“The next Fourth Turning is due to begin shortly after the new millennium, midway through the Oh-Oh decade. Around the year 2005, a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation and empire. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning
This Fourth Turning was ignited suddenly in September 2008 as the housing bubble, created by the Federal Reserve and their criminal puppeteer owners on Wall Street, collapsed, revealing the greatest control fraud in world history. A crisis mood was catalyzed as the stock market dropped 50%, unemployment surged to highs not seen since 1981, foreclosures exploded, and captured politicians bailed out the criminal bankers with the tax dollars of the victims.
The mood of the country darkened immediately as average Americans flooded their congressmen’s websites and phone lines with a demand not to bailout the felonious Wall Street banks with $700 billion of TARP. But they ignored their supposed constituents and revealed who they are truly beholden to.
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Trust in the political and financial system disintegrated and has further deteriorated as the ruling elite continue to loot and pillage as if the 2008/2009 global financial meltdown never happened. From the perspective of the archaic social order there is no longer a crisis. The recovery narrative, flogged ceaselessly by the crooked establishment and their propaganda fake news corporate media mouthpieces, has convinced millions of willfully ignorant Americans progress is occurring.
Could they be right? Is the Crisis over? Has this Fourth Turning been managed to a successful conclusion by central bankers issuing tens of trillions in debt, politicians spending tens of trillions supplied by taxpayers, bankers rigging financial markets, and consumers leveraging up to maintain their lifestyles? Has the exiting corrupt social order successfully retained their power, control and influence over the masses by manipulating the levers of society and fending off their demise? Have they already won?
This Fourth Turning just passed its ninth anniversary. The Civil War Fourth Turning lasted only five years, but that was because it was accelerated, with an enormous amount of bloodshed crammed into a short time frame. The American Revolution Crisis lasted twenty one years. The Great Depression/World War II Crisis lasted seventeen years. All three prior American Fourth Turnings ended with an all-out decisive war, with clear victors and vanquished.
Based on historical precedent, this Fourth Turning shouldn’t reach its resolution until the mid-2020’s, with a major global conflict on the near term horizon. Those who understand that something wicked this way comes are frustrated by the apparent slowness of the progression. They shouldn’t be too anxious for an acceleration.
Since Strauss & Howe didn’t formulate their generational theory until 1997, this is the first Fourth Turning in which some people understand the dynamics driving the Crisis. Does knowledge about a cycle change the underlying forces propelling history? Has the establishment oligarchy co-opted the crisis mood of the country to avoid its own demise? Or, is this Fourth Turning just proceeding according to the standard morphology along its two decade long test of survival?
I honestly don’t know. This is my first and only Fourth Turning. What I do know is the Crisis began in the time frame predicted by Strauss & Howe. The catalyst was the 2008 financial meltdown created by Wall Street and the Federal Reserve, just as they had done in 1929 to catalyze the previous Fourth Turning. Strauss and Howe documented the four stages of a Fourth Turning.
- A Crisis era begins with a catalyst – a startling event (or sequence of events) that produces a sudden shift in mood.
- Once catalyzed, a society achieves a regeneracy – a new counterentropy that reunifies and reenergizes civic life.
- The regenerated society propels toward a climax – a crucial moment that confirms the death of the old order and birth of the new.
- The climax culminates in a resolution – a triumphant or tragic conclusion that separates the winners from losers, resolves the big public questions, and establishes the new order.
The 2008 global financial meltdown most certainly produced a sudden shift in mood. Average working class Americans saw their retirement savings obliterated for the second time in the space of eight years. Millions lost their jobs and got thrown out of their homes by the Wall Street bankers who perpetrated the greatest financial fraud in world history. The American citizens, who overwhelmingly disapproved of TARP, were disregarded as captured corrupt congressmen handed $700 billion of taxpayer funds to the Wall Street criminals.
The darker shift in mood produced the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wall Street movement. Both movements were co-opted by the establishment and effectively extinguished as change agents. Over the next seven years a massive debt produced bubble has been blown in stock, bond and real estate markets to benefit only those in the upper echelon of wealth. Wall Street is winning in a blowout over Main Street.
As 2015 morphed into the historic year of vitriol, hate, fake news, Russians, pussy grabbing, and an all-out establishment effort to discredit and defeat Donald Trump – 2016 saw battle lines drawn and combatants armed. The oligarchs used every propaganda trick in their bag. They used their vast limitless wealth to insure the election of their hand-picked candidate – Hillary Clinton. Black Lives Matter terrorists slaughtered policemen in cold blood. Social justice warriors were triggered on campuses across the land, retreating to safe spaces with crayons and coloring books.
Antifa fascists rioted, beat Trump supporters and attempted to shutdown free speech at every opportunity. Violent clashes, provoked by leftists, roiled the country and hardened the resolve of normal people in flyover America. The fake news corporate media produced fake polls showing an overwhelming victory for Clinton. The ruling elite underestimated the anger among the silent majority. Trump won an unlikely victory.
The basket of deplorables and millions of other disillusioned regular people chose the Grey Champion of this Fourth Turning on November 8, 2016. It was possibly the biggest upset in presidential history. The long awaited regeneracy had arrived. Just as the election of FDR marked the regeneracy of the last Fourth Turning, the election of Donald Trump marks the regeneracy moment of this Crisis.
His election has energized the country in positive and negative ways. He has unified factions for and against his agenda. His election has revealed an ingrained establishment (aka swamp creatures) inhabited by politicians of both parties who are intent on sabotaging his presidency. The first ten months of his presidency has been a tumultuous clash between an entrenched establishment and a tweeting, insulting, volatile, unpredictable, rude outsider real estate mogul from NYC.
The mood of the country has clearly darkened as 2017 has progressed. There is no middle ground or compromise. The tension between the two Americas rises with each mass shooting, Russian collusion revelation, exposure of media bias, proof of Hollywood degradation, judicial overreach, Soros funded staged protests, Donna Brazile tell all book and censorship actions by Twitter, Facebook, and other left wing slanted media outlets.
Only 24% of Americans think the country is headed in the right direction, and they are right. With a $20 trillion national debt, $200 trillion of unfunded welfare liabilities, pension plans underfunded by hundreds of billions, rampant governmental corruption, blatant Wall Street criminality, undeclared wars being waged across the globe, and a feeble minded corporate propaganda media spewing fake news, the nation has already hit the iceberg and the ship is going down.
The level of divisiveness and anger in this country grows exponentially, with the flames being fanned by the corporate media intent on creating a civil war. Battle lines are being drawn between Republicans and Democrats; the establishment GOP and the Steve Bannon alt-right disciples; far left Sanders Democrats and Clinton partisans; BLM terrorists and police; Soros funded Antifa scum and free speech conservatives; SJW’s and normal people; elites and deplorables; whites and blacks; liberals and conservatives; Wall Street and Main Street; Hollywood deviants and people with morals; Muslims and infidels; those who are awake and those who are ignorant; gun owners and gun confiscators; surveillance state and citizens being surveilled; young and old; haves and have nots; workers and parasites; government union workers and taxpayers; left wing academia and those with common sense; arrogant hubristic oligarchs and humble hard working Americans.
If you can’t comprehend the sense of foreboding engulfing the nation and the globe, you aren’t paying attention. Despite a global recovery narrative and record high stock markets supercharged by irresponsible debasing schemes implemented by captured central bankers, the world is hurtling relentlessly toward conflict, war and bloodshed. Every previous American Fourth Turning saw an upwards ratchet in violence, death and technological killing devices. This Fourth Turning will see a continuation of this trend. Fourth Turning wars are always decisive, with clear winners and losers.
The Revolutionary War erupted two years after the Boston Tea Party catalyst and lasted for eight years. The Civil War swept the country into conflict shortly after Lincoln’s election. The Second World War didn’t encroach on the lives of Americans until 12 years after the 1929 Great Crash. Each Crisis will have its own dynamics, pace, and timing, based upon specific events, leadership decisions, and generational reactions to the incidents and episodes driving the crisis. We are in year nine of this Fourth Turning and a looming bloody conflict is just over the horizon, but the vast majority of the American populace is unprepared and unaware for such a trial by fire.
The 2008 volcanic eruption has continued to flow along the channels of distress impacting nations across the globe. Yeoman efforts by the Deep State to keep the molten flow within controlled channels are failing, with the eruption about to burst free and cause global havoc on a grand scale, as predicted by Strauss & Howe.
“Imagine some national (and probably global) volcanic eruption, initially flowing along channels of distress that were created during the Unraveling era and further widened by the catalyst. Trying to foresee where the eruption will go once it bursts free of the channels is like trying to predict the exact fault line of an earthquake. All you know in advance is something about the molten ingredients of the climax, which could include the following:
- Economic distress, with public debt in default, entitlement trust funds in bankruptcy, mounting poverty and unemployment, trade wars, collapsing financial markets, and hyperinflation (or deflation)
- Social distress, with violence fueled by class, race, nativism, or religion and abetted by armed gangs, underground militias, and mercenaries hired by walled communities
- Political distress, with institutional collapse, open tax revolts, one-party hegemony, major constitutional change, secessionism, authoritarianism, and altered national borders
- Military distress, with war against terrorists or foreign regimes equipped with weapons of mass destruction”
The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe
The American Revolution military conflict was with an external enemy. The Civil War was an internal conflict between Americans. World War II was again an external conflict. Will the coming conflict be domestic, foreign or both? Every Fourth Turning has internal and external struggles and skirmishes. Loyalists battled patriots during the American Revolution. Both sides attempted to seek European support during the Civil War.
A resolute opposition despised FDR and even sought to organize a military coup to seize power of the government. This Fourth Turning is progressing along a dual path of internal and external clashes destined to define the events which will propel the world towards a climax and resolution of this fourth crisis period in U.S. history.
The apparent slowness of this Fourth Turning is not unusual and the rise in the stock market in the midst of the crisis does not alleviate the dire circumstances of the crisis. From its low in 1932 the stock market rose by over 400% by 1937, in the midst of the Great Depression, before another 45% plunge. The current Fed financed stock market rally has driven stocks up about 400% from the 2009 lows. Stock markets do not define when a crisis has ended for the majority of Americans because so few people own a significant amount of stock.
The average American suffered economic hardship throughout the 1930s, just as average Americans have continued to suffer economic hardship since 2008. As Americans dealt with privation and poverty in the late 1930s the coming global conflict was brewing. Animosities, prejudices and resentments, exacerbated by economic turmoil, stirred militaristic ambitions of hubristic rulers in Europe and Asia. The parallels with the current international dynamic are eerie. The exact timing of the chaotic dangerous portion of this Fourth Turning is uncertain, but it can’t be escaped.
“Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning the way you might today distance yourself from news, national politics, or even taxes you don’t feel like paying. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted. The Fourth Turning necessitates the death and rebirth of the social order. It is the ultimate rite of passage for an entire people, requiring a luminal state of sheer chaos whose nature and duration no one can predict in advance.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning
In Part 2 of this article I will examine the devolving global environment and the implications on markets and the course of this Fourth Turning.
Damn, now this is the Jim Quinn I’ve grown to know and love. There are none better. Can’t wait for the next installment.
Hey admin,
I would like to see a tabulation of the death toll for each 4th turning. I bet it goes up by an order of magnitude with each turning, forecasting a coming death toll in the billions. Jim, can you make that analysis happen?
Fairly east to estimate.
American Revolution – 50,000 deaths
Civil War – 700,000 deaths
WW II – 65 million deaths
A more accurate picture might be obtained by comparing population size vs deaths.
That question was answered years ago on the “company” run website deagel.com. They show the population of the United States in 2025 at only 54 million. Check it out:
http://www.deagel.com/country/United-States-of-America_c0001.aspx
America the beautiful, a few years from now, will be a toothless old hag. Whatever happens will be off the scale devastating. I’ve been a prepper for years mainly because it’s just a smart way to live. But this coming event, whatever it is, will take me out. Most of the missing 270 millions Americans will die and the rest will flee from a diseased, poisoned, irradiated, smashed, EMP or CME darkened, ruined continent.
Our government believes with all its (black) heart that this is a fait accompli. Remember, Deagel is an alphabet soup, military run site. And here’s a secret revealed by a few insiders, one of whom I knew, is that the elites have an unwritten rule that they must reveal their plans quietly ahead of time. I believe ’em. They’re salivating at the prospects of this Fourth Turning. Depopulation is real goal. If you can’t wrap your mind around it keep in mind this one absolute fact: They think of us as just a commodity. “We The People” are no different than corn, cattle or cotton. Sometimes you have to slash and burn a field to get a better yield.
Best be on the winning team.
Admin
While you’re at it, please also supply the names of the dead, how they died, their age at death, and the names of the next-of-kin. I’m working on a project. Can you make it happen?
The next-of-kin project. That’s funny Stucky!
Maybe you could get a couple of the bible thumpers to put in a good word with Jebus. There must be capricious list somewhere for all of that.
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I have of late been bled dry of contempt for the rot spreading through the modern world of fiat. The plotting of tracks and probabilities only makes the wait more unbearable.
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Having done all I can to prepare, I am now surprised that the spectacle of my indifference only rises the closer to the storm gets to shore.
Why this continued need to wait.
The Band is waiting on stage.
Time to pull back the curtain and…
The CIA already started the next of kin list with their plant of a NCO, ZUCKERBERG and Facebook ruse along with promoting the narcissistic behavior of taking selfies
In essence, socially conditioning the masses to give away their personal privacy forever!!
You’re an asshole. This was a brilliant piece of writing.
Of course it was brilliant.
My response was to Admin … BUT it was about “carnac the insignificant” … for asking Admin to do research that carnac could easily have done him/her self. I was just having a little fun.
Meanwhile just bend over, or get prepared, as admin stated, more bad is on the way.
BOHICA.
Ah, the delectable first reading complete and lots to think about over the evenings rest and the morning walk.
Thanks a LOT! AND, I get some syrup too.
I am really beginning to see some real evidence of how very robust systems become fragile very quickly when an entire group of people can be distracted from the ultimate dictator of what can and cannot be imitated and revised: Natural Law eventually wins.
Even if you have no interest, perhaps listen to at least a minute to each point of view to grasp what the issues really are and which are fictional clingers-on.
That’s a great open-minded look at what’s actually happening right now. I normally don’t comment on your articles until I’ve read them a few times, Jim. This one I get right away. And I don’t think anybody can answer your question. I think we’re just going to have to let things play out. There is a titanic battle of good and evil going on in the government of the United States right now. Who ends up winning? Us, or them? Great stuff. Look forward to part 2
The war between Good and evil is within each of us…
That includes political governmental national personal individual spiritual classical war it’s starts when a majority pulls the pin and fires first…
And on that note may I add:
◄ John 8:7 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
New Living Translation
They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!”
English Standard Version
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Berean Study Bible
When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, “Whoever is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her.”
Berean Literal Bible
But as they continued asking Him, having lifted Himself up, also He said to them, “The one sinless among you, let him cast the first stone at her.”
New American Standard Bible
But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”
King James Bible
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
When they persisted in questioning Him, He stood up and said to them, “The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her.”
International Standard Version
When they persisted in questioning him, he straightened up and told them, “Let the person among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
NET Bible
When they persisted in asking him, he stood up straight and replied, “Whoever among you is guiltless may be the first to throw a stone at her.”
New Heart English Bible
But when they continued asking him, he looked up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her.”
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But as they persisted asking him, he stood up and he said to them, “He among you who is without sin, let him first cast a stone upon her.”
GOD’S WORD® Translation
When they persisted in asking him questions, he straightened up and said, “The person who is sinless should be the first to throw a stone at her.”
New American Standard 1977
But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Jubilee Bible 2000
So when they continued asking him, he lifted himself up and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her.
King James 2000 Bible
So when they continued asking him, he lifted himself up, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
American King James Version
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
American Standard Version
But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Douay-Rheims Bible
When therefore they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them: He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Darby Bible Translation
But when they continued asking him, he lifted himself up and said to them, Let him that is without sin among you first cast the stone at her.
English Revised Version
But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Webster’s Bible Translation
So when they continued asking him, he raised himself, and said to them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Weymouth New Testament
When however they persisted with their question, He raised His head and said to them, “Let the sinless man among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”
World English Bible
But when they continued asking him, he looked up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her.”
Young’s Literal Translation
and when they continued asking him, having bent himself back, he said unto them, ‘The sinless of you — let him first cast the stone at her;’
Study Bible
The Woman Caught in Adultery
…6They said this to test Him, in order to have a basis for accusing Him. But Jesus bent down and began to write on the ground with His finger. 7When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, “Whoever is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her.” 8And again He bent down and wrote on the ground.…
Berean Study Bible · Download
Cross References
Deuteronomy 17:7
“The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Matthew 7:1
Do not judge, or you will be judged.
John 8:8
And again He bent down and wrote on the ground.
John 8:10
Then Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers? Has no one condemned you?”
Romans 2:1
You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
Treasury of Scripture
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
and said.
John 7:46 The officers answered, Never man spoke like this man.
Proverbs 12:18 There is that speaks like the piercings of a sword: but the tongue …
Proverbs 26:4,5 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him…
Jeremiah 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? said the LORD; and like a hammer that …
1 Corinthians 14:24,25 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believes not, or …
Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you …
Hebrews 4:12,13 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any …
Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went …
Revelation 2:16 Repent; or else I will come to you quickly, and will fight against …
Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it he should smite …
He that.
Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that …
Psalm 50:16-20 But to the wicked God said, What have you to do to declare my statutes, …
Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that you be not judged…
Matthew 23:25-28 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you make clean …
Romans 2:1-3,21-25 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are that judge: …
Queeran: “Dude, let’s go find some whores to stone.”
I deal with people one on one…
I don’t classify and compartamnetalize individuals into the groups they have affiliations with…
I have good friends who are Muslim, atheist, Christian, East Indian, Native Indian, French, Irish, Dutch, Negro, white, yellow or brown…
Rich or poor…
I avoid deceivers, liars, bullshiters and most of all sociapaths…
You either choose to do good works in your life or not…
I choose Good…
But I shall in a flutter of one eye lash kill anyone who threatens anyone I love with bodily harm…
I have God given rights and no man, nation or government can take my God given rights away me unless I cower and relent…
Not on my watch..
Cheers…
‘I have God given rights and no man, nation or government can take my God given rights away me unless I cower and relent…’
Bullshit – how you gonna stop armed government thugs stealing the fruits of your labour?
Have you gone to war with those stealing your rights – risking prison, wounding, torture, death, etc.?
You can’t even make up your mind which bible to use.
You yourself are a bullshitter. All fucking mouth!
yah…and didn’t even include the Geneva Bible…
“But I don’t have any doobies on me to share with them, Queeran!”
“and presently, the Virgin Mary, the mother of Christ, went forth and picked up a colossal stone and began pummeling the harlot.” Jesus was heard to say…..”Aah Mom!”
Been telling that one for fifty years and haven’t been struck dead…yet.
“Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either — but right through every human heart — and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains … an unuprooted small corner of evil.
Since then I have come to understand the truth of all the religions of the world: They struggle with the evil inside a human being (inside every human being). It is impossible to expel evil from the world in its entirety, but it is possible to constrict it within each person.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
The Brashness of Youth gives way to the Reason of Age.
The Kingdom of God is a form of government, not a religion.
We are in a period of grace, being given opportunity to cease our individual rebellion. It will not last as long as most seem to expect.
“Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the hearts of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.”
I used to think this was only talking about evil people. Now I realize it is not.
Au Contraire! The ‘Kingdom of God’ is NOT a form of government. It was a phrase used to convey inclusiveness of the human family within the Mind of the Creative Force we call God.
Man has a propensity to describe reality in view of his own personal beliefs. It’s a form of Personification. We think in terms of government because that is what we know. It is what we believe in and, therefore, a part of our experience which we extrapolate onto God.
I believe that God is different and more than we can ever know. I believe it is God’s desire to reveal Himself to us. I guess you have to have a starting point, so, calling ‘The Kingdom of God” a form of government is acceptable to me and less turmoil for immature perceptions.
Four things needed for a Kingdom:
1. A king
2. Law
3. Territory
4. Citizens
I didn’t call it a Kingdom, He did.
The point is religions are man made. Until we give up on trying to improve on perfection, things are not going to change.
“Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”
“And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.”
messanicdruid, four things you need for a kingdom, I say, so what.
When you are talking to a child, you talk in terms that the child can understand. If I talk to you about Quantum Entanglement, I can just see your eyes glaze over and jaw drop because it is way above your knowledge base.
Jesus and the writers of the Old Testament spoke in terms that was understandable to the common man. It’s not that what was said, was untrue, but a more elementary concept in a growing, expansive understanding of the Truth.
God is Consciousness, a Spiritualness. What is the ‘territory’ of consciousness? God wishes you to be a co-companion with Him. He has given you free will, which means you have the ability to choose. What king grants that right? It is in fact the opposite.
There are laws, yes. Like the Law of Attraction, like begets like or the Law of Karma, you experience what you create, especially what you create in the lives of others, but these laws are a manifestation of God’s Love not edicts laid down to be ruthlessly followed by a vengeful god. A manifestation of water is wetness. Wetness is inseparable from water in the same way God’s ‘laws’ are inseparable from God’s Love. In truth God and Love are synonyms like automobile and car are synonyms for the same physical expression. The Great Creative Force is God, is Love. It is Love that brought all that is, into being.
Naw. The Kingdom of God is allegorical.
If the kingdom of God is allegorical, then why did ALL the disciples believe it was literal?
Don’t tell me they were dumb. They spent 3 years with Jesus.
There are hundreds of verses about the kingdom. Some are allegorical. Some are literal. Many can go either way.
If you want to put all your eggs in one basket, fine. But, be aware of the other baskets.
“…but these laws are manifestations of God’s Love, not edicts laid down by a vengeful god.”
We are not [ yet ] on the same page.
https://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/the-ten-commandments/introduction/
What the fuck is wrong with you??
How about you post the entire bible … in 23 versions … for your next trick?
Had 2 or 3 witnesses come forward as prescribed with the man in tow willing to testify, she would have been stoned. It is not sinless men who can judge or there would be no justice. Get off the feel good Christianity kick. She was guilty and he had the power to condemn her. Would have too if it was done according to the Law.
Nice point.
Mercy triumphes over justice.
She was being used for political purposes. Their attempt to incriminate Jesus blew up in a heir face because they had no real interest in justice.
angel
sometimes good fights good….
A lot of reading there! What Jesus said was this: “Let he who has not lain with this woman cast
the first stone.” This has more impact. People take sinfulness with a ‘grain of salt’. Think of your own sins. How badly does it really bother you, even if you do recognize them. I thought so.
The verse using the word ‘sinfulness’ evades the personal responsibility one must bear for ones actions. Jesus reminded them of their culpability.
The problem with the literal reading of the bible is that it truncates thoughtful reasoning. I’m not suggesting that the bible is all allegory for some of it is literal. I’m saying just use your brain and personal experiences as a standard of reference in judging truth and not rely on thoughtless belief especially other’s beliefs. That goes doubly for my writing, too.
Great writing again, thanks.
So I’m visiting with one of my high school age granddaughters a couple weeks ago, asking her about school. She responds that one of her favorite classes was “Trends”, or something like that. “So what do you learn in Trends?” I ask…”Well, current events, and what is happening in the world”. On further inquiry, of course in school they had never discussed The Fourth Turning, nor had my granddaughter ever heard of The Fourth Turnings. I gave my brief 15 minute rundown of the book, and how important I thought it was. Later in the evening she was on line researching The Fourth Turning. I asked if she would like the book, and yes, she would. So I sent the book when I got home, and am anxious to discuss it next time I see her.
The above article, in my view, will make for a great starting point for a Fourth Turning Discussion with her.
Tried to donate!
Why does pay pal require phone number and email???
It won’t accept a bullshit phone number and email…
Do you have any other option as in a place to email transfer from my email to yours…
PayPal can fuck right off…
Thanks
There’s a hundred US available if given another option to donate…
Thanks
Mail it to him. The address is Jim Quinn – P.O. Box 1520, Kulpsville, PA 19443
Merci!
Aka
Thanks
I mail my gifts to JQ with a bottle of Qianta and some fava beans.
Mostly, just granola. You guys been paying attention to postage rates?
Chianti, you maroon.
EC
You are right… that’s what looked so not right about that. I am a moran, though, not a maroon.
Quianta … that is probably that Australian airline with the Koala bear, isn’t it?
That’s Qantas Mags…….nice try though.
Qantas never crashed._____Rainman
Well, Apollo 11 didn’t land on the moon, I don’t think either.
Great article, Jim, and I’ll post both parts on SLL.
Nice that nine more people will get to read the article.
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Enlightenment begins with a single mind. If nine minds receive Jim Quinn’s enlightenment, the world will be a better place than if they hadn’t.
I never thought informing Jim that I think enough of his columns to post them on my web site would lead to such a snide comment. It’s no surprise that such a loser would hide behind anonymity, not wanting anyone to know who he or she is. We can certainly understand why.
What is even sadder than the comment is the fact that someone gave it a thumbs up.
I’m the one who voted up.
I was happy to see at least one other person (seemingly) tired of the constant self promotion.
“I’m putting it up on my website.”
Whoopty Fucken Doo! Getting Gore’s stamp of approval … something all bloggers strive for … the ultimate sign of making it big.
It reeks of smugness and arrogance, imho.
We have others here with websites. It’s nice to know, and appreciated. But, no one else constantly piggy-backs like he does, and then gets all butt-hurt when it’s pointed out.
That’s just my opinion and I don’t give a rat’s ass if anyone doesn’t like it.
Hey Stuck, since you NEVER seem to give a rat’s ass, have you been collecting them? Are they piling up on you? Where do you keep them all? Enquiring minds want to hear all about it! LOL
Yeah Stucky I have to agree with you. Everybody here needs to be kicked in the ballz every once in while. Gore included. Though in his defense he has to self promote because he is, unlike us, trying to make a livin’ from writing.
Fourth turning junkie reporting for duty.
Right before bed. I echo what Maggie said, thanks a lot.
REALLY! Much thanks as I have no one else to talk about this subject with.
Cycles…ever notice you have them in your own life as well? Sometimes you repeat the same fight with your spouse or child over and over until you change how you deal with the problem?
Have a pleasant evening!
Mary Christine, if you have not delved into the archives here to read more of Admin’s 4th Turning Articles and some of the best banter between smartasses of the highest order with a few adults running the place in a sort of masculine territorial way. Since you seem to be a woman like me, you will be amused by the trash talk and not offended. If you are offended, then it is best I know NOW before I drive an hour or so out of my way to meet you.
Haha! The difference between real women and men. The guys didn’t do any of this pre-meeting work. They didn’t pursue the diplomatic exchange in a non-conflictual way.
Maggie I have read all of his 4th T posts at least once but didn’t dive into the comments too deeply until I was in the hospital.
If I was easily offended I would ignore Stucky completely but he’s too funny to ignore.
I always pop in before a meal and have to check out to attend to domestic duties. I’ll work through them if you think it’s amusing.
All well and good. Just not sure how much more of this shit show I can tolerate. Found myself jealous of some guy who posted (here today) that he had just moved to Colombia. Colombia for Pete’s sake!
What irritates me more than anything these days is being around genuinely nice people who are completely ignorant of the entire con game going on around them. I still feel bad about the woman I made cry because I told her Trump was going to win (before he got elected). I’m not that kind of guy, I swear! I like people, esspecially nice, polite people. But I just can’t tolerate the ignorance/naivete anymore. I’m going to end up turning into some sort of recluse before this thing is over….
I guess we should thank God (or at least J Quinn) this place is here… I’d probably be an alcholic by now if it wasn’t.
Their ignorance should not be reflect unto you life and soul…
Those are the ignorant issues you should not allow their ignorance to affect a millisecond of your life…
You deserve better from yourself…
Don’t let their ignorance cloud your well being with ignorance of your own…
Never give up
Anger leads to danger for you!
I hope I helped in some round about way …
God willing…
“Those are the ignorant issues you should not allow their ignorance to affect a millisecond of your life…”
More bullshit from Angel. The dummass ignorant elect governments with armed thugs affecting my life.
catfish keep on judging…
FM,
I agree. I thought I was becoming someone else. There really are truly sheeple out there. Genuinely very nice people that literally have zero clue what’s going on. Like when I was 12 and completely ignorant of politics and the media and the corrupt politicians etc etc….really makes me angry they can be that naive or just head in the snd stupid….
FM – You’re not alone. I work with so many youngsters, under 40 yrs, they have no clue. When you attempt to have a discussion they have no argument other than what they have been fed by MSM. When you disassemble their confidently expressed reasoning with proof and hard facts, they become indignant and cuss at you.
The turning is indeed slow, painfully so. Would rather be on the other side of this 4th turning and in the rebuilding phase.
Blue, I fully understand your frustration. So many people in this country are completely blinded by the continual propaganda they have been fed for so many decades.
One thing that has truly made me less frustrated with the way things are, is to practice living in the moment. If we think about it, the moment is all we are given. The past is gone and the future hasn’t arrived. We are only fully alive in the Now. This very present moment is all we have. So what are we doing with that moment?
It seems the more I contemplate the “dark” future of mayhem, chaos, and destruction; the more I find myself distracted from the very important duties and privileges of everyday life that are wrapped up in intimate moment by moment living.
We really have no way of predicting our individual futures. We may get hit by a bus tomorrow, or mugged and murdered in a blind alley a year from now. By worrying about how we might check out of this life and when, robs us of the moment by moment hopes we should be focusing on.
Having said that, that doesn’t mean we should not be aware of the dangers and pitfalls of the society in which we live. Warning others and taking action where we can to reverse the madness should be our responsibility, but allowing the whole mess to color our productivity, joy, and hopeful personal interactions should be shunned as much as possible. I’m not implying your comment insinuated you weren’t focusing on the moment, just realizing just how important it is to do so to maintain sanity.
What a great comment. I am also trying to stay and enjoy the present moments. Easier said than done though. However, I might slightly disagree with you on one point, sometimes thinking about but not obsessing about death or misfortune can cause you to enjoy the present moment more. See the Stoic idea of negative visualization.
I’m a pessimist. The United States is an old and no longer cohesive nation. The Anglo Saxon nation of the 18th, 19th and first half of the 20th century is gone. Manifest Destiny to seize and settle the continent was achieved and great national endeavors like the Panama Canal, the Interstate Highway System and the Moon Landings are over. We are too indebted to undertake any great new initiative and half the nation sees only racism and male privilege even where there is private success and the other half, with good reason, views the success of the FANGS with suspicion. About the only thing both sides might agree on is the confiscation of this private wealth as there is no legitimate reason to allow personal fortunes of such stupendous size.
* I note even the feudal Saudi Arabia has decided it has had enough of billionaire princes and their retainers looting the wealth of that nation and a little over a century ago Teddy Roosevelt broke up the private fortunes of the Gilded Age. How long before someone, maybe Trump himself, says Bezos, Buffett, Gates, Ellison we don’t mind you being rich but fortunes of $50 billion plus have no place in a democratic society.
The draft will unite both sides
The moon landings – oh no – here we go – 1-2-3-
“There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.”
– Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov
Finally! Seems like it’s been a while as this article is the exact reason I came here and sought “fourth turning” info! Great job JQ.
Classic Kwinn….Awesome stuff, JQ….I wonder about what youth will be taught about 2008 in 25, 50, 75 or 100 years from now…not that history would be revised..Thank God Obama saved us… ha..
While reading this I was reminded of the Norman Cousins quote:
“Hope is independent of the apparatus of logic.”
Which, in turn, reminded me of what the poet/philosopher, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, once said:
“And in today already walks tomorrow.”
Ironically, it was Coleridge who also coined the term Suspension of Disbelief. Funny how the mind works.
It does feel unbearably slow, but things seem to be percolating behind the curtain. One is curious if one will survive the shitstorm. I do wish the great leaders of this world could mention the word war without putting “nuclear” in front of it.
I thought I have enough Preps…but after I read this…I made yet another list.
Another great Fourth Turning article. I can only shake my head in agreement while reading through the whole thing.
As the right coast sleeps the left coast eats another candy bar left from Halloween. I can’t believe Strauss and Howe scheduled the super bowl of shit storms to start now. Sure as hell I’ll have to pay full admission price and I won’t be able to stay for the end game. My last birthday icon was dirt and next years will be fossil. My mama told me I was born under a bad moon. No, maybe she said in a private room, ah, she mumbled. No matter. Thanks Admin, but do what you can to get this show on the road. I missed the third turn entirely and will never live it down if I miss this one. Uncola is losing it too, he’s quoting the quarterback for the Redskins.
Funny how the mind works.
The “Unbearable Slowness” of this Fourth Turning can also be an opportunity to prepare. A cabin on a lake in western Ontario (with only fly-in access) would be ideal, but obviously not realistic for most of us. Regardless, everyone should be thinking about a Plan B. Just have somewhere safe to go to if everything suddenly goes tits-up. Seriously. Having a small cache of essentials stored at the location is cheap insurance. If you fear that your family will think that you’re a paranoid nut, then don’t tell them about it for now. But prepare nonetheless.
Wonderfully written, but to borrow O’Reilly’s comment concerning Mr. Murphy’s Law, Strauss and Howe are optimists.
Let’s also add to this litany of events covered in this fine article the Las Vegas massacre. Most everyone who’s not been living under a rock for the past several months knows that this is the most bizarre and perplexing event to have ever occurred in this nation’s history. After a month and a half no reasonable motive for the supposed shooter has been proffered. Some YouTubers have posted videos from concert goers cell phones revealing, they claim, that there was clearly a second automatic weapon firing off from a lower level floor of the Mandalay Bay structure. Lawyers who are representing victims’ families, or those who were only injured or traumatized in the incident are not getting any cooperation from the state or federal agencies involved in investigating this massacre. Lawyers, who visited the site of the concert discovered anomalies regarding the venue map’s exit points didn’t match what was found there the next day or so; fences blocked many of the exits. The chaos and slow response from the Las Vegas police and county sheriffs was not only embarrassing, but a fiasco by today’s emergency response standards. Changing timelines, videos coming from business owners capturing a couple of guys dragging a dead person’s body into the business’s parking lot and left for roughly 45 minutes before police arrive are disturbing, to say the least. Then, there’s the security guard, Campos, who has clearly been carefully manged by MGM who owns the company that broadcasts the Ellen DeGeneres Show where he was interviewed with “softball” questions from her; causing suspicion that MGM is making sure incriminating remarks don’t get out to the press. It’s being predicted by some lawyers that n0 details on the investigation’s findings will be released until next April! Just one more example of just how weird things are getting as we approach the next unexpected event to come along and throw us for a loop.
Las Vegas was a criminal act, a perplexing one, but a murderous criminal act. I doubt the ‘conspiracy’ theories of there being multiple shooters but, a month and half later, every bullet recovered from every victim should have been matched with every gun in Paddock’s hotel room. If any recovered bullet did not match a gun from Paddock’s room then we have a problem.
While the confusion over the timeline was regrettable the public understands a police chief trying to be forthcoming can make a mistake. What they don’t understand and resent is an FBI swooping in and shutting down ALL information about the shooting and turning a heretofore publicly available police chief into a Stepford wife spewing words clearly not his own.
At another level, if this is the ‘quality’ of the work we get from law enforcement over a horrible mass casualty event, what are people to think of the more mundane government announcements on unemployment and inflation rates? As I noted earlier the public can understand mistakes. The Air Force admitted to a major one in the matter of the Texas church gunman. What the public cannot accept but what it is being continuously subjected to is being kept in the dark or lied to and that seems to be the default setting of the FBI!
Very good points, Unit472/!
I recently watched a video (unfortunately, can’t remember the guy’s name now), but he said the Saudi prince was meeting with someone from the executive branch, maybe even Trump himslef, during the Vegas shooting, and the prince was the target, or possible both. One of the helicopters picked up the prince and his entourage from one of the hotels. There were also Saudi soldiers on the airport tarmac, where gunshots were reportedly fired. An administration plane was also on the tarmac.
If I remember the guy’s name, I’ll post a link to the video. It was several days ago.
maybe it will be the millennials that will hold it up and bring it down for
a soft landing? so so many people know we are purposely being divided and
therefore, are not paying attention to the noise anymore. they may appear to be asleep but I bet many just don’t give a shit and are not interested in learning how this game of life has been rigged.
http://www.businessinsider.com/book-steve-bannon-is-obsessed-with-the-fourth-turning-2017-2
slow because it’s considered a pseudoscience by many?
The pseudoscience that prepared America for Steve Bannon’s apocalyptic message:
https://qz.com/970646/the-world-has-already-bought-into-steve-bannons-apocalyptic-ideology/
I got fuckin’ taxes to pay. Mr. Quinn – I wish it would come to that end with the mushroom cloud quickly. No greying and getting old and wrinkly for me please.
I had just re-read the Clint Eastwood movie/Fourth Turning trilogy you wrote a few years back- one of your best- when you posted this.
Keep beating the drum, sooner or later everyone joins the dance.
Came across this line from a link posted above in a NYT article that made me laugh.
“Scientists who actually study social change find the work of Strauss and Howe dubious.
“Social/demographic historians would agree that one can distinguish ‘generations’… but would be skeptical of ideas like cycles…”
Yeah, the idea of cycles is crazy talk, at least to scientists who actually study social change.
The hubris, it burns.
I just recommended Mary Christine find and enjoy the archives while they are here available to download to PDF or whatever you want to save somewhere for reading. There is something crisply clean about your writing style, JQ, something that wafts into the senses of those of us standing far from your perspective on many things and on many levels and far outside our peripheral vision something begins to form. The idea that you and I are speaking the same language in a world beginning to babble.
If you understand what I mean, say “amen.”
I’m downwind and what’s wafting over isn’t so sweet-smelling; molesters and cross-dressers and yoboists, oh my!
EC
Well, at least you caught the drift.
I dunno, I’ve been a 4th Turning believer for years and years, but my confidence is a bit shaken. I’ve sort of felt like the whole country was falling apart for practically my whole life. 2008 hardly seems like the turning point. It seemed huge at the time, but now it seems merely like one of an ever-increasing series of outrages and disasters. It’s not like swells at sea where you can time it and figure 3 smalls, then a large, then three more smalls, or something. Somehow, it always seems like the next disaster is worse than the last. If a baby gets tossed in a dumpster this week, next week a baby will be fed to pit bulls. The week after, a baby gets jammed into a blender for crying too much. And the week after that, the whole apartment is torched for the same reason.
I’ve been expecting the S to H The F for so long, I’m starting to lose faith in my assumptions.
It is definitely a forest for the trees issue. We’ve become inured to outrageous behavior and villainy so that nothing seems to be enough to warrant calling it what it is: societal collapse. I know it’s not historical, but was Soddom and Gommorah humming along just fine before it was smote? The wreckage was simply the relief valve blowing off.
The book is called the DECLINE and fall of the Roman Empire for a reason. The larger and more complex something is the more inertia it has both keeping it going (like a flywheel) as well as in coming apart.
We have an interesting view because we’ve been expecting this, but as with any other natural event it has its own time.
A watched pot never boils.
I compare it to a supertanker, which can take miles to come to a full stop.
But can you imagine if it never collapses, but merely drags somehow from year to year and just gets worse and worse? Like a slowwww grind to entropy.
HSF you would like James Rickard’s last book . “Road to Ruin”
On a related note, I’m considering moving to Idaho near Pocatello. Does anyone know anything about that area? I would appreciate anything you can tell me.
I’m from Pocatello. I live here. What do you want to know.
Is there any Gay Bars there? Will my gayness be accepted among the general population?
More to the point is whether my hetero outlook will be accepted anywhere visa is accepted. The little trickle that began with Hurricane Harv (not Richardson) has turned into a witch hunt. Anybody caught packing will be hounded into submission. YoBo will be ok, he’s got silicone spheres. Tiny ones.
Oh, ok, sorry – he’s got one real one and one fake.
EC
GilbertS says:
November 14, 2017 at 2:53 pm
“Is there any Gay Bars there? Will my gayness be accepted among the general population?”
Really? Projecting a bit much, aren’t you?
Good jobs are hard to find. As for your being a homosexual we are pretty much live and let live. As long as you don’t force it on others you should be fine. There is only one homosexual bar in town that I’m aware of.
The climate is semi arid. Low humidity, cold in the winter and hot in the summer.
I don’t know if you were serious about being homosexual or not, but my answer still stands.
Harv, one of the local wankers was doppling Gilbert’s. I thought it was funny. If anybody has taken HF’s “What’s So Funny?” seminar, they know that wildly unfair claims are funny, when you hit too close to the truth, it’s tragedy.
EC
Being a newbie here, I am not familiar with how the people here interact with each other and their thought processes. Given time I will have a handle on it..
I can usually tell when folks are serious or simply joking or maybe being sarcastic over at ANP. Because I have been there awhile.
ANP is all news pipeline and I highly recommend it.
They’re just fuckin’ with ya, Harv and Gilbert. Hit back hard when necessary. El Coyote is a long-time troll here who has become loved for his wit and intelligence. He’s an L.A. beaner (with some Texas background, which gives him a bit of street-cred with the Rednecks here).
My advice to Gilbert: Don’t up-and-move to anywhere you haven’t visited multiple times. And have an exit plan in the case that it doesn’t work out. Never go “all-in” with a relocation. That can be difficult if you don’t have significant financial resources. Whatever you decide to do, just be cautious. I sincerely wish you the best in your quest for a better location to live.
One more thing: IMHO, the best-kept secret of great places to live in the U.S. is Wisconsin.
I’m from the East Coast, used to live in the Panhandle. I get the impression it’s much drier than the Sandpoint area was.
I’m curious to know how you like the weather, the local economy, and pretty much anything you can tell me.
Thank you!
You’ll be very close to the Yellowstone super volcano in Idaho.
Yes, but depending on which source you consult, there’s a 10% chance it will explode any time soon, geologically speaking. Also, either it will be an instant roasting, and it won’t matter, or we’ll have sufficient warning to evacuate and the eruptions are projected to span a series of weeks, not 1 single apocalyptic blast. SO I think I’m willing to roll the dice on that one.
The next 7 or 8 years are going to be interesting. The Swamp is morphing now into a new political party. Make a list and be prepared to act when the time is here.
For those interested, I found an audio download of Antifragile which I am listening to off and on right now with approved headphones that are guaranteed to not scare away deer while I listen and think about the indications around me defining my environment: Are we Robust or are we Fragile, and if fragile, how might we become more anti-fragile?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80f2eneJ6EU
I’m serious about feeling more people would benefit from bending their minds around the theory’s presentation of how the concept of fragile versus antifragile systems can be considered in a spiraling sort of way; economic leads to political leads to history leads to science leads to psychobabble leads to religion and the next thing you grasp is that this guy has managed to make you cross that bridge between segmented realms (what if math really is related to art and poetry? What is a song if not math and poetry together?) where great thinkers go to quit considering other points of view.
I’m off to check the Fragility of the ecosystem here regarding the hunt for the prince of november.
Apropos of nothing, but it just popped into my head.
I actually met some of those types when I was on a trip in Canada. Nick, my husband, grew up around Cleveland, so loves boating on lakes.
One year after Trump’s rhetorical war on elites produced a shocking electoral victory, the president still talks and tweets like a populist, promising lower taxes, better health care and terrific infrastructure for hardworking families. But it is now possible to evaluate Trump’s policy priorities based on more than his words. And a review of his executive orders, personnel picks, budget choices and regulatory actions, as well as the legislation he has backed from the White House, show that he has mostly governed as a corporatist, siding with big businesses, wealthy individuals and the Republican establishment on almost every domestic issue. His agenda has neatly fit the playbook of the K Street lobbyists and conservative ideologues he attacked and mocked last year on the campaign trail, pushing to slash funding for nursing homes and student loans, gut rules protecting workers from toxic chemicals, and cut taxes for the rich.
Trump touts his tax reforms as the biggest middle-class tax cut ever, but independent analysts say nearly half the benefits in the House Republican bill would go to the top 1 percent of taxpayers, while tens of millions of middle-class families would actually see their taxes go up. He campaigned on a pledge to protect Medicaid from cuts, but as president he’s pushed health care bills and budget plans that would have cut Medicaid by well over $1 trillion. His long-promised trillion-dollar infrastructure bill has yet to materialize. Trump also promised a war on financial elites, accusing Wall Street in general and Goldman Sachs in particular of bleeding the country dry, but he has stocked his administration with Wall Street veterans—and installed Goldman alumni as his Treasury secretary, top economic adviser, deputy national security adviser and chief strategist. His top Wall Street regulator is a former attorney for Goldman and the husband of a Goldman wealth manager.
Alas, poor deluded Michael Griswold. Never heard from again.
Get this through your pea-brain, Mikey, this is Trumpland – inhabited by rabid Trumpeteers and killer squirrels. We don’t like your kind. Please shut up. I don’t want to hear it. Nada nada nada nada nada nada, lalalalalalalalala..
You think he’ll fall for it, Bea?
EC
I remember the wife of a federal employee claiming her husbands retirement could never be touched because he earned it ! I said is the funds 100% in his name she said no it’s what the government owes him when he retires he earned it . Again I pressed where is the money now ? She did not know ! I said you do realize the only way government pensions can be paid is by taxing and confiscating wealth from the rest of America who have been cheated out of their retirement or printing money to fulfill the promise with inflated worthless paper . Her response was he earned it !
This exchange was at a tea party rally in Annopolis a few blocks away from Maryland’s den of thieves and a few miles from DC .
Not once did I ever dispute he should recieve what was promised she just couldn’t get that he should not get his by stealing everyone else’s !
I will be in the bunker with the woodford reserve on the rocks , if anyone cares to join me !
The funny thing about the agonizing slowness that we are seem to be noticing is that there are two responses we can choose. We can choose to wish things would hurry up and be resolved one way or the other, sorta like just ripping off a bandage instead of slowly peeling it off your skin. This is path seems to be my inclination, but it puts me in a position of essentially rooting for the destruction of society as we know it. The other path is one of gratitude where we realize there is only so much time available for us before whatever climatic event occurs and instead of wishing for it to arrive sooner, we take the time we have to make preparations, spend time with loved ones, enjoy the life that we have while we have it. Although we find ourselves living in a world gone mad maybe we should try to spend more energy being in the now instead of looking forward to some unavoidable bleak future.
That’s wisdom speaking. It never rings hollow.
Really first class top shelf article on Fourth Turning Admin. For what it’s worth, you article got posted on Steve Quayle’s website.
Yes, years ago in my searching for info on 4th Turning’s lead me to TBP and the easy way Admin can take a complex subject turn it into _______ (fill in the blank) For Dummies.
It always amazed me when commenters would wish for this crisis to hurry up and get here. I guess I understand that if a 4th Turning can not be avoided it may as well hurry up and get here, I guess…..
I really fear though, what we may face globally and amongst ourselves. I’m trying very hard not to get caught up in the manufactured media reporting and try to identify what is real hate and manufactured hate.
As if that will be a worry if the leaders of this world decides to blow itself up. Goddam, I think I’m having heart palpitations….I hope I don’t die alone in my fucking office chair.
It moves slowly because it is not just an American Turning, or a European Turning.
This is global. When it crescendos in war you can bet your bacon its going to reorganize the geopolitical lines yet again.
I wish the pace would quicken.
I’m tired of rotating mags and the effort / expense of keeping my powder from becoming rancid.
I hope it continues to be slow before the probably fast, because I’m not ready yet. I still have supplies to buy, things to study. And pay cuts aren’t helping. But I think money will become tighter for a lot of people before things really start going south.
It’s been posited that the life span of empires is some 200 to 250 years, beginning with self sacrifice and conquest and ending with disintegration, decadence and selfishness. This occurring over some ten generations.
This 4th turning could very well be coinciding with the end of the America empire, a cycle within a cycle. It’s said the stages that empires go through are quite predictable, but what is not predictable is how the collapse manifests itself.
I lot of people left Rome/Italy during it’s slow decline. I hope that doesn’t happen to America.
2025? lol aint nuthin gonna change by then. We’ll be at $40 trillion in national debt, healthcare will cost $2000 a month with $17k deductible, tuition will cost $70k a year, everyone in the bottom 99% will be busted ass broke as more and more money gets printed and given to the rich, and no one will do a damn thing about it. WTF kind of fourth turning is that?
Most of us will be “renting” a self driving car for $500 a month just to commute to and from work. Instead of paying for a car for $500x12x5 months and being able to drive wherever we want, we will pay the same amount of money just to have our bare minimum transportation needs met. A new car will cost $40k minimum so most people will be priced out of ownership. And yet they will say that inflation is only 1% so even more money needs to be printed. This isnt a goddam fourth turning, it is just a perpetual rape of the sheeple who will keep voting for more and more of it.
“healthcare will cost $2000 a month with $17k deductible”
Passed that milestone a year ago. Count your blessings.
Great article, almost missed it. I echo the hurry up and get here/enjoy the time that’s left comments, but wonder if someone, somewhere has developed the divine algorithm that will keep this train wreck from ever going off the tracks? What concerns me is the ol’ the bigger they are the harder they fall retort; it seems the longer the wait is the more horrific the consequences will be that we will have to survive.
When I wrote my essay about “The Changing of the Guard”, it was with the fourth turning in mind.
There are several possibilities of what the actual trigger will be and I think that the globalists maneuvering the US into a war with Iran are possibly one of them.
I also tried my best to get some information of a part of the ‘proven’ natural gas resources of the US. I used the 2016 published figures in my essay, but I’m not sure if I believe them.
In my business with the oil and gas industry, I deal primarily with what is called downstream – the refineries and chemical plants. I have very little contact or connections with upstream – drilling and exploration.
BUT
I am active in several engineering groups here including two local ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers) and the Houston chapter of the VI (Vibration Institute). In fact, I am on the board of the local VI chapter.
Some of these members do have direct work with upstream and they have been telling me for the past few years that the reported US natural gas reserves are being vastly understated. Some say by as much as 500%.
If true, that changes the dynamic of the amount that controlling the natural gas resources of Russia, the US, Iran, and Qatar to something like 80+%.
That’s more than just the controlling interest. That is to control both the allocation of these resources worldwide and perhaps even more importantly, to who they are NOT allocated to.
With the globalists already controlling the narrative against coal, and most oil-based products, that would leave natural gas and renewable energy as the only sources to produce electricity. Renewables are not yet cost effective and likely will not be for quite some time. Nuclear climbs, but not enough to change the dynamic.
That leaves natural gas the primary source to produce our electricity. Control that and you control it all.
If anyone here at TBP has any access to information about the actual ‘proven’ natural gas resources in the US please share them with me. I would very much like to pursue this.
Steve C.
Spring, Texas
Holy shite Steve…….Finally someone here that understands what is going on. I have been trying to tell these guys for several years that natural gas is the next biggy. The USA!USA!USA! will be a major exporter of LNG as we are silly with the stuff.
LNG powering fuel cells will be the way electricity is produced in the future. Private homes will use NG to produce power from fuel cells.
Also, please share info on vibration, that is lost knowledge that was in use 2000 years ago including medicine.
Thanks to fracking the US is already a major exporter of LNG.
I suspect that how much we have is being under reported.
And the Vibration Institute that I belong to is probably not what you are thinking.
We are a collection of mechanical nerds that in our local chapters have monthly meetings with presenters going over case studies and calculating spring constants and all of that exciting stuff.
Think those pocket protector guys. That’s us.
If you have an interest though here is the link to the national website:
It takes a nerd.
Steve C.
Spring, Texas
TPC, I’m afraid you’re right. This is not just an Amerikan Fourth Turning. It’s global. Here in Canada, brainless Libtards elected Justin ‘Jihadi’ Truedope’s federal government and liberal and socialist provincial governments that are hastening this country’s demise.
Very excellent article, Admin. The power and economy of your words is breathtaking!
I cheer that the unbearable slowness gives us more time to prepare, but I fear that the great mass of naïve and clueless sheep will overwhelm us in the end.
The three 4th turnings in U.S. history have led to more government in our lives. I worry that the next 4th turning could usher in that dreaded One World Government, since i believe, as do others, the whole world will be included in the next 4th turning. With all the world’s banks connected and dependent on each other it’s to be expected.
For once, I would like to see a reversal and end up with less government in our lives. Maybe the fourth time is a charm, like a lucky 4-leaf clover. Let’s hope, anyway.
Jim, can you confirm the PO Box 1520 posted above is your actual address? I want to send you a check…
My mail does go to that PO Box.
$50 in the mailbox this morning headed your way. Keep up the good fight… Chip
“Has the exiting corrupt social order successfully retained their power, control and influence over the masses by manipulating the levers of society and fending off their demise? ”
A good question, it appears to me, that this battle is raging, right now. With each passing day Trump secures his position, digs in deeper, makes ‘deals’, positions personnel and becomes harder to dislodge.
Look at ISIS, fuckin done, obliterated, very little talk of this, if any.
Look at the Kingdom, clearly paradigm shifting events taking place right now.
I am certain Trump’s Asia trip was a big deal in ways we are not fully aware of yet.
The legacy of the Bush, Clinton, and Obama crime families combined with various Establishment satellites, is on the ropes. The smell of desperation is in the air.
Trump has proven more effective and resilient than expected, the gloves must come off, his power is becoming consolidated.
In our Global setting, Americas fourth, Fourth Turning will most certainly be domestic and global, as that is the nature of the key participants power, likely fought with fourth generation warfare, occurring on so many fronts there will be no front.
Stay low, move fast.
If we had an AG with some balls we might see more heat on the Bush, Clinton, and Obama crime families; Soros too.
I think the previous 4th turning began in 1914.
1929
World War I was not conclusive. It was nothing but a prelude to WW II.
It was pretty conclusive for the Russian, Austro-Hungarian and Turkish Empires. The Versailles Treaty changed the world forever (and not in a good way). While Germany may have risen to fight another day, WW1 changed everything. WW2 changed nothing but merely accelerated what was already reality outside of the far east.
Nothing was resolved. The Versailles Treaty created the dynamic for the next war. WW II had clear winners and losers. There was no doubt. There hasn’t been a conclusive war since. But there will be in the not too distant future.
In 1914, women wore corsets, boots, hats with ostrich feathers and nary an ankle was ever shown. In 1924, women wore thin knee length cotton dresses and no undergarments except panties. SSS would have been shocked at the public display of nipplage.
Zara, I believe the 20’s have been compared to the 60’s as far as youth rebellion and descent into deviancy are concerned. The women wore stockings, and underclothes as well. It was just more comfortable and freeing than the older corsets and petticoats. Hemlines never really rose above they knee. They went up and down from several inches above the ankle to just below the knee. The swim suits were a bit scandalous.
“However another myth of the 1920’s is of women abandoning corsets completely. Long-line elasticated smooth corsets replaced the old laced affairs of the previous decade and doubly served to enhance the tubular look which women wished to achieve. These newer synthetic corsets also sported zips down the side. The one-piece camisole replaced the old cotton chemise and were now made in silks, cut low to wear under evening dresses.”
Not that you and anyone really cares..
WW1 did mark a great turning for the British Empire.
World War 2 ending just synced the curtain call with the coming American Century.
It’s possible that not all countries have the same generational turnings in the same years. At least that’s what I got when I read the books “Generations” and “The Fourth Turning.”
RE: The Bush, Clinton, and Obama crime families… etc…
These controlling forces appear to be a passing fashion from my point of view. They will be used as long as the masses respond to the brand. When the brand fades, they will be discarded by the power base and thrown under the bus to be replaced by a new brand. Should be fun to watch, but no more noteworthy in the end than my Gloria Vanderbilt jeans.
As for me, I am a Lurker in the 1st degree. I have never commented on this or any site and quite likely will not again. Why do I lurk? I suppose I am in search of any evidence to support my sanity, or at least the hope that I am not alone in my insanity. My family continues to crack with the society. I find less in common with most everyone around me every day. I hide this truth from my son, who I am currently putting through college with the fiat scrap that is still under my control. I figure I might as well spend it on something of my choosing. Besides, maybe it will work out for him, and prove my discontent meaningless in the end. I would like that.
The worst of it is not the thought that we are probably much like farmed cattle. There will always be power in this life. The worst is the futility of the everyday mill. Perhaps that is where the hope for catastrophe comes from. Change is interesting.
When I make any comment with even a shadow of these thoughts to friends and family, I get a blank confusion in response. No fear or rage, more like I told a joke that nobody got… and they move on. Oh Well.
In closing, I hope there are a million like me. Lurking out there. Hello to all of you. Maybe someday we will meet. I ultimately wrote this to let everyone know that I also will send my donation via snail mail. I don’t like supporting the banks with card fees and pay cash for most everything.
Regards to TBP and all of their ilk.
Much love and carry on!
You are legion.
Lurker 17, I am delighted to see you speak up even if you’ve now bowed out. I was trying to describe the sense I am getting that we are beginning to speak in the same language within a language. I feel as if my son’s success this final year of school transitioning to life has focused my attention like a beam to all the changes so obvious in our society in such a short time.
“…Why do I lurk? I suppose I am in search of any evidence to support my sanity, or at least the hope that I am not alone in my insanity…”
Perhaps you should consider that you don’t share your thoughts because you think it will change the minds of people that think differently, but rather that you share your thoughts to show the people that already think like you that they are not alone…
OK, so sometimes it gets a bit dicey in here. It’s still worth it.
Steve C.
Spring, Texas
I lurked for 3 years so my digital footprint would be minimal within the thought crimes police when shtf…..there are many reason people prefer to lurk only……just sayin
Lurker 17, shouldn’t that be Lurker 1?
What is a first degree lurker?
Haven’t you violated your status as a lurker by commenting?
Raydawg, who was that chick who said she was a lurker and she’d never post a comment?
She posted 3 comments to confirm that she would never comment.
I think she was a 33rd degree lurker, she was definitely out there.
EC
Just one more thing, Lurker 17, you didn’t happen to see Left a Comment out in lurker-land did you?
I thought it was a Stalag 17 pun.
I was a lurker for quite a while. I first came to this site through lewrockwell.com. I really liked the article and bookmarked the website. But in the following days, every time I clicked on the bookmark, the same article showed up, and I thought, “They must not post articles very often,”so I would go to other websites. At that time, I didn’t realize Admin will re-post a popular article at the top and add other articles underneath. One day, I decided to just start reading some of the older articles because I thought it would be interesting, and that’s when I realized the website had been continuously updated the whole time. I felt like a moran. But I’m glad I decided to explore further.
I have been watching youtubes by John Casey, former NASA scientist, who makes a credible case for a solar minimum, starting now……increasingly harsh winters, earthquakes, etc. I wonder how this would fit into the Fourth Turning narrative?
A Regime on Thin Ice – Andrea Iravani
Our Allies Barbecue People, But Our Military Interrogates the People Before They Are Barbecued – Andrea Iravani
My book is in storage. It was highlighted, underlined, bookmarked and probably wouldn’t bring much on a used book website even if I would sell it. I won’t see it again until we move in the spring.
I read it twice and tried again while I was in chemo. Your brain is mush when you are in chemo and your eyes temporarily change so it’s hard to read anything like that. I gave up and read mostly fiction. I don’t know if your brain ever comes back all the way after that. I tried to convince my husband to read it to no avail. He is quite intelligent but it’s just not his cup of tea. Matter of fact, no one I know is interested in reading it. It’s just not for everyone.
My nephew, who is left leaning, encouraged me to read it. I think it fell out of his favor after it became known that Bannon was a 4th Turning junkie.
So imagine my delight when came across TBP several years ago. I’m not usually willing to remark in forums. If I am on one, then that’s the only one I will comment on. I usually didn’t read past the first few comments, I was just happy to know other people were talking about this book.
Some random thoughts I made note of after reading this the first time then skimming it again:
The “Battle lines being drawn” list of sides was interesting, particularly “SJW’s and normal people…Hollywood deviants and people with morals…academia and people with common sense. All of those people look down on us as being uneducated, philistine, or possibly even stupid beyond all hope.
I think a 4th Turning is like an undiagnosed disease, like cancer. It will completely take them by surprise when it becomes obvious that we are in a crisis unlike any we have ever experience before. Even we, who are aware, will not be prepared for it. I am aware that my cancer could return. Being aware that it could happen will still not prepare me to deal with it a second time. I know women who this has happened to and you just can’t prepare yourself for it. The only thing we have going for us is that we maybe can spring into action quicker than others who will walk around in denial or go into panic mode.
I think this is the last 4th Turning. Now I am NOT saying the end of the world is nigh.
What I am saying is that unless we blow ourselves to kingdom come first, and I don’t really think that will happen, there will not be another one. While I do believe there will be an end to this world as we know it, I don’t think that will happen in the next few years. There may be a WW III, there may be a CW2 in the next few years, but even if those two things didn’t happen, have you been keeping track of how fast technology is changing? There has to be a few techo-nerds on here. I am sure they could speak to this.
Moores Law anyone? AI? Driverless Cars? Chimeras? These people want immortality, to be as gods. That is a really old cycle, ya know.
At this website, The Emerging Future, there are charts about the speed of tech changes and they look like the proverbial “hockey stick”!
http://theemergingfuture.com/speed-technological-advancement.htm
“Know your machines and computer systems. Computers and machines have become intuitive, autonomous, and self-sustaining. Governments, companies, organizations and small teams are working on the next steps which include self-aware robots, ubiquitous embedded sensors, machine independence, and merging human technology with human intelligence. Efforts to create self-aware nonbiological and artificial general intelligence forms that may exist online as an avatar, a machine, a robot, or a cybernetic individual are underway.”
http://theemergingfuture.com/speed-of-change.htm
What say you?
Gotta go, I’ll check in later.
Oh and I have donated within the last couple months and I will again.
I just found the site by way of the Steve Quayle link… Great article and interesting comments. Enjoy the slow burn of the slow turn while we still can… Things are getting ready to snap, crackle and pop.
Really great work! I got here from ZH . I have to start reading this blog more often. I think the “catalyst” may be cascading municipal and state defaults. The cities are thoroughly corrupt but they can’t print currency like Uncle Scam can. Maybe Dallas stops paying retirees, then some other city and all municipal bonds become junk, police and fire don’t get paid, etc. As has been stated many times on prepper web sites, when the SHTF and the gibsmedat spigot runs dry, urban areas won’t be the best place to be.
You know, if state and local governments were smart, the police would be the last people they stop paying, at least until they can go into hiding. Let’s hope they don’t figure that one out.
Super essay. great timing. I read 4T about 13 years ago. I have a couple dog eared copies lying around and I’ve given copies to several people over the years. 10 years ago, when I would talk about prepping and what the future likely held some people would just roll their eyes. “dramatize much”? They don’t do that anymore. These days folks I work with admit they’re scared. They know something’s gonna’ blow. And I keep it low key. I tell them I worry that something could happen or some situation may arise where food and energy production and distribution get” interrupted for a time”. They can guess what comes next. Once at work a woman came into my lab, where I had a milkshake sitting next to a sink, and she poured it out and threw the container in the trash. (we’re not allowed to have food in the lab. Safety don’t ya know) I’d left it there for a second to unlock my office door. I told a sympathetic coworker who saw it, “someday she is going to dream about that milkshake, and wake up with her pillow soaked in drool after she’s been without real food for a few weeks”. He agreed.