Nassim Taleb Rages At The Bullshit Statistics Of War In Syria

Authored by Nassim Ncholas Taleb, originally posted at Medium.com,

When Pasquale Cirillo and I examined the historical accounts of wars for our statistical analysis of violence, we discovered huge holes –people take numbers for gospel, yet many accounts were fabrications. Many historians, political “scientists”, and others for fall for them, then get to write books. For instance we saw that the scientific entertainer Steven Pinker based his analysis of the severity of the An Lushan rebellion on a shoddy overestimation –the real numbers of casualties could to be lower by an order of magnitude. Much of Pinker’s thesis of drop in violence depends on the past being more violent; it thus gets further discredited (the thesis is shaky anyway as Pinker’s general assertions conflict with the statistical data he provides). Peter Frankopan, in his magesterial The Silk Roads, seem to get the point: estimations of casualties from the Mongol invasions were inflated as their accounts exaggerated the devastation they caused in order to intimidate opponents (war is not so much about killing as it is about bringing submission). Our main (technical) paper is here.

But it is not just the bullshitting of Steven Pinker: numbers for many wars seem to have been pulled out of a hat. Some journalist cites some person at a conference; it finds it way to Le Monde or the New York Times, and that number becomes fixed for future generations. For our attempt to build a rigorous method of quantitative historiography, we devised statistical robustness techniques: they consist in bootstraping “histories” from the past, considering the past a realization between the lowest and the highest estimate available, producing tens of thousands of such “historical paths” and evaluate how “robust” an estimator to changes in the aggregate. More depressingly, we found that no historian had bothered to do similar cleaning up work or robustness check –yet the statistical apparatus is there to help.

It hit me that I needed to look into the estimates of Syrian refugees in Lebanon –here again numbers are flying without much rigor, swelling upwards from report to report. But we can assess the bias: they are potentially overstimated. For, at a certain municipality in Lebanon, I was told that the number of refugees in the town, while large, was considerably lower than what was used by the bureaucrats of the U.N. The real number is about a third of what is published. While this is very optimistic for Lebanon (there should be fewer refugees than claimed, so let us worry less about the stability of the place), it is not good for the economics and funding of U.N. agencies and the lifestyle of their bureaucrats.

Now, the real number of casualties in the Syrian war. We hear half a million people died in Syria. We are also told that many are “murdered” by Putin, Assad, and Catherine the Great (who came down to bully the Ottomans in the Levant after her invasion of the Crimea). It is easy to verify that much of the information we get about “butcher” of Damascus are suspicious: some Saudi-Qatari funded P.R. firms in Washington and London have shown evidence of hyperactivity. Just as the number of hospitals in East Aleppo where Al-Qaeda is based (and from where it shells civilians in other parts of the city), just as the number of hospitals per capita there appears to me several times that in the rest of the world (every day we hear that the Russians have destroyed another hospital, yet the State department spokesman John Kirby could not place or name any of the five hospitals he was recently discussing). I see propagandists and Al Qaeda apologists such as Charles Lister (at the Salafi-funded Middle East Institute) throw numbers that get cited –yes, some idiot will cite numbers from the Al Qaeda propagandist Charles Lister, and may eventually be cited in turn by some decent newspaper, hence get fixed for posterity. I once saw a serious American journalist and former friend tweeting a macabre picture as a testimony of Assad’s murders: it turned out that the picture of “dying children victims of Assad” was from Libya four years earlier, and appears to be promoted by a Qatari-funded P.R. firm. Her reaction was unapologetic: “Don’t you think Assad is capable of these crimes?”

Trust none of what you hear, some of what you read, half of what you see goes an old trader adage. As a trader and quant/mathematical statistician, I have been taught to take data seriously, trust nobody’s numbers, and avoid people naive enough to engage in policy based on lurid but questionable pictures of destruction: the fake picture of a dying child is something nobody can question without appearing to be an asshole. As a citizen, I require that the designation “murderer” be determined in a court of law, not by Saudi-funded outlets?—?once someone is called a murderer or butcher, all bets are off. I cannot believe governments and bureaucrats could be so stupid. But they are.

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Cartersville Critter
Cartersville Critter
November 23, 2016 1:22 pm

Sorry Nassim but you don’t have to be a master mathematical statistician to know government bureaucrats are stupid, deceitful, lying bastards. Some of us have known it intuitively for years, 53 and a day in my case.

But thanks for the conformation.

Gerold
Gerold
November 23, 2016 2:15 pm

“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
– Variously attributed to Mark Twain and Benjamin Disraeli

unit472
unit472
November 23, 2016 2:29 pm

I’ve wondered about this. For over a year the death toll in the Syrian Civil War was stuck at 250,000 before news stories decided it must be 450,000 or 500,000 but no source was ever given for the numbers. This in a nation of 25 million of whom 5 million have fled abroad. Or consider the Iran/Iraq war where deaths are commonly said to have exceeded 1 million. Both are possible if you had WW1 style combat but there should be real evidence of that.

Iraq in the 1980’s was a nation of about 20 million with a very young age distribution. Let’s say half the population under the age of 18. That would leave about 10 million adult Iraqis half of whom would be men or 5 million. Let’s say 25% of the 5 million adult men were 40 or over and thus too old to be prime soldier material. That would mean Iraq had about 3.75 million men of military age. Call it 4 million to account for the length of the war. To have 500,000 battlefield deaths ( half of the total) one of every eight adult military age Iraqis would have had to have died. Possible but that is WW1 style carnage. Worse still, even allowing for lower standards of medical care for Iraqi soldiers there would be at least that many severely wounded so we are at 1 out of 4 Iraqi men killed or crippled in the Iran/Iraq war.

When Desert Storm came around we were told Saddam had a million man army just two years after the end of the Iran/Iraq war. This would mean Saddam had close to one out of every three able bodied adult men under arms. That would only leave about 2 million men between 18 and 40 in a Muslim nation where women did not work to do the work young men do in every society and 3/4 were Shia who, as we now know, did not support Saddam’s Sunni regime. Like I said, just back of the envelope arithmetic makes the casualty numbers practically impossible.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
November 23, 2016 2:41 pm

I don’t know much about this Charles Lister of whom Taleb writes. I assume he’s a Jew. I’ll wait for BB to confirm and comment appropriately, after which I’ll give him a thumbs up. I did look at Lister’s latest scrawlings https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-free-syrian-army-a-decentralized-insurgent-brand/ and they certainly are a bunch of bullshit. The “Free Syrian Army” barely exists outside of a couple of guys who call up McCain and Graham to ask for money. There are two possible outcomes for Syria: the Assad Alawite government retains power (in which case those remaining Christians, Alawi, Druze & Shia may be able to survive) or Sunni jihadis will take over (call them ISIS or Al Qaeda or whatever) – in which case their genocide against non-Sunnis will continue. The Russia-Assad-Shia alliance needs to hurry up and win. Trump should end all US involvement in Syria.

Alter Boyz
Alter Boyz
November 23, 2016 2:47 pm

So now the genius is back to croaking his tired shit like a raven sitting on the transom squacking loudly.

Fuck You Taleb. Take your tired broken down shoes for a walk, dick.

Nevermore.

TJF
TJF
November 23, 2016 5:01 pm

If only we could get the googles or the facebooks to filter out the fake news then these exagerrated reports would not make it into the news in the first place. [/sarcasm]

Jason Calley
Jason Calley
November 23, 2016 5:15 pm

Casualty figures are always manipulated, sometimes higher, sometimes lower, always depending on the propaganda value of the figures. You had a bunch of your soldiers killed but don’t want to alarm the folks back home? Lower the numbers down. Had some civilians killed (maybe even by your own side) and want the enemy to appear more brutal? Crank the numbers up! Any number can be adjusted, any number at all… except one. Six million. That number is special and must never be changed, never even investigated.

Walt
Walt
November 23, 2016 6:17 pm

Oh Vey! But muh 6 trillion!!

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
November 23, 2016 10:46 pm

The government lies?