Is the involvement of Israel in the terror attack on 9/11 mere tin foil hat theory or something of substance that demands a Congressional investigation?
Do you remember five men being arrested by NYPD on 9-11 for filming and celebrating the attacks?
– noun – dis·be·lief \?dis-b?-?l?f\
: a feeling that you do not or cannot believe or accept that something is true or real.
There are many conspiracy theories surrounding 9-11, but this article focuses on just one conspiracy fact. The FBI released the, “Five Dancing Israelis,” that were arrested by the NYPD on 9-11 for filming and celebrating the attacks on the WTC and driving around in a van that tested positive for explosives. These were admitted Mossad agents working undercover in the USA.
Here is an interesting exercise that I invite all zerohedge readers to try. The next several times that you engage someone in a conversation, preferably a politician running for office, ask the following questions.
Do you remember anything about five Middle Eastern men being arrested by the NYPD on 9-11 for filming and celebrating the attacks on the WTC and driving around Manhattan in a van that tested positive for explosives…these were admitted foreign intelligence agents working undercover in the USA?
In asking this question dozens of times, most recently in a conversation with two rabbis at one of the five Holocaust Museums in Texas, I have personally never, not once, had a person answer yes.
However, if they do answer yes to you, then ask if they recall what nation the men were from. I would be shocked to hear any American say, “Israel.”
If they answer no, tell them they were Israeli Mossad agents, and ask if that helps them to remember.
Again, I have never had anyone say that they knew anything about what I was talking about. Not once, not in any city, nor in any state of the USA. If the conversation does continue, what I do hear, almost exclusively, is utter disbelief that what I am saying is true.
But it is true.
Now, consider that since 9-11, the USA has invaded and occupied what was once the sovereign nation of Afghanistan for almost 15 years and counting, allegedly due to the role it played in 9-11. We have spent billions upon billions of dollars and killed tens of thousands of people, if not hundreds of thousands, in this war effort.
A girl who was burned beyond recognition by a U.S. drone in Afghanistan and left for dead in a trashcan before she had to undergo reconstructive surgery. The chemicals in the missiles burn so hot they can light a tank on fire, but this is somehow different from the chemical warfare allegedly waged by our enemy…Hellfire thermobaric warhead using a metal augmented explosive charge is used primarily in urban warfare, against bunkers, buildings caves and other concealed targets. This warhead is designed to inflict greater damage in multi-room structures, compared to the Hellfire’s standard or blast-fragmentation warheads. The Metal Augmented Charge or MAC (Thermobaric) Hellfire, designated AGM-114N, has completed rapid development cycle in 2002 and was deployed during OIF by US Marines Helicopters in Iraq. The new warhead contains a fluorinated aluminum powder that is layered between the warhead casing and the PBXN-112 explosive fill. When the explosive detonates, the aluminum mixture is dispersed and rapidly burns. The resultant sustained high pressure is extremely effective against enemy personnel and structures. The AGM-114N is designed for deployment from helicopters such as the AH-1W or UAVs such as the Predator drones.
I hear that more US soldiers serving in Afghanistan now die from suicide than are killed by the Afghanis, in what is now the longest war in American history. Yet, we are now in our third Presidential election in the USA since 9-11 and the occupation of Afghanistan, and the candidates aren’t talking about any of this, and the Fourth Estate sure as hell isn’t asking any questions.
Why?
Don’t you want to know how the Presidential candidates feel about the fact that the FBI released the Five Dancing Israelis? What about your congressmen and senators? Don’t you want to know how our nation can imprison Afghanis in Guantanamo Bay, without trial, and torture them for information regarding 9-11…for more than a decade…yet the FBI released the Five Dancing Israelis to fly back to Israel and do television interviews.
If our politicians respond with disbelief, like everyone else I have ever asked, then what does that tell us?
If nobody from the Fourth Estate ever asks them these questions, then what does that tell us?
If you are afraid to engage people with this type of conversation, then please read my article: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-06/hedgelesshorsemans-revolutionar…
Never forget: War is a racket!
Why the dancing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMkX5uemLyk
I remember those guys well and I remember the people getting off a train in the basement and hearing explosions “that never happened” and the shorts on the two airlines that were a big deal until they were traced to intelligence personnel and then it never happened either and the hole in the Pentagon that a cruise missile made that an airliner couldn’t fit through. And just like the Murrah building, no one was allowed to take pictures or samples to see if any demolition was involved and then the whole thing was removed ASAP and buried. All funny things about this Zionist occupied government (ZOG). .
No more trufe during breakfast please….
Yes.
Urban Moving.
“We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems.”
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
1. At the end of the vid, the guy says “it was our purpose to document the event”.
2. One year before, the picture in a jail cell of the WTC with plane flying into it.
3. The huge stock market “shorts” that have not been explained to the public.
These 3 items testify to the known, planned event.
from HSF’s link…more questions than answers.
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?
Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won’t forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.
Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.
She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.
Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. “They seemed to be taking a movie,” Maria said.
The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men’s faces. “They were like happy, you know … They didn’t look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange,” she said.
She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.
The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey’s Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.
The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.
‘We Are Not Your Problem’
According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan “during the incident” — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.” The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.
When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI’s Criminal Division, and into the bureau’s Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.
One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.
After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving’s Weehawken, N.J., offices.
The FBI searched Urban Moving’s offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving’s owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI’s questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.
Three months later 2020’s cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.
The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.
‘A Scary Situation’
Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients’ actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. “You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They’re speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on ’em. One’s got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that’s a scary situation.”
But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were taking pictures of the event.
The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.
The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.
Plenty of Speculation
Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.
Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities’ interest in the case was heightened when some of the men’s names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.
Israeli Intelligence Connection?
According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been “set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area.”
Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.
For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.
Sources say the Israelis were targeting these fund-raising networks because they were thought to be channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, groups that are responsible for most of the suicide bombings in Israel. “[The] Israeli government has been very concerned about the activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that could be a support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad,” Cannistraro said.
The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of the New Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney, dismissed the allegations as “stupid and ridiculous.”
Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes even further, asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S. officials.
“These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the United States, and the American intelligence authorities have never raised this issue with us,” Regev said. “The story is simply false.”
No ‘Pre-Knowledge’
Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, “To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11.”
Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11,” Cannistraro noted.
As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the attack on the Internet, couldn’t see it from their offices and went to the parking lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a good explanation for why they may have been smiling with the towers of the World Trade Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers for the young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct.
According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.
While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS’ questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.
Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, “The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.”
rhs, the cruise missile into the pentagon fantasy is the dumbest of all the whack job theories. The pentagon sits in the wide open in a triangle of major arteries. I’m sure it was witnessed by hundreds if not thousands of drivers. Not only that, but the nation, myself included watched on live TV as the plane went over the white house, circled to the right, and chose the pentagon as it’s target. Give that one up, it didn’t happen. Didn’t Jim put up pictures of the plane wreckage last time?
I’d answer, but then I realized I have 9-11 Truth Fatigue.
Auf Wiedersehn.
Stuck, since when did pursuit of the truth become blase?
There are many here, for whom this subject is of great importance. Having never pursued this subject in the least, I’m interest in what they have to say.
Sorry, but this isn’t about you.If you have nothign to say on the matter then don’t. It’s as simple as that
15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. Israel and SA view Iran as the enemy. The Intel guys thought that Saddam was losing his grip on power and that he had to replaced with a government that would provide a buffer against Iran. SA hated Saddam anyway so the decision was made to remove him. Now, how to get a big and powerful nation to do this for you….
Flash- The witness (Maria) saw the van owned by Urban Moving pull up and park a short time after the first tower was hit if I remember. Thanks for bringing this up for discussion.
Saudi Arabian Muslims were heavily involved and Saudi was used to finance the operation. Muslims from other countries were involved as well, and a Muslim organization with hostile intent towards the United States was the overall instigator of it.
Islam in general is at war with the United States on multiple fronts. This was a direct major attack on the mainland of the United States, something that has never been done before in modern times by any enemy.
Everyone on the Muslim side of things had something to gain by an attack on the United States mainland and they took credit for it with widespread celebrations throughout the Islamic world.
So what would Israel have to gain by it?
Why would they do it?
One thing Israel does not do is act without a genuine motive, with something to gain through their actions, not just for the sheer nastiness of it the way the Muslims do.
Also, the dancing Israelis went back to Israel after they were released from jail and appeared on TV shows, so I’m pretty sure in my mind they were Israeli assets.
The Israelis obviously had prior knowledge of the event. That doesn’t mean they were the perpetrators, although that is one possibility.
It hasn’t and won’t be investigated because the relevant officials in the government at the time were all too happy with the event, and at least some of them also had prior knowledge, or may have been perpetrators.
Anyone who reads a shred of the real evidence on 9/11/01 knows that the official story is total bullshit. That doesn’t mean you will know who really caused the attack or how – I don’t – but the official story is total bullshit. It was an exceedingly convenient Reichstag Fire / USS Maine / Pearl Harbor / Tonkin Gulf incident for a variety of people then in power, including the Bush regime and the Israeli government regime of the time, both of which continue to be in de facto power today.
“So what would Israel have to gain by it?
Why would they do it?”
Google USS Liberty.
Or you could ask the same question regarding the alleged perps in the official account.
I’d be curious.
I just watched this clip and Douglas Rushkoff @ 1:55 says that adherents of Judaism smash thing that aren’t true , like the notion of nations states right to boundaries..
Unless it’s the boundaries of Israel in question.
Is is by plan or coincidence that billionaires Jews( e.g. Paul Singer, Sheldon Adelson , George Soros) fund Open Borders activism for Western nation but ignore Israeli apartheid ?
” but the nation, myself included watched on live TV as the plane went over the white house, circled to the right, and chose the pentagon as it’s target. ”
OK, starfcker, you aren’t the first person I’ve seen make that claim about live TV footage of the plane. If it’s such a common piece of video there should be a way for you to link us to it so we can view it.
I’m not claiming that there was no such footage shown on TV, I’m saying that I never saw it. Please hook me up, here. I’d really like to see it for myself. Post me a link so I can join the rest of the nation, yourself included. I just feel so fuckin left out, y’know?
Supertramp is an English band, but I believe they have done concerts Israel. I am not sure though.
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Uncanny- Good post of “mirroring” on album cover.
Flash- Without a doubt it is no coinky dink that billionaire Joos are leading the charge to destroy boundaries as the NWO/ One World Government is definitely a Jooish project.
Bea @ 1:08 pm. We might be be dealing with tricky bastards who have been planning for decades. I also thought the 911 demolition post was interesting on TBP yesterday. What confounds me is how they could pull all of these “Hegelian Dialectic” gigs off without one fearless truth-teller cracking the collective cases wide open. For example, would it be hard to find out if any construction / maintenance crew(s) were operating in the twin towers prior to 911? How could they plant explosive materials on every floor of both towers? Even if Mossad was there, I don’t think they could have pulled it off alone. Even, if indeed, the guys in the white van were Mossad, they still got caught, which makes them “conspiracy stupid” in my opinion.
It’s hard to say. As for me, I am going to try and figure out how to play this song backwards and see what I find:
Let´s cut out all the bullshit. The FBI and CIA know perfectly well that the Israelis had -at the very least – guilty prior knowledge of 9/11. it is probable that the hijackers were dupes, unwittingly under the control of the Mossad (which has created many Arab “terrorist” groups when it is not carrying out false flag operations itself.) The key to the whole thing is the “Israeli Art Students” affair. Look it up.
Sorry ed. Not my job. I could care less. Not trying to be nasty. Just reporting the facts. 9/11 is a black hole to research, just don’t want to waste the time. Half the conspiricy stuff might be true. I don’t know, or have a strong opinion. But I know what I’m talking about on this tiny bit.
I ate lunch at the Quizno’s on young circle in Hollywood the week before 9/11. It was right next to my bank. The Shuck’ems Mohammed Atta and his boys were partying in that Saturday night is right across the street, you look right at it. It was a big deal down here, tracking those guy’s movements. Some things just are what they are.
“Sorry ed. Not my job. I could care less.”
You mean you actually care a lot, then. If you’d said “I COULD’NT care less”… but nevermind.
” But I know what I’m talking about on this tiny bit.”
Oh, I get it.only a few people with eidetic memory syndrome who were glued to the tube saw any such footage of the actual plane that actually hit the Pentagon, and none of them thought to record the footage to post it on Youtube.
This same group, yourself included, also caught the edition of 60 Minutes which showed actual video of W himself actually finding the actual WMDs that Saddam Hussein actually had stashed all over Iraq.
Everyone else, as a nation, myself included, somehow just missed these historic TV events.
OK, I get it.
Maybe we didn’t go to the Moon.
And, maybe it really was the Arabs, and Israel had little to do with 911. Just a thought. Because I See no real “smoking gun” here? Just saying.
The evidence seems to point more towards the Arabs. Unless it truly is a MSM mindfuck. Who knows? In the meantime, I suppose we will all believe what we want.
https://youtu.be/PfNO5E8hQWk
Also – although I can see how the Illuminati benefited from 911 (i.e. – Patriot Act, TSA, NSA, Department of Homeland Security, etc). Yet, I fail to see how Israel benefited from 911?
Unlike some here, I refuse to conflate the Illuminati with Israel. I think this is wrong.
To me, this is similar to conflating the Torah with the Talmud.
But HEY! That’s just me.
Rock on party people and let the “unlikes” roll…
“Maybe we didn’t go to the Moon. ”
I can say for sure that I didn’t go to the moon. Whuffo I wanna go to no moon fo? Huh? Whuffo?
As for y’all, if y’all ain’t sure if y’all went to the moon then maybe y’all would benefit from puttin’ the plug in the jug, or something.
Ed @ 7:27 pm: maybe y’all would benefit from puttin’ the plug in the jug, or something.
You make a lot of sense. I do tend to think a lot of people here drink and comment. This is very unfortunate. From what I have seen, I don’t think The Uncola drinks that much. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if he drinks much more.
Stubb, that’s unfortunate indeed. A pleasant evening to you.