The Feminist Threat To Women And Men

Guest Post by Paul Craig Roberts

Recently I read in CounterPunch two feminist rants against men. Not all men, just white heterosexual men. It is not always easy for a male of my generation to understand what feminists are saying, but I try. One seems to be saying that women live in a society that puts in power men who believe that violence against women is acceptable. Elevating her accusation to a fact, the writer says that women should not have to prove their case when they bring sexual harassment and assault charges, much less prove their “personal validity to even be making a case against a man.”

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Is the writer saying that any irate woman should have the right to inpugn a man with an unchallenged charge? Do men and American society believe that violence against women is acceptable? I think not, unless the violence is committed by police. Americans seem to accept police violence against men, women, children, the handicapped, and the family dog.

The other writer says women have to sell themselves to live. She, despite a degree from a prestigeous university, went to work as a stripper, lap dancer, and apparently as a prostitute. She blames men for her poor decisions.

To be clear, I sympathize with anyone who finds themselves in the position that survival requires the sacrifice of their self-esteem. This happens to people everywhere all over the world. It is not an unique experience of women.

The woman who was a stripper writes that “what I learned in the strip club taught me more about the realities of being a woman in the 21st century than anything else has done.” It was there, she writes, that she learned that her handicaps in life were her intelligence and sharp tongue, and “that while men dictated the terms of my existence, women were complicit in maintaining systemic inequality.” Complicit women, she writes, sliced off parts of her soul just as did men.

What caught my attention was her reference to “being a woman in the 21st century.” How different that is from being a woman in the pre-feminist era that I experienced. It was feminists who denounced men for putting women on a pedestal and worshiping them. The inculcated respect that men showed women, doffing their hats in their presence, standing when women entered the room, opening doors for them, helping to seat them at tables, never using a four-letter word in their presence, and never ever striking a woman, an action that would isolate a man and deprive him of male friends.

In my day, no one struck a woman. It was beyond the pale.

It was the feminists who said that putting women on a pedestal was the male’s way of disempowering women. What ignorant nonsense. The most powerful members of my family were my grandmothers, mother, and aunts. Little decisions they left to the men. The big decisions they made.

Feminists said that women had to reject the pedestal and come down into the male world and prove their worth. It never occurred to feminists that women had more worth and more power on the pedestal. Feminists taught women to be promiscuous. Cosmopolitian magazine taught women to find fulfillment in orgasm with as many sexual partners as they can find. A number of years ago I wrote about young men telling me that they would like to get married, but every woman they knew had been in bed with all of their classmates. They said they would feel funny having their friends at their wedding who had sexual experience with their bride.

Corporations contributed to worsening the position of women that feminists initiated. In my day women were protected by families being in the same place. Any man who abused his wife would be confronted by his father and mother, his wife’s father and mother, his and her grandparents, his brothers and sisters, his wife’s brothers and sisters, his aunts and uncles, her aunts and uncles, and by the cousins of both.

What the corporations did was to bust up this protective environment by sending its employees to some distant location where the husband and wife were isolated from family. Kids grew up never knowing their grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, people they might see one or twice a year. Isolated from the normal support systems, families broke apart, and the divorce rate soared.

A society that lowers everything to survival and to profit destroys women and men. That is what feminists should be complaining about.
But feminism has succumbed to Identity Politics and can only generate hatred of men who find women appealing. Judging by the growth of homosexuality, there is a reduction in the number of men who find women appealing. Consequently, feminism is complicit in the destruction both of the status of women and of Western society.

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anarchyst
anarchyst
December 28, 2017 9:01 am

The problem is, women want it “both ways”.
Women want the right to say “no”, even after enticing a man to be sexually active with her–even days, weeks, months, and years after the “event”.
Her word is to be considered sacrosanct, and must be taken as truth without question, ruining many (innocent) men’s careers and even lives, as a result.
Men are not permitted to have a defense against such accusations.
Don’t get me wrong–I have no use for serial abusers such as Harvey Weinstein and other Hollywood, political and celebrity types; they deserve ostracization and punishment for their actions, BUT if women want true “equality” they must take responsibility for their own actions. They cannot “have it both ways”.
All one has to do is look at the way Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was treated by the mainstream media, who gave his accuser Anita Hill a “pass”, even though she followed him from job to job, without any mention of harassment.
Women want the “same pay” for “equal work”–not a problem in most cases, but if a woman cannot do the job, she then asks for “special treatment” because she is a woman, instead of realizing that she is not “cut out” for such work and should seek more suitable employment.
Men die sooner than women as they do the most hazardous work…
If women want to be treated as “equals” they have to “step up to the plate” and TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions…

anarchyst
anarchyst
December 28, 2017 9:08 am

Multiculturalism and diversity are flawed concepts that equate to the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Of course it took a female of the species to coax the male into eating of the forbidden fruit.
Another parallel example is that of the Tower of Babel in which separate cultures and languages developed.
At the risk of offending the female of the species, there were reasons why women did not achieve suffrage (the right to vote) among other things. I realize that there are many intelligent women who do not subscribe to externalized altruism, but there are too many who do . . . Women have a altruistic streak, which is necessary in the formation and care of their families. However, this altruism has been externalized, helped along by our enemies, caring for “outsiders” while neglecting the “good” within the family structure–internalized altruism. This externalized altruism has become deadly which has been put into the hands of feminists. This externalized altruism made the communistic, so-called “civil-rights” movement a (hollow) “success” (Actually, the so-called civil-rights movement is falling apart), along with the country)…

Wip
Wip
  anarchyst
December 28, 2017 10:15 am

I’m very happy you post more often and on a wider range of topics now.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
December 28, 2017 9:17 am

A friend I know up here has a property management company that takes care of rental homes that cater to the wealthy- big lakefront homes in Summer, mountainside chalets for the ski crowd. They require a lot of maintenance, have to be cleaned regularly, serviced when things go wrong, etc. It is a very well run business with excellent employees who are paid very well for their work. On Christmas Eve/Day there was a good sized snow storm, a little over a foot. The men- most in the 20’s- all showed up, got out there in the plow trucks, and worked until the jobs were complete. Out of the cleaning crews ( women, same age group) exactly none of them made it in because of (fill in the blank). I am not talking about the older more settled married women above the age of 40 who are very dependable, just the younger, single ones.

I’ve seen this more times than you can imagine. When they need snow tires they haven’t saved up for the boss takes care of it and allows them to repay slowly over time, when they have health issues they get to take the day off and someone else fills in, etc. Having heard the stories over the past several years it has become crystal clear why there is a disparity in incomes between the sexes. Men do the harder work, show up regardless of conditions, work through their injuries, etc. They don’t complain, don’t ask for extra help, aren’t catty or spiteful and work during the hours they are paid. The women- and they are the best of what is available out there- are always in need of latitude and understanding, they allow their personal problems to leak into their professional lives and they have these wide disparities between their good days and their mailing it in days that require someone else to ameliorate the differences. The best one isn’t up to the standards of the lowest guy on the totem pole.

Anyone who has any experience in the workforce knows this to be true regardless of the field. There are exceptions, but as a rule this is the way things are. You cannot change what Nature has created without screwing up the order.

turlock
turlock
  hardscrabble farmer
December 28, 2017 10:23 am

HS, I was a farrier for 25 years circa 1970-1995. Came of age in the hippie/bra burning era. Subjected to endless propaganda about women liberation, and how a woman can do anything a man can do. Had about 6 females ride with me as apprentices to learn the trade. They were all shocked to slam into the boundary between fantasy and reality. None lasted. None learned the trade. It takes plenty of hand and wrist strength to do the work. There are basic differences in male and female physical capabilities that no amount of philosophical bullshit can overcome. Reality intrudes where dreams reside.

Bilco
Bilco
  hardscrabble farmer
December 28, 2017 11:18 am

With one single blow…HSF just hit the nail right on the head.

overthecliff
overthecliff
  hardscrabble farmer
December 28, 2017 11:19 am

Farmer, you are dangerously close to the truth.

Realestatepup
Realestatepup
  hardscrabble farmer
December 28, 2017 11:41 am

Amen to that. While I have worked in both male-dominated and female-dominated trades, these truths are always present and manifest.
I graduated in 1990 as a machinist. My class was the first to graduate females from this trade. I graduated top of my class in both academics and trade. PLEASE NOTE, that many times I had to devise a way to assist myself with the handling of machines that the boys could do alone. But I did it. I was shorter (wooden box to stand on to work the Bridgeport machine) weaker (metal rolling table to take off/put on a very large, heavy cast-iron 4-jaw chuck). My strength was in the details, the polishing of metal, the smaller, more ornate work. I learned it all, but knew what I was better at. I was a better TIG welding than stick.
I have held jobs in the restaurant business and now currently sell real estate. I specialize in foreclosure properties, long the bastion of men. I excel at it because I am able to hire and retain GOOD property preservation people and contractors, and have a knack for dealing with the residents of these properties. I am detail oriented, and able to effectively communicate property damages and problems via written word to clients who do not reside in the state I work in.
These are mostly female strengths. Communication, the ability to empathize/sympathize with others.
Can I swing a hammer? Sure. Do I want to? No. But having a working knowledge of construction materials, plumbing, electrical, etc has served me well in my field. So many female agents I know call me and say “I have never sold a foreclosure before so I will need a lot of help from you”. RARELY does a man call and say this. Does that mean they know more about it than their female counterparts? Nope. Again, another difference between men and women. I read between the lines and figure out pretty quick if the guy has done it before.
We need to accept and work WITH each other’s strengths and weaknesses, and stop pretending they don’t exist.

nkit
nkit
  hardscrabble farmer
December 28, 2017 1:05 pm

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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  nkit
December 28, 2017 5:59 pm

Funny.

A friend I snowplow for asked my son and I to go shovel off a deck for a family of skiers this morning. He lives out of town this time of the year and had rented the place for the Winter and hadn’t even considered that anyone would want to use the deck. The family checked in and were very unhappy that the back deck still had snow on it. It was -15 degrees and the wind coming off the lake was blowing at 20-25mph. There was about a foot and half of snow on it so we went to work starting from opposite ends. I took maybe 45 minutes because for every shovel full that went over the side, at least a quarter of it blew right back at us. The woman sat inside and watched us.

We had ice on our eyelashes and eyebrows and near the end she asked if wanted hot chocolate but we just said thanks and went about our business and left after we finished up. I don’t imagine that there are a lot of people who’d do something like that in those conditions, but I can almost guarantee there aren’t any men who’d sit inside and watch unless they were in a wheel chair. Before I left I couldn’t resist adding- “Ready for your barbecue!”

Anonymous
Anonymous
  hardscrabble farmer
February 12, 2022 12:35 am

I agree that women aren’t cut out for MANY jobs, but I disagree on your “in all fields” assessment. I am a RN and now a Naturopath. I went to work pregnant and ran the facility of 64 patients until the week before I delivered my daughter. I’ve worked more back to back shifts for days in a row, and even did one 24 hour straight shift because they didn’t have a replacement that was scheduled from the agency make it due to some mistake in scheduling. Men get shorted for their hard work sometimes, I agree…but so do some women…nursing is predominantly a women’s field .. I’m more of the old fashioned type and prefer the role of mom and homemaker than I do anything else. I think women diminish the role of mom when it’s one of the hardest, yet most rewarding jobs there is…being ABLE to stay home and nurture those you’ve been blessed with is a gift that many sadly reject….I have never been that way. I think we SHOULD go back to more traditional roles …both spouses are less stressed out and it’s a peaceful life.

Zach
Zach
December 28, 2017 9:25 am

Feminism is merely another tool for the Marxists to use in order to achieve their ultimate goal: complete power over every detail of everyones’ lives. To accomplish this, we must render individuals’ (except of course for the rulers) lives meaningless – just flesh slogging through existence at the whim of its masters. This is why they have rendered maleness meaningless, and of course femaleness as well. Sex was rendered meaningless – do it with whoever or whatever you want, whenever you want, etc. Marriage was likewise rendered meaningless.

So feminism is a tool for attacking white heterosexual men, in order to help achieve the ultimate goal. Same with racism, islamophobia and other made-up offenses that only seen to be able to be committed by WHMs. How so many have failed to see this is a testament to the exquisite cunning of the Marxists. And there’s no peaceful coexistence possible. Fight or die.

Dutchman
Dutchman
December 28, 2017 9:25 am

Author states: It is not always easy for a male of my generation to understand what feminists are saying, but I try.

I don’t even try. These are just psycho bitches.

BB
BB
December 28, 2017 9:30 am

Feminism is a byproduct of Marxism.You have the oppressed ( women ) and the oppresser ( men ).It was developed by Jewish subversives who were intending to decive white women in order to Destory the family.It probably would have failed but the Rockefellers got behind so they could increase the tax Base . Another reason is with both parents working state schools would have their children according to Nick Rockefeller .It is hard to find that interview on the internet now.I guess the Rockefeller family wasn’t pleased that he admitted his family is EVIL.

razzle
razzle
  BB
December 28, 2017 11:09 am

The spooks took advantage of women from bad situations and gave them talking points and book deals. Those women subsequently took advantage, for fame and profit, of women from average situations and convinced them they were bad situations… without realizing it would be their granddaughters that would pay the real costs.

Wip
Wip
December 28, 2017 10:19 am

MGTOW

Maverick
Maverick
  Wip
December 28, 2017 11:30 am

For cases like this, yes. Just remember that MGTOW as a universal approach is also what they want. Walking away from family life is another victory for the other side.

Smart people must have children or their threads disappear, ceding the fabric of the future to the ragged and evil patches.

Wip
Wip
  Maverick
December 28, 2017 11:34 am

Women will eventually beg men to come back. imo

Actually, what the hell do I know? There probably is no solution. Women are not the logical ones and are prone to hysterics. Anyone and/or group who can be convinced they are victims will be the armed forces (or useful idiots) of TPTB.

Humans and the trajectory we are on which is being determined by the media, the elite, the government and satan himself reminds me of the saying about money….bad money chases out good money.

The worst of the human race is chasing out the best and most moral of the human race.

I truly believe it is the great battle of good vs. evil.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Maverick
December 28, 2017 12:34 pm

Maverick, you and Mustang are pushing the MGTOW program. Will Steed and Pinto soon follow?

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Wip
December 28, 2017 1:08 pm

Do you know the quickest way to stop a woman from giving you blow jobs? Marry her.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  Dutchman
December 28, 2017 11:37 pm

Worked for me.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Wip
December 28, 2017 11:28 pm

1488

nkit
nkit
  Anonymous
December 28, 2017 11:57 pm

8968

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  nkit
December 29, 2017 12:05 am

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12!

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
December 28, 2017 12:03 pm

It took me 25 years to cultivate a group of 10-12 women who would outwork me. They were mostly limited by my failings. It helped I empowered them to be part owners, sharing in profits. They knew if we did an extra $1000 by working through lunch the team would accrue $260 towards the team bonus at the end of the month. Same if we stayed late to do one more crown on a new patient. Some months their above-average hourly pay would be doubled. I like to say they kicked my ass to get busy.

I had some clinkers over the years. Like my front desk person who would invite her male stripper friends to the office and fail to bill them. She was a conniving thieving employee who looked for ways to subvert her duties to her advantage.

And my first civilian dental assistant lessoned me about office politics between men and women. I worked in a group practice with three senior dentists, several administrative positions, numerous assistants and hygienists plus a full time female office hen mother. My little cutie was 18 or 19, petite and cute if you liked vacuous sex pots. She wore the standard white uniform tops that button up the front. My visual distractions were increased when she would leave the top two buttons undone, exposing a hint of cleavage of her pert a cups. Emboldened by my wondering eyes she would exploit my bachelor vulnerabilities. I finally had to take her in my office and tell her to not come to work if she did not wear a brassiere. This after one braless day when the third button popped off her shirt as I tried to do a root canal. She was quite a saucy coquette and played the game quite well. In no time she found a rich coon ass trucker to marry.

I encountered a few more sexually manipulative employees but that did not last long because eventually, when my empowered staff interviewed new hire prospects, they laid out the rules for the office, “Don’t ride the clock or the boss”. They could sniff out a bad hire better than I. Female clients used the sex sell option quite often. They signaled ‘be nice to me and I will be nice to you wink wink’.

One of the founding fathers of the world famous Panky Institute of dental education and philosophy was Harold Wirth. He was a randy raconteur from New Orleans who spouted the Panky Philosophy – the one I emulate sans the provincial Christian cross . He started his lectures with a slide of him in white pants, a blue blazer and a white nautical captain’s hat on the bow of a yacht surrounded by a bevy of beauties in bikinis. This is when dentistry was mostly a white man’s domain. My dental school class of 90 had one black man and two females (one I dated in high school ; )* and again failed to consummate her promise late one night in her graduate dorm room.) I often wonder how many of my class mates trysted with the amorous inclinations of the former LSU cheerleader. More than one I am told…

Dr. Wirth’s tip of the day was to look into the eyes of your female patients like you were going to kiss them (but don’t he added). I can vouch the technique works well, especially on phobic attractive women who doll themselves up for a visit to have their mouth invaded. They relax once they know you are susceptible to sexual manipulation and withheld promise.

The dopers were especially provocative. I bet I could have got a blow job on the spot had I not had some remaining scruples.

The point I am trying to make is I have always felt at a disadvantage to women because of the special status they hold for me and their natural inclination to use it. Some in honest natural fashion of friendly charm and some in destructive, cunning, baffling and powerful ways.

My crew was on time, or came early and stayed late when needed. When conflicts arose they could count on me to resolve it in a fair way. And when I asked for something, they delivered. They and what we accomplished together are what I miss most about retirement. [As I have said before, you would not believe how much I made when I employed a coven of 12]

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  KeyserSusie
December 28, 2017 12:45 pm

When you say “outworked you” do you mean that with your 25 years of experience, these 12 women are better qualified than you are? (I am assuming you are a man)If that’s the case then maybe dentistry is a great avenue for women in the workplace.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
  hardscrabble farmer
December 28, 2017 7:50 pm

Well, I did organize and train them to succeed with paid for continuing education all around the South and supplying every technical advantage. There were many tasks they were better than I was. On my best days I could not match their expertise in fabricating temporary crowns. In fact the last 10 years I practiced I did less than one temporary crown a year. And boy could they present a treatment plan and financial arrangements with better case acceptance than I could. They could charm the socks off a ‘fraidy cat…

But on the truly tough stuff, they often said that’s why I get the big bucks. And yes I am a man. But then, they knew I am susceptible to flattery… My main management tool was to never criticize. give negative feedback or redirect unless I had delivered at least two personalized complements directed at their work performance in front of others.

In the 1980’s a half dozen dental schools closed down, including my alma mater Emory. In the 60’s, population forecasts predicted a dearth of dentists per capita. So many dental schools were built that led to a surfeit of dentists. Emory closed down because they could not get enough qualified applicants (and the med school wanted our new building). My class had 8 applicants for each slot. It evolved to less than two applicants per slot.

The closure of dental schools PLUS the tendency of female dental students to not have the same work ethic of male dentists results in a continued positive outlook for ambitious dentists. Females tend to be more family oriented and focused on a balanced work ethic. Females make up half the student body these days with heavy enrollment of minorities.

“According to an American Dental Association education survey, there were 11,613 men in dental schools in 2010-11, and 10,240 women, or about 46.9 percent of enrollees.”

By and large dentists can avoid the tyranny of managed care where administrators thwart independence and profit. This too is passing as big dentistry companies are increasing their market share every year. One of my classmates employs over 1000 dentists.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  KeyserSusie
December 28, 2017 1:36 pm

Just yesterday, somebody advised me to ‘logic’. Today, you say somebody ‘lessoned’ you. I must run faster to keep up with the new English.

Now, are dental assistants known as witches or is it just that a surplus of dental assistants is called a coven for some other reason?

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Anonymous
December 28, 2017 2:13 pm

Next, you’ll hear “ask” used as a noun.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
  Anonymous
December 28, 2017 11:13 pm

you could make it a gerund

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  Anonymous
December 29, 2017 12:33 am

It gives me a sad to think that someday folks will say they have an ask.

KeyserSusie
KeyserSusie
  Anonymous
December 28, 2017 11:25 pm

It is more accurate than calling them disciples and more socially acceptable than calling them my harem. I call them females. I bet they birthed more than a score of kids while working. I told the deputy sheriff father of my favorite chairside assistant he should have had more like her.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  KeyserSusie
December 29, 2017 12:23 am

So the deputy carried the babies for 9 months? Damn women, now they won’t even bother to incubate their spawn. Somebody tell me why we even need women?

AC
AC
December 28, 2017 3:59 pm

Feminism results in birth rates being below replacement levels, and makes everyone miserable: it’s a demonstrably bad philosophy.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
  AC
December 29, 2017 12:29 am

AC, it’s not feminism directly; it’s abortion on demand. The law of unintended consequences strikes again: family planning was an effort to reduce and control minority childbirth. The propaganda worked so well in legitimizing abortion that whites began to see the economic benefits and convenience of a do-over. It’s not like baby gets flushed down the sewer, thanks to Hillary and company, we now recycle the fetus. Everybody wins. Yay!