Well, both those posts you put up seem to support my position – that the blockade forced England to source cotton from elsewhere and caused the cotton in the South to pile up in warehouses…
A year into the war, India is supplying England with 90% of their cotton, up from 31% before the war.
After the war – once the blockade is lifted and Southern cotton is again available – India loses the English cotton market.
Southern Sage
February 24, 2015 2:31 pm
Damn! I wanted to write about my heroic Confederate ancestor , but I found out he was a private with a misery in his bowels who never even saw a Yankee and spent three years of the war hiding in a corn crib!
Hagar
February 24, 2015 2:54 pm
I am an American by birth and a Southerner by the grace of God. But, why do we keep fighting the ‘War of Northern Aggression, The War Between the States, the Civil War, The War Between the North and South, or Lincoln’s War’? Some of my best friends keep re-fighting the battles won or lost. ???
The one thing I found interesting in the post was the Rebel Yell. A few years ago I had read that no one knew what the Rebel Yell sounded like. Now I know…sort of.
flash
February 24, 2015 3:27 pm
Hagar , But, why do we keep fighting the ‘War of Northern Aggression,
No blood has be let, so why do you give a fat ratz azz, unless you just want to squeak your own mouse? History and what we can learn from the past matters , that’s why the fuck .
Appalachian Trail Deblazer
February 24, 2015 3:27 pm
The last Confederate General Officer to surrender was Brig. General Stand Watie on 23 Jun 1865.
General Watie was also Chief of the Cherokee Nation. The Battalion consisted of Creeks, Osage and Seminole, These brave Indians were Confederates and did not like the invasion of Union troops also.
flash
February 24, 2015 3:32 pm
Billy I’m sure the blockades played a part , but FWIW much of Southern cotton was smuggled North to be shipped to Europe via Northeastern ports., but either way, cotton diplomacy failed and the North had more gold, and as the golden rule goes…
Even with the valiant effort of the Union Navy, generally the blockade was a mixed bag, with nearly 80 percent of the attempts to run the blockade successful. But because it was forced to have small ships carrying small amounts of goods, the Confederacy slowly ground to a halt, cotton exports were reduced over 95 percent. No nation can stand against itself, and eventually the Civil War, in all of its bloody battle action drew to a close. While successful in scope, the actions of the U.S. Navy and Union Naval forces during the Civil War were very rough on the nation as a whole, and it was several decades until the U.S. Navy successfully healed from having its forces divided in such a manner.
Billy
February 24, 2015 4:09 pm
“But, why do we keep fighting the ‘War of Northern Aggression…?” – Hagar
Because, my fellow Southron, that particular event set the tone for North/South relations that endure to this day.
Damnyankees have always looked down upon Southerners, even going back to Colonial times. The South was demonized during Mr. Lincoln’s War (even though the whole South saw what kind of heinous, barbaric assholes the Yankees were when Sherman and his swarm burned their way through the South).
This stereotype was reinforced post-war when the Hatfield/McCoy feud was sensationalized in every paper in Yankeeland.
It was again reinforced with the advent of “moving pictures”, with Southerners – especially those in the Appalachian mountains – being portrayed as amoral, toothless, backwards, violent drunkards skunked on their own likker.
It was again reinforced post-WWII by Damnyankee newspapers and “journalists” during the Snivel Rights Movement, portraying Southerners as mouthbreathing, crude, evil “RAAAYCISSTS!”…
The history of These United States – east of the Mississippi – could just be considered the “my shit don’t stink” fucking Yankees fucking with the Southerners unprovoked, all the while making bucks off of exploiting our people and resouces…
I mean, lookit this shit! I type in “fucking yankees” in the search engine, and I end up with pages and pages of assholes bagging on Southerners… in fact, that shit even happens here on TBP… not saying I can’t take it, just saying it happens…
So, here’s a big FUCK YOU! to the fucking Yankees in general… some of y’all are okay, but the rest can go eat all the dicks in that bag…
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Billy
February 24, 2015 4:16 pm
My first point was that American involvement in the slave trade was an abomination – stand alone, all by itself, it was an abomination. 12 million humans yanked out of their homeland, and sent into slavery. That is some awful shit right there. – Llpoh
1. Sub-Saharan blacks sold their own people into slavery. We didn’t go running through the jungles with big butterfly nets chasing them.
2. American Indians also pressed their fellow indians into slavery. Usually the ones captured after warring with another tribe. Also whites they captured. Especially females.
So, it’s not just “Americans” doing that shit… it was you guys too. So, it’s not like your shit don’t stink, either…
Just sayin’…
Stephanie Shepard
Author
February 24, 2015 4:33 pm
Billy- The over supply of cotton and the blockage both contributed to the south having problems raising war funds. At the beginning of the war there was an over supply off cotton and they couldn’t sell it quickly enough to England. Then the blockage weakened trade for the south.
Stephanie Shepard
Author
February 24, 2015 4:37 pm
Flash- There is no information I have ever been able to find on the North having more gold. Instead the North issued multiple fiat currency experiments to pay for the war. Most of them did not last long. Congress even passed law to remove the gold being tied to fiat and had to repeal it less than a month later.
Stephanie Shepard
Author
February 24, 2015 4:49 pm
““Those figures [$30 trillion] are based on today’s dollar.” ——— Clammy
Nice try. Still not even close. You’re off by a factor of about 400.
— $1 worth of 1865 dollars is now worth $14.49
— $30,000,000,000,000 of 2014 dollars would be worth $2,070,000,000,000 in 1865.”
Stucky, I did say an economy worth 30 trillion is today’s money. I never said their money supply was worth 30 trillion, but the entirety of the southern economy. You just have an ax to grind. Do me a favor- please go back to arguing with liberals in vague debates about social injustice.
Desertrat
February 24, 2015 5:31 pm
In the very late 1930s, there were a few surviving Confederates in the Confederate Soldiers’ Home on West Sixth Street in Austin, Texas. At age five, I would wait with my grandfather on a walk by there while he spoke with one or two…
I’ve never learned how many, but a distant relative who died in the late 1840s near Gonzales, Texas, had an estate which included “…slaves to the value of $20,000.”
The Rev. John Witherspoon, an umpteenth grandfather of mine, was head of the College of New Jersey (later, Princeton). Signed the Declaration of Independence. Probably anti-slavery, but around 1853 a son or grandson sold a “young negro female” to his brother, before leaving Missouri for Texas.
My great-granpaw Witherspoon was an early settler in the Texas Panhandle, after travelling three months by wagon train with the wife and ten kids, from Waxahachie. Died from a horse falling on him. He was a Civil War vet, serving with Hood’s Brigade.
Ya never know. 🙂 But, near as I can tell, no horse thieves.
FWIW, Egyptian cotton is highly desirable. “Long staple”. More valuable than the common short-staple cotton of south Georgia or the Texas Panhandle. Nowadays grown in small quantity between Pecos and Fort Stockton, Texas.
flash
February 24, 2015 5:39 pm
Union And Confederate Economies
two refs here SS..
www2.nwhite.k12.in.us/…/Union%20And%20Confederate%20Economies.ppt
Without gold and without banks, the Confederacy did the only thing it could: it printed money. … Shortages of supplies forced the inflation rate even higher.
Civil War Money Facts – Visit Gettysburg http://www.visit-gettysburg.com/civil-war-money.html
The Civil War created a coinage shortage, so the first official paper currency of the … The Southern government thought that cotton would equal gold since they …
Stucky
February 24, 2015 6:59 pm
“I never said their money supply was worth 30 trillion, but the entirety of the southern economy.”
—– Clamshit
What the fuck are you talking about?? Lying sack of whale shit. YOU SAID — “The Civil War collapsed a nearly 30 Trillion dollar economy.”
Did I talk about money supply??? No!!! (Do you even know what money supply is … without googling it?)
You know what make you ignorant as DOG SHIT?? Your total inability to LEARN, your total inability to admit you made a MISTAKE … traits you have shown her abundantly in the past.
$30 TRILLION dollar economy during the Civil War … even in today’s dollars. BWAHAHAHAHA. You ignorant cunt.
Stick to your waitress job. Seriously, you have no other skills … NOT EVEN BASIC RESEARCH. And, you … shit for brains nitwit, especially regarding finance …. are going to write books about the economy?? What a fucking joke. But, hey, you suckered Admin into donating a C-note. Found any other suckers? Hey, here’s an idea; I’ll give you $100 if you just fuck off and leave.
And to think I’ve defended you, told people to give you a break, paid you some compliments. Goddamn, you suckered me as well. fuckmedead Never again.
$30 TRILLION DOLLAR ECONOMY in 1860 …. JUST IN THE SOUTH!!! bwaahahaha Stupid fucking cunt. The better part of you ran down your father’s leg.
Fuck you and your sycophants. Like I said a few weeks ago, this place just isn’t that much fun anymore … not with fukwits like you polluting this joint.
Stephanie Shepard
Author
February 24, 2015 7:03 pm
Stucky- Stop being a cry baby and put on your big girl panties.
bb
February 24, 2015 7:11 pm
Billy , I didn’t history was unimportant but you can’t change it so why get so upset about history. Slavery was big business and every nationality on this planet has been involved in the slave trade.Much like the drug business. Every group on this is involved in the drug trade. We are all guilty. Both legal and illegal drugs are multiple billion dollar enterprises.
@ flash,
Well, both those posts you put up seem to support my position – that the blockade forced England to source cotton from elsewhere and caused the cotton in the South to pile up in warehouses…
A year into the war, India is supplying England with 90% of their cotton, up from 31% before the war.
After the war – once the blockade is lifted and Southern cotton is again available – India loses the English cotton market.
Damn! I wanted to write about my heroic Confederate ancestor , but I found out he was a private with a misery in his bowels who never even saw a Yankee and spent three years of the war hiding in a corn crib!
I am an American by birth and a Southerner by the grace of God. But, why do we keep fighting the ‘War of Northern Aggression, The War Between the States, the Civil War, The War Between the North and South, or Lincoln’s War’? Some of my best friends keep re-fighting the battles won or lost. ???
The one thing I found interesting in the post was the Rebel Yell. A few years ago I had read that no one knew what the Rebel Yell sounded like. Now I know…sort of.
Hagar , But, why do we keep fighting the ‘War of Northern Aggression,
No blood has be let, so why do you give a fat ratz azz, unless you just want to squeak your own mouse? History and what we can learn from the past matters , that’s why the fuck .
The last Confederate General Officer to surrender was Brig. General Stand Watie on 23 Jun 1865.
General Watie was also Chief of the Cherokee Nation. The Battalion consisted of Creeks, Osage and Seminole, These brave Indians were Confederates and did not like the invasion of Union troops also.
Billy I’m sure the blockades played a part , but FWIW much of Southern cotton was smuggled North to be shipped to Europe via Northeastern ports., but either way, cotton diplomacy failed and the North had more gold, and as the golden rule goes…
Billy, more support for your argument …http://www.usmilitary.com/3359/civil-war-union-blockade/
Even with the valiant effort of the Union Navy, generally the blockade was a mixed bag, with nearly 80 percent of the attempts to run the blockade successful. But because it was forced to have small ships carrying small amounts of goods, the Confederacy slowly ground to a halt, cotton exports were reduced over 95 percent. No nation can stand against itself, and eventually the Civil War, in all of its bloody battle action drew to a close. While successful in scope, the actions of the U.S. Navy and Union Naval forces during the Civil War were very rough on the nation as a whole, and it was several decades until the U.S. Navy successfully healed from having its forces divided in such a manner.
“But, why do we keep fighting the ‘War of Northern Aggression…?” – Hagar
Because, my fellow Southron, that particular event set the tone for North/South relations that endure to this day.
Damnyankees have always looked down upon Southerners, even going back to Colonial times. The South was demonized during Mr. Lincoln’s War (even though the whole South saw what kind of heinous, barbaric assholes the Yankees were when Sherman and his swarm burned their way through the South).
This stereotype was reinforced post-war when the Hatfield/McCoy feud was sensationalized in every paper in Yankeeland.
It was again reinforced with the advent of “moving pictures”, with Southerners – especially those in the Appalachian mountains – being portrayed as amoral, toothless, backwards, violent drunkards skunked on their own likker.
It was again reinforced post-WWII by Damnyankee newspapers and “journalists” during the Snivel Rights Movement, portraying Southerners as mouthbreathing, crude, evil “RAAAYCISSTS!”…
The history of These United States – east of the Mississippi – could just be considered the “my shit don’t stink” fucking Yankees fucking with the Southerners unprovoked, all the while making bucks off of exploiting our people and resouces…
I mean, lookit this shit! I type in “fucking yankees” in the search engine, and I end up with pages and pages of assholes bagging on Southerners… in fact, that shit even happens here on TBP… not saying I can’t take it, just saying it happens…
https(colon)//www.google(dot)com/search?tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CTK4T6XUBTUlIjjiIHlXJzhTXvCVb9OyDW17_12di02g9BZWMiWJYCTxh_1GLCNjRZBWoRCj1XU2yNOEZsSitz9zO9bioSCeIgeVcnOFNeEf9IZo907IReKhIJ8JVv07INbXsRMmKx6iQFHlIqEgn_1Z2LTaD0FlRGO5TNahey8-SoSCYyJYlgJPGH8Ee93JxhCXuFiKhIJYsI2NFkFahERW7MIEdeY6-wqEgkKPVdTbI04RhGmO-DF3MFPDSoSCWxKK3P3M71uEc5Ti3BQusvH&ei=2eXsVIb6Lfi1sQSL4YKoBA&ved=0CAkQ9C8wAA&q=fucking+yankees#imgdii=_
So, here’s a big FUCK YOU! to the fucking Yankees in general… some of y’all are okay, but the rest can go eat all the dicks in that bag…
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My first point was that American involvement in the slave trade was an abomination – stand alone, all by itself, it was an abomination. 12 million humans yanked out of their homeland, and sent into slavery. That is some awful shit right there. – Llpoh
1. Sub-Saharan blacks sold their own people into slavery. We didn’t go running through the jungles with big butterfly nets chasing them.
2. American Indians also pressed their fellow indians into slavery. Usually the ones captured after warring with another tribe. Also whites they captured. Especially females.
So, it’s not just “Americans” doing that shit… it was you guys too. So, it’s not like your shit don’t stink, either…
Just sayin’…
Billy- The over supply of cotton and the blockage both contributed to the south having problems raising war funds. At the beginning of the war there was an over supply off cotton and they couldn’t sell it quickly enough to England. Then the blockage weakened trade for the south.
Flash- There is no information I have ever been able to find on the North having more gold. Instead the North issued multiple fiat currency experiments to pay for the war. Most of them did not last long. Congress even passed law to remove the gold being tied to fiat and had to repeal it less than a month later.
““Those figures [$30 trillion] are based on today’s dollar.” ——— Clammy
Nice try. Still not even close. You’re off by a factor of about 400.
— $1 worth of 1865 dollars is now worth $14.49
— $30,000,000,000,000 of 2014 dollars would be worth $2,070,000,000,000 in 1865.”
Stucky, I did say an economy worth 30 trillion is today’s money. I never said their money supply was worth 30 trillion, but the entirety of the southern economy. You just have an ax to grind. Do me a favor- please go back to arguing with liberals in vague debates about social injustice.
In the very late 1930s, there were a few surviving Confederates in the Confederate Soldiers’ Home on West Sixth Street in Austin, Texas. At age five, I would wait with my grandfather on a walk by there while he spoke with one or two…
I’ve never learned how many, but a distant relative who died in the late 1840s near Gonzales, Texas, had an estate which included “…slaves to the value of $20,000.”
The Rev. John Witherspoon, an umpteenth grandfather of mine, was head of the College of New Jersey (later, Princeton). Signed the Declaration of Independence. Probably anti-slavery, but around 1853 a son or grandson sold a “young negro female” to his brother, before leaving Missouri for Texas.
My great-granpaw Witherspoon was an early settler in the Texas Panhandle, after travelling three months by wagon train with the wife and ten kids, from Waxahachie. Died from a horse falling on him. He was a Civil War vet, serving with Hood’s Brigade.
Ya never know. 🙂 But, near as I can tell, no horse thieves.
FWIW, Egyptian cotton is highly desirable. “Long staple”. More valuable than the common short-staple cotton of south Georgia or the Texas Panhandle. Nowadays grown in small quantity between Pecos and Fort Stockton, Texas.
Union And Confederate Economies
two refs here SS..
www2.nwhite.k12.in.us/…/Union%20And%20Confederate%20Economies.ppt
Without gold and without banks, the Confederacy did the only thing it could: it printed money. … Shortages of supplies forced the inflation rate even higher.
Civil War Money Facts – Visit Gettysburg
http://www.visit-gettysburg.com/civil-war-money.html
The Civil War created a coinage shortage, so the first official paper currency of the … The Southern government thought that cotton would equal gold since they …
“I never said their money supply was worth 30 trillion, but the entirety of the southern economy.”
—– Clamshit
What the fuck are you talking about?? Lying sack of whale shit. YOU SAID — “The Civil War collapsed a nearly 30 Trillion dollar economy.”
Did I talk about money supply??? No!!! (Do you even know what money supply is … without googling it?)
You know what make you ignorant as DOG SHIT?? Your total inability to LEARN, your total inability to admit you made a MISTAKE … traits you have shown her abundantly in the past.
$30 TRILLION dollar economy during the Civil War … even in today’s dollars. BWAHAHAHAHA. You ignorant cunt.
Stick to your waitress job. Seriously, you have no other skills … NOT EVEN BASIC RESEARCH. And, you … shit for brains nitwit, especially regarding finance …. are going to write books about the economy?? What a fucking joke. But, hey, you suckered Admin into donating a C-note. Found any other suckers? Hey, here’s an idea; I’ll give you $100 if you just fuck off and leave.
And to think I’ve defended you, told people to give you a break, paid you some compliments. Goddamn, you suckered me as well. fuckmedead Never again.
$30 TRILLION DOLLAR ECONOMY in 1860 …. JUST IN THE SOUTH!!! bwaahahaha Stupid fucking cunt. The better part of you ran down your father’s leg.
Fuck you and your sycophants. Like I said a few weeks ago, this place just isn’t that much fun anymore … not with fukwits like you polluting this joint.
Stucky- Stop being a cry baby and put on your big girl panties.
Billy , I didn’t history was unimportant but you can’t change it so why get so upset about history. Slavery was big business and every nationality on this planet has been involved in the slave trade.Much like the drug business. Every group on this is involved in the drug trade. We are all guilty. Both legal and illegal drugs are multiple billion dollar enterprises.