeet in a blender. That’ll teach ’em.

llpoh
llpoh
September 10, 2012 9:39 pm

I was on a tour of a GM plant once. The guy – a manager – giving the tour came to a big piece of cardboard in a place it shouldn’t have been. Picked it up, and under it were 2 of the AWU’s finest fast asleep. He didn’t say a damn word to them, just walked away. I hate unions, and I hate managers that kowtow to them even more.

Administrator
Administrator
  llpoh
September 10, 2012 9:46 pm

Administrator
Administrator
  llpoh
September 10, 2012 9:47 pm

AWD
AWD
September 10, 2012 9:44 pm

It all starts with what happens outside your business. If our society values competence, responsibility, hard work, diligence, and intelligence, than you have the pick of the litter. Our society values and rewards incompetence, irresponsibility, being lazy, doing whatever the hell you want when you want, and being stupid and fat. Just look at what’s on T.V. it gets worse and lower I.Q. level every year. Everyone knows someone who is on Welfare, disability, unemployment, or getting government cash one way or another. They think they’re doing you a favor just by showing up for work. Our society has degenerated beyond recognition. Maybe you can import Asian workers. They still have values, intelligence and a work ethic.

AWD
AWD
September 10, 2012 9:48 pm

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llpoh
llpoh
September 10, 2012 9:50 pm

Admin – your pic is out of date – in the last downturn, the county had to cut back, and so let poor Herbert go.

SSS
SSS
September 10, 2012 10:02 pm

“First off, is your username LLPOH or LIPOH? With this font is (sic) is hard to tell.”
—-IndenturedServant

It’s LLPOH (life, liberty, and the purusit of happiness). Sometimes it appears in upper case, sometimes in lower case, sometimes a combination. He needs a better marketing manager, which is, surprise, he.

crazyivan
crazyivan
September 10, 2012 11:23 pm

“The biggest mistake I have ever made cost me $20,000, and even that was not really my mistake, other than I fucked up and trusted an employee to do the right thing” LLPOS.

There you go.

Fucking disgusting.

llpoh
llpoh
September 10, 2012 11:43 pm

Crazy Ivan – I generally enjoy trying to figure out what you mean when you post stuff. But are you suggesting I am fucking disgusting? Or that it is disgusting that people cannot be trusted to do the job they are paid to do – in which case I agree.

Re employees, I am only putting out the reality of the situation for employers/small business owners. I am not whining about employees – I know what they are, what they do, what they are capable of and what they are not capable of. I work within that framework. I am no longer surprised by what they do – some of it boggles the mind. I have had senior managers tell me that the best lessons they have ever learned came about as a result of me telling them that the world is full of bad employees, but nevertheless we, as managers, have to ensure we get the job done. No, I cannot do all of the work myself. I do organize around the failings of my employees, but ultimately I can only employ those that will not be oh so creative in the mistakes they make. The trouble with idiots is that they can indeed be oh so ingenious, and so make it impossible to make any job truly idiot proof.

Please tell me you were not calling me disgusting. I have considered us to be on friendly terms, you know.

crazyivan
crazyivan
September 11, 2012 12:21 am

Yes LLpOH, I am suggesting that you are disgusting.

Blame it on me.

SSS
SSS
September 11, 2012 1:40 am

“Yes LLpOH, I am suggesting that you are disgusting.”
—-crazyivan

You’ve been around here long enough to know that’s not gonna cut it for this blog, chief. Please explain.

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 11, 2012 3:38 am

SSS – right you are. There was so little substance there by CI I couldn’t be bothered to get excited.

BTW – you can be my marketing manager anytime. I will look FINE with Salma on my arm. Yessir, I will look mighty fine. Even Danny Devito would look like Clooney in that situation.

Leobeer
Leobeer
September 11, 2012 3:41 am

Llpoh, I am sure some of your employees think you are a total prick. That said, if I were living in America I would apply for a job at your company today. You are just the type of person I would be willing to work for…..and I am the type of person you want to employ.

Stucky
Stucky
September 11, 2012 3:59 am

Kudos to you, llpoh, for not taking Crazy Ivan’s bait.

I’m guessing that he, 1) makes a lot of mistakes on the job and, 2) has been fired multiple times.

I can think of no other reason why he would arbitrarily shit on your postings.

llpoh
llpoh
September 11, 2012 4:16 am

Thanks, Stuck. Really.

Leobeer – thank you too. If you want to piss an employee off and have him or her think you are a prick, all you have to do is tell them “no” to any request they make, no matter how outrageous: “I want six months off work, paid”. “No”. ” You are a big prick, LLPOH”. Etc etc.

But I think my good employees like me ok. Why? I leave them the hell alone and make sure everyone else does, too. No exceptions. Screw with my employees and you are gone. They do an honest days work, get paid, and deserve respect for it and deserve to be left alone. That is why I have somme outstanding people who work for me that could make a lot more money elsewhere. But they know that not having to put up shit is worth more than any amount of money. Sometimes one leaves for more money. Almost without exception the return in a few weeks or months. I welcome them back.

llpoh
llpoh
September 11, 2012 4:31 am

I do not mind putching lazy employees. What I gonize over is hard working but incompetent employees – ones doing the best with what they have to offer. I move heaven and earth to find work they can do to make me a profit, or at least not lose me money. I love hard-working folks, I admire them. I respect them. Many times I can find work, at least in the mid-term. It is harder and harder to do each year. To my dismay.

Stucky
Stucky
September 11, 2012 4:39 am

“Almost without exception the return in a few weeks or months. I welcome them back.” — llpoh

I worked for a manufacturer once (electronic gauges, fuel and oil pressure) and we lost our top engineer … a friggin genius … to a competitor. A month later he wanted to come back. The owner — who really liked (and needed) the former employee would hear none of it. I wanted him back and pleaded with the owner. He rattled off several reasons why hiring back ex-employees was a bad business decision. It actually made sense.

Just my two cents worth. Nothing more. Glad it works out for you.

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 11, 2012 4:45 am

When they come back, they stay. Grass wasnt greener, etc. And good employees are so hard to find it is worth any risk to get them back.

flash
flash
September 11, 2012 4:51 am

Loopy, I don’t know y’all handle HR/personnel , but at my former company some bean counter decided that money could be saved by out-sourcing the hiring process to a temp agency ,thereby putting the burden of FICA and W/C on the TA until the 6 week trail period was up.

IMO, this was a total flop ,because the temp service just sent us whatever dregs was hanging around and willing to pay the temp service to be employed.

If I needed a worker , I would call the temp service and tell then to send 14 people.By the end of the day I had sent 11 home and maybe in the next few weeks 1 of the 3 remaining might work out .

In the 2 years I ran the plant , there were several hundred temps come through the doors that left shortly thereafter…some requiring police escort.

The owner by allowing so much flotsome to drift in and out of the production operation unchecked created an unnatural combative atmosphere that put unnecessary strain and stress on the management , especially line supervisors.
I had several leave in tears.
And, I know of a few to carry a snub-nose in their boots.

Therein again, an example of how government forcing company owners to be tax and insurance collectors has led them to shirk their personnel screening duty in order to save a nickel, which resulted in an unwieldy workforce and an unhealthy work place.

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 11, 2012 5:01 am

It costs me 6k to 10k to hire and train one employee. I have to hire 5 to find one avrage keeper, nd ten average to get one great. So i could pend a half million trying to find one great mployee. Damn straight i welcome them back. The average ones, too, for that matter. What is the downside? They leave. Same as if i don’t take them back at all. No downside, all upside. In my opinion. And thy almost never leave again.

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 11, 2012 5:06 am

Flsh – I agree, fuck temps. Your experience is right. We hire our own. Pitch 4 keep 1. But wy better odds, and cheaper, than temps. Plus temps piss of the other employees.

Flash, I do EVERYTHING. That is why we survive. Delegate and die, if you run a small business.

card802
card802
September 11, 2012 7:32 am

Lloph,

Your story of finding two union workers sleeping and the manager walking away reminded me of the paper mill in my town. My uncle and aunt (high school education only) worked there for years. His job was to push a button when a light came on. No shit, that was his job for 25 years. He had a big cushy chair with books to read. She was in the shipping department pushing paper. Both union members.
He worked overtime as well, a double shift for one year, single shift the next year, then another double shift, did that for years. The double shift was spent sleeping on a hidden bed while a co-worker would cover for him, then they would switch the next year. Management also knew this was happening but did nothing. So in effect my uncle was paid double time to sleep. In this fashion he was able to pay cash for a beautiful house with river frontage, a cabin on 40 acres in the north woods of Michigan, a condo in Florida, a big diesel truck with 35′ fifth wheel to travel around in.
The paper mill shut down in 2009 but he got his.
He is living the high life on his pension, his wife’s pension and SS. Remember, it’s up to the business owner to provide a living wage to ignorant button pushers……
I really hate unions.

Hollow man
Hollow man
September 11, 2012 8:02 am

You cannot trust most employees either. If you find one you can trust then treat them very well without telling the other pricks. Half of our time is spent dealing with problems employees. Yesterday 1/2 a day.

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 11, 2012 9:54 am

Hollowman – sad but true. I am in that boat every day.

TeresaE
TeresaE
September 11, 2012 11:35 am

Ah, the truth.

Great, profit-making, employees were hard to find twenty years ago.

Now they are nearly impossible, especially in heavily unionized parts of the country. In Detroit, odds are really good that the person you are interviewing was either raised by a unionist, married to one, or has great friends that are currently. Luckily, it is usually really easy to tell when you are speaking to one, all their questions are “me” questions. What will I make, how much time will I get off, how little do I have to pay for benefits, how many sick days to I get, how many raises do you give?

Then, I just answer honestly, they pale and then remove themselves from the applicant pool.

Ah, temp services. I did permanent placement for one back in the 90s, when jobs started to wane and applicants started to increase I debated going into temp (because the writing was on the wall, majority of new jobs are temp & contract) but could not see myself stomaching it. Dregs is right.

You should have seen the applicants for temp when unemployment was 2%. Ye gads, everyone employable was employed. All that was left were unemployed but would throw on a suit to get enough cash to go play some more.

Now, it is just the complete dumbing down of our country. We are raising our families to do less, play more, blame others. Working just doesn’t enter into the discussion.

So, LLPOH, what do you think about the Fortune 500 companies changing policies and procedures to “attract” the youth workers? I’ve actually read about interviews being conducted WITH THE PARENTS present! And they are hiring these little brain-dead morons!

I hope to hell you can survive the next few years LLPOH, I’m about 90% sure my hub’s business won’t, but guys like you give me a little hope. Thanks.

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