Better get some f**king bitcoin bitchez!!! Ode to Stucky.

Stucky says I don’t curse enough.  Stuck, where are you?

http://www.oftwominds.com/blogdec17/what-is-money12-17.html

What Is Money? (Yes, We’re Talking About Bitcoin)
December 7, 2017

Good ideas don’t require force. That describes the Internet, mobile telephony and cryptocurrencies.

What is money? We all assume we know, because money is a commonplace feature of everyday life. Money is what we earn and exchange for goods and services. Everyone thinks the money they’re familiar with is the only possible system of money—until they run across an entirely different system of money.

Then they realize money is a social construct, a confluence of social consensus and political force– what we agree to use as money, and what our government mandates we use as money under threat of punishment.

We assume that our monetary system is much like a Law of Nature: since it’s ubiquitous, it must be the only possible system.

But there are no financial Laws of Nature for money. In the past, notched sticks served as money. In other non-Western cultures, giant stone disks (rai, a traditional form of money on the island of Yap) and even salt served as money.

In our experience, 1) money is issued by a government or central bank (i.e. a currency), and each of these currencies is the sole form of legal money (legal tender) in the nation-state that issues the currency; 2) each of these currencies is available in physical coins and paper bills and digitally as entries in bank and credit card accounts; 3) our currency is borrowed into existence by the central bank or by fractional reserve lending in private banks, and 4) this currency meets all of the utility traditionally required of money:

1. It is divisible into smaller units, i.e. a dollar is divided into quarters, dimes, nickels and pennies, or it is a small unit (for example, the Japanese yen, which is roughly equivalent to a U.S. penny).

2. It is secure, i.e. everyone can’t just print or make their own in unlimited quantities.

3. It is fungible, meaning all the units are interchangeable.

4. It is easily transportable.

5. It has a market value that’s easily discoverable, so buyers and sellers can confidently exchange it for goods and services.

But history informs us that money doesn’t have to be issued by governments, nor does it have to be borrowed into existence by banks, nor does every form of money have to satisfy all five requirements; it’s possible to have multiple forms of money which each serve different purposes.

In other words, our system of money is merely one of many possible systems of money. With the advent of digital cryptocurrencies, the range of monetary systems has expanded greatly.

We tend to look at money as value-neutral and apolitical, but as a social construct, it reflects specific social and political values. As I’ve explained in previous posts, our money is created and distributed at the very top of the wealth-power pyramid.

This feature of our money optimizes the accumulation of wealth and power in the top of the pyramid, and thus our social contract of money guarantees the concentration of wealth and thus rising wealth-power inequality.

To understand why, we need to start with money’s three basic functions.

As a general rule, money is:

1. A store of value (i.e. it serves as a reliable repository of wealth);

2. As means of exchange between buyers and sellers;

3. A tool for recording transactions of credit/debt (i.e. it facilitates recording transactions and keeping track of credits, debts, assets and payments).

Modern-day government-issued currencies perform all three roles. The U.S. dollar, for example, acts as a store of purchasing power, a global means of exchange, and as a tool to keep track of transactions, debts and financial assets.

But in other social constructs, different kinds of money perform different functions. The giant stone disks on Yap (rai) are a store of value, and a means of exchange for high-value items.

But the recording of transactions involving the rai is done in an oral-history ledger: the transfer of ownership of a particular rai is recorded in the community memory, and so the heavy 2-meter-high stone doesn’t have to actually move in physical space to transfer ownership. As a result, a stone rai resting at the bottom of the lagoon is a perfectly functional store of value and means of exchange.

The rai are quarried on another island, and not easily counterfeited. They are not necessarily interchangeable; the value of each one is recorded in the oral record. But since a rai isn’t divisible, or easily transportable, another form of money is used for day-to-day transactions.

The point here is there is no intrinsic reason why the three primary functions of money have to be satisfied by one single currency.

Nor is there any intrinsic reason why one form of money has to be equally tradable for all goods and services. In some cultures, certain forms of money hold symbolic value and are used solely for transactions of symbolic import, for example, as a wedding dowry.

We assume money has been stripped clean of symbolic or moral value, that it has no connection to anything but its current market value. Yet once again, there is no intrinsic reason why money must be stripped of symbolic or moral value. That our money has no symbolic or moral value is entirely a result of our specific social construct.

In cultures with forms of money that aren’t issued by a government, social consensus defines what serves as money and what functions it fulfills.

Which Brings us to Bitcoin

Bitcoin’s limitations are well-known: the blockchain/mining consumes vast quantities of electricity, and bitcoin can’t be scaled to replace all the credit card transactions in the world. But as noted above, every type of money does not need to perform all the functions of money.

Thus some commentators anticipate bitcoin being used for large, infrequent transfers rather than the purchase of consumer goods and services. Other cryptocurrencies may arise to fill that role.

I recently paid translators in South America with bitcoin. The transaction fee was about $4.50. Clearly, bitcoin functions as a means of exchange.

I made a few dollars of profit using bitcoin for transactions like this last year and I paid income taxes on those modest gains. Clearly, bitcoin is a legal financial instrument that the federal government accepts as the source of taxable capital gains.

For those who don’t know the situation in Venezuela, its government has destroyed the value of the nation’s currency, the bolivar, which traded at roughly 10 to 1 US dollar as recently as late 2012, when bitcoin was roughly $10.

The black market exchange is now over 98,000 bolivars to the US dollar, and one bitcoin is now worth over 1 billion bolivars. Clearly, bitcoin has acted as a store of value. The resident of Venezuela who traded 100 bolivars for $10 and traded the $10 for one bitcoin how has 1 billion bolivars or $13,000 US dollars.

Clearly, bitcoin is a means of exchange, a legal form of capital that accrues taxable capital gains and it’s a store of value. So by the conventional definition of money, bitcoin is money. It’s our right to think it a nonsensical form of money, just as it’s our right to mock the stone rai, and deride the packages of ramen noodles that serve as money in prisons. But our mockery doesn’t change the functionality of these forms of money.

No doubt the conventional wisdom in Venezuela dismissed the functionality of bitcoin in late 2012, just as the conventional wisdom continues to dismiss bitcoin’s functionality as money. So who was right, and who was wrong? The believer in the status quo who held onto his 100 bolivars as a means of exchange and store of value , or the independent who traded bolivars for bitcoin?

Good ideas don’t require force. That describes the Internet, mobile telephony and cryptocurrencies. Bad ideas require force: that describes the Venezuelan government’s management of its currency, and the central bank/central state form of money that dominates the global economy.

Author: Glock-N-Load

Simply a concerned, freedom loving American.

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kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
kokoda - AZEK (Deck Boards) doesn't stand behind its product
December 7, 2017 6:38 am

No Bitcoin for you.

Administrator
Administrator
December 7, 2017 6:46 am

Bitcoin Blasts Through $15,000 – “It’s A Consensus Hallucination”

by Tyler Durden
Dec 7, 2017 5:13 AM

In the last 36 hours, Bitcoin has blasted through $12,000, $13,000, $14,000, and now $15,000 levels in an unprecedented 28% surge…

For those keeping track, this is how long it has taken the cryptocurrency to cross the key psychological levels:

$0000 – $1000: 1789 days
$1000- $2000: 1271 days
$2000- $3000: 23 days
$3000- $4000: 62 days
$4000- $5000: 61 days
$5000- $6000: 8 days
$6000- $7000: 13 days
$7000- $8000: 14 days
$8000- $9000: 9 days
$9000-$10000: 2 days
$10000-$11000: 1 day
$11000-$12000: 6 days
$12,000-$13,000: 17 hours
$13,000-$14,000: 4 hours
$14,000-$15,000: 10 hours

With a market cap of around $250 billion, Bitcoin is bigger than Proctor & Gamble and approaching the size of Wal-Mart as the 12 biggest ‘company’ in the S&P 500.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Administrator
December 7, 2017 8:31 am

I read that the rise in BTC since Sept was due to rich Saudis trying to convert the money into BTC to prevent from being frozen or seized. Given the potential implications alluded to in the Q Anon posts, it might be that the continued increase is due to certain wealthy American scumbags looking to do the same.

I’m sure that Felonia and Bill would like to leave a few shekels behind to fund a future Presidential bid for Chelsea right? BHO and the first wookie probably want to do the same.

BTC prices might rise quite a bit from here and remain high especially if some of these scumbags meet their deserved fate without leaving behind their BTC keys.

c1ue
c1ue
  Administrator
December 7, 2017 9:23 pm

Yes, I saw the same dynamic in December 2000: a stock in a company I bought for $80 in November 2000 had shot up to $1000 – I was frantically trying to sell on December 29 (last trading day of the year).
The transaction never went through despite 7+ hours of attempts. Wound up getting rid of it for $400 in January – the company folded 1 year later.
Excellent precedent, no?

Stucky
Stucky
December 7, 2017 7:17 am

I just got up ten fucken minutes ago. That’s where I am.

You know I don’t fucken comment on financial shit. Why? I don’t give a flying fuck. Also, I am a Village Idiot in regards to that topic.

But, ya fucken pulled me in with that Ode horseshit. Now I gotta search trillions of brain cells looking for the 25 neurons that actually give a fuck about muuuney. Quite a bind you put me in.

OK, here it goes.

I like your examples of what items functioned as money in previous times … from fucken giant stone dicks to salt. Of course, there are many many more examples. People in Kentucky, for example, use the most rare item in Kentucky as barter. Teeth.

What your examples tell me is this: Money is whatever the fuck people ACCEPT it to be.

It doesn’t even need some of the other qualities you mentioned. It don’t need no fucken fungus, and ya don’t even need to carry it. I mean, can ya carry a big stone or fucken invisible bits?

Personally, I think Bitcoin is pure unadulterated bullshit perpetrated by Satan hisself. But, my opinion is even more worthless than an electric bit. Again, as long as there are nincompoops like you willing to accept bits from other nincompoops, and vice versa — then watchyer got there is MONEY!!

That’s all I got. I’m exhausted now. Hope you fucken learned a thing or two ….. about proper swearing techniques.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
December 7, 2017 7:36 am

Somebody woke up Mr. Grumpy Gills, didn’t they?

I copied a pullout quote from the Ode to StuckBit to illustrate my initial thought on Bitcoin being Money. I thought to self… if Bitcoin really is a durable form of money, then I can always buy some as long as I have other durable forms of money. Say, Gold, Silver or Dollars, as long a they are recognizable as money. So, when I saw your example? Perfect launching point. Let StuckBit get some coffee and flush yesterday’s lunch down the ToTo.

I find it fascinating that my example plays out below: In 2012, you could have purchased Bitcoin with Venezuelan currency, roughly 100 US dollars. You could possibly STILL do so if you had a quadrillion of them (bolivars, not dollars. Well, not dollars YET).

“For those who don’t know the situation in Venezuela, its government has destroyed the value of the nation’s currency, the bolivar, which traded at roughly 10 to 1 US dollar as recently as late 2012, when bitcoin was roughly $10.

The black market exchange is now over 98,000 bolivars to the US dollar, and one bitcoin is now worth over 1 billion bolivars. Clearly, bitcoin has acted as a store of value. The resident of Venezuela who traded 100 bolivars for $10 and traded the $10 for one bitcoin how has 1 billion bolivars or $13,000 US dollars.”

Stucky
Stucky
  Maggie
December 7, 2017 8:08 am

Grumpy Gills? Nah.

Looks like someone woke up without their Humor Hat.

Wip
Wip
  Stucky
December 7, 2017 8:27 am

I called you out cuz I hadn’t seen you in a bit and you didn’t like the title to my last post.

What’s the difference between bitcoin and the computer digits we use now called the dollar? I haven’t used cash for a long time now. At least not for anything important anyway.

Thanks for commenting on my post.

Not Sure
Not Sure
  Wip
December 7, 2017 8:34 am

Value of article: 10 Bitcoins

Value of Stuckeys reply: Priceless

Stucky
Stucky
  Wip
December 7, 2017 8:49 am

Ha! I never commented on titles until that BUNNY KILLER broad gave me shit over mine. No worries, we shall overcome.

You ask a good question about Bitcoin digits vs dollah digits.

I don’t know the answer without googling it. Like I said, I shot my wad. I hope this thread gets to 100 … I do want to know a bit (see what I did there?) more about such stuff.

Oddly enough, I’m actually working on my first econ article ever — “America’s Religion: The Economy”. The astute reader will say “Jeebus! That dumbass even brings religion into an economy post??”. Yeah, I can’t help myself. I’m gonna keep posting shit until I make it on SLL. Then I will retire.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
December 7, 2017 9:25 am

Just. Can’t. Let. Go.

I have seven very cute bunnies. I am also plotting to take Scrapper over to my friend’s horse barn so he can impregnate Beatrice, who now resides on a horse ranch. My friend, pictured below, of course, has decided she doesn’t want her pretty bunny Beatrice Potter consorting with my hillbilly Scrapper. I am planning to sneak Scrapper over while she’s not home and reunite him and Beatrice (who already had a set of his kits!) My new country friends are nuts. The old woman I walk with? She told me that she has decided to be a better Christian. We discuss religion a bit, but only in that polite social way that doesn’t stray far from what we can all agree, right?

Like, we can all agree that there was no money in Eden. So, Mr. Smartypants how can the love of it be the root of something that happened in Eden? Could there have been Bitcoin in Eden? Money and perceived value of fiat are all about trust. Was there “trust” in Eden?
My realtor friend, Brenda, got herself a Pyrenese (she tried to purchase MY JAKE the stupid beeatch when she first saw Jake and fell in love.) Her Jackson (could she be more obvious that she wants my dog? If she starts dating a guy named Nick, I’m going to call her on it.) Her husband passed of heart failure a year after we purchased our land here from her. He was 26 years her senior, leaving her a very wealthy widow. What a way to go… they were married 25 years, I think.
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TreeFarmer
TreeFarmer
  Maggie
December 7, 2017 11:30 am

I love that dog!

Maggie
Maggie
  TreeFarmer
December 7, 2017 11:42 am

These were my JDawgs. Jason, the masked one, passed last spring, leaving a gaping hole in my heart. Jake, my firstborn Pyr, has been lost without him. The Vet felt sorry for us and rescued a Pyr pup from euthanasia due to Parvo. Our Little Miss Melissa (known as Little Miss Missy) has had an uphill battle winning our love, but she’s managed to do it. She is way too young for Jake, but it worked for Brenda. It may work out for Little Miss.

My friend Brenda bought her Pyr around the time he died and named him Jackson.

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Oh, Lord. We all miss that dog so very much. I would never have believed it possible.

Little Miss has big paws to try and fill. She’s getting there.

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That is the “treehouse” where the Mennonites lived while building our log home… and where Nick and I lived the year leading into getting this place built. It was quite the adventure.

Maggie calling Stuck
Maggie calling Stuck
  Maggie
December 7, 2017 10:20 pm

Stucky, I called you Mr. Smartypants and everything. Whatsup?

Wip
Wip
  Stucky
December 7, 2017 10:35 am

I look forward to your upcoming econ article.

I wonder how LLPOH will feel once my pocket full bitcoins surpass his magnificent wealth. And all while I sit back like a lazy employee. Bwahahahahabababa

Stucky
Stucky
  Wip
December 7, 2017 1:34 pm

Thanks Wip. Since religion is involved, it will be a Sunday post.

It’s a hard article for me. I know what my overall message is … but, since I’m NOT an econ guy, the details are a bitch. I doubt I’ll ever do another article with that subject again.

Think about God’s economy … feeding the hungry, giving to the poor, sharing all things … Yikes!! The article definitely has COMMIE leanings. My ass is gonna get reamed. I just know it. I hope Jeebus comes back before Sunday to save my fat ass from the wrath of TBPers.

Robert (QSLV)
Robert (QSLV)
  Stucky
December 7, 2017 10:43 am

Stucky:

I thought football was America’s religion.

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Robert (QSLV)

RiNS
RiNS
  Robert (QSLV)
December 7, 2017 10:51 am

Hockey is at least in Canada. That is the riot in Vancouver after the Nucks shit the bed and lost the Cup.

Subwo
Subwo
  RiNS
December 7, 2017 12:11 pm

So, the Hanson brothers were based on fact? Slapshot movie.

Maggie
Maggie
  Stucky
December 7, 2017 10:17 pm

I have a priceless oil on canvas currently title Fire on KY Lake, but easily Retitled to Anything Burning Platform related. I will happily sell it to you for a single bitcoin deposited to Jim Quinn’s donation meter on the page link for Bitcoin donation.

1LKCwYW8GY3w3aht5YhawsdxAvPkjQJws7

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Maggie calling Stuck
Maggie calling Stuck
  Stucky
December 7, 2017 10:21 pm

I replied to you and you didn’t see it. I’m hurt.

Robert (QSLV)
Robert (QSLV)
  copperhead
December 7, 2017 10:52 am

Better yet:

From TechCrunch:

People have spent over $1M buying virtual cats on the Ethereum blockchain

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Launched a few days ago, CryptoKitties is essentially like an digital version of Pokemon cards but based on the Ethereum blockchain. And like most viral sensations that catch on in the tech world, it’s blowing up fast.

Built by Vancouver and San Francisco-based design studio AxiomZen, the game is the latest fad in the world of cryptocurrency and probably soon tech in general.

People are spending a crazy amount of real money on the game. So far about $1.3M has been transacted, with multiple kittens selling for ~50 ETH (around $23,000) and the “genesis” kitten being sold for a record ~246 ETH (around $113,000). This third party site tracks the largest purchases made to date on the game. And like any good viral sensation prices are rising and fluctuating fast. Right now it will cost you about .03 ETH, or $12 to buy the least expensive kitten in the game.

Robert (QSLV)

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Robert (QSLV)
December 7, 2017 9:52 pm

I can’t stand it anymore. What does QSLV mean?

Maggie
Maggie
  Rdawg
December 7, 2017 10:00 pm

I thought it was one of these.

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I was wrong.

steve
steve
December 7, 2017 9:53 am

It is guesstimated that by Feb 2020 BitCoin alone will require 100% of electricity production in the world to mine further BitCoin. BTW, there are 1200 cryptos out there. I’m currently building a nuclear reactor in my backyard to mine that last BitCoin. It will be worth $247,456,721,223,694.77 and I shall rule the world…mmuuuuhahaha!

Maggie
Maggie
  steve
December 7, 2017 11:19 am

Are you a MST3K fan? You really should ask permission before ruling the world.

TreeFarmer
TreeFarmer
December 7, 2017 11:35 am

Blockchain technology is a game changer. Bitcoin is great if you’ve ridden this wave and can get out in time. There is just too much volatility (up and down) in it for it to be a replacement for reserve currency right now. But that may all change. This reminds me of 1999 when my friends were bragging about their 300% gains in tech stocks and laughing at my paltry 50% return in companies that actually had earnings. Now I have friends laughing at my 50% returns over the past 12 months as their Bitcoin has gone up 300%. I hope they hang on to their gains this time around.

c1ue
c1ue
  TreeFarmer
December 7, 2017 9:20 pm

Blockchain is nothing more than an extremely difficult to modify ledger.
You really need to understand more on all the variations out there – for example, bitcoin uses a majoritarian voting scheme. Other variants use other types of control schema.
And then there’s the fact that this is software – which has bugs and can be forked.

Grog
Grog
December 7, 2017 12:08 pm

All I know about money is that if a man talks dirty to a woman, that’s sexual harassment.
If a woman talks dirty to a man, that’ll be $6.50 a minute.

c1ue
c1ue
December 7, 2017 12:11 pm

Idiotic.
Most of the commentary is clearly from people who never actually have used Bitcoin.
I go through significant amounts of bitcoin in my work against ransomware and other forms of cyber crime.
Here’s some reality:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/12/07/game_smart_steam_halts_bitcoin_payments/
Bitcoin transaction costs are now over $20. So much for “free passage of money”.
$20 per transaction is even higher than credit cards for any payment under $400, $500+ for most small vendors.

Fiatman60
Fiatman60
December 7, 2017 12:38 pm

Imagine if everyone created their own crypto currency……
What then??
Time = Money….. Money = Time
Block chain is a great idea, but unfortunately unless central bankers and governments are in command, you still end up with a ponzi in the end.

JIMSKI
JIMSKI
December 7, 2017 12:46 pm

I work at a small family tire and repair shop that employs 13 people. 2 have invested in BC and another guy is waiting on a $2600 mining rig so he can collect the damn things. One guy has checked his phone every 10 minutes and has state he has made more on BC today that he will make a work today.

So yep we are about topped out folks. When A guy making 40k a year to change tires and brakes invests in ANYTHING it is time to bail.
None of these guys has a 401k or even much savings……..

Anonymous
Anonymous
  JIMSKI
December 7, 2017 1:44 pm

Price pays. Everything else is just rhetoric. Anyone who gets out of tulips, dot com stocks, over priced real estate, Bitcoin, etc. before the reversal comes is a winner. History says there are ultimately very few winners in these cases.

Annie
Annie
December 7, 2017 2:01 pm

bitcoin == tulips

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Annie
December 7, 2017 9:56 pm

Sour grapes, I’m guessing.

Annie
Annie
  Rdawg
December 7, 2017 11:55 pm

Not grapes, tulips. T U L I P S. E.g. What goes up must come down. If you don’t understand what that statement has to do with tulips look it up. Nothing to do with grapes.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Annie
December 8, 2017 12:06 am

Yeah, I am well acquainted with the tulip mania..

I have been following BTC since it was about $100. I could never convince myself to just buy some, even for mad money/speculation.

If I could kick myself in the balls, I would. I could have paid off my house for a lousy $1000.

Hence the sour grapes; I have been tasting that shit for months now.