Alt-Bot Politics

Guest Post by The Zman

Recently, the government has seen fit to dump a collection of hobos into my part of the ghetto. For a long time we were bum free, then one day we had four or five camping in shrubbery, behind buildings and so forth. One was completely insane, running into the street screaming at people. The others just look like men down on their luck, as we used to say. They stay out of the way and they don’t panhandle, at least as far as I can tell.


The one guy I see, on my way to and from the office, never seems to move from the clump of bushes he now calls home. It was raining today and he had an umbrella, so he could guard his camp, I suppose. The bum’s life is a mystery to me, but my hunch is the sheer boredom of it alters them psychologically, assuming they are something close to sane before they hit the streets. This one looks like a drunk to me, but that’s a guess.

Still, imagine what it must be like to wake up every day knowing you have no reason to exist. The crazy ones are probably lucky in that regard. The drunks and drug addicts sober up long enough to realize they are just extra people that have no purpose and the world has no use for them. Presumably, their addictions are what landed them on the streets, but that realization is probably what keeps them there. What’s the point?

Once in my life, I was out of work for an extended period. The career I was in had run its course so I was in need of a course correction. I had some money put away that I could use to take some time off to figure out my next move. The first month was great. I enjoyed all the things I never had time to do when working. Then it got boring and my sleep started getting weird. I realized that I was not built for retirement or extended unemployment.

Don’t get me wrong. I am not one of the “work sets you free” types. I like goofing off as much as anyone. It’s just that I need a reason to get up in the morning. I need a purpose and it does not need to be a grand purpose. Even a job stocking shelves would be enough, just as long as I know I’m part of the world. I don’t think I’m an outlier. My general impression is most people have the itch that is best scratched by having a job.

Fear of the robot revolution mostly focuses on the economics of a world without work, but there is that other side and it may be more important. Let’s pretend the robots figure out how to keep us in material goods beyond any reasonable expectation. Without some purpose, lots of people will get bored and then go a little crazy. Crazy bums are a manageable problem. Crazy bored smart people may not be manageable.

That’s the other thing about the robot revolution. It’s assumed that the laboring classes will be hit first. That may not be the case. I was talking with a friend over the holiday and he is fairly sure he will be out of a career soon. He is in the money business and much of what he does is being taken over by software. The algorithms are so good there is no need for the smart guy who trades on math, rather than emotion or experience.

It’s not just that the machines are replacing people. What automation often does is reduce the skills required of certain jobs. In the industrial age, automation replaced the skilled craftsman with a local yokel, who would work cheap. Similarly, smart experienced people in the investment game are being replaced with younger, cheaper people who will push the green button when it flashes and the red button when it flashes, like bond traders do now.

The robot revolution is not going to happen overnight, but a lot of smart people in their middle years, see the writing on the wall. Baby Boomers have not prepared adequately for their retirement, but at least they had a job until retirement. The next generation is facing a great dislocation in the second half of their prime working years. If “greedy geezers” are warping our politics, just imagine what a wave of pissed off middle-aged people will do.

We may be getting a glimpse of it with the alt-right. It’s hard not to notice that the movement is mostly young males. There are plenty Gen-X people, but they are the geezers of the movement. The irreverence and subversiveness are only partially driven by youth. There’s a healthy disdain for the culture too. The alt-right is a rejection of the modern American culture, by people who think the culture has rejected them.

As the middle-aged people begin to wonder what’s the point, many will do like the hobos at the start of this post. They will find ways to lose themselves in drugs, booze and despondency. Some will get into the sort of dissident politics we see with the alt-right, while others may even find more radical ways to find purpose in their lives. Men need a purpose, a reason to get up in the morning. If work is not it, then something else will fill the void. The robot masters may learn that idle hands do the devil’s work.

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MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
July 7, 2017 7:48 am

I imagine that there might be some way a computer could take every fucking color variable into account, use spatial vision well beyond anything I could ever hope to muster and be sensitive to the latest demand to produce art glass so super kewl that even I would have to admit I’m fucked.

But it sure ain’t happening in the time I have left.

I know that sounds so mememe, but that’s the facts Jack. It’s weird to think that computers will go beyond being tools to becoming instruments of replacement. Is it possible that a machine could conceptualize and paint the Sistine Chapel? Or carve out the Pieta, which I saw in a darkened room at the NY World’s Fair in 1963, standing on a moving conveyor as you glided ethereally past.

A machine could create that??

Rdawg
Rdawg
  MMinLamesa
July 7, 2017 10:50 am

Dale Chihuly? Is that you?

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  MMinLamesa
July 8, 2017 1:33 am

memey, MMin.

Diogenes
Diogenes
July 7, 2017 8:31 am

Who is going to buy the goods the machines produce? If so many people are out of work?

MMinLamesa
MMinLamesa
  Diogenes
July 7, 2017 8:44 am

I think if you take this to it’s seemingly logical conclusion, at some point machines will see us as useless nuisances and get out the bug spray.

Lulu
Lulu
  MMinLamesa
July 7, 2017 5:50 pm

Termintor

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Lulu
July 8, 2017 1:34 am

Starring the Governtor

prusmc
prusmc
  Diogenes
July 7, 2017 8:55 am

Has anyone given thought to the plight of the increasingly displaced and distained White formerly “working class” will find the solution to its’ woes in the same manner that the American Indian on the reservation reacted to newly found and continuing uselessness?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
  prusmc
July 7, 2017 9:39 am

Casinos? Won’t work for everyone – just like not everyone can make it rich by becoming Heavyweight Champion of the World.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  prusmc
July 8, 2017 1:35 am

its woes

Suzanna
Suzanna
July 7, 2017 9:07 am

MM,
The various forms of bug spray are well in play.

I am “retired” after working/school/working
since age 15. B4 15 doesn’t count = odd jobs.
I love being able to do nothing, but I am as
as busy as ever. Purpose? For one, 3 sets of noses
and paws alert me to the need for breakfast time.
Fully 10 hours of labor in the heat and bugs just
yesterday to get the last of my plantings installed.
We had a month of rain here…thus the delay.
Plus there is the man…It is a full time job coming
up with “healthy” meals. Actually, women never
“retire” or lack purpose. A man without work or
purpose is a disaster. Cultivate a hobby or two
gentlemen. Avoid the bushes as a home at all
costs.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Suzanna
July 8, 2017 1:38 am

A man without work or purpose is a disaster.

We’re quite busy giving women a purpose.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
July 7, 2017 9:12 am

Well, the “robots replace workers” thing was amusing to the Liberal elite when it consisted of white, male, Republican NRA members losing their manufacturing jobs in Ohio and Indiana.

However, the next phase of the automation project, already underway, will be female office and service workers losing their jobs to software algorithms, IBM Watson, restaurant robot/kiosks, off-shored algorithm-assisted help desks etc.

At some point in this next automation phase, the feminist Luddites will emerge in full force to condemn the villainy of the Capitalist patriarchy and the heartless Globalization project. Or, they will just demand bigger Government and free weed. Either way, this is a political problem in the final analysis and Technology will be directed by the Elites to their desired outcome.

The fate of males and their “Ikigai” (as the Japanese put it), or reason to get up in the morning, was never and never will be the issue with regard to automation.

Rob
Rob
July 7, 2017 9:36 am

Di, the point is – as we all drift towards no work, how is it that work can be our raison d’etra. Today you are what you do. Tomorrow you will have to be something else because you won’t be able to do anything. As computers and robots take over all jobs there will have to be an economic shift away from “your money comes from you efforts” towards “you don’t need money because no effort is required.” Most of us old farts can’t understand this. We have never even thought of a world without work. Even our fiction predicts a world with work. But it is very likely that very few of our grandchildren will ever be required to work. Their jobs will be handled by ever more efficient robots. As this evolution, which is clearly started, proceeds, how will we apportion the proceeds of these robots? How will we ensure that those who used to work, and took pride in their efforts, can continue to receive the things they need? The things they want.

Your life has been molded by the industrial revolution and the battle between communism and capitalism but these driving forces are becoming less and less important. As they fade into history new economic methodologies will grow…or your grandchildren will find themselves wished out into the corn field. I see this as the point of the article and your question above as a doorway towards finding the answer.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
July 7, 2017 9:44 am

“I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening?”
“Yes, sir. I am”
“Handjobs.”

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Iska Waran
July 8, 2017 1:30 am

Iska, that was an entire BBT episode, disgraceful.

Gayle
Gayle
July 7, 2017 10:24 am

I say we murder the robots.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  Gayle
July 7, 2017 10:42 am

Robotacide?

Miles Long
Miles Long
  Francis Marion
July 7, 2017 3:58 pm

We sure dont want them picking cotton. Look what happened last time.

deplorably stanley
deplorably stanley
  Gayle
July 7, 2017 4:03 pm

Drunk man who ‘knocked over 300lb armless crime prevention robot in Silicon Valley then tried to have a conversation with it’ is arrested

Jason Sylvain, 41, attacked the K5 security robot in a parking lot on April 19
The droid was guarding the HQ of its own manufacturers, Knightscope
It then alerted its human colleagues, and Sylvain was swiftly arrested
Sylvain has been charged with public intoxication and prowling

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4446222/Drunken-man-attacks-armless-security-robot-California.html

Anon
Anon
July 7, 2017 10:46 am

“The algorithms are so good there is no need for the smart guy who trades on math, rather than emotion or experience.” – Well, if I was in that position, I would get my own trading account, and trade for myself, and make all the money myself. The robots are great, but humans, especially smart humans can find small inconsistencies and inefficiencies, and exploit them in ways the robots (and their programmers) can’t. There will always be a place at the table for smart people, it just may not be where “institutions” think they need to be.

i forget
i forget
  Anon
July 7, 2017 6:33 pm

“…it just may not be where “institutions” think they need to be.”

Ditto that for where hand wringers & doomsayers think things needs be going.

Extrapolators that hold everything constant, including especially their cherry-picked sour grapes impending doom variables – which invariably then grow to the sky & shroud the land in darkness – have some other incentive that turns them on than exploitable inconsistencies & inefficiencies.

“Earl grey, hot,” would be acceptable. But a 1st or 2nd flush Darjeeling would be excellent.

General
General
July 7, 2017 11:17 am

The problem isn’t that robots replace jobs. It’s who owns the robots in the first place, and the production from them.

rhs jr
rhs jr
July 7, 2017 11:41 am

Robots and the Alt-Right offer solutions to many problems and don’t scare me; but the Constitution and Christian hating NeoCons spouting their constant concerns about the Alt-Right (US Conservative Goy), and the NeoCons Liberal Frankenstein Monsters (The Oligarchs and their FSA), and the NeoCons beloved open borders for muhammadans DO SCARE ME. I’m past tired of the Devil and his minions bad mouthing Conservatives.

Penforce
Penforce
July 7, 2017 11:48 am

Robots expansion is similar to monoculture agriculture. One disease or bug will take down your entire crop. One well placed EMP will clean two million square miles of everything electric, including robots and their computery little brains.

“Blow up your TV, throw away your papers. Move to the country, build you a home.” John Prine

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
July 7, 2017 1:05 pm

Meet SAM-

Two minutes of complete and utter bullshit. Watch between the 33 and 48 second mark and see if you can spot the cognitive dissonance required in order to believe that robotics is an improvement over human skills and labor.

We live in a world that is completely detached from reality in any sense of the word.

DRUD
DRUD
  hardscrabble farmer
July 7, 2017 1:13 pm

Agreed.

Take a look at this one from Boston Dynamics–it is very cool from an engineering standpoint, but quite clearly demonstrates out self-destructive tendencies and addiction to tech:

and for a little comic relief, this voice-over version:

cz
cz
  hardscrabble farmer
July 7, 2017 2:23 pm

Agree. Scientism is a Darwinian-based religion. In the end, technological science is not here to help, but don’t say that to neil ass Tyson, bill bye, or that japanese bs spewer…

i forget
i forget
  hardscrabble farmer
July 7, 2017 7:02 pm

Slippery slope subterfuge, you’re saying? That one or two more nudges & the masons will be superfluous?

Saw “Loving” recently. He was a mason. He & she were walled in by anti-miscegenation “laws” in late 50’s VA (which is for lovers, according to the bumper sticker those VA’s came up with in ’69). The deal the “judge” made the couple was get out of VA, & don’t come back, together, for 25 years, or 5 years in penitentiary for him.

ACLU hod carriers dragged that load all the way up to the “supreme court.” 1967. And that wall came tumblin’ down. Plenty prolly thought it was the end of the world. But it was only the end of the world as it had been.

DRUD
DRUD
July 7, 2017 1:08 pm

Of course, EMP ends the whole mess in a thousandth of a second, but that will not be necessary. Our grandchildren will NOT live in a robot world where everything from their finances to wiping their ass is done by a machine. It is all about complexity and debt…things that grow exponentially, until they can grow no more. Empires collapse, it’s what they do. It could be a Geico commercial. Neither the currently dominant American Empire nor the world-wide Technological Empire will endure for generations. We’ve already rolled an insane number of passes in a row to keep this shitshow going; eventually its going to come up snake-eyes and the whole thing goes down.
I see a world, a generation from now, which is like a techno-agrarian hybrid. After all the wars, revolutions, economic collapses, famines, epidemics or pandemics, and other various disasters “mak(e) expiation for (themselves) and wearing out…” society will settle down in the only ways possible. It must be efficient enough from an energy standpoint (ie, food no longer will travel anywhere the current average of 1500 miles to get to the table, goods and materials will no longer be shipped around the world to make use of the very temporary financial distortions of the current global labor market, entertainment will no longer be broadcast all over the world 24 hrs a day, etc.) but it will still use some quite advanced tech to make day-to-day life easier as knowledge once gained is never completely forgotten.
I think it will be a good world for those who make it through. I just think the transition period–whether long, contracted and bloody, or short and EXTREMELY bloody–may be a close approximation of hell.

james the deplorable wanderer
james the deplorable wanderer
  DRUD
July 7, 2017 2:31 pm

I agree with this – the people who are designing all this complexity are not capable of sustaining it. Complex systems require precise, predictable and reliable inputs – whether those are electricity, raw materials, distribution, waste disposal. If any of the subsystems fail, the overall system will fail from starvation or backup.
It is probably theoretically possible now to build complex hydrocarbons (think asphalt) from hydrogen and carbon. It would take massively complex reactor systems, lots of energy, significant amounts of materials and lots of money. It would be dependable as long as the resources hold out, rather more selective than the stuff you pump out of the ground, and more consistent than the natural stuff. It would also be economically uncompetitive, which is probably why no one will ever try. You can get asphalt cheaper from nature than you could ever synthesize it.
I suspect many more items will go on that list. But nature is not dependable (crop failure), and computers are not intuitive (creative arts). I think we will still need people, for many tasks which are not routine. Whether we can survive without purpose, it’s hard to say. We could always go the “Star Trek” route and take up space exploration again. I doubt we’d run out of vistas out there anytime soon.

MN Steel
MN Steel
  james the deplorable wanderer
July 7, 2017 10:17 pm

Where the fuck is my Jetsons’ Flying Car?

And my Moon Base, Mars Colony, or 1950’s World of Tomorrow?

HAL, please open the door…

unit472
unit472
July 7, 2017 4:19 pm

A big problem to overcome with computers is ‘trust’. Its a fair bet IBM’s Watson could diagnose a disease better than any MD but we are ready to trust a computer ( and the AMA will fight tooth and nail to prevent computers from diagnosing us). The same problem arises with driverless vehicles. How many people would get on an airplane if there wasn’t a human pilot and flying a plane is child’s play as compared to driving a car or truck in traffic. There’s a reason for the back seat driver phenomenom. People don’t even trust their husband or wife’s driving. I’m not sure we will ever be ready to sit comfortably in an auto doing 70 mph and let a computer drive for us even if it can be demonstrated you are statistically safer.

What is disturbing to me is the number of tattooed freaks I see wandering around. Too young to be winos or hopeless drug addicts they seem to have just given up before they are even 30. Maybe they see a different future ahead that my older eyes just don’t recognize or something because why else cover your flesh with tattoos.?

rhs jr
rhs jr
  unit472
July 7, 2017 9:31 pm

I’m telling the Honest Injun Truth I swear that I read an account many Winters and Moons ago that I now believe was as true as the Great Spirit and the White Buffalo. Some Pioneers were talking to some Indians who complained that their youth had gone crazy: all they wanted to do was beat on drums, get drunk and get tattoos; the Indians said there was some Evil Spirit in this new land. Duh.