Dow could fall 5,000 points and still not be ‘cheap’

So says a certain stock-valuation analysis

Hard to believe, but the Dow Jones Industrial Average DIA, +0.91%  could fall by another 1,000 to 5,000 points and still not be “cheap” compared with long-term stock-valuation measures.

That’s the stark conclusion from an analysis comparing current stock prices to underlying measures such as per-share revenue, earnings and corporate net worth.

And it suggests that even if we are now overdue for a short-term bounce or rally of some kind, buying heavily into the latest sell-off isn’t the kind of one-way bet that value investors crave.

Stocks are certainly much cheaper than they were a few weeks ago. After the worst start to a new year in Wall Street history, the Dow Jones Industrial Average is down about 10% since Jan. 1. Small-company stocks are now deep in a bear market after falling more than 20% from last spring’s highs.

But cheaper doesn’t necessarily mean cheap.

Even after the sell-off, U.S. stocks are valued at around 1.4 times annual per-share revenue. FactSet says the average since 2001, when it began tracking the data, is 1.3 times revenue. So the Dow could fall another 7%, or over 1,000 points, and still be no lower than its modern-day average.

And the picture looks even worse when you also add in those companies’ soaring debts. According to the Federal Reserve, nonfinancial corporations have increased their total debts since 2007 from $6.3 trillion to over $8 trillion. As FactSet says, total shares plus total debts — the so-called “enterprise value” — of U.S. public companies are now 2.4 times annual per-share revenue, compared with an average of 2.1 times since 2001.

Data from the U.S. Federal Reserve, meanwhile, say U.S. nonfinancial corporate stocks are now valued at about 90% of the replacement cost of company assets, a metric known as “Tobin’s Q.” But the historic average, going back a century, is in the region of 60% of replacement costs. By this measure, stocks could fall by another third, taking the Dow all the way down toward 10,000. (On Wednesday it closed at 15,767.) Similar calculations could be reached by comparing share prices to average per-share earnings, a measure known as the cyclically adjusted price-to-earnings ratio, commonly known as CAPE, after Yale finance professor Robert Shiller, who made it famous.

Even when you compare stocks to the earnings of the past 12 months, it’s hard to say they are in any kind of bargain territory.

At best, depending on how you measure things, you could say they’re no longer wildly expensive.

None of this means the current slump must get worse anytime soon. The only short-term cause of a market selloff is the same: more sellers than buyers. At some point more buyers appear, while some sellers pause for breath. Wednesday afternoon’s turnaround, which saw the Dow erase half of an early 500-point slump, is at least a hopeful sign.

But it certainly casts a cloud over any bargain hunting. And note that these numbers only measure how far the market would have to fall to reach average levels. They do not reflect what would happen if the market did what it has done frequently in the past, and plunged back down to very cheap levels. Maybe that will never happen. Let’s hope. Because when you factor in those numbers, it’s a long way down.

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SpecOpsAlpha
SpecOpsAlpha
January 21, 2016 2:20 pm

LOL, I just read this and then saw it here.

Yes, stocks are immensely overvalued. With debt growing in the companies and earnings shrinking, the Enterprise Value IS falling and stocks must as well. Get out now, today, right now.

kokoda
kokoda
January 21, 2016 2:23 pm

There are lots of dark clouds, but one must look for the light clouds.

bb
bb
January 21, 2016 3:02 pm

Hey Meatheads , enough of worrying about money and Stuckys addiction to porn.

Archaeologists have found …. thousands of blonde and red haired mummies in Egypt. Oh Hell no.

Antiquities minister immediately revokes American digging permission. Can’t have no blonde haired blue eyed mummies in Egypt ….says the New observer.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
January 21, 2016 3:42 pm

With the current “mark to fantasy” accounting and all the “buy-backs”, how does any investor determine the value of anything? PM’s and ultrashorts for me.

Tommy
Tommy
January 21, 2016 4:18 pm

When it goes, nobody will know what the true value of anything is – it will over correct this time to a level that will astound even the bull with the biggest balls. And the companies affected will be in the shitter……which is something many forget. Whats a great opportunity when the underlying economics are terrible everywhere?

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
January 21, 2016 4:32 pm

bb, you didn’t think a bunch of niggers established a great civilization did you?

bb
bb
January 21, 2016 4:41 pm

Overthecliff , I thought it was funny that the Egyptian government won’t allow American archaeologists to there anymore. Apparently you can’t have blonde haired blue eyed Egyptians.