Why Are So Many People Freaking Out About A Stock Market Crash In The Fall Of 2015?

Submitted by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,

Is the stock market going to crash by the end of 2015?  Of course stock market crashes are already happening in 23 different nations around the planet, but most Americans don’t really care about those markets.  The truth is that what matters to people in this country is the health of their own stock portfolios and retirement accounts.  There are a lot of people out there that are very afraid of what could happen if the money that they have worked so hard to save gets wiped out in a sudden financial collapse.  And right now there is an unprecedented amount of buzz about the potential for a giant stock market crash by the end of this calendar year.  In fact, I don’t think that I have ever seen more experts come out with bold predictions that a stock market crash will happen within a very specific period of time.

The following is a sampling of some of the experts that have made very bold proclamations about the rest of this year over the past few weeks.  Many of these individuals are putting their credibility on the line by proclaiming that a stock market crash is just around the corner…

-Tom McClellan says that we are heading for an “ugly decline” and that there will be “nothing good for bulls for the rest of the year”

Tom McClellan loves doing what financial advisers tell you not to do. He tries to time the financial markets — to the exact day, if his charts align just right.

 

At the moment, they are telling him to be bullish on the stock market for all of his trading time frames, including those that trade every few days, weeks and months. But bulls should be ready to flee, as soon as this week.

 

That’s because McClellan said his timing models suggest “THE” top in stocks will be hit some time between Aug. 20 and Aug. 26. He expects “nothing good for the bulls for the rest of the year,” he said in a phone interview with MarketWatch.

 

McClellan doesn’t have a strong view on how far stocks could fall, just that it will probably be an “ugly decline” lasting into early 2016.

-Harry Dent recently stated that we are just “weeks away” from a “global financial collapse“.

-Gerald Celente says that “the global economy has collapsed” and he is “predicting that we are going to see a global stock market crash before the end of the year“.

-Larry Edelson insists that he is “100% confident” that a global financial crisis will be triggered “within the next few months”…

On October 7, 2015, the first economic supercycle since 1929 will trigger a global financial crisis of epic proportions. It will bring Europe, Japan and the United States to their knees, sending nearly one billion human beings on a roller-coaster ride through hell for the next five years. A ride like no generation has ever seen. I am 100% confident it will hit within the next few months.”

-Jeff Berwick, the editor of the Dollar Vigilante, says that there is “enough going on in September to have me incredibly curious and concerned about what’s going to happen“.

-Egon von Greyerz recently explained that he fears “that this coming September – October all hell will break loose in the world economy and markets“.

-Even the mainstream media is issuing ominous warnings now.  Just a few days ago, one of the most important newspapers in the entire world published a major story about the coming crisis under this headline: “Doomsday clock for global market crash strikes one minute to midnight as central banks lose control“.

-The Bank for International Settlements and the IMF have jumped on the prediction bandwagon as well.  The following comes from a recent piece by Brandon Smith

The BIS warns that the world is currently defenseless against the next market crisis. I would point out that the BIS has a record of predicting economic crashes, including back in 2007 just before the derivatives and credit crisis began. This ability to foresee fiscal disasters is far more likely due to the fact that the BIS is the dominant force in global central banking and is the cause of crisis, rather than merely a predictor of crisis. That is to say, it is easy to predict disasters you yourself are about to initiate.

 

It is no mistake that the warnings from the BIS and the IMF tend to come too little too late, or that they are beginning to compose cautionary press releases today that sound much like what alternative analysts were saying a few years ago. The goal of these globalist organizations is not to help people prepare, only to set themselves up as Johnny-come-lately prognosticators so that after a collapse they can claim they warned us all, which can then be used as a rationalization for why they are the best people to administrate the economies of the planet as a whole.

So why are so many prominent voices now warning that a global financial crisis is imminent?

The answer is actually very simple.

A global financial crisis is imminent.

Back on June 25th, I issued a red alert for the last six months of 2015 before any of these other guys issued their warnings.

When I first issued my alert, things were still seemingly very calm in the financial world, and a lot of people out there thought that I was nuts.

Well, here we are just a couple of months later and all hell is breaking loose.  23 global stock markets are crashing, the price of oil has been imploding, a new currency war has erupted, industrial commodities are plunging just like they did prior to the market crash of 2008, a full-blown financial crisis has gripped South America with fear, and junk bonds are sending some very ominous signals.

In the U.S., things are beginning to slowly unravel.  The Dow is now down over 1200 points from the peak of the market.  At this point, it isn’t going to take much to push us into a bear market.

So enjoy what is left of August.

September is right around the corner, and if the experts that I mentioned above are correct, then it is likely to be one wild month.

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BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER
August 20, 2015 5:34 pm

Make it so number one, I gots no dog in that hunt. So tired of hearing about the impending doom since forever it seems. Admin told me this could not go on another second, day, week, month, year. and that was three and a half months ago……………..still waiting. The stage is set for the final act, so bring down the curtain already!

Bullock
Bullock
August 20, 2015 6:48 pm

Bought more silver yesterday and I will be picking up a little more very soon. Been warning a few people that I actually like for years but not sure if any are listening, I really doubt it, only one person has asked me where I buy precious metals. Most just give me a strange look, I can tell they sense things are not right. My best advice to all of them is turn the TV off and seek the truth, it’s out there if you put a little effort into it.

When this Titanic finally sinks it’s going to be really hard for me to keep that shit eating grin off my face, but I will do my best.

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo
August 20, 2015 8:00 pm

Hey Admin!

Seems a couple of years back, you were talking about a purchase you made that shorted China. I can’t remember the call letters. How has that turned out?

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
August 20, 2015 9:18 pm

We have been pouring gasoline on the tinder for a long time. When it sparks off, it is going to be hell to pay. What is DC Sunsets saying about the technical condition of the market?

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 20, 2015 10:08 pm

I was at the grocery store Wednesday when the Fed meeting minutes were released. The SPX had gapped down hard at the open, and in the minutes after the minutes (grin) it rallied ALL THE WAY back to close the gap, then failed.

That was a great shorting opportunity I missed. I have a modest position in SDS (the 2x inverse ETF for the SPX) and I would have added to it had I not been asleep at the switch. My big trading error was that 2 weeks ago I bought 100 sh of GLD at $105.11, watched it waffle around between $104 and 105 and decided it looked vulnerable to a drop to the low of 103.something so I stopped out at $104.70 for about a $50 loss. Today it traded to $110.61 (it was $107 two days ago) so I’m smarting from that. DOH! My SDS is doing okay, but the GLD was a much larger play.

I subscribe to Prechter’s work, and by his view (which is as fallible as everyone else’s) the DJIA topped last May, and the last indices to top were the SPX and NASDAQ COMP which topped a month ago. He avers that yes, stocks can make new highs but that most of the sub-indices have already entered bear trends. The Dow transports topped LAST NOV, for heaven’s sake.

The DJIA is now, by my view, unequivocally in a weekly downtrend. The SPX and Nasdaq have yet to confirm that, but perhaps they will do so soon.
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I am only trading with “play money.” After years of getting my a$$ handed to me I concluded that at least in my experience, making money in speculation against the markets, anticipating a decline is much more difficult than going long the market when you expect a rally. If you look at it rationally, the market can only go down 100% (and it won’t do that) but a rally can take a stock or a market up hundreds of percents (the NASDAQ 100 is up 400% since March of 2009.) In other words, bears have a hard time making real money compared to the bulls. My main goal in the expected bear market is to simply keep what I have now. In the early stages this may be simple, but if the credit bubble deflates, the banking system will eventually freeze up. Figuring out what to do about that is a question I do not yet have an answer to.

Rainstorm
Rainstorm
August 20, 2015 11:11 pm

There is a reason 90% of traders either loss money or underperform the markets. They follow scenarios and not the market.

By the way, did you notice that the author stated that he called the top of the stock market. Let’s see the author’s full record of their calls over the past 10 years.

Many of the authors we read on the internet are redundant, stealing what others have researched or written.

the tumbleweed
the tumbleweed
August 21, 2015 12:58 am

Nothing going to happen. This is a meme created by Snyder and a few other doomers to prop up their sagging sites that have been crying wolf for the past 5 years. Just like 2012, the blood moons, the pending mass arrests, ebola, all of it was bunk. Snyder’s own site has gone from saying the dollar will collapse to saying CERN is about to open a portal to another dimension. My predictions for September: the leaves will turn colours, apple cider will appear on the store shelves, an NFL player will do something stupid. Same as every year.

gm
gm
August 21, 2015 3:43 am

every nation with a privately owned central bank is in cahoots and will stop at nothing to get the world under their complete control ! everything else seems to be just theater to indoctrinate, control , and enslave the masses . I also do not think there is anything that can be done about it, absent a mass awakening of the worlds population. And they wont let that shit happen ,they will shut it down if there is any serious resistance to their agenda . Its extremely hard to break the programming and indoctrination that is given to everyone ,and I think only extreme duress would make people even begin to question the reality that is created by those at the top of the shitpile.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 8:19 am

I concur with the skeptics, and as I noted before, trying to “short” the market mathematically is less promising than being long the market (assuming Mr. Market even goes along with your expectations.)

That said, anyone who thinks that stocks can go up like a metronome (look at the DJIA above!) for long periods of time is (repeat after me) too stupid for proper description.

Yes, it can do things none of us foresee. I sure as HELL didn’t see a 400% rise in the NDX when my charts screamed “BOTTOM” in 2009. I expected just a solid bounce, followed by a renewed–crushing–decline. Yes, I can admit it. I make mistakes. Happy?

Had I followed my charts then, I’d have plowed some $$ long QLD in March 2009. Then a little more every time short-term STO got oversold and price went back up above the EMA’s I follow. I’d have made more than enough to retire *very* comfortably. Would a’ could a’ should a’.

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Today is the reverse of that. Look at the chart above as a proxy for the Nasdaq. MACD has been screaming that it’s searching for a top for a year. It hasn’t happened yet, and perhaps this time will be the same….or this time may be different.

What I know beyond doubt is that bottoms of significance are formed by capitulation. WHEN (not if, WHEN) this market does experience a major decline, it will not stop until everyone who can capitulate HAS capitulated. It was quite easy to see this occur in March 2009. The number of non-confirmations on technical levels was huge.

My point is that the smart money makes money in uptrends (I still hope to catch part of the *presumed* bear market rally in gold) and perhaps the smarter-than-me money makes bank in all markets=—but I can’t. This means that people who are “my level of smarts” and below should largely step aside and keep what they have, with an eye to finding a better time to speculate *LONG* in stocks…buying when everyone else is selling in capitulation.

The sum I have at brokerages is a tiny fraction of my life’s savings. I lost six figures believing I was smart enough to beat everyone else, in part because I was desperate: I thought an economic cataclysm was imminent and I didn’t have anywhere near the money to tide my family through it comfortably. That was 20 years ago.

No one knows the future. On the other hand, while the improbable can and often does seem to happen, some things are impossible. Those who believe the Fed can engineer a permanently rising stock market should simply look at China to see who wrong this viewpoint is.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 8:54 am

I also point out that stocks are currently pretty oversold, a condition out of which a rally can occur at any moment, which is why after decades of painful lessons I do not chase markets. This is not a low-risk time to try speculating against Mr. Market.

This time will be an interesting experiment for me. Fifteen years ago (early 2000) I was using an inverse index leveraged mutual fund to bet against the NASDAQ. It was clearly in an exponential blow off move and every time it signaled that the top might have occurred I plowed in, only to have the moon-shot resume and run me over like a locomotive.

By early March 2000 I gave up, losing a very noticeable amount of money and simply capitulating. The Nasdaq topped two weeks later and subsequently fell 80% (that’s EIGHT ZERO, for those who think the worst that can happen now is that stocks just fall back 50% like in 2007-9 and then go up 400% afterward.)

Because I capitulated in total exhaustion, and lacked some of the tools I now use, I never found a “safe” entry on the short side during that entire 80% collapse.

This time, to the tiny extent that I’m willing to play, I intend to see if my “new” tools (they’re just tried and true, old-school technical signals like slow stochastics, MACD and Exponential Moving Averages (EMA’s)) help me find a larger entry.

Right now I am riding the downtrend with what I started with. I’m doing so without a net (no stops) which is risky—Mr. Market could absolutely put on a massive rally to crush the bears here—but as long as the weekly EMA’s don’t turn back up I’m looking for more shorter-term signals of “high” when a rally finally materializes (today, Monday, who knows?)

The trend really is your friend. EMA’s reveal the trend. With the DJIA and a host of other indices in weekly downtrends, I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt to “the top is in.”

The problem is that I absolutely expect “the” decline (whether this is it or not) to be 1) as one-directional as was the preceding rally, and 2) declines are MUCH steeper than the rallies that preceded them. It would not surprise me to discover that even with “better tools,” I cannot find a safe place to increase my bet on the downside.

No one knows the future. Do not be surprised, however, that the stopped clock bears who have called “the” top fifteen times these past 6 years are finally right this time, and that a year from now things look a lot more chaotic than in Spring of 2009. Sooner or later they’ll be right. Trading solely on their ability to confirm your biases is, however, a guaranteed way to lose money.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 9:03 am

For those expecting a crash, if one is to occur it (obviously) can be set up either:
1. The usual way, which is we drop a bit more, have a rip-roaring rally and that rally fails by the 2nd week of September without the SPX or NASDAQ making a new high.
2. The unusual way, where markets stair-step down in a sedate, even leisurely fashion amidst mainstream news complacency, and suddenly begin to plunge in larger waterfalls.

Even when Mr. Market serves up what you expect, he often does so in a way you didn’t expect.

If scenario #1 occurs, if the rally fails I strongly suspect that everyone will try to hit the exits all at once. There are an awful lot of highly leveraged bets out there.

Oh, and crashes occur despite deeply oversold conditions. Prices drop like the Energizer Bunny, so once you see that in play, even putting in protective stops to insure you avoid getting screwed by a V-shaped rally becomes exceedingly difficult.

I doubled my capital-at-risk in 2008, and got the heck out of it in early December. A work colleague learned of what I was doing and tried to emulate me, but when I closed my position he was certain that the markets had much farther to fall.

He lost all of his paper profits and then some. He also subsequently went long silver when it was above $40.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 9:10 am

Whew!

I was afraid “too much bearishness” was showing up.

Jeff Reeve’s column copied above is such a relief. An absolutely certain backdrop for any major decline is for articles to show up saying, “Yes, a decline is baked in, but no worries, don’t capitulate, it won’t be that big and afterward stocks will not only recover but zoom to new highs.”

Frankly, I could have written this guys column three years ago.

I have stated FOR THE RECORD a dozen times that in order to have a 95-98% catastrophe in any investment market, investors have to be taught by recent experience to NOT CAPITULATE.

2000-2003.
2007-2009.
Followed by a one-way moon shot higher 2009-now.

Anyone care to suggest that Mr. Market could have set up people for an aforementioned cataclysm any better?

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 9:26 am

BTW, Reeves is wrong.

The markets are not responding to a decrease in liquidity.
The liquidity decrease is a symptom, not a cause.

The cause is that there is NO SOLVENCY left.

When people (decision-makers) have to borrow in order to buy, because all their capital is already committed to backing prior debts they acquired, there is no solvency.

The rout in China is being driven by what amounts to the largest margin call in history. China, however extreme, is hardly alone in this. Central bank credit creation, the largest in recorded history, simply powered markets higher on leverage alone (AKA “margin.”)

The US markets are just as vulnerable to a margin call, perhaps every bit as much because of the arrogance and complacency people have for “Bastion America” where resides the “best-of-the-best-of-the-best-of-the-best.” SIR!

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 9:45 am

As of today’s (so far) low, the SPX is down 5.5% in the last MONTH!

For the Nasdaq 100 the decline is 7.1% IN.ONE.MONTH.

The Dow Jones 30 Industrial Average (DJIA) is down 8.4% since its May top (so far.)

The Dow Transports’ low today (not the lowest they’ve been recently) is down 13.9% from its high LAST NOVEMBER.

1. This isn’t a bear market (yet.)
2. Anyone who claims that there is nothing to see about this is either stupid or lying.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 9:46 am

This looks like what Elliott Wave adherents call a “3rd wave” decline. I believe it will go significantly lower before a material bounce.

What I believe, however, is meaningless. Que sera, sera.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 10:35 am

The chart below doesn’t update weekly information intra-day, but zooming in and adding a little guesswork suggests that unless the Bulls grab the tape and muscle today’s decline into at least a draw (if not a small rally), the S&P500 (SPX) will be established in a weekly downtrend at the end of today.

It’s a long time until 3PM central, and just because Mr. Market says “downtrend” in one breath doesn’t mean he announces “uptrend, I fooled you!” in the next, but as long as the SPX stays below about 2080 (about where I figure the 13 week and 26 week EMAs are about to cross) the intermediate trend (one indicating the direction for the next half a year or more) is flashing “down.”
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On a weekly basis this market isn’t even oversold, and the weekly MACD suggests a whole lot more downside potential. The other side of the coin is that the Williams %R is at an oversold extreme.

If this was like reading a map, everyone would be so rich we’d need space travel to find all the beachfront mansions to satisfy the demand.

I also think that Mr. Market could rationalize floating higher on the “Power of the Omnipotent Fed” narrative until one day everyone realized that the Fed was out of ammo.

The Fed is Out.Of.Ammo. What are they going to do to muscle the tape? Inform everyone that they are going to ease by not tightening? That would be good for, what? A ten minute rally?

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 10:47 am

My current “system” of trading uses Heiken Ashi charting (a nice way to visualize price movement) and a level I don’t trade (weekly) is screaming sell.

The DJIA has been telling this story for almost an entire month.

I don’t know what will happen, but it wouldn’t shock me at all if the DJIA drops another 1000 points in a fairly short time before it rallies with much conviction. That’s only about half again the decline from May to today, and would put the DJIA near the spike low of Oct 15, 2014.

How cool would it be if the Dow dropped to that in the next week or two, then rallied straight up (just like it did a year ago) only to see the rally stall and fail after 1000 points (about where we are now), right about Sept. 14th?

Boom is spelled with capital B. In this case, I use the term in its “onomatopoeia” meaning.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 10:58 am

@Admin,
The decline in 2008 was centered during the last two weeks of Sept and first week of Oct, as I recall. Everyone (bears and bulls alike) kept expecting a V-shaped rally to emerge at any time.

The Fed was FURIOUSLY “easing” throughout that period with ZERO effect.

It was a thing to behold.

Without looking at the charts, from memory I recall that stocks stopped declining one day, Nov was a little up, Dec was flat, and (I think) tech stocks bottomed in Jan about the same level as they hit in Oct but the blue chips worked a little lower into March. The fact that the nasdaq didn’t also do this was one of many indicators that the larger downtrend had run its course and capitulation was in place.

EVERYONE expected the decline to continue. Prechter did not, and my work independently confirmed this. Sadly, my ZA bias prevented me from acting on the evidence of my own analysis. I sat out the entire past 6 year rally, because in 2010, 2011 and 2012 there was ample reason to think stocks would roll over, and when they didn’t, the rally went bat-shit-crazy, becoming overbought and staying overbought to levels I’ve never seen (even in examining ancient history) so there were no safe entries on the long side. I was also too busy to day-trade, not that day-trading has ever worked all that well for me.

Cliff’s Notes: Octobers are not usually all bad. Lots of hard declines finish in Octobers, but are often followed by V-shaped rallies so by the end of October things don’t look so bad.

Oh, and if someone is crazy enough to trade leveraged instruments (like the one I’m trying to us, like an idiot) and is not already HIGHLY experienced, all the money is made in the “3rd wave.” Leveraged instruments (inverse ETF’s and Put Options) do not make new highs in bear markets in the final leg down to capitulation. (This is another way to tell you’re in a 5th and final leg down.)

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 11:07 am

Whew. Short term charts keep suggesting “a rally is imminent” but when price gets to the 5-minute EMA’s it just keeps going and going and going.

It IS Friday, so don’t be too shocked if, literally at 2:45 PM Central Time, Janet the Fed Charwoman (intentional spelling) issues a press release stating “something” intended to goose markets higher.

This happened in 1998 and trapped a bunch of people I knew of who were short S&P500 futures in horrible losses, some of whom probably lost homes and businesses to the margin calls. It was NAKED market manipulation. Lesson: Never be highly leveraged when there’s any real chance that the market has reached an inflection point.

Of course, that was when Mr. Market already wanted to rally. I don’t think Mr. Market is ready to rally yet, I think he’s diabolically engaged in the second part of his demonic plan, where the first part was to get vast numbers of people to think they were rich and getting richer by owning stock mutual funds. The second half is to pull the rug out from under them while pushing them into an open elevator shaft.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 11:56 am

1. Stock buybacks coincide with tops, so I think that’s no longer relevant.
2. SPX just printed below 2000. “Oh NO, Mr. Bill!”

3. Oh do I wish I’d have loaded up a bit more on SDS when it was $20.30-$20.50.

(headslap)

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 11:57 am

Your point on the margin debt is absolutely spot-on.

There have to be a whole lot of people with sweat-soaked armpits now.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 12:55 pm

BTW, while no one knows for sure what’s coming, one thing is clear:

Declines, even sharp ones like this, that begin from a point where people are extremely optimistic and complacent usually do not turn out to be small events that are quickly reverse and forgotten.

During the past year or two many measures of market sentiment have hit rare extremes of complacency while (per Jim Q.’s observation) borrowing to play speculator simultaneously hit rare extremes.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 1:01 pm

Beating my dead horse here:

Another thing: What is the “investment asset” subject to the largest synthetic short position in human history?

Background: When someone is “short” a stock (example: IBM) they borrow the shares and sell them, banking the money. The MUST replace the shares of stock back to the owner from whom they borrowed them, so in order to complete the transaction they MUST purchase them back (unless the firm goes out of business and the stock is cancelled.)

Answer: The US Dollar.

Estimates of US Dollar denominated debt vary from $59 trillion to $1.25 quadrillion, and every bit of that is “borrowed dollars,” borrowed FROM SOMEONE (the owner of the debt security or IOU.) Debtors MUST obtain those dollars they are obligated to return, and for 30 years the normal way was to simply roll over the debt and BORROW MORE.

This is the largest synthetic short position on anything, anywhere, EVER.

You might imagine that a “bank bail-in” is simply a margin call on the bank’s lending, led by the bank’s creditors who have better standing than the bank depositors.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 1:06 pm

I plan to sit on my SDS here (trading in and out has been the bane of my existence) but this chart suggests that the decline might be searching for a temporary low (at least.)

This is a probabilistic statement. There’s (total guess) 60% chance of a rally soon, leaving 10% chance of sideways and 30% the waterfall continues. I would NEVER consider opening or adding to a short position in light of the current technical condition. Better to not make money than to lose money.
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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
August 21, 2015 1:28 pm

Cue the fat finger.

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo
August 21, 2015 2:54 pm

Admin,

FXP, that was it! Looks like you sold at the right time. It has gone up recently, but it would have gone nowhere if you’d held it all that time.

DRUD
DRUD
August 21, 2015 3:05 pm

DC says:

“Estimates of US Dollar denominated debt vary from $59 trillion to $1.25 quadrillion, and every bit of that is “borrowed dollars,” borrowed FROM SOMEONE (the owner of the debt security or IOU.) Debtors MUST obtain those dollars they are obligated to return, and for 30 years the normal way was to simply roll over the debt and BORROW MORE.

This is the largest synthetic short position on anything, anywhere, EVER.”

So, how does that play out? What precedents are there are smaller scales?

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 3:39 pm

Smaller scale is simply a stock short.

The closest we ever saw to this (an anthill vs. Mt Everest) was the credit bulge in the 1920’s.

It led to
– 90% fall in stocks, and (don’t believe the indices, because some companies simply disappeared) investors probably didn’t break even (if ever) until the 1960’s (which was a top, too.)

A crushing deflationary depression between 1930-32.

I don’t know how this one will play out. Logic dictates it will be the MOTHER of ALL deflationary crises as people put EVERYTHING up for sale to generate cash, while that very act crushes the price for everything.

As I’ve said before, the goal is to own what everyone else hates, right before they decide they LOVE it. This creates a paradox, because “ownership” of cash means two different things: a bank balance or folding money in your pocket. The former is safe from small time thieves, but vulnerable to big time thieves. The latter is a crime magnet, bulky, an invitation to some creative cop trying a civil asset forfeiture and gets you on all sorts of databases (and gets you convicted of the made-up crime of structuring if you try to avoid getting on those databases.)

There exists today no “vehicle” by which you can safely just “hold cash” in whatever form you choose. All possibilities have their shortcoming. One possible way is to obtain T-bills through a broker and have them rolled over every 13 weeks. The US government will abandon EVERYTHING before it abandons its managers’ ability to borrow-and-spend, so the last domino to fall will be T-bills (if they ever fall….who knows?)

There’s a company called SafeWealth that offers you the option to store US dollar banknote cash in a Swiss depository. It’s attractive until you realize that the minimum is $500,000 and that fees of a couple grand a year are part of it. For someone with a huge net worth and a huge monthly income, and who likes international travel, I guess it would be a great idea. For the rest of us humble folk, we’re still on our own.

I think the US banking system will hang in there for a while, so perhaps this is all Doom Porn. Your mileage may vary.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 3:46 pm

Dow down 2.5%
Nasdaq down 3.5%

It’s a crash. Perhaps a mini-crash. I’m betting it’s the first of several.

It’s amusing to read the comments on Money.cnn.com. The bulls are beyond arrogant. All their comments amount to, “bears are stupid.”

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 3:59 pm

Look at Faceplant (FB), Googl, NFLX, BABA, AMZN, they’re getting KILLED, I mean, taken out behind the barn and shot point-blank.

The margin calls that will be going out must be epic!

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 4:03 pm

Will the Dow (SPX, etc.) all put in major rallies Monday?

Absolutely possible. My daily slow stochastic is now short-term oversold. But if this is something bigger, that same stochastic could be indicating “meltdown dead ahead.”

There’s really no way to know. Pull up a chair, pop some popcorn and watch the spectacle. That’s largely all I’m doing. I put a small bet on the roulette wheel and so far they’ve come back winners. I’m inclined to let the bet ride, knowing it could all just go away with one spin, but this is a pyramiding game of chance and letting the bet ride is sometimes the right thing to do.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 4:27 pm

Months of gains?

The first time (in this 6 year rally) the SPX hit 1971 (today’s close) was the week of JULY 4th, 2014.

The stock blue chips have now gone NOWHERE for nearly 14 months. That’s what I call “distribution.”

I repeat, neither I nor anyone else knows the future. I am inclined to expect, however, that this is part of the largest triple-top in 300 years (there are several other examples of triple tops discussed by Prechter in his firm’s analytical work; I’m parroting him.)

Stucky
Stucky
August 21, 2015 5:43 pm

You’re ALL wrong as to the cause.

Just a few days ago Admin analyzed the truth about the economy, specifically, retail stores.

The dickfuks who work on Wall Street just read the article a couple days ago.

Then ….. KaBoom!!!!

Jeebus Effing whatever …. don’t you people see the connection??

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 5:52 pm

quote:
By Tomi Kilgore

Published: Aug 21, 2015 3:30 p.m. ET

The Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, -2.67% is shedding 449 points in afternoon trade Friday, extending the 358.04-point selloff on Thursday, as investors grappled with concerns over global economic growth. That puts the blue-chip barometer on track to suffer the biggest two-day point drop (807.07 points) since Nov. 19 and Nov. 20 of 2008, in the midst of the financial crisis, when the Dow tumbled 872.46 points in two days. Back then, the Dow rocketed 892.10 points over the next two sessions.
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This Tomi is just FULL of shit, isn’t she.

Here’s the context of the two days in 2008 she mentions:
[img]http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=djia&uf=0&type=2&size=3&sid=1643&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&startdate=3/1/2008&enddate=6/1/2009&rand=1108401326&compidx=aaaaa%3a0&ma=5&maval=13&lf=4&lf2=32&lf3=256&height=820&width=720&mocktick=1[/img]

Notice any important differences from the last two days? Like the fact that the DJIA is still near a crazy high, that it’s been in distribution for year, vs back in 2008 when those two days were near the end of a clearly unconfirmed (by MACD) new low after a series of crushing declines?
[img]http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=djia&uf=0&type=2&size=3&sid=1643&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&startdate=5/1/2014&enddate=8/21/2015&rand=280954013&compidx=aaaaa%3a0&ma=5&maval=13&lf=4&lf2=32&lf3=256&height=820&width=720&mocktick=1[/img]

Mainstream market commentators are truly assholes. Either that or they lack the intelligence to simply visit a FREE website and key in a couple dates.

dc.sunsets
dc.sunsets
August 21, 2015 5:59 pm

and the last two years now:
[img]http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?show=&insttype=Index&symb=djia&x=26&y=14&time=100&startdate=1%2F31%2F2007&enddate=3%2F31%2F2009&freq=2&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&comptemptext=&comp=none&ma=5&maval=13&uf=0&lf=4&lf2=32&lf3=256&type=2&style=320&size=3&timeFrameToggle=false&compareToToggle=false&indicatorsToggle=false&chartStyleToggle=false&state=11[/img]

It is painfully obvious that a two day crushing decline after a very long period of prior declines, in an environment of huge oversold conditions, but with clear evidence of non-confirmations, was a fertile place for a huge ensuing rally.

This is NOT what we have now. For some market “person” to insinuate that it is is grossly misleading.

I may not be the smartest guy in town, nor am I continually “right” on the markets, far from it. But at least I don’t lie outright, or represent my analysis as somehow authoritative.