The FUNDAMENTAL Problem, ECONOMY-WIDE

Guest Post by Karl Denninger


This is a post that I predict will get few reads and fewer shares.

It’s also mathematically provable and, if we don’t cut it out, it will destroy our nation and economy even if we fix all the other problems.

Simply put, it’s this:

As soon as you find a way to collude such that financialization becomes an essential piece of any part of the economy that part of the economy stops serving the end consumer of said good or service and instead serves the financiers.

Consider good or service “X”.  The producer has to compute a price to sell at.  His computation is comprised of the expense to produce the good or service plus a profit.

Given no constraints the seller would like an infinite profit.

Two things constrain his profit: 1) The ability for the consumer to refuse to buy at all and 2) competition.

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Unfortunately there are products and services that people cannot successfully refuse to purchase.  Some of those (like water) you must acquire all the time in order to remain alive; if you cannot do so via either a clean natural source or clean the source you have there is no other option but to purchase it from someone who can.  Others, such as medical care, are items you can sometimes refuse to buy but at other times you cannot refuse such as when you’re unconscious due to either a medical emergency or accident.  Medical care has a further circumstance that arises in that in many chronic condition circumstances while you can refuse the price of doing is literal death; in those cases you are effectively forced to purchase.

Now let’s enter the world of drug prices — which by definition only exist because there is a belief (which may or may not be true) that consuming them in a given case will benefit you.  This is what drug executives currently say:

“We think we should always be value-based,” Celgene Inc. Chairman Robert Hugin said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. “If the drug doesn’t provide value to the system and to the patient, we shouldn’t have price increases, or the price will change.”

Note what’s missing there: Any discussion of the actual cost of producing the drug.

In other words: We will sell it for whatever we think the value is to you.

That never, ever works in a competitive market and nobody says that in a competitive market.  Why?  Because it’s an instant prescription for bankrupcy.

Yet in the drug business the model is “how much is an extra year of life worth for a cancer sufferer”?  They “figure this out” and that’s the price.  Ditto for the claim that the pricing for Sovaldi, which cures Hepatitis C.  The question isn’t “how much did this cost, plus a reasonable profit“, it’s how much money would the victim blow if they don’t take the drug up to and including their death from liver failure or liver cancer, and we’re then free to set the price at any amount up to that number minus a dollar.

Now contemplate that “how much is a year of life worth?” has several possible definitions.  For many people it’s “an infinite amount of money.”  However, there are few people with infinite — or effectively so — funds and the higher the price the fewer people there are that have that amount of money.

In other words minus financialization and cost-shifting even the sort of crap statement that Celgene’s Chairman made can’t work for him because he’s constrained by how much money consumers actually have.

This all changes, however, if the consumer can force someone else to pay; now the limit is whatever funds the forced party has.  If that forced party is “society” via a transfer mechanism then there is no limit.

Every company executive would love to price this way but nobody can in a competitive market because (1) there is no ability to force someone else to pay and (2) a second supplier, if you set your price high enough to make it worth their while, will choose to undersell you and they will get all the business while your sales will be zero and finally (3) if there is no other supplier and no other alternative virtually no individual consumers have effectively-infinite amounts of money.

So how do you get the above “infinite pricing capacity” model in the real world?

You break the law and/or you get the government to force others to pay.

You restrain competition.

You conspire with others, particularly financiers — that is, lenders and insurance companies so you can extract all but one dollar of the value gained from using your product or service for yourself.

And, ultimately, you get government to force “society” to pay if the consumer cannot.

Want to know why college is so expensive?

This is the reason.

It did not get more expensive to teach Calculus, Fine Arts, Engineering or Computer Programming over the last 10, 20, 30, 50 years.  In fact in many cases, such as computer programming, it got much cheaper!  You no longer need a multi-million dollar mainframe, or the facility and staff to run it, to teach programming — a perfectly serviceable computer to teach people to program on can be had for a literal $35 and it plugs into any modern television set for a display!

What happened was that colleges conspired with government and lenders to (1) make “free money” available and then (2) conspired with businesses and governments to “require” degrees.  When this model was threatened by people borrowing funds and then going bankrupt (discharging the loans and thus threatening to destroy the willingness of people to fund them) they then went even further and lobbied government to make discharging that debt in bankruptcy nearly impossible and guaranteed the debt federally, making society as a whole pay.

Note that in a capitalist system lending someone money that is unsound — that is, which does not result in repayment with the accrued interest from their economic surplus has a natural check and balance built into it because the person who you loaned the money to can go bankrupt and discharge the loan.  This cuts off the flow of funds for unworthy borrowers or unworthy projects quite quickly and had that change not been made to bankruptcy law the spiraling cost of college would have been capped off two decades ago.

But what’s worse is that to prevent someone from deciding to undercut these schools and drive them out of business the colleges also conspired with “accreditation” bodies so you had to go to a school that followed this model in order to be able to have a credential anyone would accept, making it impossible for competition to force them to cut that crap out.

This in turn has allowed the schools to figure out the alleged “value” of their degree and take all but a dollar of it for the average student and effectively force nearly everyone to finance that cost.  Note that for those better than the average student there has to be remaining value in said degree (but much less than there was before this crap started) but for those under the average, and by simple arithmetic half of all students will be, they can (and do!) actually get negative net value without the system collapsing!

In other words a huge percentage of students get sold something that has no net value to them.  Those people get swindled, pure and simple.

But what’s worse is that all of that cost escalation was effectively stolen because in a competitive marketplace no college would be able to maintain such a pricing model — they’d be undercut by 75% and thus the colleges that tried to price like this would have zero students.  It is only because they all get together and got government to shove it up your ass that that model exists.

This scam allowed the colleges to add three times as many administrators who teach nothing as they did professors, to build huge sports stadiums that are subsidized by the rest of the school, to put up edifices to themselves and enrich everyone from textbook publishers on up except the student and their family, leaving huge numbers of young adults destitute and many parents with a destroyed retirement when their child turns out to fall below the “average” line in their educational outcome and thus winds up with a negative net value for what he or she purchased.

Of course no parent will ever admit that their child is “below the average line” in public. This makes the swindle easy and yet by definition and simple statistical fact half the kids are “below the average line”!

I remind you that up to half of all students can find themselves in this situation and not have the system collapse — and many, many students and their families do in fact get rooked in exactly this way. In many cases entire majors have huge percentages of graduates that receive negative net value.

In medicine it’s even worse.  Not only does this pricing model occur with drugs, enabling such outrageous practices as charging $80,000 for a course of treatment that you can get for $80 in Egypta mark-up of one thousand times (that’s 100,000%!) it happens all the way back to the training of physicians in the first place.

Want to be a Dentist or Doctor?  The cost is several hundred thousand dollars.

Why?

Was it several hundred thousand dollars in the 1950s or 60s?

No, it was not.  It was a few tens of thousands of dollars.

Why is more than ten times as expensive now?

Because the AMA, colleges and medical boards, along with hospitals, put in place a system that severely restricts supply and have turned on the “free money spigot” via loans for anyone who desires so if you want to be a doctor in America the only way to do it is to take on $500,000 in debt which they are happy to loan you but you cannot discharge it in bankruptcy if you happen to fall below the net value line in result.

In short they have taken most of the value that is generated by producing a physician and stolen it for themselves.

This then produces an entire generation of physicians that claim they’re entitled to make $200,000 a year because they have to pay that debt off.

In other words these physicians argue they’re entitled to make a given salary because their school and affiliated firms stole a huge percentage of the value in their education from them, with their consent, and thus they claim to be entitled to steal from you.

Again, this model cannot exist in a competitive marketplace because someone will decide to open a new medical school that doesn’t cost $400,000 and doesn’t constrain supply — and the others will all go out of business in an afternoon.

That hasn’t happened because the government colluded with private industry, from hospitals to insurers to medical associations to licensing boards to bankers to shove a gun up everyone’s nose and prohibit that competitive offering from existing — and any doctors it graduated from being able to actually practice medicine anywhere in the country.

Why was Obamacare passed?

Because the medical and health insurance industry was on the verge of collapsing on their own.  The amount of leverage (debt) they had taken on was too high and couldn’t be paid off.  The “new therapies” that were being developed could not be priced at $80,000 for a course of treatment because almost nobody has that much money and thus there was no way to sell said treatment for that amount.

Who remembers Provenge?  A treatment for prostate cancer that was hideously expensive yet did not cure the disease.  Yes, it extended life — by, on average, 4.1 months.  It was also hideously expensive, costing about $93,000 for the full treatment — or roughly $20,000/month of additional life expectancy!  The entire industry was and is full of these “therapies” but Dendreon, despite having a working “therapy” (in that it extended life) also had a pricing model and debt load that simply could not work without government force.

Obamacare was not about helping you — ever.

It was about bailing out excessive leverage in the medical system and outrageous acts of extortion exactly as TARP and the other “programs” were about doing the same thing in the banks.  It did so at a cost of ten trillion dollars in new federal debt or more than $30,000 for each man, woman and child in the country, a bill you were handed and which you are now expected to pay.  What’s worse is that exactly zero of the escalating “expectations” in that sector have gone away or decreased in any fashion (you can hear this every single day on CNBS) which means that Trump and Congress are now going to try to double your indebtedness again over the next two Presidential terms and again that money will be going to the educational and medical lobbyists while it is both stolen from you and destroys everyone who is under the “average” mark in their fields.  Not only that these same expectations are all over the federal Medicare and Medicaid systems which is why, in just five years time, they threaten to destroy both federal and state budgets and yet exactly ZERO is being proposed to put a stop to it.

Trump’s claim that he’s going to “Make America Great Again” is a lie because until and unless both the educational and medical monopolists and scams are permanently ended in full the cost escalations that those two parts of the economy force on everyone else makes any hope of being able to fund the government, say much less hit the growth targets he has, mathematically impossible.

These are facts folks and yet half the country sucked off Obama while the other half now sucks off Trump.  Nobody will deal with the fundamental fact that the DOW being at 20,000 means exactly nothing except that the executives of those firms have managed to steal ten trillion dollars over the last eight years and expect to steal 10 more trillion over the next eight, which is why the market has been and continues to go up.

You may think you’re “doing ok” because your 401k is rising but it cannot, and will not, outrun the screwing you will take at these people’s hands.  You are being sold a false narrative, a false God and a false promise.  You will have the entirety of that “gain” stolen from you plus more — that is a certainty and again is predicted on arithmetic, not politics.

These issues can only be addressed by (1) enforcing the law and (2) stopping the use of risk free leverage and force imposed on you that is obtained through bankruptcy exemptions, mandates, collusion, violations of 15 USC and other similar tactics.  All of these are supposed to be illegal under existing law — laws that were passed after the last time this was done in America in the late 1800s — the people doing it then were called “Robber Barons” and their games ultimately led to the Sherman, Clayton and Robinson-Patman acts being passed into law.

The entities who have committed these sins and built levered “empires” on the back of same must by definition go bankrupt and disappear, and if they do then the market will crash back to rational levels when such leverage is removed and those firms are zeros.

If this is not done the stock market may continue to go up but it will not matter to you because your costs in these essential areas, which these firms and executives conspire with government to make essential, force you to buy and force you to pay for even if you do not use them will outstrip any gains you can earn in said “market.”

Exponential growth on an infinite time horizon is impossible in all cases and the longer you keep pretending you can do it the worse the impact is that you must suffer when you finally stop.  Your option is to either stop voluntarily and accept the impact or you will be forced to stop involuntarily and the impact will be far worse.

That’s arithmetic, not politics and the reason I’m done beating the drum on this point is that I’ve spent the last decade on explaining it quite-clearly relying only on arithmetic and yet you simply will not get off your knees before either a Democrat or Republican, depending on which half of the political divide you wish to fall — and irrespective of who is in power you will not refuse to consent daily to what is mathematically proved: The certain destruction of your future, your children’s future and this nation’s economy.

 

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Old Guy
Old Guy
January 31, 2017 8:33 pm

Hey Karl! You’re gonna die! Within in next 10 or 15 years. Like it or not. Grow up! Get real!
Your healthy living bull s-it is just that. BS.

Just wanted to remind you and bring your silly a-s back to Earth.

javelin
javelin
  Old Guy
January 31, 2017 9:23 pm

The mortality rate of human beings is still 100% ( Elijah and Enoch not withstanding). I’m cool with it. I have considered it. I have an after life belief and I don’t care what they do with all my stuff or even my body afterwards….

Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
  javelin
February 1, 2017 8:28 am

I have kids and grandkids.

I DO definitely “CARE” what happens to my “stuff.”

I want the guns to go to my descendants so they can shoot assholes in the face. I want the wealth to go to my descendants so they can build their homes in safe places surrounded by civilization instead of surrounded by barbarism.

And I have nothing both loathsome contempt for anyone who thinks they have more entitlement to MY STUFF than do I or my descendants.

Jason Calley
Jason Calley
  javelin
February 1, 2017 3:28 pm

Hey javlin! “The mortality rate of human beings is still 100%”

I’m not dead. You’re not dead. Somewhere around 7+ billion people are not dead, so the mortality rate of human beings is NOT 100%. Not yet. When all the humans have died off and there is no one left alive, THEN the rate will be 100%.

Don’t get me wrong. I am not willing to bet against the idea that for any specific human being or group of human beings, the mortality rate will eventually be 100%. But not yet! 🙂

Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
  Old Guy
February 1, 2017 8:24 am

All of us die, but some die sooner than others.
I don’t respect those who treat the vessel of their life, their body, with contempt. Fuck them, that which leans toward self-destruction deserves to be PUSHED.

This is the One Certain Bite at the apple. Trying to avoid cancer, heart disease and the many chronic diseases of modernity isn’t stupid, it’s living a life that’s value-conscious.

Your comment reads like you don’t see things this way.

Karl Denninger is an ASSHOLE in real life. Anyone who has tried to discuss things with him quickly finds that out. But he’s not a stupid asshole. IMO he “gets” about 80% of the total correct, which is 70% better than most people, including the best and brightest who are telling us all what to do.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 31, 2017 8:55 pm

In the vane of Eisenhower’s caution “….beware the military industrial complex…..”, we must get rid of all government-anything (military, business/corporate, union, education, religious, non-profit, etc) connections, and get back to our founders original intent of minimum government. Otherwise, everything gets inevitably corrupted.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Anonymous
February 1, 2017 10:42 am

*vein*

rhs jr
rhs jr
January 31, 2017 9:45 pm

I’ve talked to Black friends that do not pay back their college loans because they say Whites owe them. It’s past time (by 152 years) to terminate Black “colleges”, Black student unions and 52 years past time to end Affirmative Action. Bring back the Civil Service Exam and Merit (or America will become another failed country). Diversity Stupidity destroyed ancient Persia. In 331 BC, Alexander the Great led 47,000 professional Macedonian soldiers to Gaugamela (near Mosul Iraq) and destroyed Darius lll’s highly diversified army of over 250,000 (some historians say 1,000,000). Darius’ own generals told him his army was so diverse they couldn’t fight and it would be better to just keep running and to harass the Macedonians supply lines. Darius thought that with such numbers, he couldn’t lose and ordered the generals to stand and fight. Within minutes of the start of the battle, the Diversified Glory of Persia was being cut down like a bunch of nitwits and then they ran like sissies. Alexander lost about 500 men; Darius himself took off to the mountains and lost about 50,000 men. His own Generals hunted him down and killed him. The Russians and Chinese will slaughter US one day too unless we restore our whole military to a genuine fighting force. You can lose most of your men but the nation revives; lose most of your women and the nation dies.

Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
  rhs jr
February 1, 2017 8:20 am

You can lose your women to false gods, too, like feminism. Matriarchies are suicide pacts.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 31, 2017 11:10 pm

Denninger may think he’s being cutting edge with this stuff, but he’s actually a decade or so behind most of us.

Ms. Ciscero
Ms. Ciscero
January 31, 2017 11:13 pm

Just for laughs:
“In other words: We will sell it for whatever we think the value is to you.”
“That never, ever works in a competitive market and nobody says that in a competitive market. Why? Because it’s an instant prescription for bankrupcy.”

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/new-social-justice-drink-starbucks-white-snowflake-smoothie-t19252.html

lmorris
lmorris
January 31, 2017 11:32 pm

it took that long, we are one mile from the point of no return

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
January 31, 2017 11:45 pm

And when it collapses, and no one can afford technological medical care, those who are DEPENDENT on technological medical care to survive will die. Those who are at least relatively healthy will continue living. Those who are on the border line will find out which side of it they are actually on. There is no cure for stupidity, and it accumulates – in places like the State Dept. (recently drained), the H&HS Dept. (probably next / soon up for draining), and the rest of the agencies that are doing things the government shouldn’t be doing in the first place. We will all suffer, some will die, some will toughen up; anyone who expects differently is a modern college grad, and will get a BETTER education from reality.

Tim
Tim
February 1, 2017 3:23 am

“That’s arithmetic, not politics and the reason I’m done beating the drum on this point is that I’ve spent the last decade on explaining it quite-clearly relying only on arithmetic and yet you simply will not get off your knees before either a Democrat or Republican, depending on which half of the political divide you wish to fall — and irrespective of who is in power you will not refuse to consent daily to what is mathematically proved: The certain destruction of your future, your children’s future and this nation’s economy.”

I made this EXACT summary in the last Denninger post, nearly word-for-word. However, I was just being a smart alec with the whole thing. But that’s exactly how he feels.

The problem with his blaming me, though, is that he never provides any solutions for what I’m supposed to “do” about the problem. I’m working as hard as I know how to work. I’m developing a secondary income outside of my primary career. I’m growing a garden. I’m learning to make wine. Hell, I’m even about to start learning to make my own soap and laundry detergent. I’ve given up on voting.

I’m doing everything i know to do to take the power and taxation away from them and rely more on myself and my community.

Short of bullets, I don’t know what else to do. So screw you, Denninger. Either give us some solutions or quit bitching at us, as if we’re to blame. I see the problem, clear as day. I don’t know what to do about it, any more than I’m already doing.

Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
  Tim
February 1, 2017 8:47 am

Agreed, Tim. Denninger blames us, somehow, and I concur that he’s an asshole of mountainous proportion. The man cannot imagine he’s ever wrong. About anything.

There’s nothing for us to do. All of this is part of Historical Impulsion, governed by the endogenously regulated force of SOCIAL MOOD.

We get the government (and financial system, and society, etc.) to which our fellowmen consent. Given that Most People Are Idiots, and cannot remotely figure out things for themselves, we are always dragged along by the herd-mentality of our neighbors.

You can rant and rage and confront people and try to point out the obvious all you want, their minds are controlled by deep, pre-conscious impulses of which they’re not even aware. This is why people don’t learn, this is why history repeats, this is why arguing with people is pointless and why the future is already baked into the cake. We cannot alter the path of the future. It is SET.

We are ants, riding on leaves floating along a massive river. We don’t control the course of the river. All we can do is try as best we can to discern what’s coming, and paddle as best we can to what may appear (sometimes incorrectly) to be a safer part of the river. We’re going along for the ride no matter what.

It’s like the Far Side cartoon of the lemmings walking down into the surf to drown. There’s a little guy near the back, with a smirk and a twinkle in his eye….wearing a life ring.

That’s who I’m trying to be.

Robert Gore
Robert Gore
  Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
February 1, 2017 9:28 am

It sounds like you are aware of the works of Robert Prechter.

Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
  Robert Gore
February 1, 2017 10:47 am

You noticed that.

I harbor mixed thoughts on Bob P. & his work.
1. I think his socionomic insight is brilliant.
2. I think EWP is far too subjective to use for trading, and I truly question the basis for his selling it as a trading mechanism. Learning this cost me quite literally over $100,000.

Years ago I wrote a review of Pioneering Studies that Bob’s people published on their website. Bob invited me to have dinner with him and the then-director of the Socionomic Institute, Gordon Graham, ostensibly to see what it was about my path that led to me “getting it.”

It was a very memorable evening. I like Bob personally, and respect his work, but came to question the “marketing” in common with other financial newsletter-writers. I think it’s borderline fraud (something which Bob’s friend Dick Diamond all but said, when I was spending nearly $10,000 to learn that I lack the mental aptitude for trading.)

I do believe that social mood is the driver of social action, and that the tenets of Socionomics are a big piece of the puzzle. I see the workings of this in myself, in my trading and decision-making, and across the entirety of what I see in the world. Its inescapably actually terrifies me.

I think Bob’s work is on the level of the greatest minds in the Western Canon. I also think it’s just scratching the surface of much deeper insights. All things that exhibit complexity (esp. the fractal of Elliott’s WP) ebb and flow in periods of trend and nodes of chaos. It is at these nodes where trends can change, or continue.

When we better understand this simple insight, Socionomics will attain an entirely new relevance.

Robert Gore
Robert Gore
  Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
February 1, 2017 11:19 am

Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets),
Rather than extend the discussion of socionomics here, I will soon be posting, on both SLL and TBP, a review of Prechter’s new magnum opus, the Socionomic Theory of Finance. That should offer an opportunity to continue the discussion.

Anon
Anon
  Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
February 1, 2017 10:20 am

Denninger is an asshole, but, like Trump, we NEED assholes right now. We are way past the point where compromises can be made. I am not a fan of his railing on people for their choices, however I must conclude that he IS correct. The vast majority of people STILL don’t fully get it. If they did, they would quit getting in to more debt. Why are people still buying homes they can’t afford, cars they can’t afford, educations they can’t afford, going on to Amazon and buying Chinese shit they can’t afford, watching MSM etc? The numbers are dwindling admittedly on some of these things, but not by nearly enough, and I suspect the only reason that some of it is dwindling is due to lack of resources (maxed out) rather than the discipline to save and not buy it consciously.

Trump is not a savior, however I do believe that he is playing 3D chess, like James Spader’s character in The Blacklist. Because of this I am watching with a cautious eye, which is what the thinking man is doing right now. Things have to be fixed in stages, and because of our legal system, there has to be certain steps involved. What gives me hope is the continuous steps forward by Trump on issues that truly matter – not committees or focus groups, actual results. But these are low hanging fruit. A test so to speak, to exhaust his opponents. If you make them look like fools so many times, then when they may gain traction, they have none. Strategy.

As far as Trumps stand on Healthcare, he has repeatedly hinted at free market systems. However, we all must understand the size and scope of disinformation and flat out lies that we have been sold over the years. If he just pulled the rug out now, he would probably be destroyed publicly. Yes, even Trump has weaknesses. The fruit is not ripe yet.
His strength though lies in his vision, and that he can visualize the strategic steps involved to get to the end result. All textbook Art of the deal stuff. He also does not tip his hand. He will hint at what is coming, but not the how.

He made a statement to pharma executives that I think is VERY illustrative of this approach, however almost no one caught its nuance. He said, paraphrasing “you guys have done great things over the years, but we have got to get these prices down”. In Trumps world, that is a pointed warning. Translation: Fix this within your industry now, save face, and come out looking like you are trying to help. If you don’t, I am going to crucify you and / or prosecute you, and leave your industry as a smoking husk in the corner. If I was a pharma exec leaving that meeting, I would be on the phone with my finance and marketing guys to begin setting a new course for business. I suspect that was the same conversation that the tech execs had at the meeting at Trump tower shortly after his election. He most likely warned them what was coming, but obviously some execs didn’t get the hint. I believe that could hurt them. Google, Apple etc. are big and rich, however they are no match for a smart chess player with the power of the US Government.
Denninger is just a little impatient I believe, and wants immediate results. Not a viable or winning strategy in today’s government or society unfortunately.

Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
  Anon
February 1, 2017 10:33 am

Anon, I sympathize with your family plight. The world is full of predicaments that charlatans paint as problems (for which they wish to bill you for their “solutions.”)

We got to this juncture via a path, we’ll leave it on a path. That path will not include a “solution” to any predicament.

I’m very fatalistic. We can but do the best we can, with the world presented to us. I anticipate great difficulty ahead, but my hope rests in being reasonably bright and open-eyed.

Best of luck.

anonymous
anonymous
  Tim
February 1, 2017 11:23 am

Agree with Tim. Karl’s post is all diagnosis, most of which I have long since recognized and agreed with. No treatment plan. Nothing to do. No, these three things will help stop this corruption, or these things will make the coming crash more survivable. He does not even get into what ‘getting out of the system’ truly means. It is all venting at the corruption, no plan to stop, mitigate or survive it.

Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
  anonymous
February 1, 2017 11:49 am

The reason there’s no solution proposed is because all roads lead to calamity.

The USA (and the world) is addicted to debt-based spending. Entire industries exist now for no other reason than to serve the over-consumption that is the ENTIRE EFFECT of debt-based spending.

If you pull one brick, the entire Jenga tower falls. Implementing Denninger’s application of anti-trust, etc., to the Medical Industrial Complex would set off a domino-fall of collapsing employment, then skyrocketing amounts of debt (for medical-related education, and for mortgages taken out by suddenly unemployed people) going bad.

The bad-debt loop of 2006-2009 almost collapsed the entire world’s economy. This time there will be no bailing it out, it’s grown metastatically worse.

So no.

No fix is forthcoming. All roads lead to the Poseidon Adventure. We just don’t know when for sure, although if the stock turn at the top lags the stock bottom & bond turn 36 years ago, 2017 will spell the top.

We’ve waited a long, long time for this madness to end, and the longer it took, the more Vesuvius-like became the problem.

Too many foreigners.
Too many welfare dependents.
Too few self-sufficient people.
Too much reliance on the “government.”
Too fragile the infrastructure.
Too dishonest the monetary system.
Too many promises.
Too little capital left to deliver on them.
Too many people addicted to lives of ease and plenty.
Too much dysfunction allowed to sit and rot.

There’s nowhere to hide.

Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
February 1, 2017 8:38 am

Denninger is close, but doesn’t quite “get” it.

The entire financialization program is to play the “concentrated benefits, diffuse costs” game of politics. The goal now, after the greatest credit/debt build-up in the History of Mankind is to arrange it so that all wealth can be attached and siphoned off.

Get sick? The hospitals want to be able to take your everything.
Have savings? No one wants to “give” you your pension, SS, or any other promised cash flow (to each according to his need, from each according to his ability…right?)

Why do people have savings? Because they chose NOT TO CONSUME every dime they produced. Savings yields freedom.

The PTB don’t like your freedom. They want everyone to consume every dime they produce, and then borrow more to consume that, too. Indentured people are SLAVES. They want you enslaved.

So all of this is the next step.

First they eliminated anything physical from money (in 1964 & 1971.) Then, in 1981 bond prices bottomed and for 36 years issuing debt was tantamount to printing wealth out of nowhere.

This allowed people to hold debt (and believe they were richer) while the wealth borrowed was CONSUMED. It freed Congress and the POTUS from having to tax, so spending skyrocketed.

GUNS AND BUTTER FOR EVERYONE, IN INFINITE AMOUNTS!!!!!!

Now that the social psychology of this 3-1/2 decade trend is changing, a new system emerges.

Everything is intended to
1. Force your wealth into easily seen forms (in the banking system, or deeded property.)
2. Create systems allowing creditors to strip you of your assets.
3. Create systems where you can’t avoid incurring massive costs (e.g., medical care.)

The reason medical care (and medical “insurance”) is so unaffordable is that it is an OUTSTANDING way to asset strip productive people who saved and tried to accumulate wealth.

Now that so few of us exist, we are easy pickings politically. No one cares about the people who HAVE something to lose, but who are not rich enough to buy their own congressmen.

Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
  Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
February 1, 2017 8:53 am

Financialization is simply legalized theft writ large. It is a way to allow thieves to steal what is not theirs, and do it under color of law.

Sadly, in today’s world EVERYONE is both thief and victim. The surgeon benefiting from the medical exemption from laws against price-fixing, etc., also is robbed by the taxes and credit inflation behind the scenes. The welfare queen sucking Uncle Sam’s tits is kept dependent and useless by the dole. The engineer working for a defense contractor benefits from the theft while paying for others’ gibsmedats.

It’s the same as spreading the production of parts for a useless weapons system into every congressional district. Together, everyone is suffering, but individually they’re benefiting.

We are drowning in the Tragedy of the Commons.

Jason Calley
Jason Calley
  Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
February 1, 2017 3:41 pm

Hey Barnum! I just have to say that reading your comments on this thread are some of the best, well phrased, concise, and deeply insightful bits I have read around here. I am impressed and appreciative! Thanks!

Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
  Jason Calley
February 1, 2017 4:01 pm

Hi Jason, thanks. I use forums like this (and conversations with my wife) to hone my thinking about it all. Everyone has a piece of the underlying reality, and I plagiarize with gusto when making my own stew of it.

I have yet to find an actual benefit from getting my thoughts worked out, though. I keep hoping someone will show me where I’m wrong, and that all this is going to work out in an orderly way.

The older I get, the more I fear I’ll lack the grit to persevere. I guess it’s like the song from the musical, Damn Yankees. “You gotta have heart.”

Jason Calley
Jason Calley
  Barnum Bailey (formerly dc.sunsets)
February 2, 2017 10:01 am

“You gotta have heart.”

As my wife puts it, “It’s a great life, if you don’t weaken!” I am pushing into old age as well, and there are a lot of things that I physically just can no longer do. The flip side of that is that I believe I have a much better idea of what is possible to do and what is desirable to do; I don’t waste as much effort as I did when I was younger. The body is wearing down, but the spirit is strong!

My best to you and to yours, Barnum.

Montefrío
Montefrío
February 1, 2017 9:38 am

Once one has fulfilled obligations to children and/or aged parents: chop wood, carry water.

O. Kellog
O. Kellog
February 1, 2017 9:53 am

So according to KD, I “refuse to consent daily” and I’m “on my knees”. FU

I didn’t allow this to happen, I did my part, voted in every election for the cockservatives and still got screwed. Aired my grievances, nobody listened. Even ran for office, for city council, and came in third in a three man race, because I was “too conservative”.

My family is affected by both of these issues. My wife has a genetic medical condition that is painful and incurable except by transplant. She can’t find a doctor to treat her and medical insurance is a nightmare. My daughter is college aged, and has the same genetic medical condition. I won’t allow her to take a loan for college, so she is working.

I say let it fail. Bring it on. Burn this motherfucker to the ground! Can’t happen soon enough.

May all the politicians, lawyers, doctors, bankers, lobbyists, reporters, and government workers hang. May all the communists, marxists, socialists, and libtards hang.

But hey, according to KD this is all my fault and I refuse to consent. STFU Karl, I know the math, I see the problem. I have prepared accordingly. No one can fix it, and they have no desire to fix it. So the only thing to do is jump off the platform and watch it burn!