Sunday Q.O.T.D. —– Cruz vs. God’s Voice

One day, not so long ago, Ted Cruz knelt in prayer for two hours at a Baptist church in Texas. The entire family wept. Then, Ted’s wife, Heidi, said she had received a message from above. The Lord instructed her to tell her beloved Ted to run for the White House.

Ted then looked up and said: ‘Lord, here am I, use me. I surrender to you, whatever you want.’” And, now to this day (depending on the audience) Ted will say to his audience “It is God’s will for me to run for the White House.

 

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Question #1 for Believers:  Do you believe Heidi actually got “a message from above”?

Note!  Not could it be possible.  Of course, as a Believer you must say she “could” have received such a message.  And, don’t give me any bologna about that message being “between her and God“.  Bullshit!  Not when it affects the entire nation! Stop being a weenie!  Do you believe God actually talked to her — “Yes” or “No“?

Question #2 for Believers:  If it’s God’s will for Teddie to run, how can he not win?? If he doesn’t win, what does that say about God’s will?

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Question for Non-Believers …. AND if you’re a Cruz supporter (like, SSS):  How in the fuck can you support a guy whose wife hears God’s voice and then acts on it???

Don’t you know these people believe in a literal nuclear Armageddon? What if Heidi gets a message from God that Teddie should nuke “Gog and Magog” …. Russia? Do you people really want a fuckin’ religious nut-job in charge of 10,000+ nukes??

Don’t you know what “perfect faith” yields?  Here’s a hint …

Author: Stucky

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Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2016 9:48 am

I don’t want an Evangelical president, I don’t want one but I don’t object to one either.*

I want a President that will protect and defend my right to be one as I choose and prevent the government being used against me to keep me from it.

* I’m always suspicious -I stress “suspicious”- of those who make great public display of their religion to accomplish personal purposes other than the carrying of the Gospel to those who haven’t heard it or had it explained to them. FWIW, that includes the Pope along with a few Mega Church TV preachers who glorify themselves more than Christ.

rhs jr
rhs jr
April 10, 2016 10:00 am

She said he said; there was no unaffiliated confirmation witness? Heidi Cruz is a Goldman-Sachs VP; maybe she heard the Son of Sam’s voice. Cruz isn’t anti-NWO (didn’t vote to Audit The Federal Reserve Bank) like Trump would have; do you think God is pro-NWO? I’ll just hold my Amen.

Walt
Walt
April 10, 2016 10:19 am

But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will claim as his rights.”

10 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.” 1 Samuel 8

Remember, the state killed Jesus, God’s son, ’cause he wouldn’t conform and preached resistance. I doubt God has much time for these sociopathic hypocrites. I’m sure Satan has all the time in the world for them, though.
So no, don’t think God has had words with either Mr or Mrs Cruz. These people are lying scum who will prostitute themselves to any extent for power. The fact he won’t win will only prove the fact that he’s a lying POS. Heaven help everybody if he does win, though, I can’t imagine a more dangerous thing as a ‘mandate from heaven’.

starfcker
starfcker
April 10, 2016 10:28 am

That was heidi’s god, Lloyd blankfein

KaD
KaD
April 10, 2016 10:58 am

“Do you believe Heidi actually got “a message from above”?”

That wasn’t God, it was his master at Goldman Sachs.

Ed
Ed
April 10, 2016 11:03 am

#1 : No, I think her knees were hurtin and she just wanted the whole shitaree to be over.

Olde Virginian
Olde Virginian
April 10, 2016 11:04 am

Stucky you have provoked a response from me with the last photo. “Perfect faith” in what the government and media tell you to believe about 9-11 or many, many other things — is that what you mean there?

I don’t know how the Cruz is set with the Almighty but I do know they are in pretty tight with GOLDMAN SACHS which certainly is close enough for horseshoes.

I am certain they are indeed guided by a voice from above – dozens of stories above the streets of Manhattan that is.

Philosophically to the broader question about God’s will: Ted running and Ted losing are not necessarily mutually exclusive manifestations of His will. If God were merely going to fix the election, he’d proceed to do that as will be done anyway by earthly powers.

TC
TC
April 10, 2016 11:10 am

Of course Heidi is telling the truth. It’s just that her God happens to be Lloyd Blankfein.

Olde Virginian
Olde Virginian
April 10, 2016 11:11 am

@Stucky re the Trump headline: Has he mentioned anything in his speeches about when the arrests of fifth columnists (pun intended) in the media will begin? If it was good enough policy for good old Honest Abe (when he wasn’t busy tormenting my ancestors) it’s certainly good enough for today.

First they came for the liberal media — and nobody even cared…

TC
TC
April 10, 2016 11:11 am

ha ha, hadn’t seen starfckr’s response above. Great minds think alike… or maybe it was just too obvious of a softball.

harry p.
harry p.
April 10, 2016 11:34 am

I literally want the position of POTUS to be vacant for 4 years to see if we are better off (i think we would be).

Gayle
Gayle
April 10, 2016 11:39 am

I’m a Believer. Men or women who flaunt their faith as a means to achieve political power scare me to death.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 10, 2016 11:44 am

Stucky,

I think the MSM is dumbfounded and terrified to find out how many of the public they can’t control, as if they thought themselves omnipotent only to suddenly find out they are not.

FWIW, I imagine this stuff they are trying in Boston is probably gaining some more supporters for Trump. I doubt they intended that.

In any event, it is now up to the Republican dirty tricks committee to stop Trump, maybe the same way the did last time an outsider (Perot) was in the running. The Media has failed.

Full Retard
Full Retard
April 10, 2016 12:33 pm

11 Now there was a certain old prophet living in Bethel, whose sons came and told him all that the man of God had done there that day. They also told their father what he had said to the king. 12 Their father asked them, “Which way did he go?” And his sons showed him which road the man of God from Judah had taken. 13 So he said to his sons, “Saddle the donkey for me.” And when they had saddled the donkey for him, he mounted it 14 and rode after the man of God. He found him sitting under an oak tree and asked, “Are you the man of God who came from Judah?”

“I am,” he replied.

15 So the prophet said to him, “Come home with me and eat.”

16 The man of God said, “I cannot turn back and go with you, nor can I eat bread or drink water with you in this place. 17 I have been told by the word of the Lord: ‘You must not eat bread or drink water there or return by the way you came.’”

18 The old prophet answered, “I too am a prophet, as you are. And an angel said to me by the word of the Lord: ‘Bring him back with you to your house so that he may eat bread and drink water.’” (But he was lying to him.) 19 So the man of God returned with him and ate and drank in his house.

20 While they were sitting at the table, the word of the Lord came to the old prophet who had brought him back. 21 He cried out to the man of God who had come from Judah, “This is what the Lord says: ‘You have defied the word of the Lord and have not kept the command the Lord your God gave you. 22 You came back and ate bread and drank water in the place where he told you not to eat or drink. Therefore your body will not be buried in the tomb of your ancestors.’”

23 When the man of God had finished eating and drinking, the prophet who had brought him back saddled his donkey for him. 24 As he went on his way, a lion met him on the road and killed him, and his body was left lying on the road, with both the donkey and the lion standing beside it. 25 Some people who passed by saw the body lying there, with the lion standing beside the body, and they went and reported it in the city where the old prophet lived.

26 When the prophet who had brought him back from his journey heard of it, he said, “It is the man of God who defied the word of the Lord. The Lord has given him over to the lion, which has mauled him and killed him, as the word of the Lord had warned him.”

kokoda
kokoda
April 10, 2016 12:38 pm

That group picture – I would just say it was a photo op, but then Heidi comes along with her personal revelation from G-O-D; haven’t we had a shitload of these people who have heard from and eve talked with G-O-D. And what have been the results. Either nothing (the End is Near) or deaths of many.

Should I laugh uncontrollably or bang my head against the wall?

John Angelo
John Angelo
April 10, 2016 1:37 pm

I’ve been open about my faith in Jesus throughout my time here and the following is my take:

Question #1: Do you believe Heidi actually got “a message from above”?

No. No, I don’t. I believe she’s delusional. I believe her husband is delusional. I’ve had a discomfort in my spirit about Ted Cruz from the beginning. Ironically I agree in principle with many of his political beliefs, but I simply don’t trust anything he says. I believe he filibustered to make a name for himself in the Senate. Truthfully I can’t even tell you the name of the other Texas senator, but I’m sure familiar with Lyin’ Ted.

Question #2: If it’s God’s will for Teddie to run, how can he not win?? If he doesn’t win, what does that say about God’s will?

I don’t claim to speak for God. My interpretation is God can use someone to run for a variety of purposes. It could be to bring a particular issue to the forefront, such as Trump with illegal immigration. It could be to keep someone else from winning, such as Trump. God could allow Cruz to run to expose Cruz’s hypocrisy. There’s a big difference between saying it’s God’s will to “run” and God’s will to “win.”

starfcker
starfcker
April 10, 2016 1:37 pm

TC, KaD, yeah that was a fat pitch down the middle if the plate. LOL

John Angelo
John Angelo
April 10, 2016 2:22 pm

No offense taken, Stucky, whether now or in prior posts. I don’t like organized religion either. I believe Jesus came to give people a new heart and a new perspective, not start a new religion.

In Matthew 28:19-20 Jesus said, in his final words to his disciples, “Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” In my understanding, Jesus isn’t commanding them to make “converts.” A “disciple” is someone who ALREADY believes and my purpose is to help them grow in their already existing faith or share my faith in a winsome manner should they be interested in hearing about it.

Jesus said in John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.” Who am I to do the drawing? I’m here to serve as a witness. Do I want everyone to believe? Absolutely. And why so? Because as a reward, among other things, we get a new body, a new heaven and new earth, and perfect fellowship. This world has a lot of beauty, but it also has a lot of suck. I wouldn’t want anyone to miss out on what Jesus promised, regardless if they’re Lyin’ Ted or Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. There’s room for everyone at the Lord’s table.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
April 10, 2016 3:23 pm

harry p- Belgium once had a government shutdown but I don’t remember the reason. After close to two years of the absence of their bureucrats the citizens started to clamor as to why they needed government at all.

TPTB almost shite their pants that the concept would dawn on the sheep and they quickly reactivated the worthless governing body there in Belgium.

So I ask you, if you can go for two years without these freeloaders, why DO we have them?

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
April 10, 2016 3:28 pm

If Heidi was down on her knees for that length of time, it would only be to give Lloyd Blankfein a blow job. The fact she was in a church would not deter her.

Ted and Heidi are both whores who should be very nervous in church as they serve a different god IMO.

Wip
Wip
April 10, 2016 4:09 pm

Who the fuck knows and who the fuck cares?

The truth is taking a bloodbath.

VietVet
VietVet
April 10, 2016 4:10 pm

1. Why didn’t God simply speak to Teddie himself
2. If you believe that God as you know him is omnipotent then nothing is beyond him

Cruz is a fraud IMHO

Southern Sage
Southern Sage
April 10, 2016 6:31 pm

If I have to listen to one more speech by this gibberish-spouting Bible thumper I will puke. I have nothing against religion and identify as a Christian. That said, I have totally lost patience with the sort of Evangelicals who would vote for a greaseball like Cruz because of his alleged direct link to God. As for Heidi, OMG! These two grifters are laughing their asses off at all the yokels, bogtrotters and peckerwoods actually voting for Cruz.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
April 10, 2016 7:17 pm

“Don’t you know what “perfect faith” yields? Here’s a hint …”

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A steadfast belief that an aircraft brought down a skyscraper?

Vic
Vic
April 10, 2016 7:51 pm

God no longer speaks to people as he did in the ancient past. Even the Jews know that. In fact one of their writings, can’t remember which, basically said that God no longer talks to them. That was between the Old Testament and the New Testament.

I think Ted Cruz uses religion to get votes. I wonder how much praying he did in public before he was a politician.

The Bible doesn’t tell you to flaunt your religion. You’re supposed to pray in private or silently or at church. You are to be an example to others in the way you act that reflects the glory of God — not a charlatan using religion to deceive people.

Cruz is trying to get the vote of the Armageddon-believing Christians, which he has done. I don’t believe Armageddon is coming. I’m a Postmillenialist. I believe Jesus returned “in this generation,” as he said he would in the Bible, when Jerusalem was destroyed in 79 A.D. using the Roman army.

The Christian’s job today is to be an example to others and bring others to Christ, but not in a pushy way or through threats or force or war.

Unassimilated
Unassimilated
April 10, 2016 8:19 pm

Ah, things are getting back to normal. Welcome back HSF. All is right in the world, again. Truth is, I would rather die a slow painful death, then live in a world where you and Stucky weren’t bitching at each other. Ha ha! Life is good… 🙂

Albrecht
Albrecht
April 10, 2016 9:05 pm

Fuck you and your total bullshit equating of Evangelical Christianity to Islam. In this, still one of the most advanced nations on Earth, Evangelicalism thrives. Everywhere Islam dominates is a totally backward shithole. Shove it up your ass.

John Angelo
John Angelo
April 10, 2016 10:09 pm

Just saw the headline on Drudge. Cruz disturbs me as much, if not more so, than Hillary Clinton. The GOP’s actions in Colorado might be the party’s self-immolation moment. Welcome to the Elephant Spring.

Full Retard
Full Retard
April 10, 2016 10:20 pm

Don’t you know these people believe in a literal nuclear Armageddon? What if Heidi gets a message from God that Teddie should nuke “Gog and Magog” …. Russia? Do you people really want a fuckin’ religious nut-job in charge of 10,000+ nukes?? Don’t you know what “perfect faith” yields? Here’s a hint …

The lunatic religious fanatic is a Hollywood meme. It is intended to curb the public’s enthusiasm for Christianity.

Here’s a conundrum: you post CNN’s CGI images of the aircraft hitting the tower yet you buy into the news that the news is manufactured. I guess you from Missouri where they believe anything they see.

Unassimilated
Unassimilated
April 10, 2016 10:50 pm

Now, I’m not so sure that Hardscrabble wasn’t doppled here tonight. His Avatar seems to match from his old posts, but even still, I am not so sure. In any event, this place can be so confusing sometimes.

Oh well…

Modern Chronicler
Modern Chronicler
April 10, 2016 11:57 pm

Question #1 for Believers: Do you believe Heidi actually got “a message from above”?

It depends on what you mean “from above.” If you mean that the God of the Bible, the Trinitarian God that evangelical Christians (raises hand) believes in, then no, I absolutely do not believe that God told Heidi Cruz to tell Ted to run for president.

It is very dangerous for people of whatever religious persuasion to claim that God has personally told them something. As a believer in God, I do believe that there can be times a person, during a time of prayer or reflection, receives a profound and very strong conviction in his spirit/heart. That can very well be God telling that person something.

Although I am a Christian and also somebody who follows political/current events, and while I’m not against a politician having a religious affiliation, I consider mixing one’s faith with one’s campaign something that should be done with great care and thought. To claim that one’s spouse is running for president because “God told me my husband should run” is foolish at best and outright dangerous at worst.

Question #2 for Believers: If it’s God’s will for Teddie to run, how can he not win?? If he doesn’t win, what does that say about God’s will?

Excellent questions; these are questions I’ve posed to fellow believers.

I will only address the second part.

Let’s say God’s will is for John Smith to become a successful bakery owner in his hometown. He learns all about bakery, breads, cakes, and he makes plenty of money to raise his family.

Yet John Smith makes bad choices. He deliberately drops out of high school, starts using drugs, refuses his parents’ admonitions and efforts to get him into a proper life path, and ends up in prison for criminal activity. He enters the system at 20, and gets out at 60.

God’s will didn’t get done in John Smith’s life – but that doesn’t mean that (speaking from a Christian viewpoint) that God isn’t omnipotent. How does one reconcile this? Free will. God has given us the freedom to choose.

I don’t expect these answers to satisfy all here, but I answered honestly.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
April 11, 2016 6:49 am

Stucky has confused “pure faith” in a higher power with “pure bullshit” in public proclamations or official claims..

People who truly live in tune with God’s love and believe in the Creator and all the associated blessing thus derived don’t behave like the people you describe and it’s evident in everything they do, from telling lies to snorting cocaine with strippers or whatever other squirrely acts of degenerate behavior these folks always seem to engage in. Power over others? Who seeks that? Certainly isn’t anyone in touch with God’s love.

Why don’t you blame it on wearing suits or living in cities or affiliations with clandestine government organizations, something all of these people also have in common besides their proselytizing and hypocrisy.

Ted, his wife, his Father- none of those people can prove to you that they “heard God’s voice” any more than the narrative can prove that 2 planes brought down 3 skyscrapers. I’m not saying they didn’t, just that I don’t believe them based on every other observable facts remotely connected to these narratives. YMMV.

Con artists con people the same way that magicians “do magic”. These are tricks because they work. Make appeals to God and country, talk about the children or the downtrodden, use magic words like abra cadabra, alakazam, freedom and democracy, equality and human rights and the audience will sit back in well conditioned awe.

You saw the Milgram experiment, Stucky, you understand the gist of it. Being seen on TV and having campaign signs with your name on it is no different that wearing a white lab coat and holding a clipboard- they infer authority and people cow before it.

And for what it’s worth I learn more from my time with a silent maple tree than I have from your jackass braying. Maybe you should try some quiet time every now and then. Maybe that will put you in touch with God.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
April 11, 2016 8:17 am

Could this really be HSF? He said bullshit……..this could be a very interesting day, interesting indeed.

You tell ’em HSF !!

Suzanna
Suzanna
April 11, 2016 10:05 am

Teddy, et al are a load of crappy-crap-crap!

Heidi heard God? I doubt it.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
April 11, 2016 12:03 pm

OMG Stucky……………coffee in the keyboard. Beverage warning, Mkaaayyy.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
April 11, 2016 12:10 pm

It’s all just a hologram just an illusion so it don’t mean nothing.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
April 11, 2016 12:50 pm

Stucky,

I spent years in far more hostile online forums than this oasis of pacifism, going up against people who write the kinds of things you do hurling the same kinds of invective with aplomb and I humiliated them repeatedly, like half drunk hecklers just for the mental exercise. But I don’t do tit for tat anymore and frankly I’m too old to give a shit what anyone thinks of me, one of the benefits of senescence I suppose. What I can’t do is allow someone to wallow in their ignorance willfully and I won’t make an exception here.

“I’m pretty sure the 9-11 terrorists were much more likely screaming “Allah Ackbar!!” as they final words before crashing into the towers”

You’re pretty sure because what you know about them is restricted to what you’ve read that follows the official narrative. The lives of the men who allegedly committed these acts didn’t exactly play out that way, however and it doesn’t take a sleuth to figure that out.

But since I have an affection for people who never managed to extricate themselves from the Garden State I’ll do you a solid.

Rudy Dekker, James Bamford, David Ray Griffin have all meticulously researched and documented the role of US intelligence agencies in aiding these men, overseeing their movements, suppressing action from other investigatory bodies and threatening witnesses and associates in order to prop up the narrative.

Let me try and explain this in layman’s terms; if someone tells you he is God fearing and law abiding but commits criminal acts in violation of his religious principles, is he really God fearing and law abiding? I submit that he is not. You cannot simultaneously worship the tenets of you faith while violating them. These men were, according to the Official 9/11 Commission Report, snorting coke in a go-go bars in the weeks leading up to the attack. Behavior defines a man, not his profession of faith.

You said-

“You simply don’t understand the difference between correlation and causation.”

Yet you entire post was about that exact thing.You correlate their profession of faith as a cause for potentially destructive behavior. I submit that they do not believe it at all, but use the trappings of belief and professions of adherence to a higher law as a means of concealing their criminality and calumny. By their fruits you shall know them.

Of course- and here’s the kicker- I don’t know anything. I’m completely ignorant of others true motives, beliefs, faith or righteousness and I could completely wrong about every single thing I have ever written, here or elsewhere and I admit it. I go through these online discussions and write the essays for one reason alone, for my own enlightenment. That’s it, just a attempt to satisfy curiosity.

I don’t care if you believe in Moon landings or not. Doesn’t mean anything to me that you think 19 Islamist fundamentalists/go-go fans yelling Allah Ackbar! hamstrung the entire US military/intelligence/security apparatus while on a coke binge in order to deliver the greatest single one day loss of civilian life in US history because they hate us for our freedom. That’s your business. You can call me every name you ever had to look up in a thesaurus because I rub you the wrong way with my maple syrup making, cow herding, banjo spankin’, trailer dwelling, no tooth having ignorance and all it will ever do is elicit a wry grin a slow nod back in the direction of Exit 13A. You’re probably right.

It’s all good as they say in your neck of the woods. But at least inform yourself about the basics before you set off on another epic beard guy rant. It’s like watching the teenage babysitter crack open the door to the basement after the crank phone call comes in because you just know how it’s all going to end.

Oh and just for fun, the first three minutes of the Nuremberg Trials-

Feel the pride and excitement! Just don’t notice the body language and facial expressions.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
April 11, 2016 1:02 pm

HSF- Well at least Stucky didn’t declare that your parents were first cousins. You got off light.

We did not go to the moon…………so says Ron Howard recently. He stated that he and his brother would watch them making the moon landing footage . Little Opie would not lie about this, I’m sure of it.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
April 11, 2016 1:11 pm

HSF

I suppose as long as you are smarter than us you can’t be vain in your use of wit.

Bravo sir your Good Book has served you well. You have the nerve to ask me to tone down my hostility and then post tripe like that. You sir are the Grand Poo bah of Hypocrites on TBP.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
April 11, 2016 1:18 pm