Yes, the System Is Rigged

Guest Post by Patrick J. Buchanan

Yes, the System Is Rigged

“I’m afraid the election is going to be rigged,” Donald Trump told voters in Ohio and Sean Hannity on Fox News. And that hit a nerve.

“Dangerous,” “toxic,” came the recoil from the media.

Trump is threatening to “delegitimize” the election results of 2016.

Well, if that is what Trump is trying to do, he has no small point. For consider what 2016 promised and what it appears about to deliver.

This longest of election cycles has rightly been called the Year of the Outsider. It was a year that saw a mighty surge of economic populism and patriotism, a year when a 74-year-old Socialist senator set primaries ablaze with mammoth crowds that dwarfed those of Hillary Clinton.

It was the year that a non-politician, Donald Trump, swept Republican primaries in an historic turnout, with his nearest rival an ostracized maverick in his own Republican caucus, Senator Ted Cruz.

More than a dozen Republican rivals, described as the strongest GOP field since 1980, were sent packing. This was the year Americans rose up to pull down the establishment in a peaceful storming of the American Bastille.

But if it ends with a Clintonite restoration and a ratification of the same old Beltway policies, would that not suggest there is something fraudulent about American democracy, something rotten in the state?

If 2016 taught us anything, it is that if the establishment’s hegemony is imperiled, it will come together in ferocious solidarity — for the preservation of their perks, privileges and power.

All the elements of that establishment — corporate, cultural, political, media — are today issuing an ultimatum to Middle America:

Trump is unacceptable.

Instructions are going out to Republican leaders that either they dump Trump, or they will cease to be seen as morally fit partners in power.

It testifies to the character of Republican elites that some are seeking ways to carry out these instructions, though this would mean invalidating and aborting the democratic process that produced Trump.

But what is a repudiated establishment doing issuing orders to anyone?

Why is it not Middle America issuing the demands, rather than the other way around?

Specifically, the Republican electorate should tell its discredited and rejected ruling class: If we cannot get rid of you at the ballot box, then tell us how, peacefully and democratically, we can be rid of you?

You want Trump out? How do we get you out?

The Czechs had their Prague Spring. The Tunisians and Egyptians their Arab Spring. When do we have our American Spring?

The Brits had their “Brexit,” and declared independence of an arrogant superstate in Brussels. How do we liberate ourselves from a Beltway superstate that is more powerful and resistant to democratic change?

Our CIA, NGOs and National Endowment for Democracy all beaver away for “regime change” in faraway lands whose rulers displease us.

How do we effect “regime change” here at home?

Donald Trump’s success, despite the near-universal hostility of the media, even much of the conservative media, was due in large part to the public’s response to the issues he raised.

He called for sending illegal immigrants back home, for securing America’s borders, for no amnesty. He called for an America First foreign policy to keep us out of wars that have done little but bleed and bankrupt us.

He called for an economic policy where the Americanism of the people replaces the globalism of the transnational elites and their K Street lobbyists and congressional water carriers.

He denounced NAFTA, and the trade deals and trade deficits with China, and called for rejection of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

By campaign’s end, he had won the argument on trade, as Hillary Clinton was agreeing on TPP and confessing to second thoughts on NAFTA.

But if TPP is revived at the insistence of the oligarchs of Wall Street, the Business Roundtable, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce — backed by conscript editorial writers for newspapers that rely on ad dollars — what do elections really mean anymore?

And if, as the polls show we might, we get Clinton — and TPP, and amnesty, and endless migrations of Third World peoples who consume more tax dollars than they generate, and who will soon swamp the Republicans’ coalition — what was 2016 all about?

Would this really be what a majority of Americans voted for in this most exciting of presidential races?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable,” said John F. Kennedy.

The 1960s and early 1970s were a time of social revolution in America, and President Nixon, by ending the draft and ending the Vietnam war, presided over what one columnist called the “cooling of America.”

But if Hillary Clinton takes power, and continues America on her present course, which a majority of Americans rejected in the primaries, there is going to a bad moon rising.

And the new protesters in the streets will not be overprivileged children from Ivy League campuses.


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Weedhpper
Weedhpper
August 12, 2016 7:36 am

Brilliant work. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Chris P
Chris P
August 12, 2016 7:42 am

I’ve never seen a sheep get mean and tear something up. We are a country that likes our stuff and we are not going to endanger our comfortable life style until food is unavailable. Until that day comes we will take more and more and more…

Constman54
Constman54
August 12, 2016 8:06 am

Chris P….yep

RCW
RCW
  Constman54
August 12, 2016 11:40 am

Chris P & Constman54:

Yep. Yep.

Suzanna
Suzanna
  RCW
August 12, 2016 3:56 pm

in fact some people get angry, “I already told you, I do not want to hear any truth”.
TV time is starting.

Anonymous
Anonymous
August 12, 2016 8:23 am

When we are told Trump is unacceptable as President, by the ruling establishment, what we are really being told is that we (Trump supporters) are unacceptable.

This is another irreconcilable division that has been created in our country, and one our Constitution was meant to keep from developing.

But we are not going away if Trump is kept out, we know how many our numbers are now and how to find each other instead of being made to feel like we are just a few isolated individuals here and there.

This may not end well, depending on what the rulers do and how they go about it.

mark
mark
August 12, 2016 8:37 am

Non complience is the answer.

How would the vitriolic left like it if everyone thought and acted like them?

Grab as much free stuff as possible and pay no taxes.

Use boycotts and buycotts. Dont patronize Mcdonalds who hire peple who vote against you. Buy at Chick fillet who unnerve your enemies.

Something tells me the progressives aint going to like their policies when a significant % of the people play by their own rules.

ragman
ragman
August 12, 2016 8:53 am

War with Russia is actually what they want. Under Hitlery they very likely will get that. I wonder what the elites will do when the girlies start coming home in body bags?

Rise Up
Rise Up
August 12, 2016 10:38 am

“The Czechs had their Prague Spring. The Tunisians and Egyptians their Arab Spring. When do we have our American Spring?”
—————–
The Czechs, Tunisians, and Egyptians were/are cohesive societies. America is not.

I’ve said this at least a half-dozen times here on TBP: that the USA is far to diluted by multi-culturism to unite behind a single cause sufficient enough to affect change that is so desperately needed. The guv has purposely allowed unfettered immigration and pimped “diversity” to the point where diversity has now turned to division.

This was all planned in order to put the boot on our necks and keep it there.

Sadly, there will never be an American Spring.

kramdrof
kramdrof
August 12, 2016 10:50 am

I personally believe the entire system is rigged and this whole thing was put on like some Hollywood production. Take off the partisan hat and look at the entire picture: Is this really the best we can do? Are these the Americans we put forth to represent our values to the world? Where is the integrity and honor?
I was a Cruz supporter, and I respect others support for Trump. I do not understand it entirely, but I respect it. Every American must have a threshold that their candidate has to rise to in order to earn their vote. As the system was designed, our vote is precious and be held dear. I refuse to vote for someone to vote against someone else… that is the game they have been playing with us for a generation. As long as we play it, they win. What if Trump is only a pawn as well? What if the progressives in our corrupt government have finally mastered the game and gotten us to vote for their candidate? The only thing that kept our Republic from this was the involvement of the people and the general intelligence that your vote was sacred and they would move heaven and earth to earn that vote. We (generally) are not involved anymore beyond wanting revenge or change. Most people do not know the information at the heart of these issues. Nobody reads the bills, nobody has read the TPP and tried to understand it, most people have not even researched how their Representatives vote on issues. they simply react to the news of the day, which is usually heavily slanted at best. Indiana was the best example. They voted Trump in the primary because they wanted conservative, which I understand. At the same booth, they voted OUT a known conservative that has stood strong in DC for their rights and replaced him with a progressive. Incredible. There is no other explanation other than ignorance of records or facts. Voting for the sake of change… We did that 8 years ago and you see how that is going… We must get back to doing our own homework and holding our reps. accountable based on facts, not emotions.
Want ot vote for Trump? Great! Want to vote for Hillary? Great! It is what our country was founded on. I would just like to see the emotion left out of it and everyone make them EARN our votes based on FACTS!

kokoda
kokoda
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 11:07 am

I don’t understand your liking for Cruz; his wife works for the Vampire Squid. This and this alone eliminates Cruz.

Talk about FACTS.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  kokoda
August 12, 2016 11:19 am

Well, I was voting for Cruz, not his wife. I understand what you are saying and I see where you might draw that conclusion, but based on what? I could not find any evidence in my research where he had voted in a particular way to support his wife’s employer. If there is evidence, I would like to see it and it could (probably WOULD) persuade me to change my support. I am only saying I could not find it.
What I did like about Cruz is the fact that he stood by what he said, which was mostly based on the Constitution. He went before the Supreme Court, fought and defeated HIS BOSS because what Bush was doing was un-constitutional.. Who does that? Who cuts their own career throat by taking their employer to he highest court in the land? Someone with high moral convictions based on the greatest document ever conceived by man, that’s who.
What you indicate is a loose connection through his spouse, not facts. Please present me with some if you intend to change my mind.
Respectfully,

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 11:24 am
kramdrof
kramdrof
  Iska Waran
August 12, 2016 11:29 am

You post an Washington Post OPINION PIECE to make your fact based point? Oh boy are we screwed….

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 11:32 am

Did you read it? It’s an epic slap-down of the “citizen from birth” argument made by Cruz.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  Iska Waran
August 12, 2016 11:38 am

I try to avoid opinion pieces, but I suspect that if I did read it and post a counter argument based on facts you would not be interested, or would you?

kramdrof
kramdrof
  Iska Waran
August 12, 2016 12:16 pm

I will give it a try anyway. Within the piece you posted is a link to a very good counter argument. I am not a constitutional lawyer, but I do know the document fairly well.
We have two documents that both make a very good case for their perspective, but at the end of both articles we are left with the question, ” What is the definition of Natural Born Citizen”? The constitution does not define it very well, but I find it interesting that McCain ran for president after being born in Panama, yet questioned Cruz’s eligibility due to being born in Canada… that’s rich! Anyway, I don’t consider either article to be a definitive slap-down of the other side, rather I see two very convincing articles defending their position without a clear answer. One thing is for sure, we have military members giving birth overseas all the time. Are their children ineligible to be president later? hmmm…

Suzanna
Suzanna
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 4:01 pm

Kram,
ya shouldn’t have brought up Cruz…he got very slimy, very fast…
He is a snakeman. Lie and say you forgot all about him please.

starfcker
starfcker
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 11:36 am
kramdrof
kramdrof
  starfcker
August 12, 2016 11:47 am

Star,
I am not sure I see your point. That article is about TPA as far as I can read it. (It requires me to sign in and I am not able to). I was referring to TPP. He has explained that he supported TPA until TPP began to appear to have “secret agreements” in it (which it does), so he voted “nay” on the second vote for TPA in the Senate. He held a non-stance on TPP until he could read the agreement. Once TPP was released he was against it. He has held these positions as far as I have heard.
Have I missed something?
I have watched the TPP debacle closely, but at over 6000 pages, I have not read through all of it. All Americans should oppose this monstrosity with power to over rule our Supreme Court.

starfcker
starfcker
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 11:57 am

Yes, you’re missing a little. TPA lowers the threshhold to pass TPP from 2/3rds of the senate (67 votes) to 51 votes. The constitution requires that high bar for a reason. TPA is an end run around the constitution. If TPP was so great, no need to weaken our protection under the constitution for it to pass. Cruz was able to vote against TPP because his vote wasn’t needed, having lowered the standard. Dirty stuff when our sovereignty is at stake.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  starfcker
August 12, 2016 12:45 pm

star, Thanks for pushing this along. I have learned a lot in the last couple of hours! Did you know that TPA has pretty much been in place since 1974? Not that it makes the case either way, but very interesting to me.
Anyway, most of what I can find centers around the fact that “fast-tracking” keeps congress from amending the bill or delaying the vote in committee. Thus giving the President better bargaining position. I will keep looking, but I do not see where it allows less to pass unless that was part of this legislation specifically. Here is a quote from Wiki which is one source I used: (I am still digging)

“If the President transmits a fast track trade agreement to Congress, then the majority leaders of the House and Senate or their designees must introduce the implementing bill submitted by the President on the first day on which their House is in session. (19 U.S.C. § 2191(c)(1).) Senators and Representatives may not amend the President’s bill, either in committee or in the Senate or House. (19 U.S.C. § 2191(d).) The committees to which the bill has been referred have 45 days after its introduction to report the bill, or be automatically discharged, and each House must vote within 15 days after the bill is reported or discharged. (19 U.S.C. § 2191(e)(1).)

In the likely case that the bill is a revenue bill (as tariffs are revenues), the bill must originate in the House (see U.S. Const., art I, sec. 7), and after the Senate received the House-passed bill, the Finance Committee would have another 15 days to report the bill or be discharged, and then the Senate would have another 15 days to pass the bill. (19 U.S.C. § 2191(e)(2).) On the House and Senate floors, each Body can debate the bill for no more than 20 hours, and thus Senators cannot filibuster the bill and it will pass with a simple majority vote. (19 U.S.C. § 2191(f)-(g).) Thus the entire Congressional consideration could take no longer than 90 days.”

kramdrof
kramdrof
  starfcker
August 12, 2016 1:14 pm

From what I know, TPP will not be voted on until 2017. TPA passed, but TPP is still gathering dust… and hopefully it will remain there forever.

GoneWest
GoneWest
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 2:29 pm

kramdof, a few posts up you wrote: “Anyway, most of what I can find centers around the fact that “fast-tracking” keeps congress from amending the bill or delaying the vote in committee. Thus giving the President better bargaining position. ” And, “He [Cruz] has explained that he supported TPA until TPP began to appear to have “secret agreements” in it (which it does), so he voted “nay” on the second vote for TPA in the Senate.”

The way I read the TPA is that the congress (house and Senate) ceded their power to control treaties and the purse to the President, thereby subverting the separation of powers defined in the Constitution. As per your argument, Cruz was initially for the TPA until he read the TPP. This leads me to believe that given the right set of conditions, Cruz is willing to work around the checks and balances in our system of government to give the people a voice and keep the Executive branch in check.

Cruz appears to me to be just another politician like all the others.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  GoneWest
August 12, 2016 3:32 pm

Gone,
I agree, he IS a politician. They all are.
I can definitely see your point. I think both chambers have ceded WAY too much power to the Executive branch. I am not sure how we get back to proper Government from here.
I actually worded that incorrectly… According to Cruz, he balked at the amendments to TPA, not TPP. (There is a lot of controversy around this as well) TPP had not been released yet.
You bring up a valid point in that he would be willing to cede everything up to the actual vote if the bill were in it’s original state, which is problematic from a constitutional perspective. I do have problems with that, but I cannot find anyone I agree with 100%. This seems to be manageable, especially since it has been in place since 1974. Have there been other agreements reached since then as bad as NAFTA? (I honestly have not dug that deep).

RCW
RCW
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 11:46 am

How did Cruz vote on the TARP(s)? That would answer the question to my simple mind.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  RCW
August 12, 2016 11:56 am

Cruz was elected to the Senate in 2012…TARP was before his time.

RCW
RCW
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 12:04 pm

Thank you for taking my query seriously and please forgive my ignorance. NRN

kramdrof
kramdrof
  RCW
August 12, 2016 12:21 pm

Of course. Without mutual respect we cannot get out of this political game we are in, and I appreciate the honesty of the question.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  kokoda
August 12, 2016 11:27 am

Oh, and thanks for making my case for me. Your reply was 100% emotional reaction, yet you end with “Talk about FACTS”… It is non-nonsensical until you interject an actual fact or two. You are better than that.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 11:20 am

Cruz was/is the weirdest, creepiest fucker ever to enter politics. And that’s saying something. [imgcomment image[/img]

kramdrof
kramdrof
  Iska Waran
August 12, 2016 11:36 am

Very funny, but very inaccurate as well. Do some research on Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and LBJ… now those 3 are the definition of CREEPY, but I guess it depends on your perspective.

Tom
Tom
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 2:21 pm

With regard to no one reading the bills, this may help out a lot! http://beta.deseretnews.com/article/865645896/Rep-Mia-Love-wants-to-limit-congressional-bills-to-one-subject-at-a-time.html?pg=all

This would be a win for the American people. We would not have to see huge legislation passed without it having been read by Congress and the American people. Bills would no longer be hundreds or thousands of pages long.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  Tom
August 12, 2016 3:34 pm

AMEN, MIA!!!

Rise Up
Rise Up
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 2:23 pm

kramdrof says: “What I did like about Cruz is the fact that he stood by what he said…”
————–

Bullshit!

Cruz didn’t honor his pledge to support the Republican nominee. That is enough reason for me to push him aside.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  Rise Up
August 12, 2016 3:52 pm

Rise up,
I am not going to defend EVERYTHING Cruz has ever done, just as I am sure you cannot defend everything Trump has done. The is no way to find a candidate you are 100% in agreement with.
With that being said, I will side with Cruz’s statement that once Trump went after family, the gloves were off and he could not support that.
I do not think I would be able to support it either. same with all of the schoolyard name calling, etc.
Had the family not been drug into the fight, I would be making your argument, but I cannot fault anyone for sticking up for their family. Husbands, Wives, kids, parents… should be off limits unless directly related to the campaign.

Rise Up
Rise Up
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 7:49 pm

Politics is a dirty business. Everyone involved is fair game. Get over it.

Look how the press has treated Melania Trump.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  kramdrof
August 13, 2016 3:20 am

Cruz started it with Trump’s wide during the Utah primary. He claims that it was supporters of his – not his actual campaign – that bought and published previously unknown pics of Trump’s wife. If you believe that, then I guess you also believed that his dirty trick tweet against Carson in Iowa was an honest mix-up. Lyin’ Ted!

Homer
Homer
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 3:05 pm

kramdrof–Votes are sacred you say? Well if that is so, I propose the following:

Voting being a requisite for a Republic or Democracy to function for the benefit of the unwashed many, I say any tampering with the vote or ballot boxes or impeding the ability to vote where there is a legal right to vote should be punishable by not less than 50 yrs in prison upon conviction.

Interfering with voting or tampering with the voting results are a very serious offense and in a society that wishes itself to be free, inimical to a free state. This is not harsh, but just punishment for a crime that can severely affects 330 million people.

Stealing a dollar from a person may not be a serious crime as the damage is so minimal to that person, but stealing a dollar from 200 million people vastly compounds the severity of the offense even tho to each person it is a trivial matter. Considering the whole it is deserving of much more severe punishment.

It’s the same with tampering with the voting process. Keep that in mind.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  Homer
August 12, 2016 3:39 pm

Homer,
You have my full support! The problem is that we now use electronic voting machines in many places… computers are programmable and they can tell you anything. We need to maintain that a human counts the ballots verified by a human of the opposite party.
Any cheating should be dealt with as you explained. No argument from me!

And yes, my vote is sacred. If you want it, you will have to earn it. I will not simply give it to someone to ensure the other side loses. Doesn’t it make sense how easy it would be to manipulate that line of thinking? They know how to play us as long as we stay in the “emotional argument”. Study progressivism… they have been putting this in place for a very long time.

Homer
Homer
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 5:33 pm

Yes! For a very long long time. I have entertained the thought that it must be demonic to have survived unabated for generations, incrementally advancing year after year without tiring.

I have come to the conclusion that governments are a living organism that eventually devours everything and lays wasted to everything. I see government as the repository of evil that perpetuates over generations. I often wonder if governments are redeemable, certainly not without the redemption of the people that pay homage to it. Reminds me of the ‘golden calf’ of Moses’ times. Most who work for government are captured by it as are those that drink from the teats of the ‘golden calf’.

As Samuel of old said to the Israelites who clamored for a king (government) like the countries around them. “God has not wished that you have a king (government), but if you so choose, then you will have the kind of king (government) you deserve. If you are a good people, you will have a good king (government), but if you are a bad people, you will have a bad king (government).” The Israelites had some of the best kings and some of the worse kings.

What kind of king do we in America have? You will know them (their character), not by their words, but by their actions.

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
August 12, 2016 11:18 am

If Hillary wins it will collapse, quickly; society cannot support and afford Hillary in the Presidency. If Donald wins it will probably collapse slowly; affording time for some last-minute preparations and efforts to mitigate the effects, with a slight possibility to avoid it somehow (Donald would have to declare default on certain obligations rather than all of them as Hillary would cause; we would have to decide on certain priorities that Hillary would not choose). But the overwhelming likelihood is that it will collapse, one way or another. The current choice is how hard and how fast it will collapse, and who is likely to be left standing when it does.

Homer
Homer
  jamesthewanderer
August 12, 2016 3:19 pm

I like negotiations rather than settling things with guns. It is quite possible that in a HiLlARy presidency, we could find ourselves up to our ass in Russian Nukes. That would put a dent in your day!

Trump the ‘great negotiator’ or HiLlARy, We came, we saw, he’s dead! Hahahahahahahaha! Have I got that right?

Paul Craig Roberts thinks HiLlARy is a short cut to world war three. Just in case there is a 3rd world war, I’m stocking up on sticks in preparation for the 4th world war. Do you think that’s a good move?

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
August 12, 2016 11:46 am

I’m with Iska Warren, Cruz is creepy as hell and how people here could support the crook and his bankster wife is beyond me.

Ticky Toc
Ticky Toc
August 12, 2016 12:07 pm

“America on her present course, which a majority of Americans rejected in the primaries, there is going to a bad moon rising.

And the new protesters in the streets will not be overprivileged children from Ivy League campuses”.

I hope that Americans have the will and courage to take to the streets if things don’t change and change for the better for ordinary / everyday people. The message should be clear to TPTB however the lesson I’m afraid they are learning is how to consolidate more power and wealth to keep any further unrest or signs of disapproval in check. If it goes to the streets they are going to lose and it will be a fire that will burn long and hot. There are many scores to be settled.

The cynic in me and the observer of American laziness and apathy tells me nothing is going to happen. No one is going to the streets, TPTB will continue the largest theft known to mankind, the experiment in democracy and individual freedom will continue to be a distant memory snuffed out for the privileged few. In short it doesn’t matter because it is rigged and we are a nation of cowards and this is what happens to cowards.

the tumbleweed
the tumbleweed
August 12, 2016 12:09 pm

“What I did like about Cruz is the fact that he stood by what he said, which was mostly based on the Constitution.”

The Constitution is a failed document. It’s nothing but feel good porn for moderately educated middle America. Pleading with the might makes right crowd that runs our lives to “please follow the rules” smacks of lunacy. Time to grow up.

The whole “Constitution is the greatest document ever cuz I sayz so” argument is very infantile as well. Most of its proponents, including the bumbling Ron Paul simply want to sell you newsletters, identity theft products, MREs, gold, and silver. They never talk about the illegal usurping of the Articles of Confederation by the Constitution which was nothing but a power grab by the Federalists, which gutted sovereignty of the original states. They never talk about the failure of the Constitution in 1860 which resulted in the death of 600,000 Americans or 4% of the male population. Spare me. Read the writings of the Anti-Federalists, who opposed the Constitution. They described it as “the fetus of monarchy.” Time has proven them correct.

As for Cruz, he came along at the time the Tea Party was gaining steam, which is why he latched onto the Con-stitution like a vampire squid. As proven by his major league asshole speech at Trump’s convention, Cruz is a grade-A narcissist who only cares about — Ted Cruz. Believe me, if Cruz could get elected by donning a Flava Flav Viking helmet and breakdancing, he would. The Constitution means shit to Cruz.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  the tumbleweed
August 12, 2016 12:56 pm

It’s unfortunate that you write with such closed minded conviction. It appears that you have grasped one half of the equation and assumed it to be entirely correct without any study of the opposite argument. I have read both the Federalist and the anti-federalist papers. Only with open minded consumption can you see the genius behind the Constitution.
Unfortunately you have closed your mind to any other possibility than your own conclusions, therefore you are mentally stagnated in your current thought process.
Why not leave the conversation to the adults and you run along and play.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  kramdrof
August 13, 2016 3:24 am

We’re rubber, you’re glue. Everything you say bounces off us and sticks on you.

Homer
Homer
  the tumbleweed
August 12, 2016 4:25 pm

tumbleweed
As I have said so many time before that the Constitution is just a piece of paper written so far back in time that most have a struggle to remember who signed it. That’s a fact, Jack and you can take that to the bank. So, tumbleweed, what good is it and how relevant is it today?–I suspect, tumbleweed, your answer would be “not much”.

I will tell you how I feel about it. The paper is after all just a piece of paper, like “War and Peace”, “The Bible”, “To Kill A Mockingbird”, and all our literary works are just a compilation of paper. A pile of paper, if you will. What make that pile of paper significant over just any pile of paper is the ideas that are contained in their written words. The value of a book is not in the material product but in the immaterial ideas that it contains. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are just paper, but the ideals they contain are revolutionary and were revolutionary at the time they were written.

Whether the Hand of God moved to inspire the finished product, I don’t know. I do believe that it was quite possible because it put on paper for the first time in history, Ideals that had their origins in the Spirit of man.

The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution is much more than pieces of paper. They were the receptacle, the chalice, that holds our sacred Ideals that led to the founding of America.

America isn’t the borders, the cities, the tanks or planes, or even the President or Congress. America is the Ideals held in the heart and minds of the people who claim to be Americans. Ideals we inherited from our Fore Fathers created at a time just like the times we are going thru now, full of strife, dissension, and division. America is at a cross roads. A cross roads as serious as the breaking away from England, perhaps, even more important than that. To survive this crisis of spirit, we must unite behind a common goal. We all can have different ideas, never the less, we can hold the same Ideal. We can make that Ideal our common goal–the Ideals embedded in the Declaration of Independence and Our Constitution. We must do this and we must strive to express those Ideals in our lives. If we fail in our duty the world will lose a great light, a great beacon for mankind.

That’s why, tumbleweed, the written Constitution is important! It’s a reminder. It points to the best in mankind, a worthy goal to strive for.

P.S. An after thought–We should only allow immigration of those peoples that believe in our Ideals, that desire those Ideals and live those Ideals.

Grog
Grog
  Homer
August 13, 2016 6:42 am

” It’s sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see, and so there is iron in your words of life.

No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men.”

Ten Bears
The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
  the tumbleweed
August 12, 2016 9:10 pm

The constitution is dead and has been for some time. What is constitutional is what the SCoTUS says it is. John Roberts can torture language until it says whatever PTB want. The Republic is dead.

Homer
Homer
  Overthecliff
August 12, 2016 10:31 pm

Overthecliff–I feel the same way concerning the Constitution as Mark Twain upon seeing his obituary.

“The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.”–Mark Twain

So, Overthecliff, considering everything, when ya movin’ to Costa Rica?

Unpatriotic
Unpatriotic
August 12, 2016 3:00 pm

When it comes to the Establishment, show me their friends and I will show you our future:

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Mark
Mark
August 12, 2016 3:45 pm

Our vote is precious and held dear.

This is the type of language Kramdorf uses. I could care less if you agreed with everything I do. I don’t like you as a person. And would never have a beer with you.

Your a fucking creep.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  Mark
August 12, 2016 3:56 pm

You don’t even know me. But don’t worry… I would never extend the invite.
Your inability to comprehend the conversation would leave you lonely anyway.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
  kramdrof
August 12, 2016 5:43 pm

Aren’t you really MDB from ZeroHedge? I smell a resemblance in your writing style.
P.S. Cruz is a vampire.

Mark
Mark
August 12, 2016 4:05 pm

Your a creep. Nobody likes you. Your not a real person living in the real world.

And it has nothing to do with what ever you believe.

kramdrof
kramdrof
  Mark
August 12, 2016 4:40 pm

“Your a creep. Nobody likes you” ? Really? Are you 12? This isn’t facebook.

1) All you know about me is that I supported Cruz, therefore your last sentence makes you intellectually dishonest.
2) You couldn’t handle my real world.

Suzanna
Suzanna
August 12, 2016 4:10 pm

this post turned into a weird nightmare…and it keeps getting worse!!!

Cruz…? All this TTP and TTA shite…everyone knows those are programs
geared against the American people. Trump is doing one thing for us, he
is lowering our tolerance for fairy-men BS.

Mark
Mark
August 12, 2016 4:34 pm

“Weird nightmare”

You should get together with Kramdorf. I really have to get out here.

starfcker
starfcker
  Mark
August 12, 2016 4:59 pm

Don’t bail, Mark. Kramdorf did fine. He came in with some bad premises, made a bunch of statements, asked a bunch of questions, got some different points of view, isn’t that best case?

Ed
Ed
  starfcker
August 12, 2016 8:36 pm

Star, it looked like kramdorf was fixin to grab your weiner. You better be careful around those Cruz guys. You never know what kinda shit they’ll try.

RCW
RCW
August 12, 2016 4:43 pm

Distract, divide…conquer. Works almost all the time. 🙁

Hershel Pasternak
Hershel Pasternak
August 12, 2016 9:00 pm

(10 seconds)

Ted Cruz has a face not even a mother could love, his shnoz makes Barry Manilow and Barbara Streisand look like asians.

VietVet
VietVet
August 12, 2016 11:15 pm

This mess will not be resolved through the ballot box.

Go long ammo, boiled rope, tar and feathers.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
August 13, 2016 1:05 am

Well done , we sadly must accept our DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF INDEPENDENT STATES is in deep shit drowning on the excriment we expelled on ourselves . We are bombarded by politicians , media mouth pieces and sadly even teachers “DEMOCRACY” preserve it for heaven sake you Harvard grads cannot even correctly promote our form of government that has been pillaged and plundered from within to benefit a small miniority of connected well to do’s . Face it the fix is on for Hillary and she will lie cheat steal and send us into a war that we will lose and then what . Americans better wake up to the fact that this olhagarchiy in control is sending us to hell in a hand basket and Hillary Clinton is not suited for the job especially now . As for Trump , at least he seems to want to play let’s make a deal rather than a war . All you who think TEAM AMERICA FUCK YA better pull your head out of those collective flag waving war drum beating and remember , this time it could easily be on your street not some far away place some dip shit with a lip ring couldn’t find on a map ! And should real combat situations hit our homeland prepare yourselves because the 911 twin towers attack will look like a Chruch Picnic . All you arm chair warriors send your kids and you go with them !

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
August 13, 2016 9:12 am

People will not become active until their lights go out , then it’s to late . The federal government should be the group begging the citizenry for help not the reverse . The only way to cut our government down to a manageable size is to cut the money supply . If every citizen had to write a check monthly to fund government and held the power to say no , if only ! I have written before about the federal employee that pulls down a comfy $6 figure salary at one of the alphabet soup agencies that probably should not exist . Nice guy , educated but unable to see what a parasite he and all around him in Washington DC actually are . He explained his office comes up with figures for the elected officials to publisize as facts about economy etc… He explained “ITS ALL BULL SHIT , NONE OF ITS TRUE !” Still wonder why Hillary Clinton will be president , Together she gonna get me a cell phone She gonna pay my rent , She gonna get me my Independence Card so nobody knows I can be a parasite on real working people right under their noses . Right up till the lights go out !