Yes, the earth has been here for many millions of years. She’ll still be here if or when the Last Human goes the way of the dinosaur … a fact of life given enough time, but hopefully not in our lifetimes. By “saving earth” I mean minimal resources to sustain human life. You know, things like fertile soil not depleted of all life-giving minerals, fish in the waters, unpolluted air, a little oil to make life easier …. and so on.
So, we have this Newbie, either a Brit or Scot, who posted yesterday in the “Google” thread, and she said this;
“I am a great fan of our eminent environmental lawyer Polly Higgins who is pushing to bring in a law that protects the environment…she calls it ecocide and she is worth checking out.”
Curious fellow that I am, I did check it out. Hence, this post.
I often mock my beloved seester for being a tree-hugging save-the-whale libtard. But, the fact of the matter is this; I too love trees, whales, and the Earth. I just don’t like my seester’s SOLUTIONS.
God knows I love her … but she’s a hypocrite. Her hubby drives a ginormous gas guzzling Chrysler pickup. They’ll spend literally hundreds of dollars in gas and expenses taking their fucking Cocktoo on a 300 mile round trip somewhere in New York state every time the batshit stupid bird eats some wires or other toxic shit, which happens at least two or three times a year. She loves trees but has more than a few very expensive, rare, and exotic woods in her home. I’m talking Teak and Brazilian Rosewood, which is now actually illegal to buy. There’s more, but you get the point. I just don’t like hypocrites, even if they are family members.
But, I learned from my parents to love the earth. They PRACTICE earth-love. I have already shared their extreme recycling, re-using, and not-using of earth’s resources. They’re not perfect, but they try real hard to be. The only American magazine they ever subscribed to was National Geographic. And they eventually cancelled it, not because they didn’t enjoy it, but it broke their little hearts to see page after page of mass destruction brought to them in glossy full-page Technicolor; the decimation of forests, the destruction of the Amazon, the extinction of plant, fish, and wildlife. We’re destroying the only home we humans have, and it became too much for them to even look at.
It pains me to think that it took millions of years for oil to form, and that’s it’s almost half gone in a mere 100 years. It pains me to see giant earth-movers scoop up tons of earth in one scoop, raping and scaring and stripping the earth of everything of value. The Maf is quite simple. At the current rate of consumption in 100 years there will be only one element left on earth; Carbon, courtesy of a few billion rotting human carcasses.
OK, maybe that last sentence was a tad bit extreme. Maybe. But, if you deny that the needs and wants of 7 billion human souls are exacting a terrible scourge upon earth, then you are just a Blind-As-A-Bat-Dumbass. So solly.
Humanity has a few questions to answer;
—-1) Will we even acknowledge that the consumption of FINITE resources cannot continue for much longer? Again, it’s really a most basic math question.
—2) Is the problem even fixable? Or, do we just merrily stroll along until The End appears? Will we delude ourselves into a Star Trek mentality; that humanity will escape to the stars? Or, more pertinently, that endless improvement in technology will provide all solutions to all problems … all of us will have a fucking Replicator to feed us a ham sammich!
—3) If we can fix it, do we have the WILL to fix it?
———- Do we have the political will? Can politicians stop pandering and actually lead? Can they stop being bought off? If certain countries can’t or won’t comply, can they be forced at the point of a gun? Is a nation willing to imprison or fine its own non-compliant citizens? Does any government have the balls to fine or terminate a violating corporation.
———- Do we have the economic will? Do people have the will to fix it if it means THEIR job will be eliminated? Do people have the will to fix it if it means an INCREASE in living costs, whether that be via higher taxes, increased unit costs and fewer choices?
———- Do we have the spiritual will? Is mankind too selfish, greedy, etc. to ever fix the problem, and the only reason we haven’t stripped the entire Earth bare previously is because ….. we couldn’t?
—4) WHO should fix it? Government? Public and / or private corporations? Grassroots people? Mostly Big Nations with Big Money and Big Resources? Bill Gates? Some combination of all? Do we realize that if Everybody waits for Somebody, then only Nobody will do it?
–5) Once all the above are answered, then the $64,000 question is; HOW do we fix it?
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And, so, Question 5, brings me to the video below from Polly Higgins.
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I know most of you lazy shits won’t watch it, so here is the pertinent quote starting @1:05;
“Currently our laws are governed primarily by Property Laws. And this is really what we have to change … to move away from Property Laws to Trusteeship Laws. So, rather than “I OWN” to “I OWE”. I owe a duty of care to this planet. And what that means in real terms is recognizing that in truth we do not have ownership over the soils and the seas and the trees. We only have ownership over that which we create, that which we build. But the Earth itself, the land itself, we do not have ownership over it. We created that idea. We have created contracts … on a piece of paper … an artificial creation.”
I BELIEVE THIS IDEA HAS SOME MERIT!! In an ideal world it would work!
I can hear it already.————- “Communist!! Nazi!! Fuckwad!! ANTI-CONSTITUTION!!! Dumbass! Blow me!! Worst post ever, and that’s saying something. Waste of time!! Move over bb, the new Village Idiot has arrived!!”
Once you get that out of your system, perhaps you can agree to a reasonable basic premise; mankind has arrived to this point COLLECTIVELY —- communism, fascism, capitalism, dictators, kings and queens, democracy, republics, monarchy, theocracy, corporatism, Hayek & Keynes ——- all had a place at some table, some where, some time and brought us here. That is what is known as a fact.
“Oh, but capitalism was never really fully implemented!! It had too many enemies! Too many obstacles! Politicians and lawyers and bankers fucked it up! Give us another chance to prove once and for all that Capitalism is the best system ever devised by mankind! It’s even in the Bible!”
Perhaps. But it sounds like an excuse to me. We’ve tried that, done that. How many times shall we continue to try the same thing? Does it make sense to believe that the systems and institutions and beliefs that got us into this mess are the very same systems and institutions and beliefs that now have The Solution? Surely, you know the standard definition of “insanity”! Is a “new and improved” version of the same thing the answer? Or, is it just putting lipstick on a pig?
I don’t know if “Trusteeship Law” is the answer to save the earth. But what if it IS? Shouldn’t you be selling you house this spring?
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Now the last person who should be giving me any shit about this is that Buffalo Humper, Chief llpoh. His Injun kinfolk had pretty much exactly the same beliefs. Hopefully, he hasn’t forgotten his roots.
“One does not sell the land people walk on.” –Crazy Horse
“What is this you call property? It cannot be the earth, for the land is our mother, nourishing all her children, beasts, birds, fish and all men. The woods, the streams, everything on it belongs to everybody and is for the use of all. How can one man say it belongs only to him?” –Massasoit
“Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.” –– Indian Proverb
“We do not own the freshness of the air or the sparkle of the water. How can you buy them from us?” -Sealth
“My reason teaches me that land cannot be sold. The Great Spirit gave it to his children to live upon. So long as they occupy and cultivate it, they have a right to the soil. Nothing can be sold but such things as can be carried away” –Black Hawk
Most Reverent Stucky:
You’ve picked a hard sell here. Most people will prefer a slow painful (but not too painful) death to facing the next hundred years. In a nutshell, about 90% of humanity is done for. You can diddle the data all you want but it’s still tough shit.
Here’s the real problem. People need critical thinking skills and a large knowledge base that comes from life-long education. Know any one that has critical thinking skills and such knowledge?
That’s what I thought. Take a look at the comments section on most websites. See any reasoned arguments? Or even signs of a desire to learn in a rational way? Nope. Just emotional rants and pissed off and confused voting age adults with the emotional development of eighth graders.
Homo con lingua and that’s about all you get.
I’m a bit extreme in my beliefs, namely that most of the environmental issues would dry up and go away if we didn’t stubbornly insist that every human has the right to reproduce unchecked.
The rape of the world’s forests, oceans and fresh water would not be happening nearly as quickly if countries didn’t subsidize food and other essentials.
“Men go and come, but the Earth Abides.”
Interesting book, Earth Abides, written in the 40’s, in it most of the human population reaches a certain level and simply dies off from disease. Just a small handful of people left, not your typical apocalyptic novel of town vs town wars or zombies, but mans struggle to remove himself from what was to what is, and attempt to remain.
Or we turn Star Trekie and reach for the stars.
The Dude Abides
“Most people will prefer a slow painful (but not too painful) death to facing the next hundred years.”
—————- Screech
Yup. We’ll worry about it ………… tomorrow.
My own belief is that Noah’s Great Flood is a myth. That doesn’t mean we can’t learn from it though.
For example, the story relates that RIGHT UP UNTIL THE DAY THE RAINS STARTED FALLING …… the people diddled around leading their ordinary boring lives without a care in the world. When the first raindrop fell, it was already too late.
There’s a “lesson” to be learned in there, somewhere.
Stuck
The answer is abiotic oil. It’s all good.
The earth doesn’t give a fuck about us. It wanted plastic.
having some indian in me, I get it
but I can guarantee for a fact, we will destroy this planet to the point it makes Mars look like hospitable vacation land
as long as there is money, there will be greed
as long as there is greed, nothing changes
ever watch one of those logging shows on tv?
the profit margin these guys talk about is near zero
they destroy for almost nothing
look at that gold show….name escapes me
the dude in south America fucking wrecks that claim, makes about 4 grand and destroys acres of pristine rainforest
obscenity in the name of a hunt for money
and the dick has the nerve to call it 3:16 mining company
sick to the extreme
in the name of Christ I will destroy all he has created
nauseating
“Stuck The answer is abiotic oil. It’s all good.” ——- Admin
FUCKEN A!!! Several years of PERSISTENCE pays off! A convert! Woohoo!
Too bad it’s all bullshit. Your grandkids, my 3 grandkids, or at best their kids will be living a per-industrial lifestyle. The only question is will it be Bronze Age or Stone Age.
Hilarious, all aged hippies and neo-hippie earth muffins, trying to save the earth. And Al Gore, flying around talking about global warming, meanwhile his private jet dumps a few million tons of carbon into the atmosphere. 95% of “environmentalists” are hypocrites and frauds. The only true environmentalists being people like Stuck’s parents.
Americans consume 60% of the worlds resources (or least we used to). Now that the boomers are getting old and used up everything they could get their hands on with no thought of the consequences, they want to leave a few scraps for the kids. How nice. They ate themselves into being the most obese generation in history. They love gas-guzzling SUV’s, especially ones made in Japan (Lexus) or Korea. Their obesity alone requires an extra 938 million additional gallons of fuel each year. What’s that doing to the environment? What’s the cost to the environment to produce all the food that made them the fattest generation ever, and the acceptance of obesity that they spawned? In toxic fertilizer, herbicide, fungicides?
They love living an oversized life for their massively oversized bodies. When they’re gone, the kids that aren’t even born yet will pay for their largess and debt for their entire lives. God knows what type of standard of living or planet they will have.
“ever watch one of those logging shows on tv?” ——— boondoggle
Yes. For less than 10 minutes. Such beautiful trees, some hundreds of years old, gone in 30 minutes. Couldn’t watch it.
I was going to mentioned that in my thread. But, I focused more on non-renewable resources. Trees will grow back, eventually. But, I’m glad you did.
My own belief is that Noah’s Great Flood is a myth. -stucky
i happen to like you stucco, even though you write malovent code and dopple.
but you will find the deluge in most every religion.
Hilarious, all aged hippies and neo-hippie earth muffins, trying to save the earth-awd
and you trying to save the obese.
yanno,awd, its not about the earth, its about saving the obese, which you dislike, so, tell me how does your plan, obese since foregone, help?
” …but you will find the deluge in most every religion.” ——— Anonymous
1) Not true. Often used by Christians to “prove” the story is legitimate. Several religions? Yes. But, not “most every”.
2). It doesn’t matter how many religions have the story. It proves …… nothing.
3). I can’t wait for the movie. I’ll go see it. I like Russel Crowe. I love fantasy movies.
4). One of these days I’m going to write a Noah’s flood post. It would be a Doozy.
do i have your number awd?
tell me, dr, you dont care about the obese, you hate them, but they pay, and you would rather see skinny old farts, but even these you dislike.
you should mow yards, or create really tough golf courses in the desert so those old fucks you profit from die instead.
so goes your career
1) Not true. Often used by Christians to “prove” the story is legitimate. Several religions? Yes. But, not “most every”.
Even socrates talked of this deluge.
2). It doesn’t matter how many religions have the story. It proves …… nothing.
didnt say it did
3). I can’t wait for the movie. I’ll go see it. I like Russel Crowe. I love fantasy movies.
fuck rc
4). One of these days I’m going to write a Noah’s flood post. It would be a Doozy.
im waiting
most every insight driver is a nimby
most every religion talks about a flood
pagans speak of a deluge
there were once inland seas im norte mericano
Yeah I noticed that Mia chick over on the Google thread while reading from work last night. She better have some granite underwear if she plans to become a regular here! The welcome alone will have her withering in the corner like a daffodil in Death Valley. Sometimes the things you don’t know really can hurt you!
Thanks for posting Stucky!
I_S
tell me, stucco, where these waters, went.
in the whiterock, here, dallas area, i found many a shell. nautllus.
pollux down, hah.
ignorant yankme
big stupid feck, lick my man boob as you lick yours.
as plates rise
so do they fall
Anonymous
I am not going to get into a Noah’s Flood discussion. I only brought it up to make a point — that historically, even going back far into Biblical times, most humans NEVER prepare.
But thanks for increasing the post count. I honestly thought it would not receive even a single comment. Save-the-earth stuff ain’t exactly a popular topic.
yet you will post a noahs flood discussion.
thx for the pollux south stuck =)
luvyaman
The earth plus plastic. Our job is complete and we can make our exit. Surely some other planet wants plastic too.
Anon, the Jews stole the flood story from the Babylonians (Epic of Gilgamesh). As Jews always do, they fucked that up as well. The Ark was made from woven reeds and was round.
” … yet you will post a noahs flood discussion.” —— Anonymous
That’s correct … in a SEPARATE thread. A few people have asked for it.
I will not participate in your hijacking this one.
BTW, your posts seem to be that of a juvenile imbecile.
Stucky:
See what I meant about eighth graders?
great post from a great CONSERVative—–it does matter,despite the juvenile remarks.
BTW, your posts seem to be that of a juvenile imbecile. -Sticky
seem
so you are not sure
bring it on pshycoanalyzed wife
castrated men posing as libertariians
weak willed fucks. dont be afraid to see the womens side.
See what I meant about eighth graders? -scrucky
can you back that up?
Jeezus, who’s the fucking idiot troll?
Admin, a little help?
Stuck
I liked the post, never met a tree I didnt like. We live in times when the wild died. In my generation or yours I think officially the wild is dead, just ever shrinking preserves, kinda like big zoo’s getting smaller each day. Its truely saddening and fucks with me alot. I live a very simple life, even have an out house, not for long the misses is shit tired of it. But my property taxes alone keep me grinding it out, participating in the wanton destruction. All who have attempted to stand are wiped out and will be wiped out by those who participate in modernity, fact. We will suck this planet dry, consuming everything, try and stop us.
Amen ….Reminds me of the old days when I believed in mankind and hope for the future. Smokin blunts in the basement and listening to my old Nektar Recycled album in Nineteen hundred and 75. Great lyrics
A nation’s urgent greed
fulfills anothers greed
going down down down
down down down down
Fly across the concrete jungle
high in the clouds
Looking up to crystal mountains so proud.
No need to wonder why
nature slowly dies
going down down down
Going down down down
down down down down.
Industrial agriculture is arguably the most destructive force on earth. There’s not much the average person can do to improve the earth except buying your food from micro farmers nearby who farm like your peasant ancestors. Yes this means you’ll have to cook from scratch. It’s all about making the soil alive once again. Once that happens, nature makes the place verdant. Sterile soil leads to deserts.
“Land should never have been property in the first place. …… Currently our laws are governed primarily by Property Laws. And this is really what we have to change … to move away from Property Laws to Trusteeship Laws. So, rather than “I OWN” to “I OWE”. I owe a duty of care to this planet.”
—-from the Polly Higgins video
“I BELIEVE THIS IDEA HAS SOME MERIT!! In an ideal world it would work!”
—-Stucky
Hmmm. Sticky thinks Polly is on to something. WTF is his “ideal world?” I’ll tell you exactly what it is. The world as defined by Sticky. No more, no less. His Royal Stickiness, out of 6 billion people on the planet, can lead us out of the darkness and show us ideal.
Great. Now start chewing on this. It’s a fucking history puzzle, dipstick. See if you can figure it out. “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.”
Mike Moskos says:
“Industrial agriculture is arguably the most destructive force on earth.”
You’re as dumb as Stucky. Did you major in Advanced Stupid?
A rambling, retarded post, deserves a rambling, retarded post:
Some rather large problems: NOBODY knows how much oil / oil derivatives are in the Earth, nobody. So to say we are half way through the total amount of oil in a hundred years in is a ridiculous statement. For all you or I know, we are 90% through the oil, or 10% through the oil, don’t pretend to know something that is un-knowable, with current technology. And don’t tell me that oil is going up because it has become more scarce…..it’s becoming more expensive to pull out of the ground, and there are more people bidding on it, but that does not mean it is more scarce. As far as I know, they weren’t mining oil sands in the 1910’s, and if they were I’m sure it was super expensive compared to sticking a straw in the ground……technology and price has made oil sands a relevant source. We may very well have 500 years of oil left because of a technology shift (in how things are made and how oil is produced) and / or a price shift making oil so expensive to get with current methods other methods will be created (fracking anyone? – I know fracking has been around a long time, not just in the past 10 years.)
In the case of oil what will most likely happen is what has always happened, at some point the costs associated with oil production will get so high, that it will become feasible to switch over to some new source of energy (that may or may not currently be around) and the higher costs of the new inefficient energy will be over looked in the short run as the long run benefits are figured out. What will this new source of energy be? I have no idea, I’m not Creskin, that is for the market to figure out. Listen to me, THE MARKET (you, me, your sister) will figure it out. As long as there is a profit to be made, someone will create a better mouse trap, for EVERY problem in this world, there is someone that stands to gain for fixing it, it is just a question of costs.
This dumbshit idea of no property is what would doom us. Most (90% or more- here’s me making an assumption) people feel more duty to their family than the planet. A tree, or a safe and warm place for your family to live? A wild animal, or a gun and your child tossing a ball safely in the yard? If I can’t own the land my house sits on, then anybody could come up and tear it down in the name of “the land.” The collective makes a decision about your family? That bitch in the video had to live somewhere, what ecosystem was transformed so she could live where she lives I’ll bet she doesn’t worry about some long gone animal that used to live where her house is; good for me, but not for thee. Really, you’d let a bunch of twig smokers tell you how to live? The woman in the video makes quite a statement when she says, “we have ownership over that which we create, which we build…” but her point is, you can’t do what you want to the land, you can’t build on it, because you’re harming it. So in fact, you can own nothing.
A dollar bill is a contract you dipshit. Try buying a granola bar with a bongo drum solo. At the end of the day, someone must be in charge, I’d rather be in charge of my own destiny (or as much as possible) then leaving it up to the “collective.” People are inherently compassionate AND evil. There is a great collective in North Korea, it works out great for everyone that isn’t in power, just ask the guy that starved to death.
On top of all of that, Intellectual Property, is property. Take away the profit motive and there would be no invention. How many great inventions came out of the Soviet Union in the last 150 years? The AK, and I’m sure there are at least 4 others I’m unaware of. N.O. P.R.O.F.I.T. M.O.T.I.V.E. vs. the US in the same time frame? Remember, a patent protects your I.P. so you can reap the rewards of your labor. To remove the idea of property, is to remove all types of property, IP included. Remember her contradiction that I pointed to earlier. Where would you create your idea and test it? In a field far away from people because it’s a new and dangerous type of energy……sorry, there’s a rat that lives there humanity will just have to take one for the team.
To close, what the US did to the indians was beyond fucked-up. But if you don’t believe you own the land, then it was never stolen. They believed that no one could own the land, but their belief was contradicted by how they lived. Everyone had their own tee-pee, wait, everybody didn’t sleep in one big tee-pee? Sounds like somebody owned something……I’m willing to bet that you couldn’t pick up a guys tee-pee and move it, so you could put yours where his sat. Anarchy is a bitch, then you get put on a reservation.
Don’t have kids.
Over the course of the last week or so, my two youngest children have been pouring over my collection of Indian artifacts. I have thousands of them each one picked up out of the soil, dropped between 300 and 12,000 years ago on the same land we have all inhabited. Occasionally I will find a relic of our own time- last year I found a silver tablespoon with a monogram of the guy who owned the land back at the turn of the century and I returned it to his great granddaughter, my current neighbor and she was thrilled to put it back with the rest of her family silverware. She shares with me photos of the farm the wway it looked 110 years ago. The guy who owned it in between used to come up to the farm to visit. He had Alzheimers pretty bad, but the woman who brought him said that the moment they drove up the driveway he would light up and start talking about the farm, and when we walked around and talked I never noticed anything in him but love for this place and a trove of memories. His last visit before he passed away we sat on the edge of the hill overlooking the pond and ate egg salad sandwiches from the chickens we raise and just talked about the land. Both of us have hunted it and fished it. We’ve logged and hayed and planted and disced, burned brush fire, tapped maples, raised chickens and geese and ducks and pigs and sheep and cattle and goats on it. Our children have grown up in it’s fields and pastures, woodlots and streams. We’ve taken dips in the ponds, slept out under the spray of stars above it, endured the losses through fire and predator, disease and drought. We had good years and great years, hard years and brutal Winters. Down in the basement of the milk house on an old post there is a record of every deer thatmy old friend ever took written in dark pencil with a steady hand.
Every day of my life I do something that improves the quality of the life on this farm; yesterday we delivered the last calf of the 2014 season and tomorrow we start tapping the maple orchard, some three thousand taps over seventy five acres and by Town Meeting Day we will probably start boiling our first syrup which we will do every single day, 10-12 hours a day until the leaves bud out and we start to get the fields gardens ready for Summer. My wife and children work with me every day, but only as much as they care to because I want them to love work, not dread it. When we have had enough of fences or weeding we go fish for brookies in the stream, or harvest fiddlehead ferns in Spring and gather mushrooms in the Fall. We make plans often and revise them constantly to fit the land rather than our own desires. Pretty much every day someone comes up to buy some hamburger or eggs or to hunt the back part of the property in season, or snowmobile the wide open meadows on the southern flank of the mountain. At th end of every visit the people always linger by their cars looking out at the fields and forests and trying to get their kids to hop in with them- always hard to do when there are piglets chasing the chickens or we’re pressing apples and the juice is free to whoever wants a taste- and they tell me how lucky we are to live like this. Most times when people pay me for whatever it is they buy and I reach into my pocket for change they stop me and tellme no, no change, please keep it and I know it isn’t because they like me, but because of what we are doing for this property.
A few years ago when I was rebuilding a loading dock on the front of the sugarhouse to the same scale and style as one that was there back in the 1890’s (I’ve seen the photographs of the old men standing on it, wearing worn out suit coats and floppy hats, standing stock still for the camera and grinning like little boys). I would work on it in the evenings when the Sun had gone behind the mountain and cut and nail the boards by myself in the cooler air and I had during that entire time the oddest feeling that I was being watched, intently, by someone I could never quite catch a glimpse of standing in the open door of the sugarhouse. It got to the point where I would make sure to open the door before I commenced my work just in case there really was someone there watching and after I had completed that job, I never got that feeling again.
I think, but maybe with a different perspective than the woman in the video, that we never really do “own the land”. In truth, we don’t, the local government does because even though I have no mortgage, should I fail to pay my taxes on time, as much as we are respected and thought of in this community, they would begin the process of taking this land away from us, prefering to let it sit abandoned and to fall into disrepair than to allow us to continue our stewardship of it. That’s just how govrnments roll, nothing personal, but someone has to run the rackets and keep the flow of money going.
I have given up on the belief that I really own anything. Everything we have, starting with our families, are nothing more than a temporary arrangement. When my old friend died last Winter I went to his funeral and spent a lot of time talking with his children- he had 10- and to a one they have all made a point to stop by to visit. I show them all the pencilled record of their father’s deer hunts and to the oldest son I even returned his old Daisy BB gun that I found under a boulder not far from the sugarhouse where his littel brother, a jealous six year old in 1949, had concealed it.
We all leave relics of our time here and in some distant future someone inevitably picks them up and wonders, if only briefly, what relics they will leave behind to be found by others.
So no, we never really own the land, but if we are careful stewards and treat it well, we can know that for a brief moment, the land has owned us. And owns us still.
I wish I could be as eloquent as you, Hardscrabble… I’ve often tried to express to people how owning and caring for land becomes part of your DNA. You can travel the world and see more beautiful places, but you don’t have the same “connection” with it that you do with “your own” land.
You’re right, it’s never really “ours.” We’re just the current caretakers. We improve it to pass it along to our families or others who would have the same respect for it we do. Or so we hope, with every cell of our being.
That’s why I hate hearing “environmentalists” claim that only the government can care for the land, that the government should make decisions on its stewardship. That so far from the truth, from evidential experience, that it’s laughable. It’s the individual, the families, who care, because that land is what feeds them — physically and spiritually — and no third party will ever replicate that.
Thanks for sharing that with us. You are an exceptional story teller. I hope you keep these to share with your children and their children and future generations always.
“The world as defined by Sticky. No more, no less. His Royal Stickiness, out of 6 billion people on the planet, can lead us out of the darkness and show us ideal.” ——–SSS
Go fuck yourself. NOWHERE do I say I have answers. In fact, the thread ASKS questions, it doesn’t answer them. Did I say “Trusteeship Laws” are the answer? No! I said I “believe” it has “SOME” merit. Then I even spelled it out at the end – “I don’t know if “Trusteeship Law” is the answer to save the earth.”.— I guess you missed that because you’re either stupid or an idiot.
“Great. Now start chewing on this. It’s a fucking history puzzle, dipstick. See if you can figure it out. “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.” ——– Super Stupid Shithead (SSS)
Great. When the last ounce of uranium is mined, when the last drop of oil is gone, when the oceans are polluted and devoid of life ……. well, how will your offspring (you’ll be long dead – if you’re not already) enjoy your fucking liberty then?
“That’s why I hate hearing “environmentalists” claim that only the government can care for the land, that the government should make decisions on its stewardship.” —— Thinker
I hate governments as much as the next guy here on TBP. I have also gone on record as saying that I don’t believe ZERO government is possible.
“Environmentalism” may be one of those areas. I am NOT saying ONLY government is the answer, but they need to be partially involved. Specifically, who will keep Corporations from continuing to do the wrong thing? Fuck the earth – all that matters is profits and their obligations to “stakeholders”.
Also, people like Hardscrabble Farmer are far and few between.
Stucky, you would hate allodial title.
I don’t know, Stucky. I would hazard a guess that most farmers are like Hardscrabble. Maybe eFarmer, Billy or other landowners here can weigh in on how they take care of their land.
And I didn’t suggest that government should be left out of it. I agree that regulations should be established to ensure that corporations — those without ties to the land and only profit motives — don’t destroy the earth, pollute, etc. I will say, though, that I’m MORE in favor of local government having more input into that. People who will be most affected, with more skin in the game, rather than bureaucrats in Washington who want to pass “one size fits all” legislation and regulations, many of which benefit corporations, not local communities.
That said, I recognize that local control of regulations may choose to look the other way when it means jobs for local communities, or no desire to protect other communities downstream. There has to be a balance. What we don’t have enough of in current regulation is balance.
The “environmentalists” I spoke of in my post are those who think they know what’s best for everyone else, based often on flawed science and ideologies that are not shared, nor often in the best interest of either humans OR the land.
“A rambling, retarded post, deserves a rambling, retarded post:” —- BOOSH the DOUCHE
What’s retarded is your inability to make paragraph breaks. You said you’re going to make a “a rambling, retarded post”. Good call, you exceeded your own expectations.
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“We may very well have 500 years of oil left” —- BOOSH the DOUCHE
Not just retarded, but FUCKING retarded. Congrats.
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“(fracking anyone?)” —– BOOSH the DOUCHE
Bwaaaahahaha. Not just retarded, but ENORMOUSLY FUCKING retarded. Congrats.
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“Listen to me, THE MARKET will figure it out.” —– BOOSH the DOUCHE
The SAME “market” that is destroying the environment will “figure out” how to save it? Foxes and hen-houses. I’ll bet you think Congress is serious in investigating whether or not Oreo should be impeached. You think the market is — “(you, me, your sister)”?? hahaha. Goddamn idiot.
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“ …(a shit load of incoherent ramblings), ending with, —- “Anarchy is a bitch, then you get put on a reservation.” —– BOOSH the DOUCHE
You fucking retard. You are exactly the kind of person of would have stepped off the Mayflower saying, “Fuck you, you dumbass Injun. This land now belongs to ME.” If I was that Indian I would have removed your scalp. Khoda hafez.