I am not in any way a historian. What are some of the Constitutional republics or republic like governments through history, and how long did they last before being corrupted like ours?
Question of the Day, Dec 8
I am not in any way a historian. What are some of the Constitutional republics or republic like governments through history, and how long did they last before being corrupted like ours?
It all started in Rome around 509 BC when the Roman Kingdom was defeated in revolution and ended there the day Caesar crossed the Rubicon with his army and seized control as a dictator.
Some would argue ti ended with Caesar’s appointment as dictator in 44 BC, but I contend it ended with his crossing of the Rubicon which violated the prime law of the Republic about armies entering Rome in January of 49 BC.
I have also heard it ended at Caesars death, but reject that argument since dictators are not a part of a Republic.
That was probably the longest running one in Western history.
Ask Martin Armstrong that question.
From 500 BC to present there have been 3 RR’s. If you throw out women voters there have been 11 RR’s If you throw out non landowners and women there have been 17 RR’s
Now for extra credit. What form of government replaced the RR EACH TIME.
Native American government (tribal council) was extremely inclusive and the input of all people including females in the tribe. Our founding fathers patterned our governance around the system they saw in native tribal council where everyone has a voice (vote) . Luckily the founding fathers were smart enough to exclude kneegrows and womenz, no offense to the ladies here at TBP. Look what a mess we have since the aforementioned people started pulling the lever on election day.
My people, the Cherokee, have been here for at least 45,000 years, I’m not sure how long tribal council has been a part of their history but I would bet it is much longer than anything taught in the history books.
Bea , hate to break it to you but your people were nothing but wondering savages who were constantly at war with other injuns .They invented nothing , not even the bow and arrow.
Next you’ll be telling us your people build the pyramids in Egypt. Why can’t you inferior people just accept the fact that you are inferior ?
The original constitution, the Articles of Confederation, was dismantled and usurped without proper authority because it had a weak federal government, and the sparks of rebellion were alive and well even after the treaty with Britain was signed. In short, the common people (productive white men) had too much power, and the ruling class was scared.
It was replaced with the current constitution, which is so revered by cuckservatives and pied piper alcoholics like Glenn Beck just trying to make a buck off of hem. The current constitution was the “fetus of monarchy” which justified, over time, everything you see before you today. The document in its time was by no means without controversy. Washington was advised not to attend what could be considered an “illegal assembly.” Three different plans were proposed, with vile snake Hamilton offering an even quicker route to tyranny. Some of the delegates refused to sign the final abomination.
Republic of Venice 697-1797
We have a family home in Veneto and the people are proud of the fact that their Republic lasted as long as the Roman Republic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Venice
The Swiss republic is still largely functional after 400 years.
NOTHING about the USA is as you were taught in school. It’s a feedback loop, where truth is what is taught, and those in the University and elite press decide what is truth. Your mind has been controlled from early childhood.
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“You see, the problem is not just that our present system of government – which might be described succinctly as an atheistic theocracy – is accidentally similar to Puritan Massachusetts. As anatomists put it, these structures are not just analogous. They are homologous. This architecture of government – theocracy secured through democratic means – is a single continuous thread in American history.
“An excellent historical description of this continuity is George McKenna’s Puritan Origins of American Patriotism – it gets a little confused in the 20th century, but this is to be expected. However, as a demonstration, I am particularly partial to one particular primary source – this article from 1942, which I found somehow in Time Magazine’s wonderful free archive.
“The nice thing about reading a primary source from 1942 is that you are assured of its “period” credentials, unless of course someone has hacked Time’s archive. The author cannot possibly know anything about 1943. If you find a text from 1942 that describes the H-bomb, you know that the H-bomb was known in 1942. One such text is entirely sufficient.
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“We don’t just live in something vaguely like a Puritan theocracy. We live in an actual, genuine, functioning if hardly healthy, 21st-century Puritan theocracy.
What this means is that you can trust hardly any of your beliefs. You were educated by this system, which purports to be a truth machine but is clearly nothing of the sort. Since the US is not the Soviet Union, hard scientific facts – physics, chemistry, and biology, are unlikely to be wrong. But the Soviet Union actually did pretty well with hard science.
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@bb: “They invented nothing , not even the bow and arrow”
Not quite true – i’ve heard that they are credited with inventing the 6 pack.
@Bea: “My people, the Cherokee, have been here for at least 45,000 years”
Are you huffing paint again? Give me proof – show me a 45,000 year old casino.
Bea,
I’m open to the idea of an early settlement of the Americas, but what would you say caused the extinction of the Pleistocene megafauna if it wasn’t the arrival of humans?
PA Mike –
When the Empiratic Republics fall, the fall is profound, hard and permanent. They don’t come back.
Case in point;
The population of the city of Rome from it’s glorious height of conquest and power (50 BC – 75 AD) until it’s final death throes (300-350 AD), fell from 1,000,000 to 14,000
The above figures are approximations by differing historians, mostly all tend to agree upon.
All of you injun haters can bite me !!
Do some research some time you may learn something, Cherokee nation was HUGE, and at one point the Cherokee spoke Greek along with their own language…….don’t make me go on the warpath.
And fuck you who downed my comment…..it is all true.
http://www.dnaconsultants.com/_blog/DNA_Consultants_Blog/post/Cherokee_Spoke_Greek_and...
Well that link didn’t work but you assholes can do a search for DNA proof that The Cherokee have Greek and Sumarian markers and spoke greek. My head hurts.
Bea,
Googled your suggestion. Very interesting information, thank you, but seems most likely to me that the middle eastern DNA arrived from the East, not earlier than perhaps 3500 BC.
The Cherokee were a great Southern people but a few “Blacks & Muslims” kept attacking Whites and the whole tribe paid the price. Wonder if the peaceful injuns can take a hint.
AP- The University of SC published their evidence that humans/ Indians were in N.A. 50,000 years ago around the Savannah River, Allendale County area in SC. I think that was in 2003-2004 if you can do a search. Dig a little deeper and you will find that the Cherokee were trading with S.A. and the middle east thousands of years ago.
That area in SC was a part of the Cherokee Nation.
The Cherokee were trading with Saudi Arabia and the middle east thousands of years ago.
I read Muhammad didn’t gather his people until the 7th century. What empire did the Arabs have from the Roman to the Ottoman Empire?
Republic: A state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
Democracy professes the same.
So Athenian form of governance was the last Republic, IMO.
Plato [ though some academics claim he was Socrates] ended with the 13 Tyrants. So no real Republics have, IMO, existed since.
EC-
S.A.= South America
They prolly traded with the beaners . Mayans were for sure trading with the Creek and the Cherokee.
I think the Roman Republic actually ended with Antony and Augustus, with Augustus winning. When Caesar was dictator, it’ is reported he planned to return the republic after he “put it back to the way it was supposed to be” Just as Sulla did before him. Sulla supposedly put the republic back the way he thought it was supposed to be, and then he retired and returned Rome as a republic. Then Caesar had his turn but was killed while still dictator. When Augustus took over, the republic never came back and he remained dictator.
After initially dismissing them out of hand, I looked into Bea’s statements, and some of the information out there is actually kinda interesting.
http://www.dnaconsultants.com/_literature_137399/More_Anomalous_Mitochondrial_DNA_Lineages_in_the_Cherokee
http://www.examiner.com/article/dna-scientists-claim-that-cherokees-are-from-the-middle-east
While these raise more questions than answers, there might be something to it after all.
On an unrelated note, it has now been conclusively proven that Chinese ships visited the New World repeatedly during the Song Dynasty (see admiral Zheng He), using massive compartmentalized ships, including paddle-wheel driven models in use from the 6th century BCE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_history_of_China
Well thank you Robert for not being the typical tv watching pablum brain that I have to deal with around here.
These fukwits can dismiss the Cherokee tribal council and that is fine, I guess they were not cultured polite society enough to suit the TBP taste BUT to challenge my statements with such snide and hateful remarks as did Dutchman and bb is unacceptable.
I think they owe me an apology , don’t you?
@Vic, I would say the Roman Republic was clearly in trouble well before Caesar, say dating to the tribunates of the Gracchi brothers around 130 BC.