Question of the Day, Sep 29

Well, it finally happened, we’ve been doing this 3 1/2 months now & I finally missed a day. The Mrs & I were on our first weekend getaway in years. On that note, what do you think about Russia entering the Syrian fray?

Shout out to the New York Times

Russia Surprises U.S. With Accord on Battling ISIS

By MICHAEL R. GORDONSEPT. 27, 2015
UNITEDD NATIONS — For the second time this month, Russia moved to expand its political and military influence in the Syria conflict and left the United States scrambling, this time by reaching an understanding, announced on Sunday, with Iraq, Syria and Iran to share intelligence about the Islamic State.

Like Russia’s earlier move to bolster the government of President Bashar al-Assad by deploying warplanes and tanks to a base near Latakia, Syria, the intelligence-sharing arrangement was sealed without notice to the United States. American officials knew that a group of Russian military officers were in Baghdad, but they were clearly surprised when the Iraqi military’s Joint Operations Command announced the intelligence sharing accord on Sunday.

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia with his foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, on Monday at the United Nations General Assembly in New York before he addressed the chamber.

It was another sign that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was moving ahead with a sharply different tack from that of the Obama administration in battling the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, by assembling a rival coalition that includes Iran and the Syrian government.

The effort, which Mr. Putin is expected to underscore in his speech at the United Nations on Monday, not only puts Moscow in a position to give military support to Mr. Assad, its longtime ally in the Middle East, but could also enable the Kremlin to influence the choice of a successor if Mr. Assad were to eventually leave power.

Russia’s moves are raising difficult questions for the Obama administration, which remains deeply conflicted about American military involvement in the Syria conflict. Ensuring that the Russian military and the United States-led coalition, which is carrying out airstrikes against the Islamic State, “deconflict” and avoid running into each other is only part of the problem: The Obama administration and the Kremlin do not appear to agree even on the main reason for the conflict.

American officials, who have long cast Mr. Assad as the primary source of instability in Syria, assert that the Syrian leader’s brutal crackdown provided an opening for jihadist groups and that the crisis cannot be resolved until a political transition is negotiated that requires him to leave power. But Russian officials see the Syrian government as a bulwark against further gains by groups like Islamic State and Nusra Front and sometimes suggest that the defeat of the Islamic State should come before a negotiated solution for the Syrian conflict.

Even as the United States has banked on a diplomatic strategy of trying to enlist Russia’s cooperation in Syria, the Kremlin has continued to jolt the White House with its unilateral military and political moves.

“This is not yet coordinated,” Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday at the start of a meeting in New York with Sergey V. Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister. “Our presidents will be meeting tomorrow. This is the beginning of a genuine effort to see if there is a way to deconflict, but also to find a way forward that will be effective in keeping a united, secular Syria that can be at peace and stable again without foreign troops present, and that’s our hope.”

Robert S. Ford, the former American ambassador to Syria, said that Russian officials have long said they are not wedded to Mr. Assad but have insisted his government is legitimate and rebuffed efforts to impose a successor.

Adding to the United States’ concern, Russian surveillance drones have conducted about half a dozen reconnaissance missions from a recently bolstered base near Latakia. The drones have flown over Latakia, western Idlib, and western Hama, according to a senior United States official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential intelligence assessments.

American analysts have not detected any Islamic State fighters in those areas, the official said. That raises the prospect that, despite its stated focus of fighting the Islamic State, Russia may take the opportunity to attack Syrian opposition fighters who are focused on battling Mr. Assad’s government and who are also backed by the United States.

Mr. Putin has been dismissive of the Pentagon program to train and equip the moderate Syria opposition — an effort that has yielded only a small handful of fighters. At the same time, new volunteers have been arriving to replenish the ranks of the Islamic State even more quickly than they are killed.

Over four years of war has forced more than four million to flee the country, fueling a migrant crisis in the Middle East and Europe.

Through it all, the United States and some of its allies have focused on expanding an airstrike campaign against ISIS in Syria and Iraq. But the latest Russian moves in Syria have raised important questions about the American relationship with another crucial ally against the Islamic State: Iraq.

With about 3,500 American advisers, trainers and other military personnel in his country, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi of Iraq has cast himself as a vital member of the United States-led coalition to combat the Islamic State.

However, the Shiite-dominated Iraqi government, which has long been anxious that ousting Mr. Assad might strengthen the Islamic State, has also quietly enabled the Russian military buildup in Syria. While Bulgaria closed its airspace to Russian transport planes headed to Syria at the request of the United States, Iraq has allowed the Russian flights in its airspace.

“We did not violate any of our commitments toward the international community,” Ibrahim al-Jafari, Iraq’s foreign minister, said when he was asked about the Russian flights on Friday at the Council on Foreign Relations.

The Iraqi military statement said that Russia, Iran, Syria and Iraq would “participate in collecting information about ISIS terrorism,” an arrangement it said was important because of concerns that thousands of volunteers who have joined the Islamic State have come from Russia.

American officials sought to play down the significance of the agreement but objected to the Syrian government’s participation in the intelligence sharing.

“We do not support the presence of Syrian government officials who are part of a regime that has brutalized its own citizens,” Col. Steven H. Warren, a Baghdad-based spokesman for the American-led coalition, said.

But some experts say that Iraq’s response to the Russians reflects the fractured nature of decision-making in Baghdad, its attempt to navigate a middle ground between the United States and Iran and that the Iraqi government has a divergent reading of how to deal with Syria.

“Power and authority in Iraq have become increasingly diffused, with various players now exercising unilateral power over the use of force,” said Ramzy Mardini, a nonresident fellow at the Atlantic Council.

“Neutrality is the best Washington can hope for in Baghdad,” Mr. Mardini said. “Iraq is still a fragile state whose leaders are exposed to politics. In the discourse of Iraqi politics, forcing Abadi to side with the U.S. against Assad is like realigning him with the Sunni axis against the Shia one.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/28/world/middleeast/iraq-agrees-to-share-intelligence-on-isis-with-russia-syria-and-iran.html?_r=0

Author: Back in PA Mike

Crotchety middle aged man with a hot younger wife dead set on saving this Country.

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kokoda
kokoda
September 29, 2015 9:25 am

Russia entering the Syria fray is a good event. Hopefully, along with many other events, this is a defining warning to the U.S. for it to stop its dictatorial actions across the planet.

Hopefully, but in no way am I in the expectation camp.

DRUD
DRUD
September 29, 2015 10:29 am

The USG, worshiping at the alter of the Wolfowitz Doctrine, have made a total break from reality…in other words, they’ve become madmen with nuclear weapons. The question is this: Is Putin a strong enough leader and good enough a strategist to save the world from these madmen? For now, it appears that he is. For the second time now, he has stepped in and saved the situation in Syria. The issue of course is that now we are one “incident” away from a massive conflict that no one would be able to stop.

Persnickety
Persnickety
September 29, 2015 11:12 am

Putin can’t believe what a gaping wide opening the US has left for him, or the utter stupidity of our political and military… uh…. “strategies.” He probably didn’t much want to be in Syria but is acting rather like the neighbor taking over as caretaker of an abandoned house so it doesn’t get further vandalized.

Many here seem to admire Putin blindly. Be careful, as he is no friend of the USA. He is a capable leader taking actions for the benefit of Russia, and sometimes the incidental benefit of others. He certainly seems less evil and power-hungry than our crop of politicians in office since, oh, say, 1989. Since the US has gone from bad leadership to no leadership he looks like a genius to us, but that doesn’t make him OUR savior.

Rise Up
Rise Up
September 29, 2015 1:52 pm

@Back in Mike PA – Suggestion for a “Question of the Day”:

If the government fell and you could raid the files/pictures/items of 2 agencies, which would they be?

Me:

1) NASA files and photographs (the ones they won’t show the public)
2) Smithsonian Museum (all those artifacts they keep secret)

Persnickety
Persnickety
September 29, 2015 1:55 pm

“If the government fell and you could raid the files/pictures/items of 2 agencies, which would they be?”

FBI and DOD. Find out who’s really running the government and just how deep the DOD rabbit hole goes.

Rise Up
Rise Up
September 29, 2015 1:57 pm

what do you think about Russia entering the Syrian fray?
—————–
Probably will be a huge game-changer. Possibly the start of a new paradigm in geopolitics.

Desertrat
Desertrat
September 29, 2015 2:13 pm

Anybody who doesn’t see what Putin has been doing and is doing just flat-out hasn’t been paying attention.

Simplest put: He’s looking at Russia’s national interest. You don’t have to be a “worshiper” to understand that. I’ve not seen it written that he’s supposed to kowtow to our Wolfowitz Doctrine.

He and Xi are playing chess. Our so-called leaders are still struggling to learn the rudiments of tic-tac-toe.

Welshman
Welshman
September 29, 2015 2:45 pm

Putin sees what we did in Libya, and since Syria is 40% there, he is going to take steps and try to restore order. The neo-cons in the US have led us down the wrong alley, and Putin gets it.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
September 29, 2015 5:40 pm

I think it’s great! I hope China and Iran put boots on the ground too. We preach to the world that we ALL need to fight terrorism and the USSA is the biggest terrorist in history. Russia joining the fray helps to keep us honest. The absolute BEST thing our govt could do is welcome them with open arms but that will never happen as it interferes with us fighting against ISIS in Iraq while training and arming them in Syria.

I think Russia and China need to move into some of the former US bases throughout Europe, Asia, Africa and the ME. Hellenikon AB in Greece would be a good place for Russia or China and would help the local economy immensely. Anything to put the brakes on the terrorism we spread throughout the world is a good thing.

It will all lead to WWIII but we’re headed there anyway. The sooner we get it over with the sooner the survivors can rebuild the next welfare/warfare economy because we sure as fuck can’t learn from past mistakes. Forward!!

AC
AC
September 29, 2015 7:21 pm

Gas sales to Eurotopia. Syria is the last domino that needs to fall for this to happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar-Turkey_pipeline

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
September 29, 2015 7:38 pm

I think it’s about time Russia and for that matter China push back against the U.S. efforts to overthrow sovereign governments of countries that did NOT attack us. And just because we’re the “indispensable nation”.

The neocon Wolfowitz doctrine must be rejected. You guys remember Wolfowitz don’t you? One of “W”‘s cronies, along with Cheney, Feith, Turd Blossom, et al. I’ll bet most of the regulars here voted for him at least once.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
September 29, 2015 9:18 pm

Persnickety has the most realistic view of Putin I’ve seen on TBP.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
September 29, 2015 9:56 pm

Not only does El Trump crib from Reagan’s tax plan, he is now copying Reagan’s backroom deal over the Iranian hostage situation. He has practically sent a Zimmerman telegraph to Putin, approving Russia’s intervention in Syria. Stick a fork in Obama, he’s done.

So let’s jump to the question of the day: What will be Trump’s first major crisis? If he follows the Reagan script, he will pull a Scott Walker, which is why he had to get Walker out.

Fiorina will prove to be another Ferraro, an also-ran.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
September 29, 2015 9:57 pm

Overthecliff says: Persnickety has the most realistic view of Putin I’ve seen on TBP.

Give him a hand-job already

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
September 29, 2015 10:00 pm

Putin playing the Great White Hope.
It’s working.
Whites will vote for Putin if he runs for POTUS.

Hollow man
Hollow man
September 29, 2015 10:36 pm

Somebody needs to whip ISIS ass and break their spirit. Might as well be the Russians with a little help from their friends. We to screwed up to do it now.

Back in PA Mike
Back in PA Mike
September 29, 2015 11:06 pm

Thank you Rise Up. I’ll put it in tomorrow!

SSS
SSS
September 29, 2015 11:39 pm

Overthecliff says:

“Persnickety has the most realistic view of Putin I’ve seen on TBP.”

Hmmm. Let’s see about that.

“He (Putin) probably didn’t much want to be in Syria but is acting rather like the neighbor taking over as caretaker of an abandoned house so it doesn’t get further vandalized.”
—-Persnickety

Russia has been Syria’s most important ally since Syria gained independence from France in the 1940s. And it is its most important trading, especially military armament, and investment partner. But the most important factor for Russia is its leased naval facility in Tartus, Syria, which has existed since the 1970s. Tartus is Russia’s naval anchor in the eastern Mediterranean and its ONLY support base for its Black Sea naval fleet.

And Snick ignorantly says “Putin probably didn’t much want to be in Syria.” The fuck he doesn’t. Syria is critical to Russian naval operations in the Med and Atlantic.

Got that, Overthecliff? Got that, Snick? Got that, people?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
September 30, 2015 12:56 am

My buddy gave me a short lesson on asking open ended questions without leading the respondant.
Those restrictions don’t apply here.

I’ve submitted 2 QoD suggestions to no avail. What’s the deal?

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER
September 30, 2015 1:29 am

EC- What were your QoD’s again, I forget? Maybe Mike just missed seeing them.

SSS
SSS
September 30, 2015 12:41 pm

I hate to say “I told you so” @ 11:39 pm yesterday, but this just in …………..

A U.S. official said Russian airstrikes targeted fighters in the vicinity of Homs, located roughly 60 miles east of a Russian naval facility in Tartus, and were carried out by a “couple” of Russian bombers.