Guest Post by The Zman
From time to time, I am approached by an anti-Semite hoping to convince me to join their thing. Most people, of course, think antisemitism is a bad thing, the worst thing, but anti-Semites think otherwise. Recently, a person calling himself Lawrence has showed up in the comment section of my YouTube channel and here on the blog, inviting me to join the world of antisemitism. Given some posts related to this topic are in the queue, I thought it was a good time to respond to this generous invitation to become an anti-Semite.
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First off, and this cannot be stressed enough, I don’t think antisemitism is a great sin. I once worked for a guy who hated Greeks. Anything wrong in the world, according to him, was the fault of the Greeks. He was a bigot, of course, but as far as I knew he never caused anyone harm, not even Greeks. He was just a weirdly eccentric person, who had unusual opinions about the world. In the grand scheme of things, there are many worse vices a man can have, than a bias toward another group or a race of people.
Here is my favorite way of explaining this to people puzzled by my indifference to the great crimes of antisemitism and racism. Imagine someone moving into the house across the street. You find out that the new neighbor is an anti-Semite. Now, imagine a second neighbor moves in and you learn he is a methamphetamine dealer. Which neighbor troubles you more? Only a nut would say the anti-Semite is the bigger worry. The point is there is a very long list of things that are worse than holding negative opinions.
Now, as far as my opinion on antisemitism, I must admit I have a negative view of it, just as I have a negative view of racism. The mistake people like Lawrence make is in thinking that race realism is the same as racism. If I were a racist, I would not live among black people. I can be quite realistic about the nature of blacks, without holding black people in contempt. In fact, I have a great deal of sympathy for black people. The reason for that is I am well aware of the biological reality that underlies the plight of blacks in America.
Similarly, I am a realist, with regards to Jews in America. I’ve written quite bit on Jewish exceptionalism. I did a long podcast episode examining the alt-right’s arguments on the JQ. I’ve written critiques of Jewish social customs. I’ve had debates in the comments sections here with Jews about Jewish issues. Hell, I stood in a room full of Jews once, explaining and defending the humor of Andrew Anglin. The point is that you can discuss, even as a non-Jew, all the issues involved in the JQ, without being an anti-Semite.
Now, many anti-Semites have encouraged me to “take the red pill” on the JQ so then I would come to appreciate what antisemitism brings to the party. The claim is that once you accept the biological reality of Jewish subversiveness, then antisemitism fits like a glove. I generally assume to this to mean the theories of Kevin McDonald, the retired professor of psychology, who wrote the book Culture of Critique. John Derbyshire called him the Karl Marx of antisemitism, which is turning out to be prophetic.
Well, I have read Kevin McDonald. I think he makes an excellent case against Boasian anthropology, Freudian psychoanalysis, and Frankfurt School critical theory. In fact, his arguments against these intellectual movements should be required reading for anyone trying to understand how things went so terribly wrong in the West. Further, there is no disputing his observation that these movements were dominated by Jews. In fact, all of the monstrous ideologies of the last era had an over representation of Jews.
The truth is though, Jews are over represented in everything that requires a high level of math and verbal skill. Every intellectual movement since Jewish emancipation, that was not explicitly anti-Semitic, saw an over representation of Jews. Intellectual movements tend to attract intellectuals. They also tend to be located in urban areas, especially urban capitals in Europe, where Jews have always lived. Therefore, no one should be surprised that Jews are over represented in left-wing political and cultural movements.
The main argument of McDonald is that Judaism is a “group evolutionary strategy” engineered to promote Jewish interests at the expense of the host society. He argues that Judaism promoted eugenic practices favoring high intelligence, conscientiousness, and ethnocentrism, so Jews reached the late Middle Ages with these qualities in extraordinary surplus. Once Jews were allowed to participate in Western society, they were uniquely equipped to dominate intellectual movements, turning them to Jewish advantage.
While admitting that is perfectly plausible, it has always struck me as a bit like intelligent design. This unique tool kit for undermining Western society evolved for the purpose of undermining a Western society, that only came into existence recently. In fact, this group evolutionary strategy came pretty close to getting all European Jews killed half a century ago. Jewish dominance today is entirely due to America opening up the country to Eastern European Jews at the start of the last century. Apparently, Jews really plan ahead.
The bottom line, with regards to Kevin McDonald and the general idea of Jews being a hostile and subversive people, is that it could be true. It could also be true that Jews have followed the pattern of all minority populations and gravitated to the people in charge, seeing them as protectors. In America, that means Yankee Progressives, who have, in one form or another, dominated the country since Gettysburg. Jewish intelligence and high verbal dexterity means they have come to excel in left-wing movements.
As you can see, I’m well acquainted with the arguments and I’m not instinctively hostile to most of them. Like everyone with some knowledge of human evolution, I’m a bit skeptical of group evolutionary strategy. It could be a real thing or it could be nonsense. There was a time when people thought phrenology was a real thing. Within my lifetime smart people were sure you could be talked out of insanity. There have been a lot of nutty fads in human sciences, so skepticism is a prudent position until more data comes in.
Obviously, my resistance to antisemitism is not based in ignorance of the material or fear of the morality police. The real issue for me is that anti-Semites taste Jews in their sandwich. They are like a man who has only mastered how to use a hammer. He sees every problem as a nail. In the case of anti-Semites, everything is blamed on the Jews to the point of absurdity. It seems to me that in order to be an anti-Semite, one has to commit their life to it, like joining the priesthood or a religious cult. It must define one’s life.
While I bear no ill will to those of you who have become anti-Semites, I just don’t think it is the place for me. My group evolutionary strategy, as it were, is to enjoy the fullness of life, even the parts that are not so good. Obsessing over Jews all the time seems like a waste of time. If there comes a time when I have to obsess over Jews all the time, then I’ll do what I must, but for now, I have lots of other things that interest me. No hard feelings and I wish you luck in your business, as long as it does not interfere with my business.
Warmest Regards
Z
His view pretty much aligns with mine, although I have not read Kevin MacDonald. My issue is with neocons and zionazis and Israelis in general, not Jews per se. I have talked to a LOT of Israelis and while some are likeable in most ways I find them delusional almost to a man (or woman). They actually believe their bullshit…
I don’t even have much of a hard on for leftist Jews. Bernie Sanders seems like an amiable chap…
I was talking to my son long ago, discussing advertising and indirectly, capitalism; the hook is that their product will make you rich, smarter or better looking. Any endeavor that doesn’t have this promise is a waste of time, something to fill the idle hours. Keep busy.
any time a minority exists with a double standard for itself within the majority population, it will engender mistrust and divisiveness. in other words, when jewish, black, muslim etc. organizations self-promote, affiliate, discriminate and group identify in terms of rights and privileges, while criticizing any majority use of the same behaviors, crying foul is natural.
but as is now necessary in this Orwellian world, it is first useful to define “anti-semitism” before attempting to make a case against it. otherwise, it is just an inflammatory word used for manipulative purposes primarily, just like “(fill in the blank) phobe.” and that manipulation has been extremely prevalent and effective.
It is the place of counter-semitism to nail down words and terminology into solid works.
Those “intellectuals” with “high verbal IQs” tend to use those assets to continually change the meaning of words into something totally different using a variety of means.
For example, “regulate” used to mean to make regular, or the same, but has been twisted until it now means “to make rules upon”.
The one thing that has shown what pinning down words and terminology does to anger the European-style socialistic rootless coastal cosmipolitans is the “gunsplaining” phenomenon.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/reporters-complain-nra-gunsplaining-bullying-insisting-use-correct-terminology/
Another thing that pisses them off is correctly identifying them and calling them a Jew. Oh, and Tay-Sachs.
A great writeup, and an attitude which should be more common.
My Jewish nieces and nephews are too cute to hate and they think the world of my shanty Irish ass. I’m definitely anti Zionist-Kahzari Jew. Any Zionist. I hold Hagee-Zionists in even lower regard, on a par with Irish gypsies but I don’t have time to hate anyone.
Boomer.
Sorry, but seeing patterns of behavior in groups of people and pointing it out doesn’t make you an anti-semite. Besides, the vast majority of the folks who make such observations don’t have any problem with Arabs.
Being the hammer is appealing to many because it’s easy. This is why some say racism and antisemitism is rooted in ignorance. Check out any referenced website posted by anyone in support of jews being nails and they are chock full of errors and downright spooky, with no exceptions that I have seen. Yet, the emotionalism appeals to the gut because blanket summations are simple.
Should we remove Clarence Thomas from the Supreme Court because he’s black? Wouldn’t that be like…
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Z-man will surely take some heat for this letter, but anyone who is viscerally opposed to his positioning, check yourself. Are you feeling anger from your head, or your gut? Because it is hard to argue against instinct. Why? Because, more often than not, instinct is founded on fear. For that reason, like Z-man, no hard feelings and I wish you luck in your business, as long as it does not interfere with my business.
I seem to remember it being a jewish fellow that came to this site’s rescue when it was getting attacked a while back. ‘The man with no name’ helped admin out, big time. I have to agree with Zman on this one, and you. I think too many people spend far too much of their time focusing on this.
At first I was going to excuse this as the beta boy being young and naive. But, no, he’s just a stupid pissant trying to show off his two digit IQ.
You cannot make any kind of coherent analysis of the Jews in this society without talking about and studying their religion. You can get a start by taking a close look at the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. You know, the Jewish part of the Bible. I think even (or maybe especially) the Christians disregard much of what can be found in the Old Testament while professing to believe in it. Take a good look at the less popular books that talk about Jewish armies smiting their enemies, the non-jews, with God’s help because the Jews are God’s chosen people. WE are the non-jews. THEY are God’s chosen people. According to the religious texts they not only have a right, they have an obligation to conquer and/or control us, they’re just being more subtle about it than they were 5000 years ago. The Jews’ motivation BASED ON THEIR RELIGION is and always has been to run the world. Not for tens of years but for thousands of years. They’re nothing if not patient.
You can say that saying that makes me an anti-semite. I say it makes me a realist.
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Annie wants herself a strong ALPHA MAN to go kill her some NIGGERS and JEWS! If you are a realist, Annie, prove every stupid fucking thing you just wrote with documentation not subject to your bias, please.
Read the f*n bible. The whole Old Testament that was written BY Jews FOR Jews. Not the New Testament that was written by Christians for Christians that the Jews don’t believe in! Then get back to me on what the Old Testament tell the Jews.
Speak of da debil. Jew Filth Chuckie Schumer speaking at AIPAC says Annie is right:
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Schumer and Dems outdo Trump at AIPAC– there’s no peace because ‘Palestinians don’t believe in Torah’
Sen. Chuck Schumer speaking at AIPAC, on March 5, 2018.
That orgy of elite devotion to Israel that is the AIPAC policy conference has featured one prominent Democrat after another seeking to outflank the Trump administration in their expressions of love for Israel.
Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer took the prize by slinging mud at Palestinians and Arabs as the reason there is no end to the conflict. Schumer said the problem is that the Palestinians don’t believe in the Jewish Torah:
Now, let me tell you why – my view, why we don’t have peace. Because the fact of the matter is that too many Palestinians and too many Arabs do not want any Jewish state in the Middle East. The view of Palestinians is simple, the Europeans treated the Jews badly culminating in the Holocaust and they gave them our land as compensation.
Of course, we say it’s our land, the Torah says it, but they don’t believe in the Torah. So that’s the reason there is not peace. They invent other reasons, but they do not believe in a Jewish state and that is why we, in America, must stand strong with Israel through thick and thin…
In a speech laden with Hebrew, Schumer also said that Israeli settlements and land-grabs have nothing to do with the conflict, and threw in praise for the Trump administration’s decision to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.
Now, some say there are some who argue the settlements are the reason there’s not peace, but we all know what happened in Gaza, Israel voluntarily got rid of the settlements there, the Israeli soldiers dragged the settlers out of Netzarim, and three weeks later the Palestinians threw rockets into Sderot. It’s sure not the settlements that are the blockage to peace.
Some say it’s the borders. Oh, Israel wants different borders, but they forget during the negotiations in 2000, Ehud Barak was making huge territorial concessions that most Israelis didn’t like, it was Arafat who rejected the settlement. It’s not the borders neither. And it’s certainly not because we’ve moved the embassy to where it should belong in Yerushalayim. It’s not that either.
(“In which NY’s senior senator engages in hate speech of the worst kind in the worst of all arenas,” Scott Roth commented.)
Other Democrats praised the Trump administration, or said it wasn’t doing enough to support Israel.
This morning Delaware Senator Chris Coons hailed Ambassador Friedman and his “great team at the embassy.”
He also praised Trump’s U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley– but said she should be doing more against “anti-Israel bias” at the U.N.:
Our ambassador Nikki Haley has been a strong and capable and good leader. But we should be doing more.
She’s the ambassador who has said she wears heels in order to stomp out anti-Israel bias.
While New Jersey Senator Robert Menendez criticized the Trump administration for not fully implementing the sanctions against Iran that Congress has authorized. Menendez said war was on the horizon.
The security of the United States is strong when the security of Israel is strong… We know that Israel has always been surrounded by enemies. Today the stakes are even higher…. These growing threats demand that we do everything we can now to push back against Iran’s continued aggression.
We know that Israel would prefer to keep the sword of freedom sheathed… [But if war comes] We will stand on the side of our one true ally in the Middle East.
Coons (who is said to be on a par with Joseph Goebbels in his warmaking rhetoric) also issued declarations about a war with Iran being our fight:
I have not seen a security situation as immediately threatening as today… … Iran [is] increasingly and aggressively challenging Israel…
When Iran and Russia challenge Israel directly they are also challenging the United States.
House Democratic whip Steny Hoyer called Israel the “miracle in the Middle East” and all but trashed President Obama’s Iran deal in his comments.
that agreement clearly was not perfect. That agreement clearly should have dealt, in my opinion with the nonnuclear malign destabilizing activity that Iran precipitates. It also should have dealt with a permanent solution, not a temporary solution. So, I’m supportive, as [Republican Majority leader Kevin McCarthy] is, of us moving towards renegotiation, cooperating with our European partners –
Queens congresswoman Grace Meng, a Democrat, and Claire Shipman of ABC (who is married to Jay Carney, the former Obama spox) outdid one another to highlight the supposed threat to world peace from Iran:
Shipman: Of course, just a few weeks ago Iranian forces in Syrian sent a drone into Israel and set off an entire series of destabilizing events. Earlier today Admiral Stavridis said to me he thinks that Iran and the way we deal with it really has to be the premier foreign policy challenge that we have right now in the Middle East. How do you think the U.S. and Israel can work together to confront the Iranian threat… and to be sure Israel has the support it needs to deal with the threats?
Meng: Well, it’s a good question. It’s why I voted against the deal in the first place and I think many people in this room agree that we knew that this threat would become more and more serious. You can clap. The answer is very generally two-fold…
One is to work here in Congress in a bipartisan way to insure that Israel has the resources it needs to defend herself and that doesn’t just keep and make Israel safer, it makes all of us safer around the world.
Do these Democrats really think that bellicose stances are going to get young progressives to go to the polls for Democrats, or to support Israel?
How will young Jewish Dems feel when they see VP Mike Pence at AIPAC calling Donald Trump “the most pro-life president ever” — a faux pas that underlines the rightwing bona fides of supporting Israel.
Not one of the big Democrats addressing the conference could bring themselves to speak about the occupation or discrimination against Palestinians, issues that are souring young progressives on Israel.
Amy Klobuchar, the progressive senator from Minnesota, said there’s a crisis for Democrats in that trend, but she said nothing about Palestinians. She said the trick was to talk about the Holocaust to young people, because they don’t know that history.
Getting youth involved and seizing on some of those issues that Israel and that this community has long stood up for, whether it is taking on climate change, whether it is immigration reform, whether it is standing up for refugees, these are issues that the Jewish community has been uniquely active on, and I think those are issues that are appealing to young people, and ways of talking about and teaching people what happened with the Holocaust and what the Jewish community has experienced because so many of them don’t really know that history.
While Schumer said that young progressives don’t know the history of Israeli victimhood.
Too many of our younger generations don’t share the devotion to Israel that our generations have. That’s a problem. We have to face it and deal with it…
Too many of the younger Americans don’t know the history and as a result, they tend to say, both sides are to blame. Many Americans, younger Americans didn’t grow up knowing Israel was attacked time after time. They think Israel has always been strong. They do not realize that if Israel were weak, her enemies would immediately seek her destruction…
The unfairness springs from a deep well of bias that has always existed, unfortunately, against Eretz Yisrael. If only the younger generation knew more about this unfairness, I believe it would affect them powerfully. And there are two things we can do immediately that will help rectify this situation…
One of those things, per Schumer, is to attack the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, BDS, with legislation in Congress. Schumer said the BDS campaign is anti-Semitic. “Let us delegitimize the delegitimizers by letting the world know when there is a double-standard, whether they know it or not, they are actively participating in an anti-Semitic movement.”
I don’t think that tack is going to get young people back on board.
Chuck Schumer is a scumbag! Throw out the Ten Commandments!
Annie, you are fucking stupid.
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LOL! “Jesus” in the Old Testament? How many Jews do you suppose believe those interpretations?
Read Romans 11 dumbfuck and call me back when you get a fucking clue you stupid bitch.
Such a foul mouth McGregor, time and time again, not very Christian of you. WWJD?
Matthew 7:12 So always treat others as you would like them to treat you; that is the Law and the Prophets.
So you go back to the New Testament to try to prove something about Jews (who don’t read the New Testament). LOL. Just a hint – In Romans 11 Paul was talking to Christians as a Christian. Note that the Old Testament scripture that Paul quoted “I have spared for myself seven thousand men who have not bent the knee to Baal” backs up my statements about the Old Testament’s God on Jews. And Paul even admits that the Jews are Gods chosen people “they are still well loved”. So we have a conundrum here, even if a Jew were to read the New Testament he would see evidence that God loves him best!
You haven’t read much of the Old Testament, have you? Shame on you for not reading the words of your own God.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT YOU DUMB CUNT? JESUS THE RABBI IS TRYING TO SAVE YOU RIGHT NOW FROM THE ERROR OF YOUR WAYS THROUGH ME. YOUR STUPID RAMBLINGS HAVE TIED YOUR TINY BRAIN IN KNOTS. NOW READ FOR COMPREHENSION.
The whole reason for that chapter is to explain for Christians to have mercy on the joos because they have been BLINDED! Get it? How could you miss that? Is it because you are fucking stupid and this is why you hate the joos so much?
WWJD? REMEMBER IN DUMB CUNT 2 CHAPTER 5 AND VERSE 3 WHEN JESUS SAID? “At first I was going to excuse this as the beta boy being young and naive. But, no, he’s just a stupid pissant trying to show off his two digit IQ. ”
I LOVE THAT FUCKING VERSE. WARMS MY HEART EVERY TIME. TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE BLIND JEWS CONTROLLING THE WORLD BITCH.
There’s something oddly weird when talking about CHRISTianity and in the same breath calling a woman a stupid bitch and cunt.
Just my humble opinion.
Yikes… am glad I was too busy to see this early. Pastor? Do you have a daughter named Charlene? Because I sat by her at a holy roller church one time and she shared with me that her preacher Daddy crawled on top of her in the middle of the night and asked God to forgive him for what he was doing. So while she pretended to be asleep and prayed that God would kill him, he raped his own daughter. All of her teenage life.
And stood at the pulpit and berated women for being sexual and tempting the men.
So… daughter named Charlene?
Funny that the so-called Christians quoted the Jew portion of the bible. Matter of fack, that’s all they knew. They didn’t even know there was a Christian part of the bible.
Lee Chen
Your hot, Annie. I’ll give you that. Did Keyzer Suze remove your front teeth?
Annie.
You would be hard put to find a bigger Zionist Jew basher than me. However, the only market they haven’t cornered is the claim of being Gods Chosen which automatically comes with a Holy Writ to enslave and or eradicate inferior Sapien Gene pools.
Most Israelis are not even jews and my Jew inlaws make a distinction as well. Palastinians have more jewish genes than Israeli jews and Semite covers a broad population in the Middle East. I can’t read his mind but I think he is just trying to get the “JQ” debate out in an open forum for discussion. If he is then I say it’s about time. Not being allowed to discuss the “Black Question” allowed it to fester till now the hatred is so deep it will be most likely decided with their extermination.
At any rate we have right here on TBP many who see america as the chosen one which gives us the holy writ to enslave or exterminate willy nilly. Just sayin. In a few days my testing will be done and I will disappear back into the desert and you guys will forget all about what I think about it.
we missed you baggsie,stick around–
Hi Tampa. It’s just a health thing out in my desert hideaway, but no Cell coverage unless I drive up a hill 3 miles away. Can function without oxygen now so things are good. My bones ache, something is gonna happen soon.
You know, the Jewish part of the Bible. – Moran Annie
I’m surprised she didn’t say ‘those people’.
The bible is a text, it does not lean Jewish.
Here’s the thing, moran, you need to learn the ‘Jewish part of the bible’ in order to understand what the new testament changes. How can you appreciate mercy if you don’t know what law you broke? You would be like a snarky teen thinking you had it coming; no you didn’t. What you had coming was justice, something you weren’t going to like – roasting in eternal hellfire.
I’m so looking forward to more brilliant commentary from this moran.
She kinda reminds me of Beth. O Beth, where is thy sting?
Lee Chen
Learn to spell, MORON.
Your one to talk, you misspelled moran, Futzy.
Lee Chen
Fulton, Fulton, Fulton. What are we to do with you?
This is twice – that I’ve seen – you’ve tried to spring that trap. I told you then, and I’ll tell you again now: Lee Chen-EL Coyote-Full Retard is using the approved TBP variant of moran.
Sheesh.
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The Z-man’s strategy is not a viable strategy in dealing with the jewish problem.
“The truth is though, Jews are over represented in everything that requires a high level of math and verbal skill.
This is not a function of ability, but of nepotism and subversion – which is at the heart of the problem with them.
Oy vey! A hell of a goy, that Z Man.
Goy is the new nigger. They must be eliminated too. Kill them all.
Did you mean “slaughtered” instead of “eliminated”?
As in “slaughter the cattle”?
Ever check out the holiest Jewish days and the historical deeds that took place behind them, like Purim and half the others?
http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-symbolism-of-murder-in-jewish.html?m=1
I’m sure there’s room for another…
” The real issue for me is that anti-Semites taste Jews in their sandwich. ”
Seems to be a bit reductionist, eh? Probably a bit more nuanced than you portray in your either/or conclusion, but thanks for trying.
Yeah, I guess being anti-semitic, anti-asiatic, anti-indio, anti-negroid, anti-whatever else in my personal dealings makes me a bad person.
So be it.
Forcing me to associate with those I choose not is all right and good?
Forcing me to associate with those I choose not is all right and good?
Diversity + Proximity = Conflict
Always has, always will, even between ethnic groups of the same race.
The same people with the biggest brains and loudest voices that are actively importing diverse people from foreign cultures are ensuring the conflict will happen, with the end result planned to be white genocide.
Bosnia × Rwanda
I saw the after-effects of Bosnia as a “peace-keeper” and that was a fight between mostly white people, and most people have seen the photos of Rwanda.
There will be blood, as there is no will in this Judeo-Christian land to stop it, because the former are creating the problem and the latter are mostly cucks.
Kyle is the pastor of the Church of the Perpetual Assholes. What’s your point Kyle? I’m all ears.
What’s your beef?
Fuck I love it when new blood appears, all full of piss and vinegar!
You were that way too, Rdawg. Now your just a mangy mutt laying on the porch.
He is Chelsea (Jooiche princess) Handlers love child by her afrostud boyfriend. You can tell by the DNA markers in his vocabulary.
the current owners of the land Israel are not descendants of juda who is one of the ten sons of israel / jacob who is the son of issac who is the son of abraham .
the actual tribe of juda was destroyed / massacred / killed when the romans razed the temple after luring all of the tribe of juda into jerusalem to be slaughtered .
so juda tribe of did not exist after about 40ad
so
the problem is
the current crop
of
“jews” (alleged descendant of juda) are not semites , “jews” are Caucasian primarily descendants of the khazars from the area that is now ukraine .
so
that means that “jews” are in reality anti-semites because the “jews” are persecuting and oppressing their neighbors who are in fact
semite
how to define
ironic
Joos … such a teeny tiny minority …. yet with vast influence.
How is this possible?
ONLY WITH THE COOPERATION AND SUPPORT OF NON-JOOS …. especially white libtards. Those are the people who really deserve our wrath.
Maybe Pastor foul mouth is right. The Bible, including the New Testament, contains statements that are strongly pro-Jew. If you’re anti-semite apparently you’re anti-Bible. If you’re anti-Bible are you anti-Christian? So if you want to be pro-Bible pro-Christian then shouldn’t you be pro-Jew and let them walk all over you and kiss their feet, or just let them kill you, since they are God’s chosen ones as per the Bible and you are not?
It looks to me like Christians have three choices: 1) Admit that the Bible is 100% right and welcome the Jews as your ruling class who have the God given right of life and death over any non-Jew; 2) Admit that the Bible is flawed/incorrect in some areas and choose which parts you believe in; 3) Rethink the whole Christianity and Bible thing. Maybe it’s time for another major edit of the Bible, this time by/for the people rather than the pro-jew aristocracy.
I am Zionist. Watch Israel and learn.
you’re on the verge of sacrilege boy,watch it–
How about getting rid of the concept that the bible is the direct “word of God”, literal, and infallible and admit it was written by men and thus is flawed as men are flawed. Written by different writers that had different agendas.
Annie..
You and Hillary should think about getting sober. Reading the bible when you’re sloshed on Ripple then logging on here isn’t working well for you.
AMEN Brother Stucky…..
P.S. You were excluded from my preacher crack.
It is a species-wide version of the Hatfields and the McCoys.
Let’s be straight, the very best people are flawed. That’s just part of the human condition. It takes a lot of hard work and self discipline to keep your own house in order, to maintain a healthy marriage and to raise children honorably under the best of circumstances. No two people on this Earth agree on everything no matter how much they might have in common and how much love they may feel towards one another. Even in the best of homes with stable families and good fortunes there exists conflict. We learn how to deal with it one interaction at a time and if the goals are the same, if we are in harness so to speak, with similar values, shared dreams, a common understanding of our connection to each other and a healthy outlook towards the world outside, we can manage to make the world a better place in our limited sphere of influence.
Collectives, not so much. They drag along the entire baggage train of ancient hatreds with them and every interaction on the personal level is buttressed by these monstrous histories that can never be dispelled. Individuals can choose to participate or refrain from being a part of it, but when the collectives go at each other, there is no force on Earth that can stop them until either exhaustion or defeat does the job for us. Thus it has always been.
This argument is not one that will ever be resolved, not now, probably not ever. There is no length of time, no discussion to be had, nor argument to be made that will change the past. That history is to fraught with animosity, hatred, suspicion and grievances to ever be made right. Look at the tone expressed in the comments above, these are the precursors to bloodshed, not resolution. And as sad as it is to say it appears that both sides have been well rested and are gearing up for another round.
I have had a long, long time to think about this topic based on my own experience. I know what happens when you think that you can speak freely about something that is as fraught with baggage and preconditions as this is. I know what it can do to your reputation, your standing in the community, your ability to earn a living, to move on to other things in your life and leave the past where it belongs and it is not pleasant. This topic is the third rail of American politics for good reason and both sides have ample reason to suppress any outward signs of it’s very existence, let alone engage in a frank and candid discussion of what lies beneath.
Our best and only hope is to set the very best example that we can towards one another as individuals and hope that the collectives can and will mimic that tone. Clearly we cannot alter the perceptions of another nor change their hard set animosities and dilute their anger, but we can refrain from contributing to it. Some people think that such microscopic offerings are meaningless, but I think that they are the only thing that ever makes genuine change possible.
Nice synopsis that corresponds with the authors letter above. Best to let the cooler heads prevail.
Interesting that 4 or 5 different names all appear with the same avatar in this thread. EC, you might try clearing your cookies/browser cache first next time. Not sure that will work, but can’t hurt if you’re seriously trying to dopplegang.
Was Jesus Lutheran or Jewish?